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SpiderHyphenMan posted:Didn't the guy who made Chronologically Lost say that under no circumstances should it be watched by someone who hasn't seen the show before? Probably, but its barely useful to someone who has seen the show. It obscures character motivation in favour of plot.
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not barely useful but ok pal
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Sep 8, 2014 18:05
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ICHIBAHN posted:not barely useful but ok pal 
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Sep 8, 2014 18:26
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PriorMarcus posted:Probably, but its barely useful to someone who has seen the show. It obscures character motivation in favour of plot. It's really only for people who are intimately familiar with the show to the point where they are going to remember the character motivations regardless. I had seen the show the correct way about 4-5 times before ever watching Chronologically Lost. It's only a good experience if you're very very familiar with the show. Probably won't watch it this way again, but to say it is barely useful seems pretty bonkers. Also I just have to say I love that our first Sawyer scene is him holding the rope to nowhere.
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Sep 8, 2014 20:25
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I like the idea of watching it chronologically as a new viewer. It would be confusing but I can imagine that putting the pieces together would be part of the experience of watching, much like speculation and stuff was half the fun of the actual show. Plus the build-up to the plane crash felt fantastic.
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Sep 9, 2014 03:52
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Anyone going to LOST 2014 FanFest in Hawaii?
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I really, really wanted to and almost pulled the trigger on it but just couldn't swing both the flight and hotel costs, especially if I wanted to stay and visit beyond the 3 day event.
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Sep 9, 2014 19:33
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Season 4, episode 9: the part where Sawyer is yelling at everyone to stay inside, and they keep coming out and dying is hilarious. Reminded me of this old sketch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGJ9wuk_Yyw
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Dantu posted:Anyone going to LOST 2014 FanFest in Hawaii? If I'm going to Hawaii, its not to hang out with a bunch of greasy Lost fans.
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Sep 9, 2014 21:25
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On the flip side if it sucks you are still in Hawaii.
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Sep 11, 2014 17:57
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It's been 10 years today since the pilot aired. 
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Sep 22, 2014 22:21
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Doing another run through the series. Nikki and Paulo just showed up. 
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Sep 22, 2014 22:30
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HUGE SPACEKABLOOIE posted:Doing another run through the series. Nikki and Paulo just showed up. Nikki and Paulo were hilarious. I like Nikki's role in "the Glades" though. She's actually a really good actor.
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Sep 22, 2014 22:42
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Grantland weights in: http://grantland.com/hollywood-prospectus/lost-legacy-ten-year-anniversary-abc/
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Sep 24, 2014 17:41
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Dantu posted:Grantland weights in: I agree with a lot of this. The same TV execs that were failing to understand what made lost great and led to the terrible copycats are the same ones that misunderstood the backlash against the ending, and are now too scared to put a show like LOST on.
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Sep 24, 2014 21:56
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That's certainly a dude who doesn't know the first thing about television. 1. Characters First, Concept Second I don't recall Lost ever being promoted as the story of a struggling alcoholic finally accepting Jesus Christ as his lord and savior. Most of the ads were about the mysterious island and whether the castaways would get off said island. You know, the show's concept. 2. Embrace the Division of Labor I'm not even sure what point he's trying to make here. Nobody works alone in television, not even auteurs (  ) like Vince Gilligan. Dumbass doesn't even know how credits work.3. Don’t Self-Segregate AKA: Don't write nerd poo poo. *entire show is nerd poo poo* 4. Don’t Rush Don't rush. Take your time. Ease people into the metaplot. What, you were cancelled after three episodes? That means you should've gone even slower, numb nuts. You know why V got a second season? That's right, it didn't rush. 5. Never, Ever Stop Run that poo poo right into the ground. Flashbacks get boring? Add flashforwards. Sick of those? Add flashsideways. Season 7: flashupsidedowns. 6. Have Fun Everybody likes the fat guy. Add a fat guy to your show. Fat guys are funny.
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Sep 24, 2014 22:24
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Don't ever change, Irish Joe. 
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Yet again, I find myself wondering if Irish Joe actually enjoys any television at all. I know what you mean, dude, and it's just from the way you're phrasing. But, god drat.
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Irish Joe grasps at Irish straws to refute the first point by assuming marketing is typically controlled in any significant way by the showrunners. Yes the show focused on the Island a lot but its raison d'être was to be a fairly successful ensemble character study. In fact its focus on the characters near the end rather than every single bit of minutiae about the Island is what made up the brunt of the finale's derision, as this very article exemplifies.
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Irish Joe posted:I don't recall Lost ever being promoted as the story of a struggling alcoholic finally accepting Jesus Christ as his lord and savior. Most of the ads were about the mysterious island and whether the castaways would get off said island. You know, the show's concept. So you look to the marketing of a show to tell you what is important and what the show is supposed to be about? Seems strange to me. The great thing about Lost WAS that it had pretty good character drama. If that didn't exist then the show would not have been as huge as it was.
