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Rrail
Nov 26, 2003
Probation
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If they were at 110% manning and were unable to perform their duties as a result of being short people, they are undermanned.

Slippery posted:

I guess, but that's from like 2006 so I wonder what the latest info is (although I am sure SFS isn't overmanned, poor bastards)

I'm pretty sure SFS and Operations Intel generally lead the pack behind the special poo poo (SERE, PJ), that's at least what we were always told back in good ol' 2009 when I was getting out. However, 1N0 gets a like 80k bonus and SFS gets none to my knowledge.

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Slippery
May 16, 2004



Rrail posted:

If they were at 110% manning and were unable to perform their duties as a result of being short people, they are undermanned.

No, they are correctly manned, but if 110% manning was not enough, that would mean the standard is wrong and should be adjusted. The MX world tool used for changing manning levels is LCOM, I don't know what SFS uses.

Boo This Man
Mar 25, 2008



I've always been curious of what they test for in Blood and Urine at MEPS. Well, besides the STD and drug test.

Its Miller Time
Dec 4, 2004



What's the average size of a fighter wing? Specifically the 138th Fighter Wing based in Tulsa, OK.

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

tighten up tone down tuen thuen

Slippery posted:

Well, what WAS up?

Blood pressure, evidently.

millertime3250 posted:

What's the average size of a fighter wing? Specifically the 138th Fighter Wing based in Tulsa, OK.

People or airplanes?

The 138th is very non-standard. They're a fighter wing only because they have a fighter squadron assigned...only one. They have a weather flight, an engineering squadron, and some kind of space something-or-other.

The average fighter wing will be split into Groups. An operations group will include 3 or 4 fighter squadrons, an operations support squadron (basically admin), maybe a weather flight or some other random squadron-or-smaller unit. A maintenance group probably includes an aircraft maintenance squadron, maintenance operations squadron, and a maintenance squadron. A medical group (this depends if the fighter wing owns the base or if there's a dedicated Air Base Wing...the base owner will have a med group), which includes a couple of squadrons: medical ops, medical support, dental, etc. The mission support group includes squadrons like civil engineers security forces, contracting, force support, etc.

The 138th is not like that, and is much smaller than the average fighter wing.

Godholio fucked around with this message at Nov 17, 2010 around 21:20

Rrail
Nov 26, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 3781 days!


Slippery posted:

No, they are correctly manned, but if 110% manning was not enough, that would mean the standard is wrong and should be adjusted. The MX world tool used for changing manning levels is LCOM, I don't know what SFS uses.

You're pretty clearly using the technical term which is not what we are talking about. If something is broken but you label it as operating, it doesn't make it so.

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

tighten up tone down tuen thuen

Rrail posted:

If something is broken but you label it as operating, it doesn't make it so.

You're not gonna last long in this Air Force, buddy.

Rrail
Nov 26, 2003
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Godholio posted:

You're not gonna last long in this Air Force, buddy.

I didn't last long.

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

tighten up tone down tuen thuen

I think we've identified the reason.

Slippery
May 16, 2004



Godholio posted:

I think we've identified the reason.

Y'can't just go around saying WE NEED MORE MANNING unless you have numbers to back it up, and if you're 100+% I promise nobody is gonna listen. If the number is inaccurate due to change of mission or whatever the right thing to do is not say "it's wrong even though we are 100+% manned" the right thing is to get whatever team your AFSC has for this purpose, to come do a study and then the problem is fixed.

I have seen LCOM come in and adjust manning levels upwards several times, it is not hard or anything. If you are overmanned numbers-wise you have to change the numbers.

Rrail
Nov 26, 2003
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I mean, you say it is not hard but every single IN I have ever met constantly whines about manning and I have never once seen anything improve as a result.

3rdEyeDeuteranopia
Sep 12, 2007



You guys have reconstitution leave and really short tours. You aren't stretched that thin.

