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Sten Freak: Sep 10, 2008; Hold your stomach until the end

Bob Morales posted:

What makes the HK91 rifle so desirable and expensive?

Preban (89) made by HK. Can host registered sears for FA.

# ¿ Jun 21, 2010 17:24

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# ¿ May 21, 2013 13:42

Sten Freak: Sep 10, 2008; Hold your stomach until the end

Get one of those PD Cruiser shotgun mounts? Dunno how your state views non-concealed firearms in a car.

Better solution is to get some drat AC. Yes i moved from the South to the mountains and there's almost no humidity here and i'm a mile above sea level and STILL there are hot days. AC repair is invariably expensive, but it's one of those things that you have to have in the South. If your car just doesn't have AC, sell or retrofit. Seriously gently caress no AC.

# ¿ Jun 24, 2010 19:05

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Diver Dick posted:

Welp, thanks for the help. Some paperwork I've been working on needs to be redone, AND I get to call the ATF tomorrow!

I got the ATF to send me a changed license copy which I never received like you, via email request once. I probably found the address online.

# ¿ Jun 30, 2010 13:31

Sten Freak: Sep 10, 2008; Hold your stomach until the end

I always thought 12ga wasn't that bad outside. I use double ears but I'm shocked how close all those rifles and shotguns are on that website.

# ¿ Jun 30, 2010 14:51

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HFX posted:

You are set back from the muzzle in its shadow. Most of the sound energy will be moving forward or to the sides. What is reflected is usually severely attenuated. This changes with a muzzle brake for instance. Finally, the muzzle blast of others in your party if any is still in front of you usually. Therefore you don't get energy you do like in an indoor firing range.

I wonder if they're using measurements from the muzzle then because i've heard many shotguns with no ears and they weren't bad but the few rifles I've heard were completely devastating.

# ¿ Jun 30, 2010 17:02

Sten Freak: Sep 10, 2008; Hold your stomach until the end

I'd think self defense with a suppressed firearm would draw attention and possibly provide enough material for a self-defense shooting to become more scrutinized. Just because no one has been bent over for defending themselves with one doesn't mean it couldn't happen. In the end, I'd still go with what was available to me and I don't want the popo to take a suppressor for evidence.

# ¿ Jun 30, 2010 18:43

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NosmoKing posted:

Old shooting buddy who is getting, well, old as well as rather sick is thinking about selling his bullet casting business. fully automated commercial casting gear, just keep the lead filled and fluxed and it churns out bullets. Dies in most popular bullet diameters, weights, and nose shapes.

$15,000 for the whole thing, plus client list. I'm an idiot and am thinking about it somewhat seriously.

You could do worse with 15K. If you're serious I'd demand his numbers -sales, costs, etc. See how many months or years to recoup your investment, how much time is needed and ask yourself if you really want to run a business. Also I wonder if processing lead requires special permits or anything like that. Of course find out what such a rig would cost new so you can see what you're really paying for in addition to the customer list. Buying something that can generate revenue is not a bad idea but do your research.

E: And even though it's fully automated at the end of the day you're, with no insult intended to anyone in similar industry, doing manual labor processing lead. It could be pretty bleak work for some.

Sten Freak fucked around with this message at Jul 1, 2010 around 20:14

# ¿ Jul 1, 2010 20:10

Sten Freak: Sep 10, 2008; Hold your stomach until the end

Q isn't getting answered in C&R thread so:

Rock-Ola M1 Carbine, 1943 stock, gun "rebuilt at Lake City and marked as a practice rifle". What does it mean to be marked as a practice rifle? I have the chance to buy this rifle from an old timer and am wondering about the practice markings.

# ¿ Jul 11, 2010 17:28

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gimpsuitjones posted:

I want one.

They're pricey and spare parts are almost nonexistent. But FA sears are "only" ~$3K, which is one reason they're expensive.

