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It's more of a hypothetical question, so yes, I suppose.
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In-state gifts are fine. When you do the 4473, if you're buying from a store as a gift, you are still the actual buyer. If I remember correctly, all interstate transfers, even gifts, must go through an FFL. Now, if you "give" ten Hi-Points to your boy JB over the weekend, then that's when ATF starts to worry.
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Can anyone recommend a good introductory text on ballistics? The ones I looked at on Amazon all seemed to have serious issues with them according to the comments: Understanding Firearms Ballistics by Rinker Ballistics: Theory and Design of Guns and Ammunition by Collins Ammo & Ballistics 4 [...] by Forker Modern Exterior Ballistics by McCoy seemed promising though. I've inherited a gun and ammo collection but I don't have a lot of knowledge in this area. Going to the math seemed to be the easiest way to condense nonsense.
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MrZodiac posted:Can anyone recommend a good introductory text on ballistics? The ones I looked at on Amazon all seemed to have serious issues with them according to the comments: I don't know dick about ballistics. But you should tell me what guns and ammo you inherited and then someone more learned than me can help you out with your question.
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MrZodiac posted:Can anyone recommend a good introductory text on ballistics? The ones I looked at on Amazon all seemed to have serious issues with them according to the comments: I'm not sure if his books/articles are still in print, but Ken Oehler pretty much invented the hobbyist chronograph and he seems to be pretty generally well respected.
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spankmeister posted:So if you were to move from another state and own guns that are not on the list, would you have to get rid of them? No it only applies for new pistols that are sold by gun dealers.But you are considered a personal firearms importer and need to register them(oh and leave your hi-cap mags). But there are ways around the law that would be legal. The most ridiculously expensive one would be if you wanted a 1911 you would need to do is make a mag so the pistol would only be a single shot and pin it then find a barrel to bring the OAL of the pistol to 10 1/2 inches making it a prototype pistol after it has gone through a FFL and DROS you could turn the pistol back to its original config. Also you could inherit immediate family member (grandfather,grandmother,father,mother).Also if you did manage to find someone selling a off list pistol you could do it as a PPT though a dealer.
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FirstPersonShitter posted:At the moment I'm mostly considering the 336 and the browning BLR. The browning BLR comes in .308 winchester so it could share ammunition with a bolt action, but I don't know if the BLR is built as well as the marlin. I've held and fired marlin rifles before and they're really well made and reliable and seem like they could last forever. I've never seen a BLR in real life but it looks like a more internally complex rifle so it might break more easily. BLRs are really awesome. If you are on a budget however there are a lot of great .308win lever guns you can buy. A Savage 99 will be the cheapest, if you look around you can find them for less then 300, and they are surprisingly awesome guns. Although they do have one of those "so ugly it's almost pretty" things going on. You find them in .300 savage all the time, which was the parent case of the .308, and was designed for the Savage 99. A Savage 99 in .308 is just fundamentally right. If you can get past how they look, the 99 wins out for price, simplicity of action, and durability. If you want to step it up a bit in cost, Winchester 88. They are everywhere around here. They are however supposed to be kind of fragile. I don't have any experience with them. If someone ever wants to sell me one in decent shape for $250 I will probably buy it, but frankly the couple I have looked over were less then impressive. BLRs are just awesome. They will cost you, bu they are worth it. They are pretty and hardy. If you want to step it up a notch for rarity, there is what I am currently trying to find for a price < surprise sex: a Sako Finnwolf. Sako just makes guns that I can't help but drool over, and this is one of them. They only chambered them in .308 and .243. They are rare, expensive, and gorgeous. That .308 Marlin is really something to avoid... The round may be just fine, but its a moon round, and it will never be anything more then a moon round.
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I'm not sure how anyone could call a model 99 ugly. They are great guns. BLRs are cool too. I have one in .30-06.
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Black Stormy posted:I'm not sure how anyone could call a model 99 ugly. They are great guns. BLRs are cool too. I have one in .30-06. They are a very distinct gun. I have heard them called ugly a number of times. But they really are great guns, and there are a lot of them out there. I found my 99 in .308 for $260, and am very happy with it.
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What's the general consensus on this red dot sight? http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduc...ctnumber=138696 Never heard much feedback on ADCO stuff, so I'm kinda curious.
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Eat This Glob posted:I don't know dick about ballistics. But you should tell me what guns and ammo you inherited and then someone more learned than me can help you out with your question. That's exactly my problem, I don't know enough to tell when someone is blowing smoke up my rear end. It's not a specific question, I'd just like to know more on this subject.
