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DrBouvenstein posted:Actually, now that I think about it, didn't Bester, Talia, or Lyta have a line about how telepaths can be trained to read a lot of alien minds, but it's more taxing than human minds, and a lot of the ones that do it end up going crazy, or something? The Narn prophet guy figured out the telepaths could hurt the Shadows and led an army against them and the Shadows killed off the telepaths before leaving. The Centauri were supposed to have been meddled with by the Shadows (Londo saw nothing when Kosh left his suit)so the Shadows may have given them a little extra umph. I think it's inferred that those guys who know about anything happening to the Emperor have a special connection to each other or maybe it's a nod to the Shadows survival of the fittest philosophy breeding superior telepaths.
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DrBouvenstein posted:Also...why are Centuari ones seemingly so much more powerful? I mean...it seems almost all Centauri have some kind of "precog" ability in that they often see their own death, and the former emperor's wife could see into the future even better, and then the emperor has those four aids, two with him anywhere he goes and two at home so the instant anything happens to him, they know about it...so they apparently have psi-abilities that span galactic distances?! The Dark Side isn't stronger than the Light Side, it's just different. Two facets of the same energy. Thus will all the various kinds of psi capable individuals of the younger races. It makes some sense that the limitations of the power would be different from species to species, as most species' minds work in different ways. At it's upper levels psi seems much more of a universal do whatever the hell you want power, however.
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CommunistMojo posted:The Narn prophet guy figured out the telepaths could hurt the Shadows and led an army against them and the Shadows killed off the telepaths before leaving. The Centauri were supposed to have been meddled with by the Shadows (Londo saw nothing when Kosh left his suit)so the Shadows may have given them a little extra umph. I think it's inferred that those guys who know about anything happening to the Emperor have a special connection to each other or maybe it's a nod to the Shadows survival of the fittest philosophy breeding superior telepaths. Total speculation, but maybe the Centauri not seeing the Vorlons has to do with Technomage (aka shadow's anti-psyker) influence.
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DrBouvenstein posted:Also...why are Centuari ones seemingly so much more powerful? I mean...it seems almost all Centauri have some kind of "precog" ability in that they often see their own death, and the former emperor's wife could see into the future even better, and then the emperor has those four aids, two with him anywhere he goes and two at home so the instant anything happens to him, they know about it...so they apparently have psi-abilities that span galactic distances?! From some of the stuff on the show, it actually seems like Minbari telepaths may be the stronger ones of those we meet from the younger races.
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Nathilus posted:The thing that I feel they didn't get right about him was that he should have been terrified of aliens. Even stepping foot onto B5 should have scared the hell out of him. He feels all high and mighty because of his mental powers, and should thus fear those he can't use them on. Imagine being the most super charismatic guy in the whole world, but one day you can suddenly only convince whities or whatever to do what you want. Everyone else would suddenly be super scary. You'll also notice that Bester pretty much only interacts with humans. He considers himself to be the next stage of human evolution (basically), and thus better than mundanes. But the mundanes' government institutions are at least useful for him to get what he wants, and they're also what are in control on B5. Yeah, there's other aliens running around, but what race are all the military personnel and security forces (i.e. "the guys with guns")? Human (with some scattered Narn in the lower ranks). And I never really thought about it before, but we don't, as far as I can tell, hear anything about what Psi-Corps (or Bester) think about the other races: their plots are pretty much teeps vs. mundanes.
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http://www.americaremembers.com/Pro...BBTRI/BBTRI.asp I feel the need to comment on this but I'm at a loss for words. I really am.
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Tighclops posted:http://www.americaremembers.com/Pro...BBTRI/BBTRI.asp I'd buy one if I could only shove it out an airlock.
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Tighclops posted:http://www.americaremembers.com/Pro...BBTRI/BBTRI.asp Now make a PPG replica in, say 9mm or .22 and you've got my money.
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mllaneza posted:Now make a PPG replica in, say 9mm or .22 and you've got my money. I'll give you his money, too, if it shoots superheated helium or whatever.
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Burning_Monk posted:Total speculation, but maybe the Centauri not seeing the Vorlons has to do with Technomage (aka shadow's anti-psyker) influence. Er, is this pulled from one of the books or something?
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Kerbtree posted:Er, is this pulled from one of the books or something? Yes. Shadows began messing with the races a long time ago just like the vorlons. One of their projects was to insert bioengineered (organic?) implants into select individuals/races. These implants gave the implanted magic-like powers and abilities. Eventually they kind of became their own society out from under the shadows' influence. They went into hiding before the last great war (Geometry of Shadows in S2) because they didn't want their powers and tech to fall into the wrong hands. A few like Galen stayed behind. Galen, from the sequel series is one of the most powerful technomages in existence. According to unaired/never filmed episodes, Earth was experimenting with similar technology on their own people toward the end of the earth civil war or something. I've never read the books/etc. so I'm just giving you the summary of the wiki.
