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 I've been teasing this for awhile now, but it's time for a Hi Power megathread again. These are one of the most influential semi-auto pistols of all time. A strong, simple design in a good chambering and the first commercially successful implementation of the double-stack magazine makes this one of the most truly classic automatic pistols.  This thread will be a combined effort. We have a number of Hi Power enthusiasts and owners here, and they're all welcome to add their knowledge and experience here. I'd like to thank Uncle Caveman right away for reminding me to get this thread going again.  INCOMING WALL OF TEXT First in this thread, a short history lesson. The Hi Power design was started by John Moses Browning, one of the most prolific firearms designers of all time (1911, BAR, Auto-5, Model 1897 Shotgun, M1919 and M2, etc) and was finished after JMB's death by Dieudonne Saive, another all-star firearms designer known for the FN-49 and later, the FN-FAL. As Mr. Saive recalled it, the pistol's design was kick-started by a request from the French military to FN. It was delivered in the wake of WW1, and the French wanted a substantial improvement over their current issue revolvers. They reportedly requested a pistol chambered in 9mm Parabellum, with a 15 round magazine and an 8" barrel. This pistol would need to be fitted with a graduated sight (to 600m) and a detachable stock. It also had to weigh no more than 1Kg, and had to include a magazine disconnect safety because French people are scared of everything, starting with Germans and finishing with cheese that doesn't smell like a Ukrainian marathon runner's feet. Mr. Saive recalls that on receipt of the request, JMB proceeded to act like a grumpy old man, insisting that a 7 or 8 round single stack magazine was enough and those drat kids should get the hell off his lawn. The French insisted, and FN ordered DS to figure out a solution to the problem. After some experimentation, DS had the idea of the goddamn century and made a double-stack magazine. It was tested with a Browning Model 1903 chambered in 9mm Browning Long, which is similar in size to 9mm Parabellum but less potent. After some tweaking, the magazine loaded and unloaded easily and functioned well. DS gave the design to the FN directorate, who were impressed and gave the magazine to JMB, who took it with him to America :usa: to build a pistol around it. At this point, the story is told from the recollections of Val A. Browning (JMB's son). JMB originally designed two variants, one with a completely unlocked barrel which travelled horizontally, and one which locked to the slide in battery, and was unlocked by a cam on the bottom of the barrel engaging a transverse hardened pin in the frame. JMB was happy with the latter pistol's operation, as it replicated the function of a 1911 but without the link and pins (making the pistol cheaper to produce). Val reports that his dad took the pistols to Colt first, as they had the right and obligation to patent and produce any Browning designs within the United States and Central and South America. Colt Thanks to the French insistence on how lame the "breech block" was, JMB/FN produced an updated version with a spur hammer and weirdo safety below the hammer (called the Model of 1923). The French really dug it, and described it as "The most perfected of any pistol which has been presented to this Commission to date." The design chilled out for awhile, being awesome on its own. The French weren't in any hurry to choose a pistol (the Germans weren't getting too crazy yet) and JMB was working on his Superposed shotgun design. In 1926, God decided to give someone else a drat chance in firearms design and knocked him off. The entire world shed a tear and observed a one-day period of silence in his honour (probably not true). FN pulled their pants up soon afterwards though, and told DS that he had to keep working on the HP project. He made a lightened, lower capacity version of the Model of 1923 but otherwise there weren't any significant changes. In 1928 however, that changed. The 1911's patent protection period ran out, and FN decided that they could probably steal some pretty legit ideas from it. They ordered DS to combine the best parts of both designs, and he did. He dropped the last vestiges of the "breech bolt" system, and introduced a 1911-style takedown procedure. He also finally moved the safety to the place that God hath ordained (the rear of the frame). These changes resulted in the Model of 1928, the first pistol that outwardly resembles the modern Hi Power. It also has a straight grip frame much like a 1911, which is actually pretty