# ¿ Jul 26, 2010 16:40

Sten Freak: Sep 10, 2008; Hold your stomach until the end

ATF's position on conversion devices seems to follow a couple of loose rules: You cannot change from one gun "family" to another, and modification of the receiver is a no-no. This is where it gets tricky because a lot of conv devices require receiver mods to work, as does the FNC's lower. A couple years ago the ATF issued this:

"ATF has reconsidered its classification of the lower assembly of the FNC rifle as the receiver. The upper assembly of the FNC rifle is more properly classified as the receiver. The upper assembly of the FNC rifle houses the bolt and provides a connection point for the barrel. Moreover, the upper assembly is classified as the receiver on similar types of firearms, to include other FN rifles, such as the FN FAL and FN SCAR. Reclassification of the upper assembly as the receiver will also allow the continued installation of a lawfully registered sear into an FNC rifle because no modification to the receiver, which is the upper assembly, is required to properly install the sear."

Most people think they did this to legitimize the FNC auto sear installation. Who knows really.

I think the most likely way those extra FNC sears get hosts is if someone imported US parts compliant FNCs, if it possible which I have no idea.

# ¿ Jul 26, 2010 17:24

Sten Freak: Sep 10, 2008; Hold your stomach until the end

Somewhat topical the latest sportsmans guide shooters catalog has a bunch of caliber change inserts in it including a .303 to 7.62x25. They had a few calibers.

http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=650814

# ¿ Jul 28, 2010 13:18

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DJ_Ferret posted:

Here's a question for all you do-it-yourself minded goons who read this here thread.

What is the best way to convert a pistol magazine from a nice normal high capacity, to a 10 round capacity?

I will be in California for a while, and I would greatly appreciate being able to legally take along my CZ SP01. 10rd mags cost 37$, and 16rd mec-gar mags cost 25. I'm thinking if I can convert a pair of the 16rd mags down to 10rd it would save me enough money to be worth it.

edit: also, california law says the alteration has to be permanent. But I'm thinking dremeling off a rivet or whatever you recommend wouldn't be that hard once I move back to a more... free state.

You could attach a stop to the floorplate so that the follower can only depress to 10 rounds? You could JB weld a stub to it, in the middle of the spring (assuming there's room, not familiar). Then you could replace the floorplate if it came to that when you leave.
A rivet entering the side of the mag to act as a stop could work if it doesn't interfere with the spring.
Surely this has been done though, either for CA or Canada or wherever, so someone may have better ideas.

# ¿ Aug 5, 2010 13:04

Sten Freak: Sep 10, 2008; Hold your stomach until the end

Insane Totoro posted:

I almost accidentally posted in this thread a love poem bacon because I thought it was the low carb thread.

Serious question:

I am slowly saving up towards an AR. Now, would it make more sense to buy one now, or will prices keep steady or go lower? Or will there be significant price increases?

No one can tell you what the price of any good will be with certainty unless they're actually setting the price. My gut feeling is $59 lowers and $599 quality ARs are about as good as it gets brand new.

# ¿ Aug 6, 2010 18:57

Sten Freak: Sep 10, 2008; Hold your stomach until the end

infrared35 posted:

On an HD gun? That's used almost weekly for competition?

I don't mean to sound snarky, but cosmoline sounds messy on a gun that gets used regularly.

I assume they're blued? If you just want it to not rust and don't care about the original finish, then one option would be to have it media blasted and parkerized. Then you could GunKote it or Duracoat or whatever you wanted to it. Or just leave it in a nice ugly gray military look.

I'm going to assume as a HD weapon it's not in a safe but if it is you could get a dehumidifier rod for it. I've seen these talked about a lot on subguns: http://www.goldenroddehumidifiers.com/

Even with the high humidity, it's strange that it rusts with a coat of oil. Are you cleaning it completely before you apply the oil? Salty sweat is going to attack that metal if you don't clean it. Sure you know this but maybe it needs to be fully stripped to the metal before applying the oil and hasn't been.

# ¿ Aug 15, 2010 14:40

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Propagandalf posted:

Don't a lot of these weapons contracts also specify turn-ins at the end so the manufacturers can get away with refurbing and reselling the old ones while simultaneously denying further contract maintenance service? All while trying to sell the next gen thing?