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I have a habit of looking up the biographies of actors in tv shows and movies if they're not like big name people because I like to make sure that their career is going okay, and I just found out that Richard Biggs (franklin) is dead because his aorta exploded for some bullshit reason  Also, Thirdspace is pretty drat good. I like when Delenn and Sheridan get to be couple-y 
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Technomages are the worst thing about Babylon 5 and Galen sucks rear end. What a douche. He fits though because his series is also terrible.
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white quilt posted:I have a habit of looking up the biographies of actors in tv shows and movies if they're not like big name people because I like to make sure that their career is going okay, and I just found out that Richard Biggs (franklin) is dead because his aorta exploded for some bullshit reason G'kar is also dead since he loved smoking. 
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Noooooooo
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white quilt posted:I have a habit of looking up the biographies of actors in tv shows and movies if they're not like big name people because I like to make sure that their career is going okay, and I just found out that Richard Biggs (franklin) is dead because his aorta exploded for some bullshit reason Amazingly enough, one of his last films was some DVD extras on the Dawn of the Dead remake. If it wasn't him doing them, I honestly can't see them being any good.
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Although Zathras is but small character within great story of Babylon 5, Zathras feels sad duty to inform all of you that Zathras is also dead. Since nobody listen to Zathras, sometimes people do not notice.
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Number_6 posted:Although Zathras is but small character within great story of Babylon 5, Zathras feels sad duty to inform all of you that Zathras is also dead. Since nobody listen to Zathras, sometimes people do not notice. Zathras is used to being beast of burden to other people's needs. Very sad life... probably have very sad death, but at least there is symmetry.
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white quilt posted:Noooooooo Yep.
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What the hell zathras is dead too?? Everything sucks forever
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white quilt posted:What the hell zathras is dead too?? Everything sucks forever Tim Choate died four months and two days after Richard Biggs. Andreas Kastulas followed about 18 months later.
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And who the heck is this new bitch? She looks like a loving romulan.
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white quilt posted:What the hell zathras is dead too?? Everything sucks forever Don't worry. He just went back. Like he always has.
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white quilt posted:And who the heck is this new bitch? She looks like a loving romulan. ...starting season 5? The telepath stuff in the first half of the season is okay. A lot of people deride it, and their criticism is somewhat valid, but the second half of the season is pure condensed awesome.
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McNerd posted:Yeah, for those of us who haven't read/watched further, what happens to him? I know this was answered, but, in a bit more detail: Survives the Telepath War. In 2271, I believe, Bester returns to Earth - completely and utterly bored with being on the run in the outer colonies, as Psi Corp was disbanded following the Telepath War, replaced by a more friendly Metasensory Bureau. On Earth, Bester settles in Paris under the alias 'Claude Kaufman'. There he meets a woman, Louise, and puts his old life behind him, becoming a literary critic. Bester is, however, infected with what is implied to be Edgars' telepath virus and this allows Garabaldi, still the head of Edgars Industries, to track him down. Bester is warned by one of his moles in the Bureau, but it's not enough. Louise finds out who he really is and Bester, not believing that she would flee with him like she says she would, carves himself out of her mind. He proceeds to completely break down and, as he attempts to flee Paris, is tagged with a dart filled with the sleeper drug. Shortly, Garabaldi tracks him down in an alley way. They fight and both get pretty badly hurt - Garabaldi is younger but Bester is smarter and meaner. Garabaldi wins - he had his telepathic 'asimov' removed by Lyta. Bester tells Garabaldi to kill him but Garabaldi knows that that'd make him no different. Sure, he's hurt Garabaldi a whole bunch, but Garabaldi wasn't about to deny all the other people Bester hurt justice just to satisfy himself. Bester is put on trial. He defends himself saying that the telepath war had already begun prior to his birth, with the pogroms, hate crimes and mass killings. More to the point, those crimes are still on going as of his trial. He says that everything Earth has done has been to make it easier to recognise a telepath and, therefore, make it easier to hurt them. Bester says that the true telepath war is still coming. His only regret was what he did to Louise and considers her the only person he truly killed. He also expects Sheridan to come to his trial and defend him. Bester is found guilty of crimes against Humanity and put on sleepers for the rest of his life. He composes his memoirs in a prison the 'teeptown' ghetto. Sheridan dies while Bester is in prison. During his time in prison, the EA constructs a statue to the two leaders of the original telepath resistance, Matthew and Fiona Dexter, with a child in their arms. The child is Steven Dexter who would eventually become, due to the death of his parents and an 'adoption' by Psi Corp, Alfred Bester. Bester finally accepts the truth about his heritage and laughs at the irony of it all - that their symbol of a bright, new future only immortalises one of the demons of the old. Smiling, Bester goes to lie down to sleep, wondering whether he should put that tidbit into his memoirs. He has a dream of his crippled hand opening and wriggling his fingers in delight. He dies in his sleep. quote:The context of course is that Bester has practically unlimited power to mentally manipulate other humans. It's understandable that such a power could make one somewhat maniacal. You're not treating people as pawns, they naturally ARE pawns to you. You can make their brains do pretty much whatever you want and they have no power to resist. It can be done, it's just very stressful. The thing to remember about Bester is that he is probably the most powerful P12 in Psi Corp. He did, what, over a dozen deathbed scans? The dude is tough as nails. quote:Also: We know that humands got telepaths because of Vorlon meddling, and Narns lost there's because of half Shadow meddling/half their own persecution (I think...I know they hunted them down, but I seem to recall something about the Shadows influencing that?) But what about Minbari and Centauri telepaths? Are they naturally occurring? All telepaths were created by the Vorlons. The short story, The Nautilus Coil, goes into a bit of detail.
