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I always have a hard time following the continuity of what's going on, and yet, every comic is awesome, because there's enough there to make you feel like it was worth reading. Keep it up HB!
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| # ? Jul 30, 2012 02:11 |
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I'm moving to Sydney in a week, I'll see the 'cool comic, dude' and raise you a pint of Little Creatures if the opportunity arises.
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| # ? Jul 31, 2012 04:05 |
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This thread always just pops up and makes me happy.
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| # ? Jul 31, 2012 16:51 |
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CADPAT posted:This thread always just pops up and makes me happy. 
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| # ? Jul 31, 2012 22:51 |
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grover posted:I keep thinking it's an update and get all excited until I see it's 1 new post by someone who's not hellbastard and get disappointed again Funny how that works...
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| # ? Jul 31, 2012 23:13 |
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EightBit posted:Funny how that works... Damnit you bastards! You guys keep getting my hopes up
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| # ? Jul 31, 2012 23:22 |
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Cryptic Edge posted:Damnit you bastards! You guys keep getting my hopes up Derail about false hope begins now. Also you guys are assholes: 4 replies, no Hellbastard. Jerks.
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| # ? Aug 1, 2012 01:53 |
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Sole.Sushi posted:Derail about false hope begins now. I'm pretty sure I hate you now, just so you know.
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| # ? Aug 1, 2012 02:39 |
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Well, we have to generate enough hate to summon up HB's next comic. They work on a rage timer don't ya know?
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| # ? Aug 1, 2012 02:50 |
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RedMagus posted:Well, we have to generate enough hate to summon up HB's next comic. They work on a rage timer don't ya know? Sounds about right. Shame we're all a bunch of lazy, invisible jerks so we don't get much  going on.
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| # ? Aug 1, 2012 02:59 |
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Man I hope I never become one of those dicks bumping the Hellbastard thread with no update. wait
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| # ? Aug 1, 2012 04:23 |
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If you've got time to whine about updates you've got time to reread the series. I'd post a link but everyone needs to google it until it's the top result for "Hellbastard".
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| # ? Aug 1, 2012 05:37 |
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 Sorry for the delay in production. I had to take a week off, due to an injury. Then was really busy, I hate that my work don't realize drawing this comic is the only reason I turn up. (It's clearly not for the hovering-around-the-poverty-line pay). Also had busy week returning there, and that really sucks when 'choreographing' action sequences. K-Rad posted:I'm moving to Sydney in a week, I'll see the 'cool comic, dude' and raise you a pint of Little Creatures if the opportunity arises. Cool, see you around. grover posted:I keep thinking it's an update and get all excited until I see it's 1 new post by someone who's not hellbastard and get disappointed again I get disappointed when I come to update this thread, have to fish it out of page 3 and there's only one comment after the last update. I love the chatter. It's why I post here first. Reading people's crazy theories and interpretation also helps maintain a certain level of objectivity that I wouldn't get just posting it up. I'm often surprised at elements of continuity that people seem to miss or forget, but it being voiced helps me strive to clarify, as my knowing what's going on may not always be clearly be translated onto the page. I'm drawing a comic, but I'm telling the story like a movie and I've come to realize that my lack of 'meanwhile' tags has confused a few. tl;dr - keep talking about this comic, it helps the comic be gooderer. Dr. MonkeyThunder posted:If you've got time to whine about updates you've got time to reread the series. There's a band called Hellbastard who had split up when I first registered here, but have since got back together, which is awkward, but cool. The ticket is googlebumping 'Heinrich Von Bastard'. hellbastard fucked around with this message at Aug 6, 2012 around 20:37 |
| # ? Aug 6, 2012 09:23 |
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Last speech bubble has a typo. "relly"-->"really"
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| # ? Aug 6, 2012 19:35 |
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Derek Dominoe posted:Last speech bubble has a typo. "relly"-->"really" Cheers. Fixed. ...again (the first panel said "look forward two") Many, many interruptions.
