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They realized how boring she is. "I have to do this my way"
Cryptozoology fucked around with this message at Jan 31, 2011 around 03:54 |
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I think it was supposed to be some bullshit about how he knew she wouldn't be intimidated by his position, and that even if they didn't always agree he could always trust her.
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| # ? Jan 31, 2011 06:20 |
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Yayyyy, Byron's dead! Also, I think Garibaldi just transformed into a space terrorist.
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| # ? Jan 31, 2011 07:02 |
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white quilt posted:Yayyyy, Byron's dead!
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| # ? Jan 31, 2011 07:13 |
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Honest and for true??
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| # ? Jan 31, 2011 07:43 |
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white quilt posted:Honest and for true?? Yes and yes.
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| # ? Jan 31, 2011 08:37 |
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white quilt posted:Honest and for true?? Let's put it like this: There's a lot of Londo.
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| # ? Jan 31, 2011 10:27 |
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Lycus posted:What exactly was the point of making Lochley yet another ex-wife of Sheridan's? In other words, what was the story-importance? I learned to ignore that character so well, I've forgotten all the details. You'll notice that Sheridan has been married three times: to a warrior, to a scientist (a worker, if you will) and to a member of the religious caste. Not sure how important that's supposed to be, but there you go.
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Calculus Man posted:You'll notice that Sheridan has been married three times: to a warrior, to a scientist (a worker, if you will) and to a member of the religious caste. Not sure how important that's supposed to be, but there you go.  The little things that you don't notice, even after watching it repeatedly!
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General Emergency posted:Let's put it like this: There's a lot of Londo. The "pew pew pew" was what pulled me in, but Londo was what made me watch it over and over and over again. That and the fact that I still notice new things every time I watch it. Like what Calculus Man said up there. Holky gently caress. It's so obvious now that you mention it. Thanks, man.
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Calculus Man posted:You'll notice that Sheridan has been married three times: to a warrior, to a scientist (a worker, if you will) and to a member of the religious caste. Not sure how important that's supposed to be, but there you go. Fuuuuuuuuuuck. Good catch, I hadn't even thought of that!
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| # ? Feb 1, 2011 06:44 |
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white quilt posted:Goddamn I could not care any less about this dude's pack of refugees. Please tell me more about how much it sucks to literally be Charles Xavier, you long-haired vagina. Charles Xavier claims that being Charles Xavier is kind of sucky too, you know. The telepath cult in S5 is very similar in theme, obviously, to that of the X-men (about being the other in society and what that represents) but I'd say that the Byron version of events is much a much better treatment of the theme, and also much more realistic because of how the group collapses into a cult of personality rather than being about the message. It's also a very realistic depiction of cults. The main problem with it is that Robin Atken Downes is far, far too pretty and people take an instant dislike to hm because he's too perfect. Also he gets Lyta. If he was played by the guy who played the Underground Leader in Race Through Dark Places that would be much better, although you wouldn't have the pub quiz question "What links Team Fortress 2, Meet the Spartans and Babylon 5".
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| # ? Feb 1, 2011 09:29 |
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Hey, just popping in to say, hello favorite TV show of all time!  I have to admit, I still don't re-watch the telepath episodes when going through B5. Partially it's because they're dull, but it's also because they come immediately before some vastly superior episodes, and I want to get to those instead. Londo's character arc is so amazing--I can't put it off for Byronage.
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Wait, so as a newcomer I'm supposed to start with "Midnight on the Firing Line" instead of "The Gathering"?
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| # ? Feb 1, 2011 14:51 |
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Admiral Goodenough posted:Wait, so as a newcomer I'm supposed to start with "Midnight on the Firing Line" instead of "The Gathering"?
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| # ? Feb 1, 2011 14:56 |
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Admiral Goodenough posted:Wait, so as a newcomer I'm supposed to start with "Midnight on the Firing Line" instead of "The Gathering"? The Gathering has some significant production changes (eg Delenn was an androgyne in The Gathering, definitely female in the series proper) that means that you have to readapt to a lot of stuff if you watch it first and everything significant that's covered is either mentioned or rehashed later. Start with Midnight, definitely. You do miss out on seeing one of the main antagonists for the programme be an extra in the bridge, though!
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MrL_JaKiri posted:The Gathering has some significant production changes (eg Delenn was an androgyne in The Gathering, definitely female in the series proper) that means that you have to readapt to a lot of stuff if you watch it first and everything significant that's covered is either mentioned or rehashed later. Thanks for the clarification. I know absolutely nothing about the show, but I've heard so many great things about it I felt it was about time I gave it a try 
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MrL_JaKiri posted:The Gathering has some significant production changes (eg Delenn was an androgyne in The Gathering, definitely female in the series proper) that means that you have to readapt to a lot of stuff if you watch it first and everything significant that's covered is either mentioned or rehashed later. They also managed to have an even worse actor play the Ivanova equivilent. Honestly if I had started watching B5 with The Gathering I don't think I would have continued, it was high school play bad (although I do feel, and maybe it's not the popular opinion, that the acting on the show is generally atrotious except for Londo/G'Kar, and it's the story that saves it).
