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NO ONE TOLD ME THERE WAS A NEW THREAD! I guess I'll make my usual post: Brokeback Babylon - a new film detailing the greatest relationship in Sci-Fi History. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gyvuf29gUnY
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| # ¿ Jul 14, 2010 22:24 |
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| # ¿ May 25, 2013 21:59 |
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MrL_JaKiri posted:Pretty sure that JMS changed this of his own volition when he thought of something better You can see the Androgene in the pilot movie. You weren't supposed to be able to tell if she was a she and they were going to modulate her voice as well. Then JMS decided it looked to weird and didn't work so they scrapped it. code:
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| # ¿ Aug 25, 2010 15:47 |
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The hardest part about getting people into this show is Season 1. Most shows, you can skip around here and there and introduce people in at episodes you know they'll enjoy. Babylon 5 is such an elaborately crafted story that it's unfair to deny people the payoff that comes from watching Season 1 unspoilered. First of all, JMS has such a good idea of where the story would eventually go, there are throw away lines or plot elements or characters littered throughout Season 1 that you won't find significant and may ignore until, for instance, Season 4 when the implication of that one line is revealed and your mind explodes. So, power through season 1 because the payoff is great. I think cough medicine is a good analogy: it tastes like poo poo for now but it pays off if you can swallow it.
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| # ¿ Aug 31, 2010 18:43 |
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Eugenic posted:Thank you for all of your helpful insight. It made me think back to watching S1 of Farscape where it was original (having not watched B5), fun, but merely pretty good overall. Though it only took one episode with the introduction of one character (I agree he is the best sci-fi villain) to launch the show into the stratosphere of sci-fi greatness. I guess I have not yet reached that episode and am glad to hear that it does get better than Star Trek. If it makes you feel any better, I've tried at least twice now to watch Farscape and I can never make it past the first few episodes. I think there's one with a magician or something that reminds me of an episode of Are You Afraid of the Dark?
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| # ¿ Sep 1, 2010 15:32 |
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Eugenic posted:If that was the image they were going for, then they hit the nail on the head perfectly. Yes, Londo was a stuck in the past and was very flashy and flamboyant because that's basically all he had. As he started to become more powerful and more serious in Centauri politics, his colors became more muted. Compare his coat in Season 4 with Season 1. His very dark blue jacket is much better looking than the bright purple one. There's even a funny scene where Londo goes out to see the Shadow vessels flying overhead Centauri prime like in his vision in Season 1. But that scene was filmed in season 1 while he was wearing the bright purple jacket, so he was in his room getting ready to put his jacket on and had a line to the effect of "MY good jacket is at the cleaners. I guess I'll have to wear this old purple one."
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| # ¿ Sep 6, 2010 01:11 |
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I've had discussions about interstellar politics and the Narnians.
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| # ¿ Sep 6, 2010 13:44 |
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Here's one thing I just remembered that really bugged me while I was watching S2E1 last night. Sheridan comes to take command of B5, and the Minbari are all pissed off because he blew up their ship in the war. The whole show they make a big deal of this and how he's such an offensive person to the Minbari, and the humans are just trying to piss them off and can't we all just get along? Ok, I get it. They're very sensitive about Sheridan because he blew up one of their ships, but no one (of importance, especially minbari) seem to think about how the Minbari nearly genocided the entire Human race because they killed one minbari. It's absurd. The whole time Sheridan is walking on Eggshells because he blew up their ship, and yet no one seems to acknowledge WHY he blew up their ship. 
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| # ¿ Sep 7, 2010 16:02 |
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So explain to us how it's self sustaining then?
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| # ¿ Sep 11, 2010 20:54 |
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Daimo posted:250,000 taxpayers. If a government made up of a billions of taxpayers thinks the constant maintenance and defense of B5 is too expensive, I doubt 250,000 taxpayers with no way to actually make money would disagree.
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| # ¿ Sep 11, 2010 22:38 |
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B5 isn't entirely funded by docking fees. It's at a loss for revenue, I would imagine. The costs being picked up by the governments that have representatives there. Take away that need and no government will want to fund it. Not to mention, there's no reason for traders to go there anymore what with the ISA and open trade policies. So now, there are barely any people coming to B5 which means no way to generate revenue through taxes and tariffs. There's no money to pay for the incredibly expensive imports (look what Garibaldi had to do for his Banya cauda) and they have nothing to export. It's not a planet, you can't build on it. It's not a planet, it requires constant maintenance. I do not think there's much way to sustain a place like this. Towns on earth die all the time because the major highways, etc. they are situated on are diverted. When there's no one coming through, money dries up and people move away. Besides, it's not like B5 is particularly rich. Look at all the lurkers.
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| # ¿ Sep 11, 2010 22:45 |
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Daimo posted:Are there 250,000 people with no need to make money in today's world? Where do they live? I feel like you're making my argument here. There's no way for people on B5 to make money, so they wouldn't live there. It's as simple as that. Even with the governments supporting it and tons of money from the docking fees, B5 had thousands of lurkers/homeless because they got to B5 and had no way to make money.
