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Reo
Apr 11, 2003

That'll do, Carlos.
That'll do.




Haha, what a dick Ash was. Nice Finn song too.

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smashpro1
Mar 1, 2009

Shirley, these things happen in video games. We can't get hung up on real-world morality.


Baby Finn was -worthy.

Little Mac
Jan 3, 2006

Super Mario Brothers

No preview for next week?

Kwyndig
Sep 23, 2006

Heeeeeeey

I loved how Jake was all giant foot at the end there. That dick wizard Ash certainly had it coming.

soupcan58
Mar 13, 2008

You blew my mind, man!



Kwyndig posted:

I loved how Jake was all giant foot at the end there. That dick wizard Ash certainly had it coming.

I know it's probably gonna be a common comparison, but I thought instantly of Monty Python when I saw that. Maybe it's a Flying Circus reference?

TwoPair
Mar 28, 2010

Make the posts!
Make the posts!


My favorite part of the episode was Finn just standing in awe after Ash's reveal.

"Whaaaaaaaat?"

Kwyndig
Sep 23, 2006

Heeeeeeey

soupcan58 posted:

I know it's probably gonna be a common comparison, but I thought instantly of Monty Python when I saw that. Maybe it's a Flying Circus reference?

Considering how they did it, probably. But I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't either.

SynthOrange
May 6, 2007

I never arfed for MORT


Baby Finn.

Condiv
May 7, 2008

supernaturally
fabulous


I sold that teddy bear you love so much....... to a witch!

Dolash
Oct 23, 2008

Pickle: Inspected.


Oh my god that was such a great episode. Every time there's a Marceline episode I'm a little anxious but every time they pull it off beautifully. The scene where Finn found Marceline's dad eating her french fries and he whispers "Hey, don't eat those" was incredible delivery. The memory plan at the end was way more clever than I'd been expecting from Finn (when he'd said "then I go rescue Marceline!" I'd assumed he'd just bust in and try to carry her out. Is Finn... maturing?). And the kicking/giant foot? So perfect.

I never ever want Adventure Time to end.

axleblaze
Oct 18, 2006

Man, this is a boooring found footage movie.


I think my favorite little detail in the episode is just how Finn casually closed the door that contained the baby him singing. He didn't make a fuss, he didn't act embarrassed, I don't even think his expression changed. He just quickly closed the door.

lu_ducky
Nov 5, 2009

If it gets in your eyes
Just look into mine
Just look into dreams
and you'll be alright
I'll be alright


made this awhile back from Natasha's original baby fin sketches

AxeManiac
Nov 13, 2000

Always Drinking

Hey guys, I went to Comic Con and managed to get an interview with three of the voice actors from Adventure Time! Finn, Marceline and Bubblegum Princess! It was totally awesome, didn't expect actual on camera interviews, but each person was really nice and friendly.

http://shotgaming.com/?p=384

I'm working on the interview with the creator now, he was very funny and easy to talk with. Got some good stuff out of it and I got Finn to sign the toy they gave away at the show, the company didn't give him one and he had no clue where to get it, but wanted one for his sister. I was surprised they wouldn't give him on, that's insane.

Sockser
Jun 28, 2007

I'm uh, hacking into the mainframe!

Marceline is Vanessa Dufenschmirtz

CuddleChunks
Sep 18, 2004



Hahahah baby dance is the best dance.

ToastyPotato
Jun 23, 2005

CONVICTED OF DISPLAYING HIS PEANUTS IN PUBLIC

Sockser posted:

Marceline is Vanessa Dufenschmirtz

Princess Bubblegum was Starfire? OF COURSE. drat...

Lavender Philtrum
May 16, 2011


smashpro1 posted:

Baby Finn was -worthy.

Baby Finn was amazing. Also I love how he just slowly closes the door. I know in his head he's just hoping without hope that she didn't see anything.

AxeManiac
Nov 13, 2000

Always Drinking

ToastyPotato posted:

Princess Bubblegum was Starfire? OF COURSE. drat...

Hahah, we felt bad not knowing just how many characters they all did! The next video is uploading now, Pendleton talks about some scenes he couldn't get past standards and practices!

SynthOrange
May 6, 2007

I never arfed for MORT


Yeah, I was wondering how much stuff he's throwing at them with decoys within decoys, like adding scenes where Jake gets stabbed to death to distract them from other stuff.