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| # ? Aug 6, 2012 20:39 |
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"Look forward, two typos.", perhaps? Something I'm a bit confused on is what exactly the mystery woman is responding to. Presumably it is the whole 'make us tea' thing but, 'You what?!?' doesn't really logically connect. Seems like there's a missing word in there, making her say something like 'You want me to do what!?!?' or 'You said what?!?!', though that one could probably be reworked to be "What did you say?!?!" The pop up sword in the dress seems pretty handy for a female pirate. Looks like it's spring-release mechanism, possibly on a short delay, triggered by a switch or something.
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| # ? Aug 6, 2012 21:21 |
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I have to admit I'm a little confused at "You what?!?" The guy never refers to himself--while I get that he's saying she's helpless and she's all "oh no you di'nt" well, the "you" part just doesn't seem to fit. Not that you have to correct it, mind you, it just throws me off every time I read it. Also I love that she pulls swords out of what appears to be dimensional portals in her dress. Also that one guy appears to be looking for a panty shot as she jumps over them and that's just classic. e:fb?
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| # ? Aug 6, 2012 21:26 |
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Makes perfect sense to me, must be a regional thing. Hear it all the time in the UK, usually in the form "You loving what, mate?"
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| # ? Aug 6, 2012 22:13 |
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Made sense to me till you guys brought it up now I'm all cuntfuseled  .  here. Is she a ninja widow or a ninja maid? Either way nice update. Hoping your injury gave you some cool scars or something  .
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| # ? Aug 6, 2012 22:31 |
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"You what?!?" is an English phrase. They say it on Red Dwarf all the time. I'm surprised some of you have not heard it before.
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| # ? Aug 6, 2012 23:37 |
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Was pretty obvious from the context, but I can't say I've seen that phrase used that way before (American). Since they're British, it fits, though.
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| # ? Aug 7, 2012 00:04 |
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Ah, yes. That makes sense. I learned something new today!
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| # ? Aug 7, 2012 01:33 |
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Wet Bandit posted:Made sense to me till you guys brought it up now I'm all cuntfuseled Clearly a Ninja Widow Maid. But with those eyes, I'm guessing a touch of demon too. So... Demon Ninja Widow Maid? Demon Ninja Widow Maid Feminist? (Also, SALast Read means it's always on page one for me.  )
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| # ? Aug 7, 2012 04:01 |
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I'm thinking demon nanny. Love the comic hellbastard.
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| # ? Aug 7, 2012 04:12 |
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She's obviously a demon widow.
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| # ? Aug 7, 2012 04:58 |
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OK, I'd never do this if I suspected it was unwelcome. But it seems copyediting is happening up in here, and if we're going to copyedit, we should be thorough. The random selection of things to nitpick about always irks me ― go big or go home, there's little use in fixing one error and leaving five. So here.  I realize how obnoxious this could be, so if anyone complains ― especially you, HB ― I apologize and will never do it again.
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| # ? Aug 7, 2012 07:01 |
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Nothing wrong with 'afterwards', another English-ism.
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| # ? Aug 7, 2012 10:39 |
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Also I'm not sure if anyone read "I err..." as "I air..." Actually, that sounds pretty funny.
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| # ? Aug 7, 2012 15:42 |
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Leperflesh posted:OK, I'd never do this if I suspected it was unwelcome. But it seems copyediting is happening up in here, and if we're going to copyedit, we should be thorough. The random selection of things to nitpick about always irks me ― go big or go home, there's little use in fixing one error and leaving five.
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| # ? Aug 7, 2012 17:18 |
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hellbastard posted:There's a band called Hellbastard who had split up when I first registered here, but have since got back together, which is awkward, but cool. The ticket is googlebumping 'Heinrich Von Bastard'. There are too many ways to misspell Hienrick Van Bastard, and both 'Heinrich Von Bastard' and 'Hellbastard comic' already have you as the top result.
