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Blindeye posted:If I'm remembering right though someone worked out from the space battles approximate yields of weapons in the B5 universe. Since we *know* typical nukes are 500 megatons we can be safe to assume B5 nukes are vastly overpowered compared to a typical tactical nuke with 1/1000th the yield. Armor based on scales of debris was estimated at ~11 feet thick in places, and the main beam weapons of Omegas is estimated at a quarter-kiloton of power per second on target. If an Omega can snipe galactica at range kinetic interceptor weapons would be useless and the ship could be crippled. There was an old banner ad that had Sheridan and Adama on it, but I don't have a copy of it. The better question is: Could Johnny Sheridan take Bill Adama in a fist fight? As we see in the show, Sheridan's no slouch when it comes to fisticuffs... but Bill Adama is tough as nails.
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Milky Moor posted:There was an old banner ad that had Sheridan and Adama on it, but I don't have a copy of it. Easy. They would fight until they both were so exhausted they couldn't fight any longer. Then they'd laugh their asses off and share a bottle of whatever liquor was close at hand.
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Milky Moor posted:The better question is: Could Johnny Sheridan take Bill Adama in a fist fight? As we see in the show, Sheridan's no slouch when it comes to fisticuffs... but Bill Adama is tough as nails. No way. In the ring, Adama would destroy Sheridan. Outside that, though Sheridan would pull some kind of scheme on Adama and even the score.
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tastychicken posted:The Narn do not have artificial gravity. Notice how they're strapped down on the bridge of that Narn cruiser. That's the only reason they don't go flying all over the place when doing crazy maneuvers. Ahhh, I never noticed they were strapped in. I just assumed that the lack of spinning sections, and being mostly stolen Centauri technology, that they had artificial gravity. I still gotta wonder how all the races that DO have artificial gravity (which seems to be drat near everyone but Humans* and Narn) felt about a big space station that has to constantly spin to make gravity. I mean...that would be like someone deciding to build the UN out of mud and sticks. *I know they eventually do get it, but for most of the show they didn't.
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I think it's more that they didn't want to give anyone artificial gravity technology if they could possibly help it, so just grinned and bared it.
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Minbari - Humans not entirely equal, but similar to Vulcans - Humans They didn't GIVE humans anything besides some back-seat parenting. Humans had to earn Warp 5! edit: And in Babylon 5 they had to earn artificial gravity. I think they got it out of necessity when developing the Victory-class destroyer. tastychicken fucked around with this message at Jan 13, 2011 around 16:52 |
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Milky Moor posted:There was an old banner ad that had Sheridan and Adama on it, but I don't have a copy of it. Banner, hmmm?  Oh, look what I found lying around:   Everyone likes explosions, right?
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DrBouvenstein posted:Well, the Narn are a bit ahead (they have artificial gravity, and their fighters, like Centauri and Minbari, can "bank," which is technically impossible in space, but I think the in-universe explanation has something to do with projecting mini gravity wells or something, I don't know.) Aaaaaanyway, Sheridan would totally knock Adama straight to the shitter. He's got the reach, the age, the looks - and at least one ace in the hole. Man's always got an ace in the hole. And Adama might just end up finding that ace in his hole.
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Habibi posted:Yeah I've been beaten to the response already, but Narn does lag behind. Maybe around the time of the Human / Minbari war (and before EA built the Omega) they were closee, but the Narn also don't have nearly the same resources (what with their planet having been raped and pillaged). Not sure if you knew this, but the Narn never achieved space-flight pre-Centauri occupation. What they have is stolen and retrofitted Centauri equipment. But this isn't the first time they had visits from above. The Shadows dropped by to wipe out all their Mindwalkers during the First Galactic Sibling Squabble (i.e. The Shadow War)  Habibi posted:Aaaaaanyway, Sheridan would totally knock Adama straight to the shitter. He's got the reach, the age, the looks - and at least one ace in the hole. Man's always got an ace in the hole. And Adama might just end up finding that ace in his hole. Is this a nod to Sheridan's Up Yours?
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tastychicken posted:Not sure if you knew this, but the Narn never achieved space-flight pre-Centauri occupation. What they have is stolen and retrofitted Centauri equipment.  quote:Is this a nod to Sheridan's Up Yours?
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I hate B5 vs anything else discussions. Star Wars and Trek are amusing to do vs discussions about because their tech makes no logical sense but in different ways. Star Wars ships are super big and fast, Trek ships have magic like integrity fields, transporters, and replicators. Likewise, Galactica tech makes no sense. They are limited to practically modern day weapons but have armor that can withstand nukes, warp drive, and REALLY loving advanced robotics and bioengineering. B5 human tech, on the other hand, makes a lot of sense. Macro scale engineering, warp technology, and beam weapons are pretty much the only big things they have that we don't.