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ApexAftermath posted:Seems strange to me. The great thing about Lost WAS that it had pretty good character drama. If that didn't exist then the show would not have been as huge as it was. Why does it seem strange? Marketing is the only truly objective measure we have to gauge why people watch a show. When you say people watched Lost for the characters, you're making a speculative guess based upon your own feelings and opinions. But we can infer, from direct and incontrovertible evidence, that ABC believed promoting the show's mystery aspect was the best way to attract and retain viewers. Doesn't that say something? Lost was a big hit and obviously many factors contributed to its success, but I hardly think that, when you weigh the facts of how the show was presented and marketed to the public, you can claim the audience cared more about the characters' spiritual journeys than their journeys in and around the magic island.
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Irish Joe posted:Why does it seem strange? Marketing is the only truly objective measure we have to gauge why people watch a show. When you say people watched Lost for the characters, you're making a speculative guess based upon your own feelings and opinions. But we can infer, from direct and incontrovertible evidence, that ABC believed promoting the show's mystery aspect was the best way to attract and retain viewers. Doesn't that say something? Lost was a big hit and obviously many factors contributed to its success, but I hardly think that, when you weigh the facts of how the show was presented and marketed to the public, you can claim the audience cared more about the characters' spiritual journeys than their journeys in and around the magic island. Marketing is designed to attain NEW viewers. It's not aimed at people already watching cause they're, you know, already watching. So when you have a limited space and/or time to pitch something, you go with the flashy stuff. Get the butts in the seats with the OMG POLAR BEAR and WTF SMOKE MONSTER?? aspect of the show, which turned out to be a minor component of the show in comparison with the overwhelming majority of the program dedicated to the characters' struggles. People who stayed and watched weren't staying for the flashy stuff because that wasn't the meat. Also the Island itself was a character yadda yadda yadda
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Irish Joe posted:Why does it seem strange? Marketing is the only truly objective measure we have to gauge why people watch a show. When you say people watched Lost for the characters, you're making a speculative guess based upon your own feelings and opinions. But we can infer, from direct and incontrovertible evidence, that ABC believed promoting the show's mystery aspect was the best way to attract and retain viewers. Doesn't that say something? Lost was a big hit and obviously many factors contributed to its success, but I hardly think that, when you weigh the facts of how the show was presented and marketed to the public, you can claim the audience cared more about the characters' spiritual journeys than their journeys in and around the magic island. You need to step up your game.
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Irish Joe posted:Why does it seem strange? Marketing is the only truly objective measure we have to gauge why people watch a show. You are totally pants on fire.
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FrensaGeran posted:Marketing is designed to attain NEW viewers. It's not aimed at people already watching cause they're, you know, already watching. This is wrong on so many levels. Companies advertise for a number of reasons, including viewer retention or simply to remind viewers they still exist. I mean, look at this trailer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBnc1uoaHHU That's not a trailer for new viewers. A new viewer would see that commercial and be like, "who the gently caress cares?" That's a trailer for fans, non-fan viewers and lapsed viewers to remind them the new season is coming. And do you know what its about? That's right, the mystery.
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Irish Joe posted:Why does it seem strange? Marketing is the only truly objective measure we have to gauge why people watch a show. Do you even realize how lovely your posting has to be to make you the shittiest poster in a thread about Lost? It's true even four years later.
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Irish Joe posted:This is wrong on so many levels. Companies advertise for a number of reasons, including viewer retention or simply to remind viewers they still exist. I mean, look at this trailer
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:Okay now you're not even trying. No, he's right. I'm watching it for the first time and I remember those commercials. Never knew what it was about or cared that much. Those commercials were meant for the fans. But spiderhyphenman, there are idiots on this thread, but you're probably the biggest one simply because you're first response isn't to debate but automatically assume he's trolling and not even bother to explain your views.
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Ravane posted:No, he's right. I'm watching it for the first time and I remember those commercials. Never knew what it was about or cared that much. Those commercials were meant for the fans.
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:That commercial is pretty clearly about the characters. The one line of dialogue is "We have to go back!" That's character, not Island Mysteries. You can't give a poo poo about Jack wanting to go back to the Island if you don't give a poo poo about Jack. No, the point Irish Joe was making was that that commercial was for the fans, not to attract new viewers, you stupid dumbass.
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Irish Joe posted:This is wrong on so many levels. Companies advertise for a number of reasons, including viewer retention or simply to remind viewers they still exist. I mean, look at this trailer Ravane posted:You pugnacious son of a bitch, you really wanna go don'tcha?
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Also just because ABC knows how to hype you up about the new season or next episode of Lost doesn't mean you should take it as "THEY WILL DO EVERYTHING YOUR HEART DESIRES!". The show runners have absolutely no control over the marketing. They just made a show people loved. Apparently they strung Irish Joe along for 6 season on the strength of their "NEXT ON LOST!" teasers. What a sad state of affairs for you Joe. How betrayed you must feel.