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| # ? Aug 7, 2012 18:06 |
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Leperflesh posted:OK, I'd never do this if I suspected it was unwelcome. But it seems copyediting is happening up in here, and if we're going to copyedit, we should be thorough. The random selection of things to nitpick about always irks me ― go big or go home, there's little use in fixing one error and leaving five. All help is good. But there is no auto-justification, I have to manually space the words so they fit the box. It's MSPaint. An extra or unusual space doesn't bother me as much as not spacing it out at all leaving huge chunks of yellow box that could have been uninterrupted picture. Good observations though; I should know better than to have left out that comma, I'm as surprised as you about the random capitalization of Crap, font perspective is actually a pretty good idea (although I worry it also could be mistaken for volume), "afterwards" is an English word (that means the same thing as afterward), I only have the one "-" key so please elaborate on the hyphen -v- en-dash debate, "Err" is more of a character personalization as he's stalling, and that last space looked better there than anywhere else. If I edit this thing again, especially as it's "gone to air" now, I may as well put in the original punch line that belongs at the end which was "I meant conceptually" but I thought it would confuse more than entertain. Sole.Sushi posted:Also I'm not sure if anyone read "I err..." as "I air..." That actually works for his accent. hellbastard fucked around with this message at Aug 7, 2012 around 20:34 |
| # ? Aug 7, 2012 20:31 |
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HB, your art has advanced by leaps and bounds over the years. What's your technique at this point? Have you invested in a Cintiq or something similar or are you still completely old school? I will admit that I wish your speech bubbles were as advanced as the art. Perhaps you could generate a library of them to easily past into the comic. Adding more detail to your bubbles and lettering will allow you to get emotion and humor across more effectively. For example, a poster above noted that using smaller lettering and bubbles for distant characters causes the reader to "hear" their voices at a distance. Likewise, bold or large lettering can add emphasis. I think you could take your comic to another level by advancing this aspect. Here is a brief lettering discussion I quickly googled that may help you get started. THat site has a number of tutorials, but they are mostly geared toward Illustrator, which you probably don't use. Anyway, I'll keep reading MSPaint text if that's the only way to get Carry on!
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| # ? Aug 7, 2012 21:41 |
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Thanks. I'm still using mouse in MS Paint, because I draw this at work. and the Tablet that Lapse In Judgement rather generously provided me would not go down well here. As this story started in MS Paint with a mouse I'd like to keep it that way for consistency, even though my style has evolved. I used to draw blindly with a fat brush shape then right click erase parts of the line to give it style but now I "pencil" out the story in light grey, and "ink" in black (both using the pencil tool), colour it in, then go back over the black lines with a pencil again to give it stylized line work and definition. [I was thinking that after this particular story I might attempt running two stories simultaneously, one drawn with tablet and one in Paint with mouse as I'll only be able to do the tablet drawn one outside work hours. This would also solve the problem of which I story I badly want to cover next as there's two I'm desperate to get on with... but see how I go] The speech bubble process is abhorrent. I write the text in word, as I think of what everyone should say, then past it on a yellow background, and [space/enter] everything to fit as neatly as possible into a square shape then draw squares around each bubble, paste them then construct speech triangles... it's time consuming, annoying, and nobody likes it. I should really do something about it. I just got used to doing it so I haven't really put thought into changing it until more recently. Also, I grew up on Mad Magazine, and Mort Drucker's movie satires are what influenced my style the most. Those comics always had square bubbles so I naturally went with that. Square bubbles, mathematically and more efficiently occupy as much space as they need to, whereas round ones can waste space, but sometimes I can see where it would work out better. I was thinking moving to photoshop for the speech text as I would have more freedom, especially working them in a different layer, and having speech bubble templates would be awesome. I'll check out that link. Thanks.