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Yeah, B5 is the only scifi series out of the big ones mentioned that is actually grounded in some way.
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DrBouvenstein posted:I still gotta wonder how all the races that DO have artificial gravity (which seems to be drat near everyone but Humans* and Narn) felt about a big space station that has to constantly spin to make gravity. I mean...that would be like someone deciding to build the UN out of mud and sticks. I always equated B5 tech tree's to that of a 4x game and that the Narns were just using a different branch. Always a shame they didn't do a true 4x on B5, yeah I know about the mod, but it deserved a game.
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MrL_JaKiri posted:Yeah, B5 is the only scifi series out of the big ones mentioned that is actually grounded in some way. But then you completely throw that away with the more advanced races and psi magic. I liked the psi magic though. I liked the nonsensical conversation held to imprint Talia's personality or whatever. It's a shame they never picked up that plot thread afterward.
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DrBouvenstein posted:Ahhh, I never noticed they were strapped in. I just assumed that the lack of spinning sections, and being mostly stolen Centauri technology, that they had artificial gravity. Well, strapping in people on board a combat warship isn't exactly a bad idea even with artificial gravity. It could get knocked out, it might take a second to readjust after a bad hit, and you certainly don't want people flying around and hitting their heads on conveniently placed consoles which would then explode in a shower of sparks.
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Nathilus posted:But then you completely throw that away with the more advanced races and psi magic Telepathy is actually one of the things that I'd have as an example of what I said, rather than the opposite. It didn't evolve naturally, it was genetically engineered by a higher technology.
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MrL_JaKiri posted:Telepathy is actually one of the things that I'd have as an example of what I said, rather than the opposite. It didn't evolve naturally, it was genetically engineered by a higher technology.
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tastychicken posted:Easy. Orange juice. 
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Lycus posted:Well, using higher technology to genetically engineer telepathy is about as grounded as using it to genetically engineer the ability to fly like Superman. Maybe. It's at least an attempt to ground it instead of just going WOOO MAGIC POWERS.
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Doctor Zero posted:Maybe. It's at least an attempt to ground it instead of just going WOOO MAGIC POWERS.
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Lycus posted:Yeah, it's more grounded than Gandalf, but I don't buy it as an example of grounded sci-fi. I did say grounded out of the programmes mentioned. It's obviously not hard scifi but there is a lot more care and attention paid to scientific details than there is in the other franchises mentioned (Star Trek, Star Wars, BSG).
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MrL_JaKiri posted:I did say grounded out of the programmes mentioned. It's obviously not hard scifi but there is a lot more care and attention paid to scientific details than there is in the other franchises mentioned (Star Trek, Star Wars, BSG). And the fact that Babylon 5 includes a little magi-science doesn't negatively impact my opinion of the show. Lycus fucked around with this message at Jan 13, 2011 around 23:56 |
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Lycus posted:Oops, I'm sorry, I was specifically talking about the telepathy there. I don't disagree with your overall point, I just don't agree that the show's version of telepathy is an example of it. Yeah, with B5, you're pretty much supposed to assume the whole idea of magic means uncomprehendingly-advanced technology.
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I think the only thing I would accept as a "grounded sci-fi" example of telepathy would be through the use of neural implants. Anything else is magi-science.
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Lycus posted:I think the only thing I would accept as a "grounded sci-fi" example of telepathy would be through the use of neural implants. Anything else is magi-science. Having it as a result of bio-engineering is more realistic than just having it appear. With telepathy, I just like the way that certifiable telepaths just appeared, rather than giving any credence to any current quacks.
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Just read the whole thread and was inspired to start rewatching the whole series. On A Voice in the Wilderness Part 1, two thoughts: The news about the Martian civil war reports someone saying that the sands of Mars will "run red with Earther blood." Sure it sounds cool...but isn't that a little redundant? Second, Londo's rant against the Hokey Pokey is loving epic.
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Lycus posted:I think the only thing I would accept as a "grounded sci-fi" example of telepathy would be through the use of neural implants. Anything else is magi-science. Well not necessarily. Considering just about all Vorlon technology is organic anyway, wouldn't they make humans grow an extra bit in their brain that works like an electronic neural implant? They can bioengineer 50 mile long spaceship capable of destroying entire planets, you'd think tinkering with a monkeys genetics to make it grow a phone in it's head would be easy enough. Doesn't explain telekinesis though or how a telepath can read the mind of a non-telepath, or how telekinesis is supposed to work, or how a telepath can suddenly summon force fields and turn into a being of pure energy and fly away into hyperspace or... gently caress, I guess it's just magi-science.
