TFR General Question Thread: Being wrong never felt so right.

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Lincoln`s Wax: Apr 30, 2000; DRONE METAL
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Ask away!

I'll start: How much wood could a woodchuck chuck if said woodchuck had chainsaws for arms and a GAU-8 for a mouth?

# ? Jun 11, 2010 02:29

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# ? May 21, 2013 06:09

Miso Beno: Apr 29, 2004; Try to Catch Me Ridin' Dirty

Lincoln`s Wax posted:

Ask away!

I'll start: How much wood could a woodchuck chuck if said woodchuck had chainsaws for arms and a GAU-8 for a mouth?

The woodcuck could chuck 47 board feet of wood before he ran out of ammunition and died.

# ? Jun 11, 2010 02:33

SadWhaleFamily: May 1, 2007

Miso Beno posted:

The woodcuck could chuck 47 board feet of wood before he ran out of ammunition and died.

How much is that in MDF?

# ? Jun 11, 2010 02:36

widefault: Mar 16, 2009

Reposted from the end of the last thread.

Two questions...

1.) Contemplating a dedicated setup for my Ceiner 1911 .22lr conversion kit. Am I better off building from a bare frame or buying a cheap 1911 and discarding/selling/stashing slide/barrel? I'm leaning towards building since it could be cheaper than buying a whole extra 1911. Not like I need high-end parts for what will be a plinker.

2.) Where in the US might a man be able to take his dad to fire an M79 grenade launcher? My dad carried one in Vietnam, and to this day one of his big wants is to fire one again. He'd be happy with chalk rounds, he just wants to fire one again. I'm trying to convince him to spend some of my inheritance on an actual M79, but no luck with that. Yet.

# ? Jun 11, 2010 02:41

thermobollocks: Jul 5, 2009; GET A DILLON

widefault posted:

Reposted from the end of the last thread.

2.) Where in the US might a man be able to take his dad to fire an M79 grenade launcher? My dad carried one in Vietnam, and to this day one of his big wants is to fire one again. He'd be happy with chalk rounds, he just wants to fire one again. I'm trying to convince him to spend some of my inheritance on an actual M79, but no luck with that. Yet.

Look around for class III dealers who rent machine guns or have machine gun shoots.

My question: What the hell do I do about the rings forming in my .357 cylinder when I shoot .38? I've tried brass-brushing the piss out of it with some Hoppes, but no dice.

# ? Jun 11, 2010 02:48

The Automator: Jan 16, 2009; I was like Oatmeal, are you CRAZY?!?

widefault posted:

Reposted from the end of the last thread.

2.) Where in the US might a man be able to take his dad to fire an M79 grenade launcher? My dad carried one in Vietnam, and to this day one of his big wants is to fire one again. He'd be happy with chalk rounds, he just wants to fire one again. I'm trying to convince him to spend some of my inheritance on an actual M79, but no luck with that. Yet.

Gtab, Pacific Rim Job, Highmeh, and myself went to an indoor range in Vegas that I can't remember the name of. They had an M79 there you could rent and pay per shot. Gtab shot a beehive round out of it.

You could also go down to Louisville, KY and hit the Knob Creek range at one of their machine gun shoots. I'm sure someone there would have one to shoot.

# ? Jun 11, 2010 02:49

I like turtles: Aug 6, 2009; "Wouldn't want to see an angry turtle with a gun, would ya? "

W ell...

I bet that FA range in Georgia either has one or could point you to one. Where are you located?

# ? Jun 11, 2010 02:55

Gray Stormy: Dec 19, 2006

UPDATE

Not too long ago I inquired about he legalities of machining an AR lower.

After speaking with members of the CNC Gunsmithing forum and a consultation with an attorney, it appears that as long as I am the person that presses the 'Go' button and the lower is for me; I am 100% legal.

I will be taking it a step further by keeping my cousins role 'supervisory.'

