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Christoff posted:It was pretty pointless. Usually it's a 50 minute slay fest and then about 10 minutes of technique. Well that does sound lovely. How the hell are you supposed to learn anything if you're already smoked? I've been doing combat sports for years and poo poo's hard and requires a ton of practice, what's the point of having it at all if it's going to be like this? Also did you have injuries happen much? If you are exhausted and you then have to still fight, accidents happen a lot. I guess what I'm asking is why everything in the US armed forces seems to be rear end-backwards no matter what it is?
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just the usual that's how they were taught and that's how it's always been. In "battle" you're going to be tired so migut as well learn that way? gently caress if I know. Like I said though over the past couple years there's been a huge shift to do more technique and less dumb poo poo. MAIS hold themselves at a high prestige a lot. The school is tough, I'll give them that. It's also pretty new. Not sure what the Army does but I know they do something similar On paper it looks good, yeah. Take a bunch of effective techniques from various martial arts. But again no one wants to do it because they know it'll mostly be a slay fest. And there's so many checks to get to the cool poo poo you never get to that point. These days everyone knows a little bit of jiu jitsu so it just turns into regular MMA poo poo which I'm fine with. Injuries are quite common, yeah. There's lots of very dangerous throws that we did. I remember doing hip tosses wearing only flaks on hard dirt because the pits were full. That poo poo sucked. When we were in the field training they set up a little pit, put rules in place, and we had some fun. Then 2 guys that didn't like eachother were rolling and one eye gouged the other and he lost vision in that eye permanently and got medical separated. In the end it's the admin, air wing, and supply dudes that get boners for it. Also the ones that ruin it. Grunts could give a gently caress less. Look at Krav Maga. It's some crap IDF dudes do for 2 weeks in training and little do they know there's a ton of schools in the US teaching suburban moms Nostalgia4Dogges fucked around with this message at 02:33 on Nov 26, 2014 |
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Christoff posted:When we were in the field training they set up a little pit, put rules in place, and we had some fun. Then 2 guys that didn't like eachother were rolling and one eye gouged the other and he lost vision in that eye permanently and got medical separated.  Wow. No further questions. I've always been very careful who I grapple with - hence very little injuries - and when you don't have that possibility and are stuck with assholes, it's a recipe for certain disaster.
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ManOfTheYear posted:I guess what I'm asking is why everything in the US armed forces seems to be rear end-backwards no matter what it is?
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Godholio posted:Circle jerks at every level with decision-making authority. Congress and the military-industrial complex jerking each other off, the industry and acquisitions personnel jerking each other off, generals jerking of Congress and the administration, and everybody blowing their loads on the faces of subordinates and taxpayers. The military is just one very long bukaki movie.
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Christoff posted:Not sure what the Army does but I know they do something similar Modern Army Combatives. It's even worse than the marine poo poo. It is, no poo poo, the manual for date rape. Otherwise it is utterly loving useless, with 90% of it you being completely unable to do with plates or really any gear at all on you. My PEBLO reckons that combatives is a massive source of medical chapters. It should surprise me that the army knows nothing about fighting, but it's just another one for the pile.
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You guys do belts? Lol
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Christoff posted:You guys do belts? Lol It was just levels (1-4) and certificates, no belts. I remember thinking level 1 certification was retarded even by army standards.
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not caring here posted:Modern Army Combatives. Can you elaborate a bit? What do you mean by "date rape"? Also are you telling me this  amazing promo vid is total bullshit? Looks like they are just doing bad MMA.
