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rolleyes
Nov 16, 2006

Sometimes you have to roll the hard... two?
The other day I bought a box of cereal and, when I got it home, noticed it had a coupon on it. Some of the wording caught my eye:

Kellogg's posted:

It cannot be used for any other purpose and any attempt to do so may lead to delay and embarrassment at the checkout.

That's fine and all Mr Kellogg, but the kind of people who misuse coupons generally aren't the type to get embarrassed easily. They prefer to have an adult temper tantrum to let as many people as possible know that they've been 'wronged'.

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rolleyes
Nov 16, 2006

Sometimes you have to roll the hard... two?

Bobnumerotres posted:

No one seems to understand the concept of "If I spend a little more now, I'll get several times the bang out of my buck later."

It's even more amusing when you see people doing this with mattresses and beds. You spend 6-8 hours a day lying on the drat thing and getting one which doesn't suit you can result in all sorts of strange aches and pains but noooo, they want in and out of the store in 5 minutes flat having spent less than they would for a 3-course family meal.

:byodood: gently caress my long term health, I need the money for mah new flat-screen tee vee!

rolleyes
Nov 16, 2006

Sometimes you have to roll the hard... two?
Anything's better than Norton! :v:

rolleyes
Nov 16, 2006

Sometimes you have to roll the hard... two?

froglet posted:

My primary school maths teacher used to tell us that sort of thing is a dirty trick and we would need to learn to 'do it properly' for when we're in highschool. Just goes to show...

I just can't work things out in my head when put on the spot by somebody (unless it's, say 'what's 50% of [x]'). Maybe there's something wrong with me :smith:

What's "doing it properly"? Whipping out the pen and paper and doing a bit of long division? Screw that.

I'm not very good at this sort of thing either so I always resort to the 'dirty tricks'. 23% of something becomes 10% x 2 + 1% x 3 etc.

rolleyes
Nov 16, 2006

Sometimes you have to roll the hard... two?
So it's effectively fraud, but really really awesome fraud.

rolleyes
Nov 16, 2006

Sometimes you have to roll the hard... two?

AlmightyBob posted:

lazy assholes need to order enough food to get them through a nuclear holocaust.

I feel terribly sorry for UK retail goons at the moment. As usual, as soon as the temperature drops below 0C the entire country slides off the road into a crumpled wreck, which leads to scenes like the one I saw yesterday in my local supermarket:

:( Assistant
:byodame: Customer

:byodame: *stares aghast at mostly empty pre-packaged bread shelves*
:byodame: Excuse me, excuse me! Where is the bread?!
:( I'm sorry, the weather has delayed our deliveries so we don't have any more in stock.
:byodame: Well when will there be more? Today?
:( I'm afraid I don't know, there will be another delivery as soon as the weather allows it.
:byodame: *splutter* This is unbelievable, is there a manager around?
(manager is found, same conversation happens again, :byodame: storms off)

Yes lady, I know it sucks that the government refuses to spend an extra couple of million on grit stockpiles and then stands around looking confused when the economy haemorrhages tens of millions a day because the roads are unusable, but a supermarket assistant and his supervisor are not in a position to do anything about it.

While you were venting your frustration on the powerless, I had time to go over to the bakery counter right next to the bread shelves and pick up... freshly baked bread. *sigh*

rolleyes
Nov 16, 2006

Sometimes you have to roll the hard... two?

Nocheez posted:

Why didn't you just tell her this in the first place?

I'm guess you think I was the assistant in my previous post? No.

rolleyes
Nov 16, 2006

Sometimes you have to roll the hard... two?
I imagine they assumed she'd seen it seeing as it was bigger than the shelving unit she was ranting about and literally right next to it. Maybe she didn't want the fresh stuff because it doesn't keep as long (because it's not full of nasty chemicals) or something, but she must have seen it.

rolleyes
Nov 16, 2006

Sometimes you have to roll the hard... two?
My opinion is that if you get written up for being marginally late now and again then your workplace is being mismanaged. It's not unusual for people to have to commute 20 miles or more. Traffic is unpredictable, and no-one is going to hedge their bets and end up getting there an hour early unless they're also allowed to leave an hour early.

rolleyes
Nov 16, 2006

Sometimes you have to roll the hard... two?

manguero posted:

I'm sure his DM would tell him to stop being Vietnamese. :colbert:

I think you mean "tell him to make his skin more American, we only deal with Americans in here!"

rolleyes
Nov 16, 2006

Sometimes you have to roll the hard... two?
Sounds more like "if they can't leave the building then they might not take their breaks" rather than any genuine concern for your safety.

rolleyes
Nov 16, 2006

Sometimes you have to roll the hard... two?