# ? Jun 11, 2010 02:59

DJExile: Jun 27, 2007

Gonna get this out of the way now

ANSWER ONE: Glocks suck.

u gtab

# ? Jun 11, 2010 03:00

Ygolonac: Nov 26, 2007; FURRED STREET,
BITCHES!

widefault posted:

1.) Contemplating a dedicated setup for my Ceiner 1911 .22lr conversion kit. Am I better off building from a bare frame or buying a cheap 1911 and discarding/selling/stashing slide/barrel? I'm leaning towards building since it could be cheaper than buying a whole extra 1911. Not like I need high-end parts for what will be a plinker.

A "cheap" 1911 is still going to run you $300+ (unless you're on good terms with crack/meth-heads and don't mind wiping the previous owner's blood off the gun), but has the advantage of being complete and functional. (Optimally; you can always buy busted poo poo, maybe save a few bucks there - Bubba is always selling Frankenguns.) It also allows the option of just throwing the centerfire top end back on if needed.

A bare-frame build can start out cheaper, and even stay there depending on what parts you can come up with at a discount; your main issue is going to be the specialised tools and operations needed to fit and finish the gun - you won't have to do a lot of the frame/barrel-specific fitting (upper lugs, barrel hood, headspacing and chamber finishing, bushing/barrel fitting), but all the vital clockworkery (hammer/sear/thumb safety is the most finicky) will still need to be done.

This can be simplified somewhat by using "pre-fit" parts - my method was to buy a baggie of parts that all came off the same 1911, and thus had been (presumably) functioning and fitted properly, and drop them into a used (and apparently properly working) frame. A number of companies offer pre-fitted hammer/sear sets, but you still may need to tweak those - and they're (usually) not cheap.

If you want the experience (albeit limited in scope) of building a 1911, the bare-frame method will be fine - especially as a dedicated .22 will skip some of the more difficult barrel/slide work. However, it's both unlikely to cost less, and may possibly not work as well, as a "complete lower" build.

If I was making another dedicated .22 myself, my first choice would be to try and scare up a used-but-mostly-functional complete pistol - a mangled feed-ramp (hello Dremel Dan!) won't mean a hell of a lot to a .22 kit, unless something *really* destructive was done. Second choice would be seeing what Foster Industries has on sale and (slowly) picking up all the other bits as I could afford them, then trying to sleaze the specialised tools rather than buy 'em.

thermobollocks posted:

My question: What the hell do I do about the rings forming in my .357 cylinder when I shoot .38? I've tried brass-brushing the piss out of it with some Hoppes, but no dice.

I've read somewhere that a fired .357 casing, with the case-edge sharpened, would work as a scraper for such deposits. Can anyone verify?

Ygolonac fucked around with this message at Jun 11, 2010 around 03:09

# ? Jun 11, 2010 03:06

JEEVES420: Feb 16, 2005; The world is a mess... and I just need to rule it

DJExile posted:

Gonna get this out of the way now

ANSWER ONE: Glocks suck.

u gtab

second

# ? Jun 11, 2010 03:07

TheStig: Jan 3, 2009; Just need to mount the guns on the car....

widefault posted:

2.) Where in the US might a man be able to take his dad to fire an M79 grenade launcher? My dad carried one in Vietnam, and to this day one of his big wants is to fire one again. He'd be happy with chalk rounds, he just wants to fire one again. I'm trying to convince him to spend some of my inheritance on an actual M79, but no luck with that. Yet.

There was a company making 37mm M79 Flare launchers a bit ago, if that would float his boat.

# ? Jun 11, 2010 03:10

OWLS!: Sep 17, 2009; WANKER!

I'm contemplating purchasing a handgun. What's the concensus on CZv82 vs. the CZ 75, aside from price.

# ? Jun 11, 2010 03:18

SadWhaleFamily: May 1, 2007

OWLS! posted:

I'm contemplating purchasing a handgun. What's the concensus on CZv82 vs. the CZ 75, aside from price.

They're both great guns, but for somewhat different reasons. What're you looking for out of a pistol?