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If you wanted to pin a person down forcefully with the express purpose of sexually assaulting someone who is smaller and weaker than you, army combatives is your go to program. Also far too many mentions of "achieving the mount" and "maintaining dominance" for me to not get a boner. Edit: Hhahahahaha, love that video. Okay, so, for reference, those dickheads are doing level 3. In theory, they've been teaching other dudes what little they know as level 2 people. Level 1 is a dry humping mess. Level 2 is not much better, but it looks more like level 3. but with way more of the overly complicated grappling for very little effect poo poo. I just find the whole idea of almost exclusively using ground fighting for soldiers utterly loving stupid, as it asks for the enemy's buddy to come along and stomp your head in, and drag your dumb rear end away to where the next time someone sees you, you'll be on Al Jazeera getting your neck seperated after 6 months of being cornholed by various angry brown people. My experience with the ridiculous training which is 90% getting your balls smoked off because reasons is that after a 3 days of level 1 ridiculousness, I stand up and say "this is loving stupid", and I get kicked out of the class. Later on, I got my level 1 fudged so I could go to the level 2 class with the promise of "it's totally better". After 4 days of getting my balls smoked off, and being told for the loving millionth time that "oh, you can't do that" simply so their stupid, overly complicated, ineffective poo poo would kind of be good, I get kicked out again, this time by having them call my platoon sergeant to meet me at the front of the building as I arrive and to escort me away. It also offends me that these loving idiot instructors almost always have this stupid loving belief that combatives is loving flawless and is the greatest kung fu secret known to man. And when you ruin their poo poo on the mat, they come up with excuses like "oh, well that'd never work in combat". Bitch, you got ruined because my shin is across your throat, yet you want me to do loving "combat rolls" with the pretense that I can even bend my back when I got plates in? loving please. not caring here fucked around with this message at 05:32 on Nov 26, 2014 |
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I remember in the martial arts thread some guy was asking for help on finding a gym/style. I guess he ended up in some dudes gym who taught some form of super deadly secret Kung fu that he used to teachthe Army and it was part of their training regiment in the 90s but it was too deadly and therefore you can't possibly spare in it and they don't do it anymore
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How is the food in military? Is it good, nutritious and do people get enough of it? How much do you have to eat MREs? Won't they make you poo poo or stop your making GBS threads after a few meals? How do you deal with that?
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ManOfTheYear posted:How is the food in military? Is it good, nutritious and do people get enough of it? How much do you have to eat MREs? Won't they make you poo poo or stop your making GBS threads after a few meals? How do you deal with that? On base, it's like working anywhere with a cafeteria. It might be more convenient/cheaper to eat there but there's (usually) nothing stopping you from going to Subway or wherever. On deployment or in training, most people have access to dining facilities. So cafeteria food. In Afghanistan, I ate MREs and "tray rats" (huge serving MREs for groups of people) every day for 6+ months. My poops were fine. The inevitable week-long sickness that comes with traveling to new places and eating local food (entirely voluntarily) was the only time my poops were weird. edit: Whether or not MREs are "good" is entirely subjective. I ate Meatball Marinara almost exclusively on deployment. I'd probably still eat it now if I had the option. Victor Vermis fucked around with this message at 12:07 on Nov 26, 2014 |
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Vegetarian MRE is the worst "food" I've ever run across.
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In the rear there's a big push throughout the Military to make the quality of life better as far as barracks/dining facilities go. So a lot of places have nice new dining facilities with civilian workers (mostly handicap goodwill type folk) and the food is pretty good and all you can eat. Compared to having rear end in a top hat Military cooks who are miserable and God forbid you come up for seconds. Some places are pretty loving good. Hot wing line, pizza line, pannini line, salad bar, ice cream. pasta line, etc. All for lunch. Some MREs don't taste too terrible but they are loaded with trans fat and preservatives. Anytime you're in a field setting you're eating MREs. Hell if we had a day class doing some training they'd send us off with a box of MREs. Sometimes they'll get the lazy cooks to bring us out some food as a treat. It's cheaper to do the latter I'm pretty sure as MREs are expensive but it builds character or some poo poo to eat MREs
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On food chat, food on boats can range from anywhere to good to abysmal depending on the size of the kitchen, the imagination of the cooks and the motivation of the cooks. We had a kid who went from ET for FS and was one happy cook, took some pride in his job and cooked really well. Another kid in the same unit became a cook because of an enlistment bonus, had a "cook or die" tattoo but was inept and incompetent when it came to cooking. It’s still a miserable as hell job since you are going to serve the same people and even when you do your best there is always going to be some picky rear end in a top hat that is going to poo poo on your cooking abilities because he can only eat PB&J sandwiches and everything you cook is poo poo. Pooping was normal except for that one time where I ate undercooked chicken served on my galley. 
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Christoff posted:In the rear there's a big push throughout the Military to make the quality of life better as far as barracks/dining facilities go. So a lot of places have nice new dining facilities with civilian workers (mostly handicap goodwill type folk) and the food is pretty good and all you can eat. Woah, what the gently caress. Well, I'm glad it's happening somewhere. I've stopped in at 2 that were actually okay, but the rest ran the gamut from terrible to life threatening. 4 times in Korea I was able to poo poo through the eye of a needle at 4 and a half feet with the local DFAC being shut down for safety violations soon afterwards.