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That is the popular opinion, I'd say, apart from some people loving the JS shouty bits. I don't think the acting was that bad. Some of it was so understated as to be almost wooden (Good old Jeff) but I think it generally worked in context once you got past some of the teething troubles like trying to have Claudia Christian put on a Russiany accent which just sounds stupid. Oh, and for the Admiral Londo G'Kar Minbari Narn Delenn Lennier Ivonova I think those are the commonly misspelled words that people would correct you about so learn them first to save time  [edit] Laurel Takashima (the original first officer) would have been a good character but the actress wasn't really up to much. Still, she survives as an overly expensive card in the CCG. MrL_JaKiri fucked around with this message at Feb 1, 2011 around 17:31 |
| # ? Feb 1, 2011 17:20 |
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MrL_JaKiri posted:
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| # ? Feb 1, 2011 17:41 |
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MrL_JaKiri posted:That is the popular opinion, I'd say, apart from some people loving the JS shouty bits. I actually liked Sheridan, the two clear weak links in terms of acting ability were Ivanova and Delenn. Ivanova just delivered everything so stiffly, and her big speech at the end was just dreadful, worse than phoning it in. Delenn on the other hand could be okay for her everyday lines, but could not show emotion at all. Her "angry" and "sad" emotions were particularly jarring, because it's mostly her just standing there with her mouth open gasping, and again, all of her big dramatic speeches had wierd timing and didn't seem genuine to me. Meanwhile, guys who are only around for a bit like Marcus and Morden hit it out of the park.
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MrL_JaKiri posted:You do miss out on seeing one of the main antagonists for the programme be an extra in the bridge, though! Perhaps I should actually watch it. I think I totally forgot about it during my run-through.
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Hard Clumping posted:Ivanova I was thinking too hard of the way that ISN anchor kept on saying it "Ivavnovna" et al
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| # ? Feb 1, 2011 17:59 |
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Palleon posted:Delenn on the other hand could be okay for her everyday lines, but could not show emotion at all. Her "angry" and "sad" emotions were particularly jarring, because it's mostly her just standing there with her mouth open gasping, and again, all of her big dramatic speeches had wierd timing and didn't seem genuine to me. I didn't like her big dramatic lines (like the "he is behind me" line), but I think she does emotion well. She certainly sells it in Sleeping in Light.
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MrL_JaKiri posted:I didn't like her big dramatic lines (like the "he is behind me" line), but I think she does emotion well. She certainly sells it in Sleeping in Light. It seemed to me like she was stage acting (especially in Sleeping in Light), which looks weird when you're watching it on TV. Maybe that's a stylistic choice that they made, a few other characters seemed like they were acting out a play more than a TV show. They would wildly over-gesticulate and over-exaggerate other motions like they had to make sure that you could see what was going on even in the back.
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Frankly, I thought Furlan was one of the strong points. I thought she sold it completely. Lennier, however, seemed like a guy in makeup. Now, Mumy is an awesome guy and a better actor than most on the show (though Jurasik was definitely the strongest), but he just hit me as a Star Trek style alien poser. However, I'm a live theater fan, so I like a lot of Nicholas Cage's acting unironically, too, soooooo....
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| # ? Feb 1, 2011 18:10 |
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One of my favorite aspects about B5 is the short retrospective at the end of each episode where characters reflect on what just transpired. It's a little jarring to go back to episodes of Star Trek where sometimes the conflict is resolved right before the credits roll.
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Some of the best Trek episodes shared that retrospective element at the end. God, I'm gonna end up doing another re-watch of B5, I can just feel it. Not that that's a bad thing.
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| # ? Feb 1, 2011 18:49 |
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I think you scrublords will find that Delenn owns bones. Particularly mine.  that smile
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| # ? Feb 1, 2011 18:54 |
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MrL_JaKiri posted:I didn't like her big dramatic lines (like the "he is behind me" line), That's funny. That's one of my favorite scenes/speeches in the entire show.
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| # ? Feb 1, 2011 19:13 |
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Miss Fats posted:That's funny. That's one of my favorite scenes/speeches in the entire show. Both the writing and the performance are just off enough for me to undermine the entire thing.
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| # ? Feb 1, 2011 19:20 |
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Miss Fats posted:That's funny. That's one of my favorite scenes/speeches in the entire show. Loved the words, loved the timing of that scene, hated the delivery.
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| # ? Feb 1, 2011 19:23 |
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I think Ivanova's strengths are in the more muted moments. The scene of her explaining to Talia what the Psi-Corps did to her mother in Midnight on the Firing Line's the best part of the episode to me.
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| # ? Feb 1, 2011 19:26 |
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Ivanova gets the two cringiest parts in the whole of B5: the sex dance thing and the "God sent me" speech.
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| # ? Feb 1, 2011 20:43 |
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Tsaedje posted:Ivanova gets the two cringiest parts in the whole of B5: the sex dance thing and the "God sent me" speech. Yeah, I disliked the "God sent me" speech enough that I gave a little cheer when she gets spanked in the face with a chunk of spaceship five minutes later.
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| # ? Feb 1, 2011 21:23 |
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Really wish they had ended her right there and let Marcus survive. Such a waste since she left the show the next season and we lost an great comic relief character also.
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| # ? Feb 1, 2011 21:43 |
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Agent brinksmanship to the detriment of both sides. That's showbusiness!
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| # ? Feb 1, 2011 21:46 |
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I'm going to start my re-watch of Babylon 5 soon. I already started my DS9 watch through. Watching both at the same time: Great idea or greatest idea?
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| # ? Feb 1, 2011 21:47 |
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You get to balance B5's severe underacting with Avery Brook's severe overacting. I guess when combined, you get perfect acting!
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| # ? Feb 1, 2011 21:59 |
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Palleon posted:You get to balance B5's severe underacting with Avery Brook's severe overacting. I guess when combined, you get perfect acting! Now I want to hear Boxleitner scream "IT'S REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAL!!!"
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