drat handsome. In 1929, DS made further refinements to the design, which resulted in the modern curved grip frame and fixed barrel bushing and takedown procedure. But that was pretty much it. Then, the huge Concours de Pistolets was announced. The French announced that they would hold a massive pistol trial, open to all comers, with an entry deadline of 01 June 1933. DS designed a pretty nifty pistol in 7.65mm French Long that featured a removable lockplate containing a lot of small parts in a unit which reduced the risk of losing finicky little parts. FN also submitted the Model of 1928 as the obligatory PISTOL OF DESTINY. The course of fire at the Concours was 1000rds, 10 rounds to measure muzzle velocity, 10 to measure accuracy from a rest at 15m, and about 950 (the French are better with cheese than math) to test for reliability. Throughout the 950 rounds, there is no disassembly, cleaning, oiling or replacement of parts was allowed. Awesome. The results were announced in typical French fashion. First, the committee whined about how none of the pistols presented really met their requirements. But if they really really had to, they chose the French  design from MAS, which was most notable for being a blowback design more at home in 1900 than 1933. Then, they made their recommendations for future pistol designs. In every category, designs from the DS pistol and the Model of 1928 were specified.The French made out like bandits in the Concours. They got the best designs from throughout the world for basically free, and gave their domestic firearms designers a gigantic steel-toed boot in the nuts for being such retards. They held two more trials, in 1935 and 1936, and SURPRISE OF SURPRISES the shameless successful French design stole almost every goddamn design innovation from DS and JMB and implemented them in the SACM Mle 1935A. The French even had the Gaulle  to award the 1935A French patents. SACM subsequently sold the "rights" of the design to SIG Neuhausen, who made a slightly modified pistol in 9mm and marketed it as the P210 (Which is completely awesome).Despite this massive slap in the face, FN knew a good thing when they saw it. They encouraged DS to perfect his design of 1929, keeping the pistol's best features, and concluded with the Model of 1935, or Grande Puissance (Hi Power). The first purchaser of the greatest automatic pistol of all time was the Belgian government, who received 1,000 GP-35's on 23 May 1935. Subsequent contracts delivered pistols to dozens of countries. The Hi Power has the distinction of being one of the few pistols used by both sides in World War 2 (The British/Canadians and the Germans, among other countries - Finland and China). Since WW2, the pistol has been adopted by around 80 nations. It is still in use by Canada, Australia, Belgium and other nations. I could probably write a massive post about all these contracts and variants, but it would be excessive. I apologize to any internet masochists who I've disappointed. For those of you who are still with me, we're at the end of the "short" history lesson. Cyrano4747 probably has a furious boner, but I'm glad to see that the rest of you are still awake. I'll start off the rest of the article now. MY HI POWERS I personally own three Hi Powers. This is a little disappointing to me and I'm a little embarassed to admit it. But my future collecting goals include a lot of HP's. They're the centerpiece of my collection. First, my holy grail. This pistol is my most treasured, for both patriotic and collecting reasons. This is an Inglis Mk1*, made by John Inglis in Toronto, Ontario, Canada. These pistols were produced from May 1944 until Oct 1945, and numbered approximately 153,000 in total. Inglis initially made pistols for a Chinese contract, but eventually made them to supply the Canadian military. I actually carried one of these pistols when I was in Afghanistan. They're still the mainstay sidearm of the Canadian military.    Here's a detail shot of the serial number and proofs. The proof with crossed flags and D,C and P is the Dominion of Canada Proofmark. I probably don't need to describe it's significance. The very faint C with the arrow inside is the "C Broad Arrow". It was the Canadian military acceptance proofmark during WW2. This is the most significant thing about the pistol to me - this was a Canadian military pistol, produced in the same run as the pistol I carried overseas.  It's probably apparent already, but this pistol is essentially unfired. It's almost brand new. There's no peening of any of the metal, and the only wear marks appear to be from very limited handling, disassembly/reassembly and dry-firing.    