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You'd have your mind blown at some. It's fairly recent maybe 4-5 years now? One had soft serve ice cream all day and make your own Belgian waffle and I just couldn't believe it. This is USMC ones mostly. Navy is still generally poo poo and I remember the main one at my first command loving sucked. What you got was all you get and God forbid you ask for a 2nd hot dog since that's all they ever served. Unless you got there 10 minutes before closing. Not to mention the grumpy CS's. The main one at Great Lakes is really good though and had all those lines to choose from I ate at any Army one for a bit that didn't have a ton of options but was quite good (all civilian workers)
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ManOfTheYear posted:How is the food in military? Is it good, nutritious and do people get enough of it? How much do you have to eat MREs? Won't they make you poo poo or stop your making GBS threads after a few meals? How do you deal with that? USAF food is alright. The few times I ate at the chow hall wasn't like regrettable or anything. Generally meals prepared at a flight kitchen tend to be slightly better because they're for aircrew, which is God's true military.
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ManOfTheYear posted:How is the food in military? Is it good, nutritious and do people get enough of it? How much do you have to eat MREs? Won't they make you poo poo or stop your making GBS threads after a few meals? How do you deal with that? Deployed dfac at the big fob was better than stateside dfac. Dfacs rotated when I was in. Only one of five on post would be open for dinner during the week and during the whole day the weekends. Nobody ever knew which one was open. Not even staff duty. Had the food been good, I would have saved THOUSANDS on Chinese and pizza delivery in five years. Got out in April btw. Breakfast is good but it never changes. Ever.
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Christoff posted:In the rear there's a big push throughout the Military to make the quality of life better as far as barracks/dining facilities go. So a lot of places have nice new dining facilities with civilian workers (mostly handicap goodwill type folk) and the food is pretty good and all you can eat. Somehow this makes me feel good. Reading GiP has convinced me that US military is a miserable place for miserable people who have done a lot of wrong life choices, so the fact that even some of you guys at least get to eat well feels like a break for you guys. With the food chat, it feels extremely unlikely to me that you could eat MREs for 6+ months and still function normally, like not get a vitamin deficiency or something. I assume real food tastes like god's gift after that?
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You could survive off of MREs for 6 months, you would just be pooping on a negative scale and hate life.
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FAT SLAMPIG posted:You could survive off of MREs for 6 months, you would just be pooping on a negative scale and hate life. You'd poo poo enough bricks to rebuild the Berlin Wall.
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ManOfTheYear posted:With the food chat, it feels extremely unlikely to me that you could eat MREs for 6+ months and still function normally, like not get a vitamin deficiency or something. I assume real food tastes like god's gift after that?
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ManOfTheYear posted:Somehow this makes me feel good. Reading GiP has convinced me that US military is a miserable place for miserable people who have done a lot of wrong life choices, so the fact that even some of you guys at least get to eat well feels like a break for you guys. MREs/"Tray-Rats" aren't Snowpiercer protein bars. They're meals. I ate healthier in Afghanistan than I do now.
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Victor Vermis posted:MREs/"Tray-Rats" aren't Snowpiercer protein bars. They're meals. I ate healthier in Afghanistan than I do now. So now you're eating Snowpiercer protein bars? A lot of people do live with the basic frozen dinner/pizza/mcdonalds fare so I guess compared to that MREs are a bit better. A MRE chili con carne probably doesn't taste that much different from cafeteria chili con carne.
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Jesus gently caress stop defending MREs they are loving stupid
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Cole posted:Jesus gently caress stop defending MREs they are loving stupid I'd slit your throat for a HooahOohrah bar.
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Victor Vermis posted:I'd slit your throat for a HooahOohrah bar. I'd slit yours for a fresh bottle of H2hooah
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Cole posted:Jesus gently caress stop defending MREs they are loving stupid
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You're all gay.
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everyone is gay here
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EVA BRAUN BLOWJOBS posted:You're all gay. 