# ? Jun 11, 2010 03:25

Gtab: Dec 9, 2003; cop killer
cop killer
cop killer

DJExile posted:

Gonna get this out of the way now

ANSWER ONE: Glocks suck.

u gtab

AND I, YOU.

OWLS! posted:

I'm contemplating purchasing a handgun. What's the concensus on CZv82 vs. the CZ 75, aside from price.

CZ75 hands down without even needing to consider anything involved besides the two gun models.

# ? Jun 11, 2010 03:26

king of the bongo: Apr 26, 2008; If you're brown, GET DOWN!

OWLS! posted:

I'm contemplating purchasing a handgun. What's the concensus on CZv82 vs. the CZ 75, aside from price.

the 82 felt slimmer and made the webbing on my hand hurt a bit after a couple of mags compared to my 75 and p01 which don't hurt at all. All are very accurate. The trigger on the cz75 in DA or decocked DA can be a bit hard to reach with smaller hands and will tend in you pulling your shots low when you first get it. It is a bit easier with the p01 but it still catches you when you get lazy and in a hurry with maintaining a sight picture. I assume bigger hands would be fine with this.

Where are you located? What are you doing with the gun? Which version of the 75 were you looking at?

# ? Jun 11, 2010 03:29

HFX: Nov 29, 2004

I like turtles posted:

I bet that FA range in Georgia either has one or could point you to one. Where are you located?

Wait, which one is this? If it is Bullseye in Lawrenceville, they only have FA guns for rent. It is an 25' indoor range. They might be able to point you to some other place though.

I have to mention the city because there is another Bullseye in Cumming. Most of the indoor ranges her let you shoot FA weapons. No .50 Brownings though.

# ? Jun 11, 2010 03:33

widefault: Mar 16, 2009

TheStig posted:

There was a company making 37mm M79 Flare launchers a bit ago, if that would float his boat.

I've seen some of those, but they're more like an M203 with a pistol grip. There is a 40mm airsoft-like version that shoots plastic and foam rounds propelled by gas, but I don't know if that would be acceptable.

My dad has apparently done some checking and was told Knob Creek was a no, but I don't know who told him that. He still wants to go, so who knows.

We're in Wisconsin, so Vegas might be a bit far just for that. It's a start, though.

I still think he should just buy one. Who doesn't need a grenade launcher?

# ? Jun 11, 2010 03:34

DoktorLoken: Apr 12, 2002

I've never been to Knob Creek but I have to imagine if any place would have one for rent it would be there.

# ? Jun 11, 2010 03:40

Sgt. Shaved Balls: Sep 6, 2006; The Year Is 2053. Basketball Is Dead.

# ? Jun 11, 2010 04:03

DAVE!!!(c)(tm): Feb 22, 2003

Sgt. Shaved Balls posted:

That's an answer to a question that shouldn't be asked. Still, thank you just for being you.

# ? Jun 11, 2010 04:14

infrared35: Jan 12, 2005

That reminds me of the most awesome assignment I've ever had while working for the federal government. I was in Chicago, part of the U.S. contingent of the advance team for Lady Di's visit in the mid nineties. One of the things I had to do as part of the advance security detail was to hang out with one of Di's smoking hot personal assistants. Her job was was to wear different skirts and go up and down the stairs to the stage where Diana would be giving a speech. I had to stand at the bottom of the stairs and see if I could see up her skirt. We did this for hours. "Can you see up it now? How about from this angle? Stand over there. I'll go up the stairs again. Can you see up it now?" And then she would try a different skirt and we'd go through it all again.

They REALLY wanted to make sure no photographer got a Lady Di Panty Shot.

# ? Jun 11, 2010 04:19

charliebravo77: Jun 11, 2003

Secret Ooze posted:

UPDATE

Not too long ago I inquired about he legalities of machining an AR lower.

After speaking with members of the CNC Gunsmithing forum and a consultation with an attorney, it appears that as long as I am the person that presses the 'Go' button and the lower is for me; I am 100% legal.