There's another possibility with the Police Dept machine guns. Some are transferable. From incredibly valuable 1928 Thompsons to Reisings, they can trade in old guns and outfit their department with brand new SMGs of whatever modern flavor they want. It isn't always the reason they swap out inventory but it happens. Big name dealers will suddenly put up 2, 5, or 15 of the same model for sale, sometimes with cool PD name plaques carefully screwed into stocks or horrible engravings. I always wonder just how badly they got screwed over on the trade in value.

# ¿ Aug 17, 2010 15:34

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Craptacular posted:

It's not like police departments don't know that transferables are valuable.

Some do, some have no clue. My old C2 bought an UZI from a Captain for $2k a couple of years ago. I'm sure it wasn't the only steal that has ever occurred.

# ¿ Aug 17, 2010 23:42

Sten Freak: Sep 10, 2008; Hold your stomach until the end

I'm pretty sure I asked for brass punches in a Home Depot once (may have been Lowe's) and the girl laughed at me and said she'd never heard of such a thing. I'm not sure what other applications they're used for but I think it's more of a hobbyist's tool than a standard item. That said, HD probably has 500K items in their inventory and they cannot carry one set of brass punches?

# ¿ Aug 18, 2010 18:56

Sten Freak: Sep 10, 2008; Hold your stomach until the end

iyaayas01 posted:

Okay, so it looks like since I'm going to be moving around quite a bit for the foreseeable future it'd be best to just go the CLEO/fingerprints route. Thanks for reading my mind, by the way, as far as transferring NFA items owned by a LLC to another state. That was going to be my next question. I was actually going to probably forgo any NFA goodness because of the whole Air Force/move every 3-4 years thing, but this 14'' 870 is calling out to me.

If your CLEO will sign it's my opinion this is the way to go. You don't have to worry about filing taxes or paying a yearly corporation fee or any other potential state bs. Personally I'm leery of non-lawyer-generated Trusts for the purpose of NFA too but plenty of people have gone the Quicken route. Will these Trusts hold up if the ATF decides to somehow challenge them? Dunno. Anyway fingerprints are easy and often free, but worse case you're paying an extra ~$40 for passport photos and fingerprints, a drop in the bucket in the big picture. LLC and Trusts are great if your CLEO won't sign or you've got a business already anyway (I'm assuming FFL01s transfer NFA stuff to their corp? Not sure).

Also on the post-transfer move document: If you're not sure where you're going to be living prior to getting to your destination you can put an address where you think may be - maybe an apartment you're considering or a friend's house or whatever. It's not like the ATF is going to check out the address or see if you're staying there with your stuff and after you arrive at your new state your obligation to report to the ATF is done, though they appreciate intrastate move letters but they're not required.

# ¿ Aug 22, 2010 14:41

Sten Freak: Sep 10, 2008; Hold your stomach until the end

Suppressor: You can always make your own.

Also labor and cost of doing business in the US is not going to change. Move any company from overseas and costs are going almost certainly go up, not down.

There are cheap ones if you shop around though. Most people look at it the other way - if you're going to go through the trouble and tax you might as well get a really nice one.

# ¿ Sep 3, 2010 20:10

Sten Freak: Sep 10, 2008; Hold your stomach until the end

Richard Lage's MAC uppers like that one have been kicking rear end in competitions and turn the gun from a difficult to control gun with serious ergonomics issues into a very smooth and controllable platform. People rave about the product itself, how responsive and pleasant Lage is to deal with, and overall how positive the entire ownership experience is. Lage posts on UZItalk frequently and I'm sure other places also. A lot of the great tinkerers of the gun world either put out poor products or poor service but not with him.

As far as price goes if you're a shooter it's not really the gun at that level, it's the ammo costs that will get you.

# ¿ Sep 29, 2010 21:19

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Craptacular posted:

You'll only see open-bolt actions in actual machine guns, not semi-autos because the ATF considers them to be too easy to convert to machine guns.

There are legal open bolt MAC semi autos, produced before the ATF put the boot down on the design. You see them going on GB for 3x a similar closed bolt semi.

# ¿ Oct 4, 2010 15:10

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spankmeister posted:

I can understand why the ATF cracks down on open-bolt designs, it doesn't take mucb for those things to go full auto. Hell they've been known to go runaway if they're worn or dirty or whatever.