SwissCM
Apr 23, 2003

Fight the system by not tipping waiters! Not by refusing to eat out!

AxeManiac posted:

Hahah, we felt bad not knowing just how many characters they all did! The next video is uploading now, Pendleton talks about some scenes he couldn't get past standards and practices!

I didn't expect you to be an Adventure Time fan, AxeManiac.

AxeManiac
Nov 13, 2000

Always Drinking

SwissCM posted:

I didn't expect you to be an Adventure Time fan, AxeManiac.

Well, I'm not that good of a fan, because we didn't know who was who.

CapCityGoofBall
Nov 24, 2007

*huff*
*HOOOORGH*
...
*huff*


But dammit, you tried!

The Moon Monster
Dec 30, 2005
THIS CUSTOM TITLE WILL COME IN HANDY WHILE LURKING


I'm kind of disappointed that Marceline's spirit animal isn't actually an armless bum.

CuddleChunks
Sep 18, 2004



AxeManiac posted:

Well, I'm not that good of a fan, because we didn't know who was who.

"Here we are with the cast of Action Time with Jim and Frank. I'm talking to the lady who plays Michelin on the show. What part of being a fifty foot fire-breathing toadbear is the best? Also, second part of the first question - have you ever seen Jim outside of his caterpillar costume?"

Now *that's* how to start an interview.

legsarerequired
Dec 31, 2007


(This post is rambly and has spoilers for the gender-swap clip and Memory of a Memory)

I'm going to go on a tangent that might not make sense to much of anyone, but I'd just like to see what people think.

One reason I think a lot of my geeky 20-something friends relate to Adventure Time is because it spends a lot of time playing on RPG-ish, shounen-ish, video game-ish tropes--the strong adventurer, his loyal buddy, a villain that kidnaps princesses, the cute good girl, the dangerous bad girl, etc. These are things we grew up with, and it's fun seeing the show play with them. Is everyone with me so far?

Building on that--the big thing that I think people responded to in Natasha Allegri's gender-swap concept artwork is how much it reminded me of the shoujo-type of video games and comics that I'd read while growing up. Keep in mind, I'm 23, and my Saturday morning cartoons had tons of anime and action-adventure and girl-power influences. Fiona's ruby sword would fit in perfectly in Sailor Moon, Kids' WB's Cardcaptors or the other Saturday morning magical girl cartoons that I watched growing up. And Marshall Lee and Prince Gumball fit into anime shoujo romance tropes themselves--Marshall Lee is the kind of mean bad boy (Darian from Sailor Moon, Lee of Cardcaptors), while Gumball is pretty much a glamorous straight-edge Prince Charming (Tuxedo Mask of Sailor Moon, and hell, drat near every one of the pre-seventies Disney princes). Ice Queen fits wonderfully into the "Evil Older Woman" role that you see in Disney's evil stepmothers and certain Sailor Moon episodes.

And I think the connection to these super shoujo, girly tropes really made a lot of my friends (male and female) who woke up with shoujo anime on Saturday mornings excited about the gender-swapped episode. It was really cool, because it just played on nostalgia from a different genre.

And I think that's part of why the people on this thread are responding less well to the SDCC clip than the actual concept art--the concept art was straight up shoujo girly cartoon tropes. And the thing about shoujo and the Western girl-oriented shows that I watched growing up was that *setting* was integral to that genre and type of story-telling--fashion, glamour, a focus on emotion and drama. Without that frilliness and saccharine-ness in the background to set off the nostalgia buttons, it doesn't register to older viewers. You still have the character designs, but without the genre's traditional setting, the actual animation and story just doesn't borrow much from those cartoons. Although "Oh no, super baddie is gonna crash our party!" was a pretty common episode plot now that I think about it...

Anyway, I do think that deviation from traditional shoujo settings is why older fans like me are so much less enthusiastic about the clips.

This occurred to me when I was thinking about how the latest episode of Adventure Time would work really well as a shoujo-influenced gender-swap episode. It just feels like a plot I've seen before, where a pure-hearted heroine has to learn to understand a bad boy's insecurities to save him from himself.

legsarerequired fucked around with this message at Jul 26, 2011 around 23:50

Lavender Philtrum
May 16, 2011


legsarerequired posted:

anime shoujo romance tropes a pure-hearted heroine has to learn to understand a bad boy's insecurities to save him from himself.

