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Great thread, everyone. I'm trying to avoid this thread as much as possible, though. While I know everyone's really being great with using spoiler tags, I've already found out that a lot of people seem to dislike AFfC and while that's not a spoiler per se, it does sort of suck to know that since I'm nearing the end of ASoS part 2 (my edition has ASoS broken up in 2 books). I'm a really slow reader and I dread the prospect of having to get through a big book and not liking it, just so I can start on ADwD. Anyway, I had a question about some events in ASoS I'm sure someone here can clear up for me. I'm pretty terrible at remembering stuff I've read (I usually forget book endings and stuff a day after I've read the book) and I tend to get quite confused every once in a while reading books in this series, especially when one character's chapters are 200+ pages apart. Usually leafing back helps, but not really in this case. So, if anyone feels like it, please clear up the below problem for me... ASoS question: I'm currently reading Samwell's chapter after Mance Rayder has been defeated by Stannis' army. Sam and Gilly have found their way back to Castle Black and met up with Jon who's returned with the Horn of Joramund. I haven't finished this chapter yet, so if there are important events following, please don't ruin those. What I was wondering was what happened when Sam met Bran, Jojen and Meera in the Nightfort (I think?) and he showed them the Black Gate. Why did the two parties split up at this point and why didn't Sam take Bran et al to Castle Black. Weren't they basically travelling towards the same destination? I remember Bran asking Sam not to tell anyone that he was, in fact, Bran Stark, but if Sam knew that both Bran and Jon were alive why didn't he reunite them? Or did these events at the Black Gate still take place while Jon was among the Wildlings and/or presumed dead by Sam? Any help would be great and apologies for the wall of text. tl;dr: Why didn't Bran, Jojen and Meera travel to Castle Black together with Sam and Gilly?
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| # ¿ Oct 8, 2011 19:39 |
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| # ¿ May 22, 2013 08:12 |
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It really does seem to be the case that Martin runs into words he likes and then suddenly starts using them a bunch of times within a couple of chapters. Like how at some point the word "leal" pops up a couple of times in ASoS.
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| # ¿ Oct 8, 2011 22:04 |
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DirtyRobot posted:Lots of authors do this. China Mieville I think even wrote about it and admitted to it. I wasn't trying to say this is something only Martin does, but to me it's just more noticeable in his case because it's not contained within a single book but a book within a series. I think it may also be more striking to me in this case because I have been reading all the books that are currently available in succession and for the first time. If I had to wait between books or actually read something else in between, it probably wouldn't have been as clear.
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| # ¿ Oct 9, 2011 09:02 |
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Montalvo posted:It's interesting to read these reactions/predictions having read all the books so far. Enjoy your reading! I've just started on AFfC and I agree that it's really interesting to read these, especially since I've read all the books until AFfC in a row (and it's been the only thing I've read since starting on AGoT). It's funny how quick your opinion of certain characters can change... Edit: I had another question. I seem to recall reading an interview with GRRM about the TV series and whether their would be scenes he wouldn't/couldn't watch. I think it was referring to ACoK and GRRM said the event "RW" was something he probably wouldn't watch. I can't find that specific interview anymore, so does anyone recall the interview and/or know what GRRM was referring to? The first thing that came to mind was something to do with Renly, but what would the W be? BjornOfBorg fucked around with this message at Oct 15, 2011 around 09:01 |
| # ¿ Oct 15, 2011 08:57 |
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lapse posted:The red wedding in book 3 Okay, I'm officially an idiot. I don't know how I did not get that.
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| # ¿ Oct 15, 2011 12:49 |
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Intel&Sebastian posted:
I agree with this. I felt that something not-so-very-pleasant was going to happen. That much was pretty clear from what happened prior, from the reaction of the Frey family and from Catelyn's insistence on getting bread and salt. But that they'd actually go so far as to kill Robb, Catelyn and most of Robb's bannermen (or whatever), I didn't expect.
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| # ¿ Oct 19, 2011 06:58 |
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Bonesnap posted:I went to my local art museum on Saturday and they happened to be featuring a samurai exhibit, with many examples of swords and armor. One of the suits of armor was made to look like bare, sagging flesh, complete with nipples, supposedly to give the image that the wearer is bare-chested, at least from a distance. I guess nipples on a breastplate aren't as useless as GRRM says That's awesome. Every time GRRM mentions nipples on armour, I have to think of Batman...
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| # ¿ Oct 24, 2011 21:27 |
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What the hell. I have no recollection of the above whatsoever. I really suck at reading books 
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| # ¿ Nov 1, 2011 13:44 |
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Chunk posted:Well if it makes you feel better it's never mentioned again. Yes, that really does make me feel better even though it would be neat to pick up on these things. Maybe with re-reading the books that will happen at some point. Also, I just read a bit in AFfC and there are also two kids called Pate, one being Tommen's whipping boy. Edit: And only after posting this do I realise I am still reading in AFfC so that might be the reason I didn't recall something that I haven't actually read yet... BjornOfBorg fucked around with this message at Nov 1, 2011 around 22:16 |
| # ¿ Nov 1, 2011 22:13 |
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Just finished reading AFfC last night. I was planning on not reading ADwD right away, but I'm already experiencing symptoms of withdrawal. I want to get ADwD as a paperback, though, so as to keep my ASoIaF collection consistent throughout. So, I guess I might actually wait for the paperback edition before reading it. Although, who cares when it'll never be finished anyway (hurrhurr). Or I could get it from the library...  Fake edit: I have just come to the realisation that all of this will only get exponentially worse when I eventually finish ADwD and then have to adjust to there not being anything new for the next decade. Also, it's funny how at the end of AFfC GRRM writes about people going "WHERE ARE X AND Y AND Z?!" and saying that they will be in ADwD, which should be out soon. Signed "GRRM - 2005". I didn't know that much time had passed in between because I only started reading the books after Game of Thrones ended on HBO. Oh, George... BjornOfBorg fucked around with this message at Nov 11, 2011 around 09:29 |
| # ¿ Nov 11, 2011 09:25 |
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Ugh! I just checked the website for Harper Voyager, whose paperback editions I have bought so far, and the paperback edition of ADwD won't be out until March 2012 and it will be split up into two parts again. I'm upset now.