I will be taking it a step further by keeping my cousins role 'supervisory.'

I've just devised a brilliant money making scheme for the

crowd. Set up a machine shop where all the batshit-anti-government-UN gonna take my guns-nuts can come in, press a button, and out pops a machined lower receiver with no serial (since it's not required for firearms you manufacture yourself for your own use). Charge them $200 for it and live the good life. You'd have to have a big client list beforehand though, cause I'm sure the ATF would shut you down within a day of being in business. Anyone who attempts this owes me 30% of profits for the idea

# ? Jun 11, 2010 04:22

Kommienzuspadt: Apr 28, 2004; This bear is tops blooby

charliebravo77 posted:

I've just devised a brilliant money making scheme for the crowd. Set up a machine shop where all the batshit-anti-government-UN gonna take my guns-nuts can come in, press a button, and out pops a machined lower receiver with no serial (since it's not required for firearms you manufacture yourself for your own use). Charge them $200 for it and live the good life. You'd have to have a big client list beforehand though, cause I'm sure the ATF would shut you down within a day of being in business. Anyone who attempts this owes me 30% of profits for the idea

pretty sure these places exist.

# ? Jun 11, 2010 04:31

Locus: Feb 28, 2004; But you were dead a thousand times. Hopeless encounters successfully won.

I'm also pretty sure it's very difficult to create and maintain a foolproof "one-step" AR-15 receiver machine.

# ? Jun 11, 2010 04:39

Pyruvate: Apr 4, 2008; by Y Kant Ozma Post

charliebravo77 posted:

I've just devised a brilliant money making scheme for the crowd. Set up a machine shop where all the batshit-anti-government-UN gonna take my guns-nuts can come in, press a button, and out pops a machined lower receiver with no serial (since it's not required for firearms you manufacture yourself for your own use). Charge them $200 for it and live the good life. You'd have to have a big client list beforehand though, cause I'm sure the ATF would shut you down within a day of being in business. Anyone who attempts this owes me 30% of profits for the idea

So like those souvenir penny machines?

# ? Jun 11, 2010 04:49

BaronW: Apr 16, 2007; Why yes, I HAVE seen uhaul.jpg

Pyruvate posted:

So like those souvenir penny machines?

PAY HERE, INSERT BILLET HERE, TURN CRANK

# ? Jun 11, 2010 05:04

walrusman: Aug 4, 2006; Ride the rainbow

Locus posted:

I'm also pretty sure it's very difficult to create and maintain a foolproof "one-step" AR-15 receiver machine.

Fully half the machining is cosmetic or at the very least non-critical. If the clients didn't care so much what they looked like, and/or depending on the type of mills at your disposal, you could get way closer to one receiver popping out per button-push. Here's an idea: figure out what steps need to be done to take an 90% forging and make it just barely functional. Write up your G-code, and have Bubba come hit the go switch. He goes and gets a cup of coffee (here's another idea: attach a coffee shop to your machine shop, so you get 'em from both sides!), comes back and picks up his ugly-but-functional, 100% legal untraceable blah blah buzzwords AR lower.

If you weren't married to the idea of a solid one-piece lower, bolting one together out of a few pieces seems like it would be really easy with some basic thinky-work.

edit: Thinking now about billet only, you could eliminate tons of machining passes if you made the receiver one continuous width along its entire length. Then you could sell custom extended trigger and hammer pins to fit your custom simplified lower design (cut them out of rod stock and make a hefty profit), or, for a fee, you could install the LPK for them.

walrusman fucked around with this message at Jun 11, 2010 around 05:11

# ? Jun 11, 2010 05:07

E-Rock: Dec 30, 2004

I'm pretty sure some guy did what you guys are talking about. It was an %80 lower that was essentially bolted together so it required very basic machining processes to finish up. He ran into trouble with a service he offered to "help" a person finish one of his lowers. He was doing too much of the work or something like that so it wasn't a legit %80 lower anymore.

At least that's what I remember reading about, I could be wrong on some of the details.

