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infrared35
Jan 12, 2005



SirDrinksAlot posted:

Should be careful with Simple green on aluminum, it is safe to use on it if you completely wash it all away afterwards. I know they say it's safe on aluminum and aircraft, but at every unit I have ever been at we did not use simple green because it seemed to corrode the aircraft in hard to reach spots.

Yeah, I should have specified that any time I use Simple Green for cleaning guns, I flush the dickens out of the parts with clean water afterward, then hand-dry, and then usually bake at low temperature in the oven just to be sure.

And then I go back and lubricate/reassemble.

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Sjurygg
Nov 7, 2008



I like turtles posted:

Do not use food oils like olive or sesame, for one they'll gum up, and more importantly they'll go rancid and smell horrible.
I'm really not sure if there's any eco-friendly effective gun cleaner/oils out there.

Whale oil is an awesome lubricant for low-tolerance mechanic stuff. Your Singer will never sing as sweetly as it will with a few drops of Neptune's own love lube.

Chemystery
Sep 11, 2011

Maybe this world is another planet's hell...

There are many different "varieties" of silicone based oils/greases. This short blurb will attempt to address the critical facets and characteristics. For the record, I am a synthetic organic chemist by training with 5+ years of industry experience.

First and foremost, all of you should become familiar with the Sigma-Aldrich website. I will borrow from them:

Silicone Oil

Now, understand that there are differences amongst silicone oils. All you need to concern yourself with is the viscosity indexing. Silicone oil ranges from 20 cSt (25 °C) to 10000 cSt (25 °C). More viscosity translates to a thicker, less fluid oil.

A nice, albeit brief overview of siloxane vs. hydrocarbon oils can be found here

Hexanes can also be found on the Sigma-Aldrich website:

Hexanes (95% Anhydrous)

MSDS for Hexanes is a moot point. It is one of the safest solvents to use in the laboratory (considering health, environment, physical properties, etc.) Simply wearing neoprene gloves or nitrile gloves will provide adequate protection (I assume you have the good sense to wear gloves when cleaning your firearms...). Hexanes are biodegradable and the dirty rinsing (i.e. the collected gunk) can be dropped off at pep-boys etc for recycling.

A materials safety data sheet MSDS for hexanes is provided here

Only caveat with working with hexanes is the volatility. Don't use much. Don't have an open flame source nearby. Hexanes won't auto-ignite for a simple task such as cleaning a firearm. Either way, the autoignition point of hexanes would be a moot point: don't smoke or have an open flame, work in a well ventilated area and use hexane solvent sparingly.

Flikken
Oct 22, 2009

I say Old Chum, would you like to go 4 and 12 with me?


Ramivacation posted:

Hey guys. I was directed here from a thread in the CC board. I'll just repost what I asked there.

You should get a Flint/Wheel lock pistol and go to England and shoot at a castle FOR SCIENCE!


Edit: It would probably be dependent on the type of the stone, angle of impact, mass of the ball and the velocity.

Detective Thompson
Nov 9, 2007

Oh well looky what what we got ourselves over here.

widefault posted:

Safe should be when the lever is towards the back, and it should say "SUR" Fire is forwards, with "FEU"

The safety lever might function as a hold open, it does on the FN 1900 and the Bayard uses some of the design. It will not hold open after the last shot or on an empty magazine.

Lots of good stuff on those here, http://unblinkingeye.com/Guns/Bayard/bayard.html

Thanks for the info, buddy!

Mad Dragon
Feb 29, 2004



Sjurygg posted:

Whale oil is an awesome lubricant for low-tolerance mechanic stuff. Your Singer will never sing as sweetly as it will with a few drops of Neptune's own love lube.

Whale fact: Differential fluid used to have whale sperm in it to thicken it.

lilspooky
Mar 21, 2006


How exactly do I use "buckhorn" style sights?

Bogatyr
Jul 20, 2009


Frog Lube, Ballistol are "green" supposedly. The smell is a major plus, Frog Lube smells awesome. The Frog Lube works really nice in my G32C and pretty well in my Sig P220. My Springfield 1911 TRP seems indifferent to it so far. This is just judging my the smoothness of the slides compared to other lube. The TRP is tight no matter what I lube it with. I really need to put more ammo through that.

hardinge
Oct 1, 2011


lilspooky posted:

How exactly do I use "buckhorn" style sights?