Slippery
May 16, 2004



3rdEyeDeuteranopia posted:

You guys have reconstitution leave and really short tours. You aren't stretched that thin.

Look, if you don't have reconstitution leave and your tours are too long, that's YOUR tough poo poo, YOU joined the Army. Leave us alone to complain about stuff we think is harsh

That said, there are no more 120 day rotations anymore, they are all going to 179. If that still makes you roll your eyes, well I don't give a poo poo

3rdEyeDeuteranopia
Sep 12, 2007



It's fine to complain but you shouldn't expect so much additional resources.

Slippery
May 16, 2004



3rdEyeDeuteranopia posted:

It's fine to complain but you shouldn't expect so much additional resources.

We're too busy giving our scarce resources to the Army. When was the last time some Army dudes showed up to help me, is what I want to know...

But no, seriously, if (let's say) a mission changes at Squadron X, it is possible that the manning will be increased. For maintenance every two years (I THINK) that LCOM (Logistics Composite Model, I think??) team comes out and studies your workload and number of people. They can add to your manning document such that you will be authorized more people.

I don't recall if it's every 2 years or if you have to request them or what, but anyway, point being that you can get more manpower authorizations if you get a new mission, or if it is determined that you are undermanned for the mission you have. We have a computer system that (among other things) tracks time spent on jobs so you can tell for example if your dudes are under or over utilized, etc, and so forth.

Slippery fucked around with this message at Nov 18, 2010 around 06:42

Rrail
Nov 26, 2003
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So a company sent me this in an e-mail after I applied for a position with their company. No other company has done ANYTHING like this, so I'm really concerned about signing what I am led to believe is a non-binding agreement but am not completely sure about. Anyone with some knowledge mind reading it and telling me if they are trying to dick me in some way? I see no language that would stop me from pursuing other jobs, but I want to be sure:

Again, he stated that this is mandatory to move on to the final steps of approval, but I don't want to gently caress myself, and since no other company is asking for this, I'm a little skeeved. I have no idea how Archimedes is as a company, which compounds my fears.

Rrail fucked around with this message at Dec 1, 2010 around 00:00

Busket_in_Posket
Feb 5, 2010



Rrail posted:

So a company sent me this in an e-mail after I applied for a position with their company....


If I may answer as a veteran of the corporate world:

Companies/corporations with a ridiculous amount of applicants and sweet-rear end jobs will generally offer something very similar to what you received. It's called a Contingent Offer, meaning that it's like Step 1 of the process - we're interested in you as long as you meet all these contingencies. Signing what you posted is not binding at all, as evidenced by the slippery-as-gently caress (Sorry, Slippery) language. "I confirm my intention to become employed" is a fancy way of saying, "Yes, I'm still seriously interested, please send me on to the next step of the process."

Add that to the mention of at-will employment, the warnings of working conditions and expectations, and all the other terms you have to meet to actually be employed, and the letter boils down to them just checking to make sure you weren't shotgunning your resume all over the place and you have actual interest in working for Archimedes. There is zero language in there barring you from applying to other jobs.

Rrail
Nov 26, 2003
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So it was to make sure I was still paying attention/not already working elsewhere, got it. Thanks a lot.

Edit: That provision also skeeves me out because it seems like a company could be like "Hey I know you're here to do white color intel poo poo but we need more convoy guards so mount up. What, not in your job description? I will fire you."

Rrail fucked around with this message at Nov 19, 2010 around 03:00

Busket_in_Posket
Feb 5, 2010



A little curious about your big red title now.

Boo This Man
Mar 25, 2008



millertime3250 posted:

What's the average size of a fighter wing? Specifically the 138th Fighter Wing based in Tulsa, OK.

Why hello there fellow Oklahoman. I'm in the process of trying to reenlist and might have to go to the Tulsa unit for drill. Plus I lives 2 hours from Tulsa.

Boo This Man fucked around with this message at Nov 18, 2010 around 19:09

Rrail
Nov 26, 2003
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Busket_in_Posket posted:

A little curious about your big red title now.