I didn't read most of your post after the first sentence or so but natasha allegri said the sword was in fact based on sailor moon, and the bunny hat too, I think.

But jeez, that post.

That's.. certainly a post.

Captain Matchbox
Sep 22, 2008

Emotional intensity!


Fuckin' hell man. The gender swap concept is fine on paper. It was always going to be strange/cool to hear the gender swapped voices.

It just that after seeing that clip it appears that some of the gender swapped characters seem to have been written entirely differently to their respective opposites.

You could argue that Finn and Jake are mainly driven by childhood innocence, among other things. But Fiona seems to feel like a different character, like a more grown up more level-headed teen girl with much less rowdy stupidness. I don't even know what to think of Cake.

I personally just expected that gender should be fairly interchangeable to characters within the concept of childhood.

It has nothing to do with people who didn't grow up watching shoujo girly anime girl power tropes shoujo shoujo shoujo tropey trope trope like you did.

But seriously, Sailor Moon and Card Captors? HAHA. Why would you even admit this? I grew up in an era where they marketed at kids like crazy, but at least it was cool poo poo like Ninja Turtles.

Good Citizen
Aug 12, 2008

Mew Mew Mew Mew
Mew Mew Mew


legsarerequired posted:

(This post is rambly and has spoilers for the gender-swap clip and Memory of a Memory)

I'm going to go on a tangent that might not make sense to much of anyone, but I'd just like to see what people think.

One reason I think a lot of my geeky 20-something friends relate to Adventure Time is because it spends a lot of time playing on RPG-ish, shounen-ish, video game-ish tropes--the strong adventurer, his loyal buddy, a villain that kidnaps princesses, the cute good girl, the dangerous bad girl, etc. These are things we grew up with, and it's fun seeing the show play with them. Is everyone with me so far?

Building on that--the big thing that I think people responded to in Natasha Allegri's gender-swap concept artwork is how much it reminded me of the shoujo-type of video games and comics that I'd read while growing up. Keep in mind, I'm 23, and my Saturday morning cartoons had tons of anime and action-adventure and girl-power influences. Fiona's ruby sword would fit in perfectly in Sailor Moon, Kids' WB's Cardcaptors or the other Saturday morning magical girl cartoons that I watched growing up. And Marshall Lee and Prince Gumball fit into anime shoujo romance tropes themselves--Marshall Lee is the kind of mean bad boy (Darian from Sailor Moon, Lee of Cardcaptors), while Gumball is pretty much a glamorous straight-edge Prince Charming (Tuxedo Mask of Sailor Moon, and hell, drat near every one of the pre-seventies Disney princes). Ice Queen fits wonderfully into the "Evil Older Woman" role that you see in Disney's evil stepmothers and certain Sailor Moon episodes.

And I think the connection to these super shoujo, girly tropes really made a lot of my friends (male and female) who woke up with shoujo anime on Saturday mornings excited about the gender-swapped episode. It was really cool, because it just played on nostalgia from a different genre.

And I think that's part of why the people on this thread are responding less well to the SDCC clip than the actual concept art--the concept art was straight up shoujo girly cartoon tropes. And the thing about shoujo and the Western girl-oriented shows that I watched growing up was that *setting* was integral to that genre and type of story-telling--fashion, glamour, a focus on emotion and drama. Without that frilliness and saccharine-ness in the background to set off the nostalgia buttons, it doesn't register to older viewers. You still have the character designs, but without the genre's traditional setting, the actual animation and story just doesn't borrow much from those cartoons. Although "Oh no, super baddie is gonna crash our party!" was a pretty common episode plot now that I think about it...

Anyway, I do think that deviation from traditional shoujo settings is why older fans like me are so much less enthusiastic about the clips.

This occurred to me when I was thinking about how the latest episode of Adventure Time would work really well as a shoujo-influenced gender-swap episode. It just feels like a plot I've seen before, where a pure-hearted heroine has to learn to understand a bad boy's insecurities to save him from himself.

Please tell me this is a copy/paste troll taken from the TVtropes forum or something.

axleblaze
Oct 18, 2006

Man, this is a boooring found footage movie.


Well, we made it over 80 pages without a post like that? That's something, right?