I take minor issue with this line of thought. It doesn't take much to make a lightning link or install M2 parts in an M1 Carbine and make full auto closed bolt rifles. But the threat of 10 years in federal prison and a lifetime felony is sufficient deterrent. The ATF basically forbidding open bolt guns really screws up the cool semi subgun clones available to us. Instead we get often flaky closed bolt striker designs (PPSH, PPS, Stens, Suomis etc.) I know my Suomi has been a pain. The semi clones would be muuuuuch cheaper, reliable, and cool.

Canada allows semi auto open bolts. Have they been plagued with converted to MG problems?

# ¿ Oct 4, 2010 20:48

Sten Freak: Sep 10, 2008; Hold your stomach until the end

Gewehr 43,
What did you end up using for carbon removal for your booster cone or flash hider or whatever MG part you had that was coated? Purple Power? If so, did it work?

I had a great experience with Simple Green a few years ago and now it's just not doing the trick. I don't know if the carbon I'm stripping is affecting it's effectiveness and I need to change it out or if the previous success was a fluke.

Related: I'm thinking hard about a commercial ultrasonic cleaning tank. A big one that I can put bolts and subgun barrels in etc. Anyone have experience with one? They're pricey but the idea of just stripping a gun down, dropping it in and coming back a few hours later to a completely clean gun or part without chemicals and manual scrubbing is very appealing.

# ¿ Oct 8, 2010 16:06

Sten Freak: Sep 10, 2008; Hold your stomach until the end

drat, sorry to hear that.

What I'm reading is the best thing for serious carbon build up is a bead blast doh. Ultrasonics do seem to work in some applications but are really bad for aluminum.

Here's a thread I came across which just happened to about a booster (1919).
http://www.subguns.com/boards/mgmsg...cgi?read=568168

One guy mentions greasing them before they get fouled. Makes me wonder if my ported barrel had something on it which made the last cleaning easy, then I stripped it bare, reassembled leading to a much tougher situation now. I think I'm just going to use the scrape method and not let it get so bad next time.

# ¿ Oct 8, 2010 21:49

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ChlorineTrifluoride posted:

The fact that the dashboard cam tape is gone, and all the evidence of the stop (aside from the injury) is gone is the real problem.

If this really goes somewhere there is a pretty good chance the officer called in your uncle's tag while or after he pulled him over. Dispatch (unless he had a laptop in his car-in which he could have run it himself) would then query the tag. I'm 99% sure by law they have to keep all logs of these transactions. It's been a couple years since I've been involved in NCIC software but our stuff logged everything. So that query tag transaction would appear with his tag number in it.

Anyway such an event, a query of your uncle's license plate, wouldn't prove anything except his tag was run that day but it would corroborate your uncle's story.

# ¿ Oct 26, 2010 18:34

Sten Freak: Sep 10, 2008; Hold your stomach until the end

State laws vary. When I lived in FL I researched just sticking a gun in the glove box without a CCW and it appears legal to me:

FL law posted:

Persons traveling by private conveyance if the weapon is securely
encased, or in a public conveyance if the weapon is securely encased and not
in the person�s manual possession.

Check out TX law. It may be similar. I recall federal law contradicted this view so I don't know how that works out...

Safe and smart come down to opinions but say someone tries to car jack you. What good is the gun going to be locked up in a box under the seat?

# ¿ Oct 29, 2010 15:43

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Count Sacula posted:

When I was doing field support, I would leave my gun in my car (to avoid bringing it in customers' houses and got roasted by TFR for it.

I'm not surprised but let me say that I don't agree with the TFR hivemind on some of these issues. It comes down to personal needs and situations.

# ¿ Oct 29, 2010 16:25

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Domini Cane posted:

My uncle, a former FFL and current CBP instructor, suggests I send it off to Browning to have it examined. I suspect I've just voided the warranty (though the rifle is well over 10 years old so there may not be a warrant to void) but will Browning do the test for me?

I'd trust the manufacturer over anyone. They have the most to lose if they return a dangerous gun to you.