There should be a small sight notch at the bottom of the U, the horns are I think just for show and helping you get centered.

lilspooky
Mar 21, 2006


Ah ha! Thanks hardinge, I was thinking those might the spot to put the bead but wasn't sure.

I like turtles
Aug 6, 2009

"Wouldn't want to see an angry turtle with a gun, would ya? "

Well...


Damnit, almost had a good hit at an estate sale put on by some landlords. Found a pile of holsters in the corner labeled "gun holders" and delicately mentioned "Say, I collect firearms, did you happen to find any handguns or rifles when you were clearing up?"
"No, we hauled about 7000lbs of paper out of here and found some pawn receipts for the guns, but we also found a CCW permit and gun cleaning stuff. Sorry"

They were still selling his massive collection of bisexual porn VHS tapes and a penis pump "vitality enhancer" kit, so it wasn't all for not which I passed on.

Smiling Jack
Dec 2, 2001


I like turtles posted:

so it wasn't all for not naught

Mad Dragon
Feb 29, 2004



for all insensitive porpoises

Smiling Jack
Dec 2, 2001


Irregardless of you're attempt at trolling, he should of used the right word, its' irritating.

Drav
Jul 23, 2002

Speed kills

Cmon guys don't loose you're cool

hardinge
Oct 1, 2011


You could of said that in a nicer way.

Propagandalf
Dec 6, 2008

itchy itchy itchy itchy

Wierdos.

thermobollocks
Jul 5, 2009

GET A DILLON

I hate you all.

Smiling Jack
Dec 2, 2001


thermobollocks posted:

I hate you all.

Don't you mean "y'all"?

thermobollocks
Jul 5, 2009

GET A DILLON

Smiling Jack posted:

Don't you mean "y'all"?

More like y'alluns.

iyaayas01
Feb 19, 2010

Perry'd


thermobollocks posted:

More like y'alluns.

loving Pennsylvania.

Plasma1010
Jul 2, 2007

by T. Mascis


bunnielab posted:

In the tiny amounts of gun oil or cleaner you would use, it would be pretty pointless to bother looking for something "green". A quart of ATF and a small tub of white lithium grease could literally last you a lifetime if you don't just glop it on there. For cleaning you can use alcohol if you don't mind having to do some scrubbing.

Well it was more of a question of "Can I just make something / use something at home?"

I was kind of wondering recently what people were using in say the 1800's, or did they just have to get new guns quite often ?

CougarsWrath
May 19, 2005

War is Hell


bear fat and boiling water?

iyaayas01
Feb 19, 2010

Perry'd


Plasma1010 posted:

Well it was more of a question of "Can I just make something / use something at home?"

I was kind of wondering recently what people were using in say the 1800's, or did they just have to get new guns quite often ?

The type of cleaning products required for black power flintlocks are quite a bit different than that required for a modern smokeless powder semi-automatic rifle (or even a smokeless powder single shot shotgun), so that's kind of a poor reference point to use for comparison. By the time smokeless powder/more modern firearms were a thing (a little before the turn of the century) the chemical industry was far enough advanced that people wouldn't have messed around with "natural" products or whatever.

Ygolonac
Nov 26, 2007

FURRED STREET,
BITCHES!




thermobollocks posted:

More like y'alluns.

Proper form is "all y'all".

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008

TFR 2011: All Brony, all the time.



It's y'all homo's. This is TFR after all.

beta
May 6, 2007
It ends here.

Plasma1010 posted:

Well it was more of a question of "Can I just make something / use something at home?"

I was kind of wondering recently what people were using in say the 1800's, or did they just have to get new guns quite often ?
Lard and water. http://thefiringline.com/forums/sho...86&postcount=14
I recall some mentions of ash or soap, which basically do the same thing. The ash containing lye which then turns the lard remains to soap.

If you need to do something by yourself give Ed's red a go http://www.frfrogspad.com/homemade.htm Mind you that you might experience some staining if you get it all over the wooden stock and so on. And as iyaayas01 mentions, times and cartridges are different. I don't think that anybody in the 19th century had to clean plastic wad fouling from their scattergun.