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:That commercial is pretty clearly about the characters. The one line of dialogue is "We have to go back!" That's character, not Island Mysteries. You can't give a poo poo about Jack wanting to go back to the Island if you don't give a poo poo about Jack. "We have to go back." Did you ever question why they had to go back? It wasn't because Jack wanted to return to the island (in fact, he didn't want to, only reason he said that was because he had just lost his purpose in life and was confused by Locke's death). At that point, you knew that the island wanted them back, it was evident in season 4. What is the mystery? HOW THE gently caress ARE THEY GOING TO RETURN TO THE ISLAND SINCE IT GODDAMN TELEPORTED THROUGH GOD drat TIME!! It even fuckin says "Destiny Awaits". How much mystery do you need motherfucker? How the gently caress did you take that commercial being about the characters when only one guy says one goddamn sentence. You are the goddamn dumbest idiot that ever lived. You know Forrest Gump, he is smarter than you. Please stop posting in this thread because you are just making GBS threads it up here.
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:You can't give a poo poo about Jack wanting to go back to the Island if you don't give a poo poo about Jack. Jack doesn't use the term want. He says they "have" to go back. If you can't see how castaways being mysteriously drawn back to the island they were once trapped on might be interesting outside Jack's spiritual journey, I don't know what to say.
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I've said this before, but I am both Irish and named Joe, and you are loving ruining those things for me.
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And as MANY have said over the past decade- 99% of Lost's problems were solved by ignoring the marketing.
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Ravane posted:"We have to go back." Did you ever question why they had to go back? It wasn't because Jack wanted to return to the island (in fact, he didn't want to, only reason he said that was because he had just lost his purpose in life and was confused by Locke's death). At that point, you knew that the island wanted them back, it was evident in season 4. What is the mystery? HOW THE gently caress ARE THEY GOING TO RETURN TO THE ISLAND SINCE IT GODDAMN TELEPORTED THROUGH GOD drat TIME!! It even fuckin says "Destiny Awaits". How much mystery do you need motherfucker? How the gently caress did you take that commercial being about the characters when only one guy says one goddamn sentence. You are the goddamn dumbest idiot that ever lived. You know Forrest Gump, he is smarter than you. Please stop posting in this thread because you are just making GBS threads it up here. Goddamn. Have you even finished watching the show, you loving sperg? SpiderHyphenMan fucked around with this message at 03:40 on Sep 26, 2014 |
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Irish Joe posted:Jack doesn't use the term want. He says they "have" to go back. If you can't see how castaways being mysteriously drawn back to the island they were once trapped on might be interesting outside Jack's spiritual journey, I don't know what to say. Jack sure thinks they have to go back. The rest of them have to be convinced of it or they have events transpire that convince them(except Sayid who has to be forced). When you say "castaways being mysteriously drawn back to the island" I find that just a tad misleading. It was fairly clear if you watch the show why each of them ultimately decides to get on that plane. EDIT: Also, and I'm not 100% sure on this, but aren't they also under the impression that the people left behind are in danger unless they come back? That seems like a good reason to come back. Honorable for sure.
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ApexAftermath posted:EDIT: Also, and I'm not 100% sure on this, but aren't they also under the impression that the people left behind are in danger unless they come back? That seems like a good reason to come back. Honorable for sure. SpiderHyphenMan posted:Oh bullshit. When people talk about "Island Mystery" they never meant "Why are the characters drawn to this Island." They meant the Numbers and the four toed statue and the polar bears even though that had been explained. Season 6 was all about answering the question "Why are the characters on this island" so don't be an idiot and pretend that people who complain about how "THEY DIDN'T ANSWER ANY OF THE MYSTERIES" were talking about that. No I haven't, I'm only on season 5. Also, there are plenty of mysteries about this island, it's not just the numbers and the polar bears (which were clearly brought by the Dharma initiative - Mystery solved). In fact, the numbers and the polar bears are easily forgettable when you realize the bigger picture. The island is magical, it has its own mindset and plan of action. That's the mystery, figuring out what the hell the island wants. The island gives everyone a sense of purpose, fulfilling their innate need of being wanted. Sayid relives his days as a torturer because he believes that's the only thing he's good at. Locke is given a new obsession, the island and its will. Jack gets to live his life as a doctor, free from his father's grasp. Kate is no longer pursued, she can live without being judged for her actions. Sawyer gets to kill the man who inadvertently killed his parents, the same man whose death frees Locke from his father's grasp. Do you see the pattern here? Why are the characters drawn to the island? Because it gives them what they really want. That's the mystery, why the pattern exists in the first place. Why are they on the island, what is the island's goal? Is it a character drama? Absolutely. Is it marketed as one? Absolutely not. This show was marketed as "Ooh, the island is mysterious and magical." And it is a mysterious island, I'm guessing you just can't get over the fact that it's not a scientific mystery, but a magical one. Nobody means the numbers and bears. Maybe you, because you are an idiot.
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