# ? Jun 11, 2010 06:05

hangedman: Dec 20, 2003; Fish out of water

thermobollocks posted:

My question: What the hell do I do about the rings forming in my .357 cylinder when I shoot .38? I've tried brass-brushing the piss out of it with some Hoppes, but no dice.

My solution was as follows:

1. Lay the cylinder on its side and swab shooter's choice liberally on the rings with a q-tip. Let soak for a few hours.
2. Flip cylinder upside down, repeat step one.
3. Cut the ring off a cleaning brush and attach it to either a dremel or cordless drill and run the thing on a low setting for about ten seconds per cylinder.

Repeat if needed.

# ? Jun 11, 2010 09:45

Captain Slow: Jul 9, 2007; Breaker, Breaker, High Ball Ten Ten, Till We Do It Again, Captain Slow.

On my M-16 there is a button just behind the ejection port that angles out at 30%. What is this used for and what is it called? Because they haven't even mentioned it in training.

# ? Jun 11, 2010 10:03

Eating the Pudding: Apr 28, 2009

The brass deflector? It's to keep brass from hitting you as it's ejected.

Edit. Wait you probably mean the forward assist. It's to mash your bolt into battery if necessary during malfunction.

Eating the Pudding fucked around with this message at Jun 11, 2010 around 10:17

# ? Jun 11, 2010 10:14

Aleksei Vasiliev: May 7, 2007; Fuck the cowboys. Unf. Fuck em hard.

Hey I'm turning 21 soon what specific handgun should I buy (in 9mm)

BONUS: I live in California and have no idea how the pistol laws work

# ? Jun 11, 2010 10:25

Pitch: Jun 16, 2005; It is a truth universally
acknowledged that an
oniichan in possession
of good fortune must be
in want of an imouto.

GLOCKKK 19

DOJ website says all the major variations are approved for California

# ? Jun 11, 2010 10:29

Illegal Clown: Feb 18, 2004

Eating the Pudding posted:

Edit. Wait you probably mean the forward assist. It's to mash your bolt into battery if necessary during malfunction.

That what it sounds like and is theoretically correct. In practice, the forward assist is just a useless button, but it is nice and springy so gives you something to play with if you get bored.

# ? Jun 11, 2010 10:35

infrared35: Jan 12, 2005

Aleksei Vasiliev posted:

Hey I'm turning 21 soon what specific handgun should I buy (in 9mm)

BONUS: I live in California and have no idea how the pistol laws work

SIG P226.

# ? Jun 11, 2010 13:24

Gray Stormy: Dec 19, 2006

Aleksei Vasiliev posted:

Hey I'm turning 21 soon what specific handgun should I buy (in 9mm)

BONUS: I live in California and have no idea how the pistol laws work

Steyr M9

# ? Jun 11, 2010 14:04

slidebite: Nov 6, 2005; Happiness is a tight butt and flat tummy. I have neither but yours looks awesome BTW do you have any beer?

walrusman posted:

He goes and gets a cup of coffee (here's another idea: attach a coffee shop to your machine shop, so you get 'em from both sides!), comes back and picks up his ugly-but-functional, 100% legal untraceable blah blah buzzwords AR lower.

I'm picturing a coin/bill operated CnC with an attached coffee machine that you can move around from gun show to gun show.

# ? Jun 11, 2010 14:08

The Bananana: May 21, 2008; This is a metaphor, a Christian allegory. The fact that I have to explain to you that Jesus is the Warthog, and the Banana is drepanocytosis is just embarrassing for you.

How do I discourage insane dudes at the range from telling me their war stories and whatnot while I'm busy trying to shoot?

# ? Jun 11, 2010 14:13

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# ? May 21, 2013 06:09

slidebite: Nov 6, 2005; Happiness is a tight butt and flat tummy. I have neither but yours looks awesome BTW do you have any beer?

I usually say "Hey, I'd like to chat but I'm trying to shoot."

It might also help if you wear hot neon pink clothing.

# ? Jun 11, 2010 14:20

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