Another indicator of its good condition, and an interesting piece of trivia about these pistols is that all Inglis pistols produced for domestic and export contracts were fitted with a decal (sticker).  The sticker says "Canada" in English, Chinese and Russian. The condition of these decals is usually a good indicator of the level of use of the pistol. A good decal makes a pistol particularly collectable. The second pistol I'll post here is my Finn Contract.   The Finnish military ordered 2,400 pistols from the Belgians early in WW2. 900 were delivered in February of 1940, with 1500 more delivered in March 1940. Information on these pistols is spotty due to the small contract. From what I can gather, there were just under 1400 pistols still extant in 1951. The Finns apparently sold off their remaining stocks in the 1980's when they consolidated and modernized their small arms. There are a few proofs on the pistol.  The most significant is obviously the "SA" in a box. This is the Finnish military acceptance stamp. The other proofs on the pistol are Belgian, and are normal for a contract pistol. There is also a "48" on the triggerguard. Because I can't find much about these pistols, I can't figure out what it means. Possibly a rack number? Or a unit designation?  As was popular at the time, the pistol was built with a tangent sight and was slotted for a stock to be attached at the base of the grip.  The pistols were apparently mainly issued to the Finnish Air Force, who loved them. They also reportedly saw some use with the infantry on the front lines, where they were best loved for their durability. And I'll gladly take a Finn's word on durability. Finally, I'll show off my shooter.   It's a Belgian-produced commercial pistol, built in 1969 if I recall correctly. I've had it fitted with a Cylinder & Slide extended safety and slide stop, a Novak wedge rear sight, and a Trijicon tritium front sight. I also had it reparked and put on some Kingwood grips, and removed the magazine disconnect safety   . I shoot it in IPSC/IDPA/3-gun/"Action shooting", and it's served me exceptionally well. I get made fun of sometimes, but the gun has never let me down in competition and in some cases, I've even beaten Open class shooters with $2,000 raceguns.That's all I've got for now. I'm looking forward to seeing contributions from our other enthusiasts and collectors here. There are a lot of nice pistols around. Maybe I'll add more later, but I'm fried from writing this. GET YOUR LEARN ON - BROWNING HI POWER DETAIL STRIP GUIDE (  Uncle Caveman)Uncle Caveman posted:Uncle Caveman the procrasinatiest Caveman presents... Uncle Caveman posted:Part 3: Frame Disassembly Uncle Caveman posted:Part 4: Frame Re-assembly HI POWER LEARNING THREAD BONUS SECTION - INSTALLING A NEW TRIGGER SPRING/HOW TO USE A CHISEL ON DELICATE FIREARM PARTS ( SadWhaleFamily)SadWhaleFamily posted:I installed the Cylinder & Spring trigger pull reduction spring kit on my FN Hi Power today, with the help of my roommate. For those wanting to do a similar thing for whatever reason, it's important you get help (or I guess pay a competent gunsmith if you want it done right). Pictorial essay ahoy: DrakeriderCa fucked around with this message at Jul 16, 2010 around 03:02 |
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so after we got the nut and pin in, we had to turn the strut around and re-compress from the other side, while I took pliers and bent the coil back in shape. Mad gunsmith skills woo
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Excellent writeup. Sucks that the French...well sucked. DrakeriderCa posted:The second pistol I'll post here is my Finn Contract. More pistols should come with sights like this. The HP is a double-stack 9mm, how does its grip width compare to the 1911? I plan to get an Argentinian HP to go with my Made-In-Brazil 1911.
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Sorry haters, it's true, great thread. BHP 4 LIFE. BROWNING + SAIVE = BRO GRABS FOR ETERNITY. Don't have a pic but I purchased one of the Argentinian FN-90s that I believe are still available on J&G. That's a lot of great pistol for your money folks. Still waiting on the rosewood grips, I'll take a pic when they come and are installed.
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QuarkMartial posted:Excellent writeup. Sucks that the French...well sucked. Surprisingly not much thicker. It is noticeable though compared to the 1911. What this thread needs is a step by step pictorial instruction of how to tell the French to suck it and remove the mag safety. The junk collector fucked around with this message at May 30, 2010 around 06:07 |
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I want one of these. Nay, I NEED one.