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| # ¿ Sep 11, 2010 22:50 |
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Someone already mentioned this but: Everyone already left. There was no one left besides Zach and that crazy looking janitor. There were no ultra rich who wanted to live there.
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| # ¿ Sep 11, 2010 23:22 |
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The thing that really makes this show great for me are the small touches and background that went into the plot that 99% of people will never pick up on. Finding this stuff out really makes this show top notch for me. For instance, I always found it odd in the Prequel movie that these two young kids are running throughout the palace practically unabated. They never really explain who they are but it seems very unlikely they are Londo's relations. He never much talks about any family beyond his wife(ves) whom he doesn't seem to have any children with. Anyway, after looking up some stuff, I finally discovered who the children were. They were the descendants of Ursa Jaddo, the friend that Londo kills in a duel in Season 2. Ursa was being declared a traitor by Reefa's faction, and his family would be outcast. He intentionally lost to his good friend Londo because by Centauri law, the victor must accept the loser's family as his own, making Ursa's family now House Mollari and basically untouchable by Reefa. The children running around the palace were the grandchildren of Ursa Jaddo. Londo upheld his promise. I think I've mentioned this before but it really strikes me as an extra step most shows don't take.
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| # ¿ Sep 13, 2010 04:40 |
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Kerbtree posted:Er, is this pulled from one of the books or something? Yes. Shadows began messing with the races a long time ago just like the vorlons. One of their projects was to insert bioengineered (organic?) implants into select individuals/races. These implants gave the implanted magic-like powers and abilities. Eventually they kind of became their own society out from under the shadows' influence. They went into hiding before the last great war (Geometry of Shadows in S2) because they didn't want their powers and tech to fall into the wrong hands. A few like Galen stayed behind. Galen, from the sequel series is one of the most powerful technomages in existence. According to unaired/never filmed episodes, Earth was experimenting with similar technology on their own people toward the end of the earth civil war or something. I've never read the books/etc. so I'm just giving you the summary of the wiki.
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| # ¿ Jan 27, 2011 20:41 |
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white quilt posted:Noooooooo Yep. 
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| # ¿ Jan 28, 2011 06:47 |
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I think it was supposed to be some bullshit about how he knew she wouldn't be intimidated by his position, and that even if they didn't always agree he could always trust her.
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| # ¿ Jan 31, 2011 06:20 |
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MrL_JaKiri posted:I didn't like her big dramatic lines (like the "he is behind me" line), That's funny. That's one of my favorite scenes/speeches in the entire show.
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| # ¿ Feb 1, 2011 19:13 |
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did you cry?
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| # ¿ Feb 5, 2011 06:52 |
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I always choke up during the toasts when they mention Londo and G'kar and Marcus. But yea, the only continuity "errors" are dropped plotlines due to O'Hare's leaving the show. For instance, it seems extremely obvious that Catherine Sakkai is replaced in the storyline by Anna Sheridan. Both are scientists/surveyors (with Sakkai having a previous run in with First Ones). Both work for questionable corporations to survey and explore unknown planets. In my mind, had Sinclair stuck around, Sakkai would have ended up at Z'ha'dum.
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| # ¿ Feb 5, 2011 19:01 |
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My shoes are too tight, but it doesn't matter, because I have forgotten how to dance.
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| # ¿ Feb 5, 2011 19:58 |
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BUT IN PURPLE, I'M STUNNING!
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| # ¿ Feb 5, 2011 20:13 |
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Teron D Amun posted:if Sinclair had stuck around the last episode would be about him going back in time aboard Babylon 4 and becoming Valen I do believe this is wrong. Since we're posting fan videos, I'll post my favorite Babylon 5 video detailing Londo and G'kar's "relationship." Spoilers. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gyvuf29gUnY
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| # ¿ Feb 6, 2011 02:59 |
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DrBouvenstein posted:As long as we're sharing B5 Youtube vids, I present (probably for the 100th time this thread) the single greatest 3 minutes in B5 history: What I always thought was neat was the backstory of the three other people with Londo: The two children are descendants of Ursa Jaddo (from the Episode where Londo kills his best friend in a duel and promises to look after his children, as is Centauri custom). Their nurse/nanny/babysitter/whatever is a from Lord Refa's family, whom Londo also took into his own house. Londo kept his promise. 
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| # ¿ Feb 6, 2011 07:29 |
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Why does that say OH HOLKY gently caress! ?? Or am I seeing it wrong?