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Spicy Guacamole posted:You tell, 'em, Cole. First Strike rations are where it's at, HOOOAAHH We got some of those later on, and while the "sandwiches" were good, you couldn't really throw all the stuff into a bag and make a decent meal out of it. Towards the very end we got some weirdo meals shrink-wrapped to cardboard trays that had a can of grape juice and a little can of pringles in them. Good stuff, but not as filling as a MRE. edit: made-to-order burgers at Fallujah DFAC was the best deployment dining I ever experienced. We'd justify stops there whenever possible. Frozen mini-pizza midrats were the poo poo, too. Victor Vermis fucked around with this message at 02:52 on Nov 27, 2014 |
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Alright, thanks for the answers guys. The last question is about PT: for what I understand, PT in military is mostly running and lot of calisthenics. Is there too much/enough PT and if you were deployed into Afganistan or Iraq, did you feel you were fit enough for the duty? A while ago I asked people in the vet thread how many of them were injured and a lot of people told their knees were done for. Is PT a part of this (running on hard surfaces etc)?
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There's a lot of stupid exercises unrelated to anything. Running with lots of extra weight on hard surfaces will wreck knees pretty effectively, too. A quarter mile of loving lunges was a particularly effective squadron PT session we had. That was it. Warm up, lunges around the track, cool down. Do I feel that prepared me for anything? Nope. Same with the Crossfit WOD we did once every two months because the PT leader that day just wanted to his normal workout.
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ManOfTheYear posted:Alright, thanks for the answers guys. The last question is about PT: for what I understand, PT in military is mostly running and lot of calisthenics. Is there too much/enough PT and if you were deployed into Afganistan or Iraq, did you feel you were fit enough for the duty? A while ago I asked people in the vet thread how many of them were injured and a lot of people told their knees were done for. Is PT a part of this (running on hard surfaces etc)? Army PT is a loving tragedy. I mean, it's like someone got all the brand new sports theories from 1953, clumped them all together and made it so people could do it in formation to a cadence (even if it's supposed to be a slow move with a sustained hold), stir in a little homo eroticism and you've got possibly the most worthless physical training program ever seen. If a physical trainer came up with this for people he'd be loving fired and end up as a source of stupid gym memes. Stupid warm ups, ridiculously high rep low resistance exercises, and lots of stupid stress injuries because of it. You also train to time, not to any kind of standard. It's so bad that you can be out there for 90 minutes 5 times a week and people still fail the PT test, which has a frighteningly low standard to begin with. Holy gently caress I'm glad I'm out.
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Who the gently caress started bringing crossfit bullshit into the Military. As if PT wasn't bad enough. "Army SF and SEALs totally do this poo poo" And God gently caress any kind of formation run or similar bullshit. Yes everyone is the same height and has the exact same stride Ok who has the link to the million dollar Army study they did because of all the injuries that said formation runs should be done once every 6 months for camaraderie and esprit de corps and pretty much made it clear everything the Mil was doing for PT was wrong but they just disregarded the whole thing Nostalgia4Dogges fucked around with this message at 05:19 on Nov 27, 2014 |
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Christoff posted:Ok who has the link to the million dollar Army study they did because of all the injuries that said formation runs should be done once every 6 months for camaraderie and esprit de corps and pretty much made it clear everything the Mil was doing for PT was wrong but they just disregarded the whole thing Well there's the Why does the Army want me weak? article by Ryan Long, which is about how soldiers should lift. I believe it, considering how much heavy poo poo soldiers have to carry around. Probably not the article you wanted but this was apparently pretty relevant somewhat recently.
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Christoff posted:Ok who has the link to the million dollar Army study they did because of all the injuries that said formation runs should be done once every 6 months for camaraderie and esprit de corps and pretty much made it clear everything the Mil was doing for PT was wrong but they just disregarded the whole thing BAM! http://www.researchgate.net/publica...tematic_reviews That's the more recent one I think, the one that they did in '91. Basically saying, look, stop doing all this dumb poo poo, it's really bad for dudes. So then they went and made PRT which is basically all the wrong poo poo piled into one big mess. There was one back in the '70s where MEDCOM gave no fucks about offending anyone and called combat arms "harebrained" among other things, but no one in combat arms reads anything unless it's 670-1 because we're all gay. After this last one I think they realized no one gave a single solitary poo poo about looking after soldiers and didn't bother to do another.
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