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I wish i had pictures of my own Inglish Mk I, its Canadian military as well..so no stock and fixed sights. I'd love to have that Finn one to go with my M39 and KP31. I loosely count my Arcus 98DA as a HP clone, though its more a successor. Still its a modern military pistol, only adopted about 8 years ago by the Bulgarian military. Its essentually an HP with 2 more rounds in the mag, a dA/SA trigger and a differently shaped slide. In fact the Arcus 98's 15 rd mags work good in my Mk I and it disassembles the same. I really don't know why the HP doesn't get more love. People go on for hours about the Luger, P-38, M1911, hell even the tokarev is getting some press; but most poeple don't like military HPs. some of the commercial ones do well but I've actually had people turn down anHP when they realised it was milspec.
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 Ground floor of what's sure to be a great thread! Also, that Finn HP is absolutely gorgeous. I'm digging that Inglis too. Apparently they still make washing machines, I saw one on sale here in California last week. To contribute, pics of my FN HP in 40 S&W:  A little info to go with the pics: From what I understand, the 40 S&W guns were built on a thicker, cast frame as opposed to the earlier guns being built on forged frames. This was done to ensure the gun would be able to stand up to the battering that the 40 S&W round generated. In addition to the thicker frame and heavier slide, the spring rates of both the mainspring and recoil spring were increased, as is evidenced by the greater force required to work the slide vs. the 9mm guns. The barrel also was built with 3 locking lugs instead of the 2 found in the 9mm version of the gun. Unfortunately, this means the 9mm barrels are not a direct drop in, meaning that in order to change calibers, special conversion barrels are needed. I'm probably gonna buy a .357 Sig conversion for the hell of it next paycheck. My particular pistol was built in 2003 according to the serial number. These guns are no longer imported by FN, which is a drat shame, as I love the black coating FN applied to most of their guns from the FN49 on. I'm currently looking for a 9mm FN marked gun from the same time period.
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The junk collector posted:What this thread needs is a step by step pictorial instruction of how to tell the French to suck it and remove the mag safety. I believe that there's a poster on TFR who has one done already. Also, I hereby apologize for my terrible photography. I haven't done the Finn justice. My pictures also aren't acting properly - I edited them on Photobucket, but they haven't followed suit in this thread. Hopefully other people can see them the way they're meant to be. Maybe it's my browser.
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Great thread.
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QuarkMartial posted:The HP is a double-stack 9mm, how does its grip width compare to the 1911? It's definitely noticeable, but it's one of the things that makes a believer out of people. The way people are, different hand sizes etc for all the people where a 1911 feels pretty good but a little bit on the too-slim of a grip profile, a BHP feels perfect. Too bad the Argentinians ship with these unbelievably thick Hogues. They are huge and ugly.
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quote:(Buy this pistol or you're a jerk) So, how much do you want for your Inglis Mk1 9MM?
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When I buy a pistol, the Hi-Power (and preferably an Inglis Hi-Power) will be the pistol I buy. No doubt. The Glock can wait.
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DrakeriderCa posted:The second pistol I'll post here is my Finn Contract. Every pistol should have tangent sights and a stock slot. I really want a Hi Power, but I will only buy one like this. Excellent write up.
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Nice to see I'm not the only guy with a Belgian manufactured HP that did some work to it... C&S trigger job (fun fact, C&S is located about 45 minutes from where I grew up), magazine disconnect safety removed, slight magwell bevel, C&S extended controls, Novak rear sight and C&S front sight. Yours a T series by any chance? Mine is. Actually, since you got yours reparked, I hope it wasn't a T-series, because that would be a travesty. Anyone who makes fun of you for shooting a BHP can go to hell. 
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slidebite: It's yours for $100.  iyaayas01 posted:C&S trigger job (fun fact, C&S is located about 45 minutes from where I grew up), magazine disconnect safety removed, slight magwell bevel, C&S extended controls, Novak rear sight and C&S front sight. That's super cool that you're near C&S. I wish I was near a reputable gunsmith who was good with HP's. If I was in the States, I'd have sent it down to them for a good hard once-over. Yes, it's a T-series. I feel bad, because the parts that still had good bluing were beautiful. But it was pretty worn, and I loooove park on HP's.