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General Emergency posted:Well not necessarily. Considering just about all Vorlon technology is organic anyway, wouldn't they make humans grow an extra bit in their brain that works like an electronic neural implant? They can bioengineer 50 mile long spaceship capable of destroying entire planets, you'd think tinkering with a monkeys genetics to make it grow a phone in it's head would be easy enough. I'm sure when Humanity has been around for a million years we won't have to explain our space magic to primitive beasts either.
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Ensign_Ricky posted:Just read the whole thread and was inspired to start rewatching the whole series. HAHA! I actually thought exactly the same thing when I first saw that. I'm just glad they didn't say "The red sands of Mars...". Also, pretty much everything Londo says makes me smile, even though overall I don't think I'm supposed to really like him.
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MrL_JaKiri posted:Telepathy is actually one of the things that I'd have as an example of what I said, rather than the opposite. It didn't evolve naturally, it was genetically engineered by a higher technology. I was talking more about the advanced levels of psi in the series bleeding into and becoming space magic. Beyond a certain psi level the laws of time and space don't seem to matter to you much anymore and you can just do whatever the gently caress you want. Up to P12 things make sense but anything beyond that is a crap shoot, really. Like that guy who got too super powerful and full on ascended SG1 style. I think he was Talia's boyfriend or something? I forget. Also, to be fair the sands of Mars are pretty drat orange.
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NecronSchmecron posted:Also, pretty much everything Londo says makes me smile, even though overall I don't think I'm supposed to really like him. You're not supposed to like Londo? Him and G'Kar are the 2 best characters in the whole show.
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FairGame posted:You're not supposed to like Londo? Him and G'Kar are the 2 best characters in the whole show. I'm guessing because he doesn't lift a finger when it comes to genocide? I will stand by your statement that they are definitely the best characters on the shoe.
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Ensign_Ricky posted:The news about the Martian civil war reports someone saying that the sands of Mars will "run red with Earther blood." Sure it sounds cool...but isn't that a little redundant? Mars isn't really very red. ed: well, all Mars iamges are false-colour, really, but it's a chuckup for blueish/redish. Kerbtree fucked around with this message at Jan 14, 2011 around 14:53 |
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NecronSchmecron posted:I'm guessing because he doesn't lift a finger when it comes to genocide? I will stand by your statement that they are definitely the best characters on the shoe. How far in are you?
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Pretty far (season 5), but I tend to forget things  I know he's made up for it all. I'm still bitter about the Narn homeworld I suppose. It's hard for me to forgive a character for shaking hands with a man, making amends, and then go and bomb his home.
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The thing about Londo, I think, is that you're supposed to like him, but you're also supposed to feel somewhere on the scale of 'vaguely uncomfortable' to 'bad' that you do like him.
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neongrey posted:The thing about Londo, I think, is that you're supposed to like him, but you're also supposed to feel somewhere on the scale of 'vaguely uncomfortable' to 'bad' that you do like him. This describes my feelings towards him perfectly. To me, that's a sign of a well written character.
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NecronSchmecron posted:This describes my feelings towards him perfectly. To me, that's a sign of a well written character. What people tend to forget about Londo Mollari is that he has always felt like he's a passenger in his own life. He already know how he's going to die. He's being used, most of the time. Season 1 Mollari was arrogant and unwittingly ignorant. But Mr. Morden's gift did raise a question or two from him. You know already there that he's perceptive. Season 2 Mollari was on the verge of seeing his errors, but he soon became corrupt when he felt power again. He had some theories on who Mr. Morden was working for, but still nothing solid. The end of the season just confirmed what Londo already knew. Season 3 Mollari finally began to feel the threat the power he had wielded really represented. He resisted it, and payed a dear price for it. This is where he really began to repent. But he wasn't done paying the price just yet. Season 4 Mollari did his very, very best to save his people. He had seen the error if his ways now. He was working as hard as he could to make things as good as he could. He was still paying a heavy price for his actions. Season 5 Mollari was a puppet, unfortunately. Fate had caught up with him, and the events which lead to his demise unfolded just as he had seen them happen throughout his entire life. And my god, what a price that man payed for his sins. Mollari appologist 4 lyfe! 
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Season three is owning even harder than season two.
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Q_res posted:this might actually be worse than people that misspell Minbari as Mimbari. There is, at least, a documented linguistic reason for that one: because "n" before "b" frequently assimilates to "m". Ontopic, I always felt Londo was a character the audience could feel sympathetic to (who hasn't sometimes let bad things happen because they did nothing? Maybe not on the scale of attempted genocide, but still...), but still being someone the audience could hate. Really, they should have just called this the Londo and G'Kar show and been done with it.
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