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ChlorineTrifluoride posted:BLRs are really awesome. If you are on a budget however there are a lot of great .308win lever guns you can buy. I live in england so there aren't all that many second hand lever guns around because lever guns never took off here the way they did in america. The only people who like them a lot here are cowboy action shooters, so all the second hand guns are period-correct guns in pistol calibers. It looks like I can get a BLR fairly cheap here though, cheaper than I could get a marlin 336. Thanks for the feedback on it, it's probably the gun I'll end up going for then. Its looks kind of like the bastard child of an auto-5 and a marlin, in a good way though.
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MrZodiac posted:That's exactly my problem, I don't know enough to tell when someone is blowing smoke up my rear end. It's not a specific question, I'd just like to know more on this subject. Just always assume this is the case. But really a simple breakdown is this: External Ballistics is pretty well understood and has a lot of provable science behind it. Internal Ballistics is still understood, but because there is not a perfect and repeatable way to measure chamber pressure it is still up to debate in some places. Terminal Ballistics is all about looking at bullets someone shot into some Jello and nodding wisely. Also stopping power and they all fall to hard ball.
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FirstPersonShitter posted:I live in england so there aren't all that many second hand lever guns around because lever guns never took off here the way they did in america. The only people who like them a lot here are cowboy action shooters, so all the second hand guns are period-correct guns in pistol calibers. It looks like I can get a BLR fairly cheap here though, cheaper than I could get a marlin 336. Thanks for the feedback on it, it's probably the gun I'll end up going for then. Its looks kind of like the bastard child of an auto-5 and a marlin, in a good way though. That does make sense. We have an over-abundance of lever actions here (heck, I turned down a .30-30 Marlin for $175 on Saturday) and the 99s are coming out our ears. They aren't really in vogue right now, so everyone has Grandpa's old lever action sitting in a closet. You might also see what you can do about a Sako Finnwolf. I have no idea what the market is for them over there but they are definitely worth a look along side a BLR. The only one I have actually held was in .243 but was simply gorgeous.
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Secret Ooze posted:Ive been watching the Tactical Carbine DVDs this weekend and had a question for you fellows, since I cant ask the It's tricky to do without shifting your grip, the OBJECTIVELY SUPERIOR AR ERGONOMICS notwithstanding. I noticed Costa and Haley kind of contorting their grips to snap the safeties back on in the videos.
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I don't really shift my grip per se, just loosen up my index finger a bit so I can get my thumb underneath the lever. Do that many people really have a problem with it? I'll take a quick video when I get home from work, but I can't imagine anyone really having issues with it.
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I have big hands, maybe thats the issue. Ill play with the safety a bit once I get home. Its not a HUGE issue, I was just curious if it was a case special to me.
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bunnielab posted:External Ballistics is pretty well understood and has a lot of provable science behind it. External ballistics is all I'm really interested in, a rough understanding of terminal ballistics is fine really. So for example if you pick up any copy of Guns and Ammo where they review a firearm, they'll push a few different brands of ammo through a gun then give you a nice table talking about grouping. A lot of my curiosity centers around why some bullets preform better (excluding shooter ability), and what are the physics reasons behind this. There's a gently caress ton of bullshit in the firearms industry from what I've seen: between forums, print media, gun shows and your favorite examples of tacticlol. It seems that this is the easiest way to cut through all that. So I guess my question now is, can someone recommend a good book on external ballistics and maybe one on terminal ballistics as well?
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MrZodiac posted:A lot of my curiosity centers around why some bullets preform better (excluding shooter ability), and what are the physics reasons behind this. Witchcraft mostly. It comes down to tiny differences between barrels, the pressure curve of the powder charge being used, the variation (or lack there of) in the bullets themselves, etc. If there was a simple answer then there would be many many fewer bullets on the market. I'm sorry I can't recommend a specific book. While gun magazines are mostly crap, Handloader, Rifle, and sometimes Shooting Times have decent technical articles. The Ken Waters books are also good, but they are more a collection of letters. to the best of my knowledge there is no one universally praised reference book.