# ¿ Oct 29, 2010 20:08

Sten Freak: Sep 10, 2008; Hold your stomach until the end

Some preban stuff there, IMI UZI, Polytech AKs.

# ¿ Nov 4, 2010 18:52

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GreenBuckanneer posted:

There were just guns that had cool designs but the site I was looking at said they couldn't export them to the USA and I looked around a bit and couldn't really find out a list of guns that are illegal to import.

Like I know there's some items that are outright banned and limitations placed on guns to make them okay for civilians, but I'm just starting to be more interested in guns...

I guess what I'm saying is I'd like to own them to have cause they look cool, but I don't know if that's an unpopular opinion or what.

Quick answer: There are a few bans regarding imports.

1968 GCA
1989 non sporting rifles ban
1994? Chinese military style ban
? barrel ban (an interpretation of an earlier law

I don't have the time to get the specifics on all these right at this moment but that's a start.

# ¿ Nov 5, 2010 15:19

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Kenshin posted:

Has anyone ordered from these guys before?
http://www.robertrtg.com/

They've got some good prices on accessories for my CETME:
http://www.robertrtg.com/hklowprofilescopemount.html
http://www.robertrtg.com/g3picatinnyhandguard.html

I haven't but have seen good reviews on UZITALK.

# ¿ Nov 5, 2010 20:10

Sten Freak: Sep 10, 2008; Hold your stomach until the end

Dracos are also not in compliance with no more than 10 foreign parts rule so I thought. So if you make a non sporting weapon out of it you are also going to need to swap parts out.

E: Saw he said SBR now which should mean he doesn't need to comply with that law, provided you read a favorable ATF letter...

Sten Freak fucked around with this message at Nov 8, 2010 around 17:25

# ¿ Nov 8, 2010 15:21

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BarkingSquirrel posted:

You're right but my point was that Dracos themselves have no stake in 922r unless you modify it so its no longer considered a pistol.

Yeah but that is exactly what was being suggested, making it into a rifle:

22 Eargesplitten posted:

If you want to go the AK route, you could also buy a draco pistol and slap a stock on it once you get the paperwork done.

so then you're staking legality on SBRs being exempt also.

e: beaten I see.

# ¿ Nov 8, 2010 22:12

Sten Freak: Sep 10, 2008; Hold your stomach until the end

Huh, I kind of like the electrolysis idea just to remove what rust is there and do it cheaply if it works (a media blast would take it to bare metal so yes it'd definitely do the job). Or just wipe everything down with an oiled cloth, put it away, and just wipe it down after you handle it. It's not going to rust apart on you, especially in dry rear end CO, and it looks like you'll never scrub all that rust off using steel wool.

If you do want to look into refinishes I'd like to get a blasting tank and a dip tank one day, and I have an air gun and experience with GunKote. Let's talk at the goonshoot as it'd be cool to be able to media blast and repark stuff.

Finally, Denver Bullets, a NFA dealer has an armorer who is very fair for media blast and repark fees. It all just seems like overkill for this rifle, especially since your primary goal is just stopping rust.

# ¿ Nov 16, 2010 22:46

Sten Freak: Sep 10, 2008; Hold your stomach until the end

Sylink, if you strip it to the bare metal, oil will be fine except you'll need to wipe anything you handle with oil so you don't leave behind rust-encouraging crap from your hands. It's the same thing with old guns where all the finish has worn off, no big whoop. Looking forward to seeing it at the shoot. I can bring my old Turk and we can try to outdo each other for rifle with most character:

# ¿ Nov 17, 2010 01:21

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Capn Beeb posted:

Balls. I'm thinking of selling the 629 but I don't want it to come back and bite me in the rear end if the sale wasn't on the level.

You could try calling your local PD and seeing if they're run a query gun on it. That would tell you if it had been previously reported as stolen and entered into the NCIC. I cannot remember everything you need for a query but make, model, caliber and serial would definitely do it.

Hmm, OK I just assumed you thought it may be stolen when maybe you're questioning a previous state gun transaction law or something?