Someone in GBS non-sarcastically posted "All rich white people are bad people" and I stated that it was racist and was no different than saying "Black people are criminals". I guess telling people not to be racist makes you a racist somehow.

I would have already removed it but my debit card is on the other side of the house and I'm fat. I wish SA would go back to everyone bandwagoning on Libertarian instead of everyone band wagoning on Marxist.

Comradephate
Feb 28, 2009


I avoid GBS like the plague.

Liking rich white people literally makes you evil.

E: however, I did see one of the most (unintentionally) funny threads ever on this forum in GBS. The thread was about "special abilities" you have or whatever, and the OP went on to talk about how he could immediately estimate the dollar value of the contents of a shopping cart in a grocery store. The thread went on for at least a couple of pages before someone pointed out it was an entire thread dedicated to asperger's.

Comradephate fucked around with this message at Nov 18, 2010 around 19:46

Boo This Man
Mar 25, 2008



Rrail posted:


I would have already removed it but my debit card is on the other side of the house and I'm fat. I wish SA would go back to everyone bandwagoning on Libertarian instead of everyone band wagoning on Marxist.

Ain't no party like a Communist party. Well, not really.

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

tighten up tone down tuen thuen

Slippery posted:


But no, seriously, if (let's say) a mission changes at Squadron X, it is possible that the manning will be increased. For maintenance every two years (I THINK) that LCOM (Logistics Composite Model, I think??) team comes out and studies your workload and number of people. They can add to your manning document such that you will be authorized more people.

I know you operate in a perfect world where manning, funding, and/or equipment is improved to compensate for increases in ops tempo, but I can assure you this doesn't happen (at least, not always). There are more appropriate places we can discuss current ops, but our worldwide commitment is up and our manning is down.

ABM in particular has been undermanned since the 90s. Most of that time it's been "critically undermanned." I'm not sure if we're still critical, but we definitely don't have enough people/funding to meet our requirements. If you want specifics we can talk on SIPR I guess.

DRONES CURE HAJI
Jun 22, 2005

free rrail


I have 6 months left in til I ETS. I do not want to be promoted, as I don't think I would be a good NCO. My command thinks I would be, and they are stating that I have to be promoted. I know that under AR 600-8-19 I can decline consideration for the promotion board, however my 1SG has stated that if I decline promotion, she will have me demoted. Is this possible? I've read the AR, and all it states is that if the soldier declines promotion, he must be immediately counseled to find out the reason for the declination. Should I file an IG complaint, or just suck it up and deal with it?

StabbyRipStabStab
Nov 4, 2009

I got the internet going nuts.

Our Gay Apparel posted:

I have 6 months left in til I ETS. I do not want to be promoted, as I don't think I would be a good NCO. My command thinks I would be, and they are stating that I have to be promoted. I know that under AR 600-8-19 I can decline consideration for the promotion board, however my 1SG has stated that if I decline promotion, she will have me demoted. Is this possible? I've read the AR, and all it states is that if the soldier declines promotion, he must be immediately counseled to find out the reason for the declination. Should I file an IG complaint, or just suck it up and deal with it?

I'm pretty sure that they won't demote you, but why piss and moan about what will be a very short stint as an NCO? Why not just take it?

e: I know you stated your reason. I'm just saying that you should probably just take it.

Prop Wash
Jun 12, 2010
HAY GUYZ!! DON'T FORGET ABOUT ME!!!

Rrail posted:

If something is broken but you label it as operating, it doesn't make it so.

You say this as if maintenance personnel even know or care about the difference

Hell Diver
Feb 2, 2010

by Y Kant Ozma Post


You could always just gently caress up at the board. You know, stutter terribly, wet yourself, that kind of stuff.

mambo italiano
Apr 4, 2009


Hell Diver posted:

You could always just gently caress up at the board. You know, stutter terribly, wet yourself, that kind of stuff.