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ConfusedUs posted:...starting season 5?
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white quilt posted:Yeah, i just started season five. So far i'm not liking the new lady and the group of refugee telepaths. They pretty much suck forever, and the new captain isn't very good. On the other hand, after the first few episodes of 5th season settle down the quality goes back up noticeably. There's some fine material in there what with the Londo and G'karing still going on. Maybe not 4th season good all told, but you'll still get some fine additions to the overall story. And at the very least the finale, filmed at and mostly for the end of 4th season, is particularly good.
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ThaGhettoJew posted:They pretty much suck forever, and the new captain isn't very good. On the other hand, after the first few episodes of 5th season settle down the quality goes back up noticeably. There's some fine material in there what with the Londo and G'karing still going on. Maybe not 4th season good all told, but you'll still get some fine additions to the overall story. And at the very least the finale, filmed at and mostly for the end of 4th season, is particularly good. Sheridan's swearing-in is still pretty awesome.
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The first half of season 5 was made up on the spot because they unexpectedly got renewed. The original plan was for five seasons, but it looked like they were only getting four so the entire Earth storyline was compressed and finished in season four. So JMS had to figure out something to do in the gap. By about the midpoint of season five it's back to the original plan and just as good as anything else in the show. Personally I didn't like the first half of season 5 the first time I watched the show, but on rewatching I've come to appreciate it more. Still not up to the same quality but JMS didn't have ten years to think about it and outline it, either.
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ConfusedUs posted:The telepath stuff in the first half of the season is okay. A lot of people deride it, and their criticism is somewhat valid, but the second half of the season is pure condensed awesome. Remember the lead telepath from the underground railroad episode ? The guy with a bit of a weird accent and not quite right physically ? The telepath story line is a lot more tolerable if you can mentally swap Byron for him.
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mllaneza posted:Remember the lead telepath from the underground railroad episode ? The guy with a bit of a weird accent and not quite right physically ? The telepath story line is a lot more tolerable if you can mentally swap Byron for him. I still think they should have gotten the telepath Harriman Gray from Eyes. Well I might just want him to come back since he was played by Jeffery Combs.
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bobkatt013 posted:Well I might just want him to come back since he was played by Jeffery Combs. Anything to give that man more work. Wait, Coombs was in that ? drat, I didn't pick up on him on DS9 until a few years later and didn't recognize him under the makeup.
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mllaneza posted:Anything to give that man more work. He was also awesome as the Question.
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bobkatt013 posted:He was also awesome as the Question. That I had spotted, and yes he was. He had the advantage of really superior dialogue in that one.
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So telepaths in Babylon 5 are basically Harry Potter wizards, where you're either born a member of the magical master race or you're an evolutionary dead end and you never ever get to ride unicorns or shoot fireballs or go to the magical wizard village with the big-titted barwitch. Mundanes don't hate you, Gothhair McTelepath, we're just sad because we can't read minds.
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Goddamn I could not care any less about this dude's pack of refugees. Please tell me more about how much it sucks to literally be Charles Xavier, you long-haired vagina. We've got more important things to worry about, like galactic politics. As in running the entire  loving  galaxy 
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Rewatching the show it's pretty great that Sheridan's very first scene sees him saying the phrase 'I sent it straight to hell!'
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white quilt posted:Anna Sheridan is a HOMEWRECKER Going back a bit, but after rewatching Z'ha'dum, to be fair, it wasn't entirely her fault.
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True, but she went and hosed up Delenn and Sheridan's happy world. Their love is all they have, man, everything else just sucks. And then his other romulan wife shows up and fucks with poo poo again. Just leave them alone, world
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What exactly was the point of making Lochley yet another ex-wife of Sheridan's? In other words, what was the story-importance? I learned to ignore that character so well, I've forgotten all the details.
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