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| # ? Aug 7, 2012 22:39 |
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Above Our Own posted:You are a giant sperg and it does come off as obnoxious imo. I am a professional writer with years of experience performing copyediting, not a "giant sperg," but I am acutely aware of how obnoxious it can be in the context of casual social media such as a forum. Which is why I just do not do this sort of thing unless it is very, very clearly appropriate. That said, I won't do it in the thread again. hellbastard posted:All help is good. But there is no auto-justification, I have to manually space the words so they fit the box. It's MSPaint. An extra or unusual space doesn't bother me as much as not spacing it out at all leaving huge chunks of yellow box that could have been uninterrupted picture. Ah, I hadn't realized you were doing this manually. I will say that uneven spacing can cause the reader to notice the spacing. The usual goal when writing is to get the reader to not notice the writing itself – you want to instead communicate ideas and dialog and so forth directly – so anything that can break the reader's immersion should be avoided. (There are of course times when you want the reader to notice the writing - some forms of poetry, for example – but this probably isn't one of them.) quote:Good observations though; I should know better than to have left out that comma, I'm as surprised as you about the random capitalization of Crap, font perspective is actually a pretty good idea (although I worry it also could be mistaken for volume), "afterwards" is an English word (that means the same thing as afterward) "Afterwards" is in common usage, but it is a fairly recent corruption of "afterward." In the informal setting you are using, it's fine, of course: but possibly worth taking note of particularly when writing dialog intended to come from the mouth of someone who is not of the modern era. I did not otherwise comment on anachronisms, so I probably should have avoided mentioning this one, but its one that tends to stand out to me personally. quote:I only have the one "-" key so please elaborate on the hyphen -v- en-dash debate Many word processors will automatically replace the short hyphen with a longer dash when you use it with surrounding spaces in a sentence. Prior to electronic word processors, typists typically approximated the longer dash by using double-hyphens. If you use Word with the default autocorrect settings, try typing a sentence with a word or two, a space, a dash, another space, and then another word. As you type the second word, Word will replace your hyphen with a longer dash automatically (possibly it will not do this is you are using a monospaced font). A hyphen is quite short, and is appropriate for linking compound words together, such as "egg-beater," or for separating syllables when you emphasize them, or for breaking a word at the end of a line in justified text (seen most often in newspaper columns). The "en" dash is slightly longer (typographically it is as wide as the letter n), and the "em" dash is longer still (the width of the letter m). (There are a few more, including the "figure dash" and the "horizontal bar," but don't worry about them because they're rare and mostly unnecessary.) You can read all about them on wikipedia, of course! The relevant part is that the em dash "is also used to indicate that a sentence is unfinished because the speaker has been interrupted." The correct use of dashes is a very minor issue, really. Word processors are pretty smart about substituting the correct dash for various situations. Typography nerds (and professional editors) will notice when you do it wrong: few others will actually know, but almost everyone will intuitively understand when you do it correctly (because they're used to seeing it done correctly in printed works). This is one of those cases where doing it right may make things flow slightly smoother for many readers, even if they have no idea why. It's also slightly more professional. I don't know if that matters to you or not, given this is your webcomic thing you're doing mostly for fun. quote:"Err" is more of a character personalization as he's stalling Yeah, I'd use "er" instead of "err" because "err" is a word, but a hell of a lot of people don't seem to actually know that "err" is a word ("to err is human, to really gently caress things up requires a computer" is probably the most common cliche that uses it), so maybe most people won't stumble on it or even notice. It's another very minor nitpick that you are of course free to ignore. Actually that takes me to the most important point. If you submit work to a publisher of magazines or books, they usually have their copyeditor do a run and just make whatever changes they want to, and you have no option to reject them. However, in many other situations, an editor's job is not to overrule the author: rather, the editor is supposed to make suggestions, and it's up to the author to approve or reject them piecemeal. In that context, the editor should be as thorough and nitpicky as possible, marking every single instance where the author might