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| # ¿ Feb 6, 2011 19:44 |
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Squalitude posted:Pretty ironic then that the Shadows were only defeated as a result of progress achieved through war, when that was meant to be their MO in the first place. Are you sure? I think you're not looking into it deeply enough. Neither the Vorlons nor the Shadows wanted empire. They didn't care about being kings. They decided to "guide" the younger races. So the Shadows' MO was never to necessarily "win" any way but instead to create war and chaos through which the great races become greater and the ailing races fall to history. The Shadows, in this sense, were never 'defeated.' They were simply driven away by the other forces. At the end of the war covered in B5, the Shadows again are never defeated. Instead they reach a stalemate and leave with the other first ones. The biggest difference between Shadows and Vorlons are this: The Shadows always begin attacking openly. The Vorlons always work in the shadows (lol). The shadows work behind the scenes, orchestrating massive wars, and then when the galaxy is in a significant enough upheaval, they begin an outright war, forcing those great races to become greater and getting rid of the ailing races along the way. I don't think it's ironic at all. I think it was all part of the plan.
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| # ¿ Feb 8, 2011 05:39 |
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I always thought the "after-the-Great-Burn" story was a bit far-fetched. It would make sense if Humans had never left Earth (e.g. if it happened today). But we can only assume that there are probably just as many humans on other colonies as there are on Earth. While several of those colonies may feel just like Marcus' (i.e. it's just a place on a star chart, who cares) there would certainly be some that felt fairly close to Earth. If any other planet was struck with war or disaster, there would be an effort to rescue refugees, wouldn't there?
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| # ¿ Feb 8, 2011 16:49 |
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My favorite Morden story is one Ed Wasser tells (the guy that plays Morden). Apparently one day a few years back he was out shopping, and went to a florist to get some flowers. He walks in and looks around until the owner comes up and says, "What do you want?" and Wasser says, "Well I was thinking about X and Y arrangement blah blah blah." and the owners says, "But what do you want?" Ed Wasser then reacted thusly:  .... 
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| # ¿ Mar 10, 2011 19:55 |
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Doctor Zero posted:They didn't leave, they were kicked out. No there isn't. You leave somewhere when you get kicked out. Also, she kicked him out. Ordering someone to leave is kicking them out. 
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| # ¿ Apr 5, 2011 00:16 |
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So I'm watching the extras on the Uncut Directors Version of the recent Dawn of the Dead remake. One of the extras is a news cast and the anchor is played by Richard Biggs, aka Dr. Steven "Stims" Franklin. What surprised me even more is that at the end of the program he basically announces that the government is giving up and it's everyone for themselves. Then he plays a pre-recorded audio message from the President of the United States... played by Bruce Nuke 'em All to Hell Boxleitner.
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| # ¿ Apr 7, 2011 06:41 |
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Jeffrey Sinclair John Sheridan Joe Straczynski
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| # ¿ May 11, 2011 23:45 |
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I'll just leave this here.
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| # ¿ Jun 3, 2011 01:57 |
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Is this your first rewatch since you saw the series originally? Sometimes I think watching it the second time is almost as good as watching it the first. You get to pick up on all the intricacies you missed the first time. I've probably watched through a dozen times, literally, and still notice something here or there. Also, I really don't think Season 1 deserves all the hate it gets. It's certainly not as good as later seasons but it's not as bad as some people (^^^^) have said.
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| # ¿ Jun 4, 2011 22:57 |
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Anyone who says Marcus is the 3rd best character on this show is dumb. What about all the Zathrases?
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| # ¿ Jun 9, 2011 01:41 |
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Do you know what the last Xon said, just before he died?
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| # ¿ Jun 10, 2011 00:19 |
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Berkeloid posted:I think you're forgetting Warren Keffer, who had so little purpose and personality that I'd barely even call him a character if he weren't listed in the opening credits. Keffer was forced onto the series by the network who wanted a dashing male character. His eventual death was JMS's revenge.
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| # ¿ Jun 10, 2011 00:20 |
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I'm thinking of thinking of calling her right after my afternoon nap. I'm thinking of thinking of sending her flowers, right after Bonnie gets back. So many fishies left in the sea, so many fishies - but no-one for me... I'm thinking of thinking of hooking a love, soon after supper is done.
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| # ¿ Jun 10, 2011 00:22 |
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AAAAAAAAAGGHHHH!
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| # ¿ Jun 10, 2011 14:14 |
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I don't know, Jerry Doyle always seemed like the douche to me.
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| # ¿ Jun 10, 2011 19:52 |
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Anybody that doesn't bawl their eyes out at the finale, especially after marathoning through the series (and doubly so if its your first time) is either inhuman or a damned liar.
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| # ¿ Sep 16, 2011 23:33 |
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| # ¿ May 25, 2013 21:59 |
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L33t_Kefka posted:I have been bored as hell lately and I am debating if I should rewatch the show for the nth time. B5 disappeared from Netflix but they have every star trek show on there so I'm powering through that. Almost through S4 of TNG. Going to watch DS9 when I get to that point in the timeline, as well as Voyager. Then probably back to B5. Of course, aside from B5, my favorite sci fi ever is Firefly. Very short (13 episodes and a movie?) and it's all on Netflix as well.
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