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DrakeriderCa posted:slidebite: It's yours for $100. Haha, I suppose it's forgivable if it was pretty worn (especially since you're in Canada and you got it parked, Inglis style.) And yeah, I remember doing some research about HPs a few years ago and C&S popped up...I did a bit of a double take when I saw they were located in Fremont.
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The junk collector posted:What this thread needs is a step by step pictorial instruction of how to tell the French to suck it and remove the mag safety. HOW TO REMOVE THAT GODDAMNED THING 1. Unload and field-strip the gun. Unload it again, then unload it after you unload it. If you have any time left over, consider unloading the gun once more. 2. Remove the grip panels and place the frame on two wooden blocks, with the right side facing up* and the trigger pin over the space in between. *(One end of the trigger pin is rounded, this is the end you want to hit to drive it out. I'm assuming all HPs have the pin set up this way)  3. Use a hammer & punch to drive out the trigger pin. This can require a good deal of force, so don't be afraid to smack that motherfucker. If it won't budge, try applying some penetrating oil and letting it sit for a day. 4. With the trigger pin removed, you can pull the trigger assembly out through the trigger guard. The mag disconnect pin is located at the rear of the trigger.  5. Drill a hole in a small block of wood; place the mag disconnect pin over the hole and drive it out. The disconnect & spring will pop out, so be careful. Place the now-useless appendage in the jar with your tonsils for sentimental reflection, or just throw that poo poo in the trash. (Note: Disconnect is not pictured since I removed it years ago and promptly threw that poo poo in the trash) Reassembling the trigger can be a bit trickier: 1. Set the cam post (the vertical thing that fits in the back of the trigger) aside, and insert the trigger in the frame through the trigger guard.  2. Slide the trigger back toward the grip as far as it will go - you should be able to see it poking out in the mag well:  3. Pull the long back end of the trigger return spring upwards as far as possble, but not so much as to bend it. Slip the cam post into position and press the spring back down. 4. Shift the trigger assembly back into position and hold it in place by sticking an appropriately-sized punch through the hole. Chuckle at the possible innuendo while you make sure everything moves as it should - the trigger should have a slight bit of resistance from the spring, the cam should move up & down easily. 5. Drive the trigger pin back into place (rounded end first) and then drive yourself to get a tasty milkshake. 6. Drink milkshake. Uncle Caveman fucked around with this message at May 30, 2010 around 13:19 |
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I remember flankers HP thread where he got his confiscated and probably melted down.
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Do all HPs have the magazine disconnect or is that a recent addition?
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This is the best I could do. P.S.: California 10-round mags fffffff 
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Eating the Pudding posted:Do all HPs have the magazine disconnect or is that a recent addition? Did you not read the OP? Specifically where he mentions it in the very first paragraph of the history lesson? If you can't make it through even the first paragraph of a wall of text like that, you're never going to survive the cyranoposting around here p.s. thread title: full of lies! I still need a HP for my collection 
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Here is my FN Hi Power chilling with its Israeli 9mm cousin. It's a commercially-produced HP from 1990, making it only slightly older than the Jericho. It was reparked after someone dragged it behind a truck or something, guessing by the gouges in the slide. It's a fun enough gun, but eventually I want to replace with a military Hi Power  EDIT: dammit why did I attach it as well as waffleimages it
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Some possibly useful HP info - FM High Powers are made in Argentina, using proper machinery originally set up by FN engineers - it's the real deal. FEG HPs, on the other hand, are clones - unlicensed ones. Even on the ones that are faithful to the original design, dimensions aren't entirely correct. (The frame a fractionally larger than a true HP, as can be seen when you start changing out grips.) Later iterations of the FEG version were externally HP, but some significant differences in internal parts were introduced, thus leaving the owner high and dry if he needed to replace a barrel, for example. Mine's an earlier FEG PJK 9HP (I think - it's in the trunk of the car and I'm too lazy to run out to check at this time), which is the clone-ier of the guns; I have seen some of the later versions, where they'd added DA/SA and hooked triggerguards and god knows what else. I occasionally see a Kareen on GunBroker - this is an Israeli-made HP clone, but I don't know much about it. KBI imported a lot of the FEG guns, and their Charles Daly division was eventually building them stateside; Old West Trader on GB has picked up a shitload of KBI/CD stocks after they went out of business, and have been selling CD HP frame/slide sets at fairly reasonable prices. (Blemished or errors in markings when originally made. Example: http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vi...?Item=169367040)(They may be out - none currently up.) I don't know how easy an HP build would be, however. Guess that ends my wall o' tex... Oh, wait. .22 conversion kits (y'all know I love this poo poo) are avaiable in at least two versions, the Ceiner model, and an Argentinian one that is currently running at $200 on GB (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vi...?Item=170661094), and which Miso Beno and (goon I forget the 'nym of) have actually had experience with. *Now* I'll shut up. For the moment...