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| # ¿ Nov 12, 2011 11:35 |
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I quite like the Iron Islands and I like reading about their mythology but I have to admit that Dorne hasn't really taken me in while reading AFfC. Too many new people, too much new scenery, etc.
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| # ¿ Nov 18, 2011 17:27 |
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Meltathon posted:I found the ending of AFFC hilarious when GRRM says "don't worry, the next book will be out in a year!" Haha, I posted the same thing. And keep in mind that it was in 2005 or whatever that he wrote that.
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| # ¿ Dec 13, 2011 20:52 |
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Conduit for Sale! posted:You know nothing, Jon Snow was actually one of the few GRRMism I actually liked. It was endearing. I liked that character and that part of the book(s) a lot. I agree. It wasn't annoying in the least but then I don't give half a groat about a lot of these repeated phrases.
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| # ¿ Dec 16, 2011 10:30 |
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Just pronounce it whatever way you want to pronounce it. For a large part your choices will be influenced by your native language anyway.
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| # ¿ Jan 4, 2012 08:32 |
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If you really want to you can start with ACoK pretty easily. It has been mentioned before, though, that there are some things that weren't explained in the series (yet) that will already be important in ACoK. But, being aware of that, I guess it's easy enough to read up on things that don't seem to connect when you start reading ACoK. I'm a pretty slow reader as well and I read AGoT after seeing the TV series. For me it was fine and I actually got through it rather quickly because I knew the plot point. Yes, at some points I felt like just moving to ACoK but for me, personally, it was worth reading AGoT and then moving on to ACoK. In a way, it's easier to become acquainted with GRRM's writing style by reading something where you already know more or less what'll happen.
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| # ¿ Jan 4, 2012 09:20 |
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I want to read ADwD but I cannot be arsed to buy the hardcover. Can't wait until March for the paperback (or was it May?) but that'll be split into 2 again
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| # ¿ Jan 10, 2012 08:35 |
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pakman posted:Try a local library or buy an e-reader version? E-reader might work but the only place I would actually be able to read it was on my computer (which sucks) or only my phone (which sucks worse). Getting it from the library still means it'd be a hardcover... I don't mind the cost of the hardcover; I just hate reading hardcovers.
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| # ¿ Jan 10, 2012 14:07 |
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Why is that? It's just a word... How can a word invoke such hatred in you?
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| # ¿ Jan 20, 2012 14:52 |
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Fleetwood posted:fiddle with the King's head You laugh at the abbreviation ACoK but you fail to find this hilarious? How does that work?
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| # ¿ Jan 30, 2012 07:33 |
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I preordered the paperback editions of ADwD, which should arrive somewhere next week. It'll come as two books, Pt. I: Dreams and Dust and Pt. II: After the Feast. The wait wasn't nearly as long as I originally thought it would be when I first found out about the delay between hardcover and paperback editions.
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Cornwind Evil posted:even if he had to make up a word like mummer or septor http://www.thefreedictionary.com/mummer  e: And it's septon
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| # ¿ Apr 20, 2012 09:10 |
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geeves posted:You are not wrong. I don't give a groat what you people say, I have never been bothered by Gurm's repetitions.
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| # ¿ Apr 20, 2012 19:14 |
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Never had a problem with nuncle, because it's close to dialectal Dutch or Flemish 'nonkel'. So there's even a linguistic equivalent of it in another actual language. Also, how is 'nunc' an unnatural sound when English also has words like 'funk' and 'trunk'?
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| # ¿ Apr 28, 2012 21:43 |
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It's used in earlier books already, though.
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| # ¿ Apr 28, 2012 22:00 |
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Just finished ADwD and it has a pretty interesting cliffhanger, as far as I'm concerned. Can't wait for the next books, if they'll ever get done.
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| # ¿ Jun 9, 2012 17:29 |
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geeves posted:Why risk anything with someone who is known as the Leech Lord? Maybe someone just misheard the word "liege"? Rumours have started on less likely scenarios.
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| # ¿ Jun 13, 2012 13:54 |
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Urdnot Fire posted:She sort of saw leeches being put on him. I wish I could double spoiler this, but it was a joke....
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| # ¿ Jun 13, 2012 14:02 |
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Cornwind Evil posted:My new thing is 'break/broke one's fast'. It's a clever play on breakfast, but eventually... It's not a clever play on breakfast, it's its etymological origin... It's not like GRRM is some word smith who thinks up all these things.
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| # ¿ Jun 20, 2012 06:49 |
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That would be a pretty awesome story line right there.
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