Plasma1010
Jul 2, 2007

by T. Mascis


beta posted:

Lard and water. http://thefiringline.com/forums/sho...86&postcount=14
I recall some mentions of ash or soap, which basically do the same thing. The ash containing lye which then turns the lard remains to soap.

If you need to do something by yourself give Ed's red a go http://www.frfrogspad.com/homemade.htm Mind you that you might experience some staining if you get it all over the wooden stock and so on. And as iyaayas01 mentions, times and cartridges are different. I don't think that anybody in the 19th century had to clean plastic wad fouling from their scattergun.

Alright thanks for all the info guys !

Chantilly Say
Apr 18, 2008

A man's got to know his limitations.

Also, death to My Little Pony.


Plasma1010 posted:

Alright thanks for all the info guys !

Let us know how it goes. I've always figured that the amount of oil involved with cleaning guns is so small as to have no substantial effects, but I would love to hear what alternatives are possible.

infrared35
Jan 12, 2005



Chantilly Say posted:

Let us know how it goes. I've always figured that the amount of oil involved with cleaning guns is so small as to have no substantial effects, but I would love to hear what alternatives are possible.

Gunzilla.

Safety Dance
Sep 10, 2007

Five degrees to starboard!

My little brother is about to turn 21, is not (otherwise) a prohibited possessor, and wants to buy a handgun with which to go shooting. He lives at college (where guns are illegal on campus), or with my parents during breaks (who are pretty strongly anti-gun). The best solution we can come up with is that his gun would live in my gun closet. I have a state carry permit, which means I don't get NCIC'd when I buy a gun. How should we go about the transfer?

a)We could 4473 it to me originally, with the understanding that, when he gets his own place, I will private-party-transfer it to him.

b)We could 4473 it to me originally, with the understanding that, when he gets his own place, we'll go down to the range and they'll 4473 it to him.

c)We could 4473 it to him originally, and it would just live in a locked box in my gun closet until he gets his own place.

d)Something else

I like turtles
Aug 6, 2009

"Wouldn't want to see an angry turtle with a gun, would ya? "

Well...


C is the best option. A and B are straw purchases.
This assumes no additional weirdo state laws.

AR
Oct 26, 2005
a beautiful collision

I like turtles posted:

C is the best option. A and B are straw purchases.
This assumes no additional weirdo state laws.

Yes, if you phrase it that way, the only legal purchase is C.

ilkhan
Oct 7, 2004
A woman has 100% control of the pregnancy status of her body, except in cases of rape


His money, his name, his gun, his 4470.
His locked box in your closet is fine.

Gtab
Dec 9, 2003

cop killer
cop killer
cop killer


look who just circled me on G+ https://plus.google.com/109329953074698454446/posts

iyaayas01
Feb 19, 2010

Perry'd


Gtab posted:

look who just circled me on G+ https://plus.google.com/109329953074698454446/posts

hahahahahahaha

DakianDelomast
Mar 5, 2003


iyaayas01 posted:

loving Pennsylvania.

Yinz gee'chet? I just rit up my room so I was headed dahntahn to Primani's.

I hate this place.

Pitch
Jun 16, 2005

It is a truth universally
acknowledged that an
oniichan in possession
of good fortune must be
in want of an imouto.


DakianDelomast posted:

Yinz gee'chet? I just rit up my room so I was headed dahntahn to Primani's.

I hate this place.
Well that's ridiculous. "Gee'chet" already contains a contraction of "yinz".

DakianDelomast
Mar 5, 2003


Pitch posted:

Well that's ridiculous. "Gee'chet" already contains a contraction of "yinz".

I just tried coming up with a credible grammatic reason why the two words weren't in contradiction but instead I'll just say Pittsburghese is dumb.

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DkHelmet
Jul 10, 2001

I pity the foal...


DakianDelomast posted:

Yinz gee'chet? I just rit up my room so I was headed dahntahn to Primani's.

I hate this place.

I've lived in PA all my life and spent some time out deep in the dutchie country and I've never, ever heard anything like this.

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