# ¿ Nov 17, 2010 17:43

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Capn Beeb posted:

Yeah I'd want to know if it was stolen. My dad bought it years and years ago, and given his history with guns I'm a bit leery of it. Nobody shoots it, poo poo I doubt he even remembers buying it. .44 Mag is $ouch, I've got plenty of $ouch calibers as is, don't need another one.

_{_{I'd probably just sell it if it's clear and buy an Alchimista in .357.}}

A query can tell you if it was reported stolen. But it will return any records on that gun so if it has any entries, such as if it was used in a felony those records will come back. I don't think they'll track you down or whatever but it may warrant some discretion when making the inqury to the PD "I'm thinking about buying a gun..."

# ¿ Nov 17, 2010 19:01

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Itchy Itchiford posted:

What is considered high velocity as far as .22 LR goes? I've been told I shouldn't run high velocity in my old .22 pistol, but just about everything is labeled as such including cheap bulk packs. Is there a specific speed I should go by or what? Is 1,200 fps considered high velocity? Should I just stay away from things like CCI mini-mags and just stick with cheap bulk packs?

I found this written by a guy who has a full site on old .22 pistols (link at the bottom of the post). It makes sense to me but I cannot vouch for the quality of the information.

Guy on Rimfire Central posted:

Don't let the quoted muzzle velocities confuse you. They are usually quoted in reference to a rifle barrel that is 18" or more in length. The important consideration is muzzle energy since that translates according to Newton's third law into the "for every action their is an equal and opposite reaction". Muzzle energy of the bullet = "the action", slide rearward motion = "the opposite and equal reaction". Most high velocity ammo lists at 1250 fps out of a rifle barrel and 1050 fps from a pistol barrel. Most standard velocity ammo lists at 1150 fps from a rifle and 950 from a pistol.
Muzzle energy for high velocity ammo from a rifle is about 140 foot-pounds, in a pistol that translates to about 100 foot-pounds. Standard velocity ammo generates about 117 foot pounds of energy at the rifle muzzle and 80 foot pounds at muzzle of a pistol. All of the above assumes a standard 40 grain bullet.

The important number for comparative puposes is the muzzle energy which translates directly into slide velocity. High Velocity ammo has 25% more muzzle energy than Standard Velocity ammo when fired in a pistol. That means that the slide is smacking the recoil butress 25% harder each time the slide reaches its maximum rearward position. The frame absorbing this energy directly through the butress is what leads to frame cracking in Big Button guns.

Winchester lists the following ballistic info for their ammo:
Super-X (high velocity):
MV rifle :1255 fps, ME rifle :140 f-p
MV pistol :1060 fps, ME pistol :100 f-p.

T-22 (standard velocity):
MV rifle :1150fps, ME rifle :117 f-p
MV pistol :950fps, , ME pistol : 80 f-p.

Dynapoint:
MV rifle :1150fps, ME-rifle :117f-p
MV pistol : 950 fps, ME pistol : 80f-p

To make a long story a little longer Dynapoint ammo has exactly the same ballistics as the T-22 standard velocity so you can consider it to be Standard velocity.

The recoil spring acts as a buffer to the slide impacting the butress. Make sure that you've got a fresh recoil spring in your Victor in any case. I recommend replacing the spring you have in the gun with a 6 pound variable rate heavy duty spring from Wollf. . You'll find instructions on how to change the spring on my web-site: http://home.roadrunner.com/~jbarta/otherstuff.html

Last edited by jaybar; 08-21-2008 at 01:02 PM.

# ¿ Nov 18, 2010 05:18

Sten Freak: Sep 10, 2008; Hold your stomach until the end

I'm curious to see what replies you get GP. If I were in your shoes I'd probably put the gun in the trunk and drive it home. Will someone try to prove you weren't living in the same state as she when she gave you the gun or something (in the extremely, extremely unlikely event that the ownership of the gun comes into question)? How could anyone even prove when and where you got it? This is not advice, and contrary to what the law wants you to do so treat it accordingly.

# ¿ Dec 2, 2010 16:38

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# ¿ May 21, 2013 13:42

Sten Freak: Sep 10, 2008; Hold your stomach until the end

E:^
What about your grandfather's dying wish that you take the gun?

# ¿ Dec 2, 2010 17:33

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