Knock very softly

LonsomeSon
Nov 22, 2009


Hell Diver posted:

You could always just gently caress up at the board. You know, stutter terribly, wet yourself, that kind of stuff.

Get flustered, fall back on the escalation of force order everyone has to recite before leaving the wire, and tell the battalion SGM that firing a warning shot is appropriate when dealing with children heckling your soldiers while out on patrol. (true story)

Rrail
Nov 26, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 3781 days!


Just cry.

Gatac
Apr 22, 2008

Fifty Cent's next biopic.


I'm doing some poking around in Google Maps near Fallujah for story research and saw what looked like a camp/planned settlement, about 22 kilometers south-southeast of the city center. I've been looking for a name for that thing all afternoon now but can't seem to find it. On this map at Global Security, it's identified as (my reading) Al Amiriyah, but that only gives me results for some city in Jordan. If you can't find it, it's a little south of where the Euphrates looks like a limp dick.

Can anybody give me a name for that camp, if it is a camp at all? If this is OPSEC, I understand, but I thought I'd ask.

EDIT: Ferris Town, as several tagged photos on Google Earth tell me. Gah, shoulda checked there first.

Gatac fucked around with this message at Nov 26, 2010 around 10:01

stubblyhead
Sep 13, 2007

That is treason, Johnny!

A friend of mine is a US Army doctor, currently stationed in Iraq. I'd like to send her a Christmas card (I am aware that it will likely not arrive until well after Christmas), but I don't know her APO address. I do know that she is part of the 3rd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division. Is this enough information to get a letter to her, and if so how should the address be formed?

vacation in kabul
Dec 6, 2009

by Y Kant Ozma Post


You'll need to get the APO zip code and then you'll be all set. I'll try to dig it up for you today.

Of course this is assuming she's with 3/4 and not attached somewhere else at the moment. I didn't think they were still here anyways.

Smoke Crack
Apr 6, 2009

A bitch.

stubblyhead posted:

A friend of mine is a US Army doctor, currently stationed in Iraq. I'd like to send her a Christmas card (I am aware that it will likely not arrive until well after Christmas), but I don't know her APO address. I do know that she is part of the 3rd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division. Is this enough information to get a letter to her, and if so how should the address be formed?

you could ask her?

stubblyhead
Sep 13, 2007

That is treason, Johnny!

Smoke Crack posted:

you could ask her?

I already did this, she has not replied. I presume she's pretty busy.

DEVILDOGOOORAH
Aug 2, 2010

~Animu fan~


If you address it as such

Rank, last/first
3BCT 4ID
APO AE xxxxx

and their mail clerks give a gently caress they might get it, or it might get RTS

if you know whereabouts she is http://usmilitary.about.com/cs/wars/a/iraqzipcodes.htm
might help, if those are any good anymore

The more specific you can be on the unit would help.

was a mail clerk for 2 years

I've seen letters with seriously hosed up address get to people, though maybe delayed, and I had a letter come across my desk that had been going from fob to fob for over 2 years without being delivered, before someone sent it to me at Fort Hood

edit: how's NTC vik?

DEVILDOGOOORAH fucked around with this message at Dec 14, 2010 around 23:18

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

tighten up tone down tuen thuen

Do not put rank on deployed mail.

DEVILDOGOOORAH
Aug 2, 2010

~Animu fan~


OK, makes sense but we never did that because our unit was SERIOUS ABOUT RANK

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3rdEyeDeuteranopia
Sep 12, 2007



Godholio posted:

Do not put rank on deployed mail.

Army does rank on mail.

You really want to just put SSG on it. Most SSGs are married but their wives are too busy with kids to actually put a real care package together or even read e-mails that are sent to them. This means most care packages sent to SSGs are full of poptarts. This greatly decreases the chance you will have your poo poo stolen on the way to you. If it has PFC or SPC on it then it will probably be electronics. Or spice. Those get jacked all the time.

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