possibly decide to make a change. The goal is not to be combative or to pick on the writer, but rather, to provide the writer with feedback and options. This may go a little bit beyond the traditional meaning of "copyedit," although perhaps not as far as the higher-level "substantive edit" (wherein an editor discusses your choices of content, organization, topic, and so forth). Many things will be still be straightforward, of course: misspellings, strictly incorrect punctuation or grammar, typos, that kind of thing. Few writers would reject the correction of an unintended spelling error. But a good editor also marks and comments on stylistic choices, places where phrasing seems awkward, repetition of adjectives, anachronisms, and more. In my experience, most writers find this form of commentary highly valuable, even if they wind up rejecting most of the suggestions. As a writer, it's certainly a form of editing that I have found very valuable; occasionally a good editor points out things about my own writing style that I had never noticed before. I wind up thinking about a stylistic decision and then, the next time I'm writing something similar, I can either use (deliberately) or avoid (deliberately) a style that previously I had used unconsciously. That means more tools in my toolbox, and that's always a great thing to have as a writer. But as I said before, the real reason I posted that image at all was because it's a little irritating to me to see someone "copyedit" and only catch or mention one error among several. This particular comic was mostly fine, of course, but I believe that random intermittent incomplete copyediting is not actually very helpful. If this thread is not about copyediting your work (and I really hope it isn't), then just leave it be... or at most, send a PM or something. Fixing a quarter of the errors on one page of a 100+ page comic is not making any significant improvement in the overall comic, but it is doing something many readers of casual forums threads will find obnoxious. Also yes, the capital G in my avatar text is wrong, but I didn't type that, someone in LP bought it for me and I felt it would be rude to complain. Leperflesh fucked around with this message at Aug 8, 2012 around 19:34 |
| # ? Aug 8, 2012 17:42 |
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I'm not a giant sperg but let me write 40 paragraphs detailing and defending the minutiae of every minor criticism I had on the dialogue in a comic about a floating skull from hell, complete with wikipedia references and an opening post about how my profession validates my opinion.
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| # ? Aug 8, 2012 17:46 |
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Sole.Sushi posted:Also I'm not sure if anyone read "I err..." as "I air..." How else would you pronounce it? Also, how do you pronounce 'error'?
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| # ? Aug 8, 2012 17:54 |
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Above Our Own posted:I'm not a giant sperg but let me write 40 paragraphs detailing and defending the minutiae of every minor criticism I had on the dialogue in a comic about a floating skull from hell, complete with wikipedia references and an opening post about how my profession validates my opinion. Hellbastard explicitly responded to me with questions, dude. He said "please elaborate." Should I just ignore him? mwdan posted:How else would you pronounce it? Also, how do you pronounce 'error'? "Err" rhymes with the second syllable of "hunter." "Error" rhymes with "terror." Leperflesh fucked around with this message at Aug 8, 2012 around 18:00 |
| # ? Aug 8, 2012 17:58 |
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Leperflesh posted:Hellbastard explicitly responded to me with questions, dude. He said "please elaborate." Should I just ignore him? Although your pronunciation is allowed I have never heard it used before. In the United States at least it's pronounced like "air", as in the first part of "error."
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| # ? Aug 8, 2012 18:11 |
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Leperflesh posted:"Err" rhymes with the second syllable of "hunter." "Error" rhymes with "terror." That should only apply when used as a voiced pause, like "um" or "uhh"; when you are using it in the context of making a mistake, it is pronounced like "air".
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| # ? Aug 8, 2012 18:15 |
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| # ? May 24, 2013 02:39 |
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Merriam-webster gives both. Dictionary.com gives both in the text, but the "listen" audio thingy only has mine. Wiktionary gives: quote:(UK) IPA: /eə/, /ɜː(ɹ)/ Which isn't very helpful unless you can read that poo poo, but the "Rymes" thing leads to both. I suspect it's such a rarely used word (in the US, anyway) that there's no correlation with regional accents. I'm from California, but lived in the UK for three years when I was a teenager, so I can't really draw conclusions based on my own preference.
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