SevenSixTwoX39
Jun 28, 2009

Capitalism has triumphed all over the world, but this triumph is only the prelude to the triumph of labour over capital.

What is shoujo and what is it doing near my Adventure Time?

hypnotoad
Dec 16, 2007

But shakin' its all I know!

Amazing episode as usual. drat I love this show. It never ceases to amaze me how much awesomeness and plot they manage to fit into 11 minutes.

Fake Edit: guys seriously I think that guy's a troll. please let him be a troll.

Lavender Philtrum
May 16, 2011


hypnotoad posted:

Amazing episode as usual. drat I love this show. It never ceases to amaze me how much awesomeness and plot they manage to fit into 11 minutes.

Fake Edit: guys seriously I think that guy's a troll. please let him be a troll.

It's worth mentioning that she's a girl, so she isn't quite as weird and creepy as it would be if it was a guy sperging about sailor moon. It's still weird though.

Onion Head Cat
Jun 22, 2007

Lift your skinny fists like antennas to heaven;
lower your eyelids to die with the sun.


No, it is still just as weird. Please don't get your anime mixed up with our Adventure Time. Character archetypes are everywhere, not just in Sailor Moon or whatnot.

TwoPair
Mar 28, 2010

Make the posts!
Make the posts!


axleblaze posted:

Well, we made it over 80 pages without a post like that? That's something, right?

Nope, gotta make it to triple digits without a post like that for your thread to enter the ~SUPER GOLDMINE~.

Hatter106
Nov 25, 2006

bolshi fight za homosex

Goddamn this really is the best show. Marceline and Ash are like every college-dropout couple I know. Ash and his casual emotional abuse are great, I hope we see more of him.

It's been said over and over, but this show succeeds so well at appealing to completely different demographics without pandering to one or the other. So loving gratifying to see how well it's been received by both viewers and the network.

Uncle Wemus
Mar 4, 2004

want age 25-70 guy to come over and jo in my model train room.

Why do things feel less crazy and fast paced than before?

The Moon Monster
Dec 30, 2005
THIS CUSTOM TITLE WILL COME IN HANDY WHILE LURKING


Captain Matchbox posted:

You could argue that Finn and Jake are mainly driven by childhood innocence, among other things. But Fiona seems to feel like a different character, like a more grown up more level-headed teen girl with much less rowdy stupidness. I don't even know what to think of Cake.

Isn't Finn something like 12 or 13 years old? Thats an age where a lot of boys will have just started puberty but girls will have already been going through it for a while. It makes sense if you think about it that way.

Macaluso
Sep 23, 2005

I HATE THAT HEDGEHOG, BROTHER!


I think my favorite part of the latest episode was the child Marceline and the fries memory, just because we got to see the post-apocalypse at a much earlier time than is usually shown. I mean, the kid memory had like, highways still on fire and stuff. Also interesting to see Finn's childhood home.

I know the show is mostly silly, but there's some neat backstory and stuff that I like seeing and would like to see more of.

Quantum of Phallus
Dec 27, 2010


Finn whispering to Marceline's dad inside her memory was hilarious, great episode. Also forget Fiona, I want a baby Finn episode, that was great.

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Dmitri-9
Nov 30, 2004

LiKe A mOtHeR fUcKeR


legsarerequired posted:

And I think that's part of why the people on this thread are responding less well to the SDCC clip than the actual concept art--the concept art was straight up shoujo girly cartoon tropes. And the thing about shoujo and the Western girl-oriented shows that I watched growing up was that *setting* was integral to that genre and type of story-telling--fashion, glamour, a focus on emotion and drama. Without that frilliness and saccharine-ness in the background to set off the nostalgia buttons, it doesn't register to older viewers. You still have the character designs, but without the genre's traditional setting, the actual animation and story just doesn't borrow much from those cartoons. Although "Oh no, super baddie is gonna crash our party!" was a pretty common episode plot now that I think about it...

Anyway, I do think that deviation from traditional shoujo settings is why older fans like me are so much less enthusiastic about the clips.

This occurred to me when I was thinking about how the latest episode of Adventure Time would work really well as a shoujo-influenced gender-swap episode. It just feels like a plot I've seen before, where a pure-hearted heroine has to learn to understand a bad boy's insecurities to save him from himself.

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