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The Bullet's Flight by Mann was the canonical reference for external ballistics for quite some time, although a lot of modern readers will find its prose old-timey
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bunnielab posted:I'm sorry I can't recommend a specific book. While gun magazines are mostly crap, Handloader, Rifle, and sometimes Shooting Times have decent technical articles. The Ken Waters books are also good, but they are more a collection of letters. to the best of my knowledge there is no one universally praised reference book. I'm kinda surprised no one in DOD has a manual that's accepted, I'll poke around a bit more. I was expecting the Army to have something from WWII like 'Ballistics for Sargents'. Christ knows they had a manual for everything else it seems. Otto Skorzeny posted:The Bullet's Flight by Mann was the canonical reference for external ballistics for quite some time, although a lot of modern readers will find its prose old-timey Thanks!
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I have a few firearm related items that are not worth putting up a classified add for but could use a loving home. Any chance for a new pay it forward thread?
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pulphero posted:I have a few firearm related items that are not worth putting up a classified add for but could use a loving home. Any chance for a new pay it forward thread? http://forums.somethingawful.com/sh...hreadid=3249132
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well I feel silly
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It's cool, it was pretty far back.
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Is there any reason to NOT get either a Glock 21, Beretta 92fs, or CZ 75 as a first pistol with a budget of $500-ish? I assume these are all well-liked choices but I figured I'd drop y'all a line in case there is some major no-go issue with one of these.
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Thug Bonnet posted:Is there any reason to NOT get either a Glock 21, Beretta 92fs, or CZ 75 as a first pistol with a budget of $500-ish? I assume these are all well-liked choices but I figured I'd drop y'all a line in case there is some major no-go issue with one of these. You forgot to mention Glock 19. Nope, nothing wrong with that.
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If you know how to shoot already, no, any of those would be fine as long as you like the feel. If you're new to handguns, the default recommendation is to get a .22 to start.
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AntiTank posted:You forgot to mention Glock 19. No probs with the 19 but I have big hands so I feel like maybe the full-frame would be best? But I'll get my hands on both (all of them, actually) before I put money down. I like turtles posted:If you know how to shoot already, no, any of those would be fine as long as you like the feel. I'm not totally new, but I'm going to try to shoot all the choices and see what's what before-hand. Thanks guys!
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Thug Bonnet posted:No probs with the 19 but I have big hands so I feel like maybe the full-frame would be best? But I'll get my hands on both (all of them, actually) before I put money down. Any reason why you are going for the .45 over the 9mm?
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Fremry posted:Any reason why you are going for the .45 over the 9mm? Only because I have held a full-frame Glock and it feels good in my hand, and I figure the kick will be okay, but I'm totally open to the 9mm Glock also depending on how the 21 feels.
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The Glock 17 is a full-sized 9mm.
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thermobollocks posted:The Glock 17 is a full-sized 9mm. I know, I mean I think the kick on the 45 will be okay, but I'll check it out. I have nothing against the full-frame 9mm.
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The fullsize Glock 20/21 are a bit bigger than the 17/22 still. Despite TFR's well-intentioned harping to only shoot 9mm, you should shoot what feels best to you.
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I blue myself... I lent my father in law a Ruger Standard (Mk I) .22. He somehow hosed up the bluing in the two weeks he had it. There's a spot where something ate through. The spot is just above the safety and is about .25" high by .75" long. The thing doesn't have a ton of sentimentality for me nor did it cost me much money, but it is a bicentennial edition stamped "Made in the 200th year of American liberty." He offered to have it re-blued. So the question gents is, do I take him up on the offer or I just leave it? It's the second "newest" gun I have. I'm a history guy and a milsurper at heart and I know where I am when it comes to "history." I just don't know where this damned gun stands as far as that is concerned. I'm leaning towards just leaving it.
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Eat This Glob posted:I blue myself... Demand a second daughter.
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bunnielab posted:Demand a second daughter. He's got one. Three years younger than the current model, the barrel probably has better rifling, but the muzzle is a bit wonky.
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Well, "two is one and one is none" is how I believe the saying goes. Also it is just a MlkI so don't bother getting it re-blued, just think of this as something you can have on him when you eventually do something wrong. If he insists on making it right settle for a few bricks of decent .22lr.
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What is TFR's opinion of the Diamondback .380? I was a a local shop trying out Ruger LCPs and I was shown this pistol in addition to the LCP. It's basically a tiny Glock in 380 and shares the same dimensions. I am kinda suprised to have never heard of these.
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I'm having some trouble improving my offhand shooting, and I've identified a couple of things I'm doing wrong and can fix, but one thing I don't understand is with your support arm you're supposed to somehow rest it on your bone to take the strain off your muscle, but I have no idea what is supposed to rest on what. I can't find a stable position for it.
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