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Ygolonac posted:Oh, wait. .22 conversion kits ... an Argentinian one that is currently running at $200 on GB (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vi...?Item=170661094), and which Miso Beno and (goon I forget the 'nym of) have actually had experience with. It's CrackyMcZap, who has knowledge of how to fix a particular problem with a part in it coming loose. It involves a bit of silver solder. Right now my sun-baked head doesn't quite remember all the details, but other than that little bit, I'm told it's a solid .22 shooter.
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rope kid posted:This is the best I could do. you know this is not a real picture, right? I wish I had a Hi Power
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DrakeriderCa posted:slidebite: It's yours for $100. Also, can you still buy brand new 9MM? I've seen .40 but not 9s.
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FERN GULLY FAN posted:you know this is not a real picture, right? 
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SadWhaleFamily posted:Here is my FN Hi Power chilling with its Israeli 9mm cousin. I hate to be a dick about this, but isn't the Jericho related to the CZ 75, not the Hi Power?
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Dogbrisket posted:I hate to be a dick about this, but isn't the Jericho related to the CZ 75, not the Hi Power? Yeah, it can draw a direct line from the Tanfoglio TZ-75, which in turn was a CZ-75-inspired design, but it's another double-stack 9mm with the Browning-style linkless barrel lock-up, so stfu t  That's also why I called it its cousin, and not, say, its brother. (Also I had no more recent, usable picture of the Hi Power, so stfu t ) EDIT: And now for something not-so-dickish and defensive sounding: cheapass night sights (and cheapass photo-takings)!  
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SadWhaleFamily posted:Yeah, it can draw a direct line from the Tanfoglio TZ-75, which in turn was a CZ-75-inspired design, but it's another double-stack 9mm with the Browning-style linkless barrel lock-up, so stfu t The most appropriate metaphor would be to call it a grandson. The CZ-75 is the son of the Hi Power, and the Jericho is the son of the CZ-75. I consider any pistol using the Browning-style linkless lockup to be a descendant of the HP.
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I really want one of the GP-35 competition models. 
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This is my Hi Power I got relatively recently. I love it to death. Unfortunately most of my mags are elsewhere. Flanker! 
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DrakeriderCa posted:I consider any pistol using the Browning-style linkless lockup to be a descendant of the HP. how do Glocks make you feel?
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FERN GULLY FAN posted:you know this is not a real picture, right? No man, here it is from a different angle! 
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^^^ - NNNNnnnnnnghghghghg I love Renaissance Hi Powers. I will have one someday.HotCanadianChick posted:how do Glocks make you feel? They're descendents of the design. Lots of innovations, but the main operating principle of their delayed blowback system is derived from the HP design.
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  Soon my pretty, you will be complete.
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mikerock posted:
Explain. Awesome.
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I thought about getting the Inglis from the local old guy's gun shop...he wanted 450 bucks a while back but I noticed he marked the price up a bit a few months ago from that. Its kinda beat up but it looks functional...and its beat up in a bad-rear end sort of way not a neglected sort of way.
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Coincidentally enough I have a FN Hi Power waiting for me at my FFL dealer. Quick question: What should I be paying for 13 round magazines for it? Some cursory searching on Midway and the like indicate 40-50 dollars for Browning brand mags which seems a little high. Are there any third party mags worth a drat?
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Swarthy_Foreskin posted:Are there any third party mags worth a drat?
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