Pornographic Memory posted:

Honestly I'd think having a tiered discount thing like that in the first place is just asking for trouble.

It's not that unusual. When I worked retail at the local Co-op (UK goon) while I was in school we would regularly mark down the baked goods mid-afternoon and then, if they still hadn't shifted by early evening, mark them down further. If they still didn't sell by the end of the day then we'd bin them.

Ah yes, the heady days when I used to control the markdown gun.

rolleyes
Nov 16, 2006

Sometimes you have to roll the hard... two?
And also he has the most appropriate username ever.

rolleyes
Nov 16, 2006

Sometimes you have to roll the hard... two?
red19fire:

Regarding bartering, it's actually we silly Westerners (Europe and the US) who are in the minority with the notion of fixed price goods so it's far from just Thailand where that applies.

When I visit an asian country I don't wander around expecting to be given a fair price first time (although plenty of tourists do so get ripped the gently caress off, but that's their own stupid fault). As a westerner you're expected to pay a bit more as everyone knows you can afford to, but the initial price can be 2-3 times the actual value of the item, and this is why you get massive lowballing going on.

That said, if I can adapt to asian pricing culture for a 2 week stay then anyone coming to live in the west who refuses to accept fixed price goods is just being a dick on purpose to try and scam you. What's worse is that they're relying on you treating them as a lesser person ("they don't know any better" etc) to get away with it.

That's what pisses me off. YES they loving do know better and they're trying to goad you into accepting racist stereotypes to save $10, while complaining that you're being racist by refusing.

Just remember that these people are in the minority, and an rear end in a top hat is still an rear end in a top hat whatever their family origins. What to show them respect and fair treatment? Tell them to gently caress off when they pull this poo poo, just like you would anyone else.

rolleyes
Nov 16, 2006

Sometimes you have to roll the hard... two?

That Article posted:

6. What is the capital of Europe?

Brussels.

Sounds like the Australians could stand to do a little research of their own. :colbert:

rolleyes
Nov 16, 2006

Sometimes you have to roll the hard... two?

spite house posted:

Excellent, excellent instance of customer justice witnessed today.

I was at the CS desk that faces the foot of the stairs. A white, affluent-lookimg boomer couple came down the stairs and, for reasons best known to themselves, started making out in the middle of the aisle, like full-on adolescent tongue-and-groping scamming. It was vile, and they were really in the way, and this went on for about fifteen minutes. I was about to say something when a couple of youngish, clearly down-and-out, probably drunk African-American guys came by. One of them viewed the repulsive display with a look of pure disgust and said "Jesus Christ, get a room."

Boomer couple chuckled nervously. Drunk guy said "You think I'm joking? poo poo's loving disgusting and you've been doing it for way too long. I'm sick of looking at it. loving get a room."

Boomer dude said something like "Well, don't look if you don't like it," but he was clearly terrified. Then he and his ladyfriend scuttled away in shame and fear. I was DYING.

This is great, made moreso by the fact that I've just finished season 1 of The Wire so I can imagine exactly how it was said.

rolleyes
Nov 16, 2006

Sometimes you have to roll the hard... two?
Not much incentive to work 8 hours then, as you get the same amount of pay as working 7.

rolleyes
Nov 16, 2006

Sometimes you have to roll the hard... two?

Mountaineer posted:

Yeah, there used to be a thread similar to this one for call center workers. I remember reading that thread and thinking that maybe my job wasn't so bad after all.

There still is: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3309332

rolleyes
Nov 16, 2006

Sometimes you have to roll the hard... two?
I wish I knew somewhere where I could get pizza for $10. The nearest place to me (a Domino's) charges £10.99 for a small. That's $17.60. Paying that much doesn't push people towards generous tips.

rolleyes
Nov 16, 2006

Sometimes you have to roll the hard... two?
This is probably going to get me probated for sparking a flame war or something, but this needs to be said. And remember, I sympathise with the vast majority of you guys having worked retail myself.

I know I'm in the UK and things are different, but the US guys defending loving with someone's dinner (and those of you here who actually do that) are way out of line. You don't deserve tips simply for doing your job description. You just don't. The culture may be that people should tip but the reality is that people often don't, and if you went into the job basing your assumed earnings on what should happen rather than what really does happen then sorry, you were naive. If your employer led you to believe that you'd earn more than you really do them that's on your employer, not your customers. The fact that your employer is a tight gently caress and you don't like the way your job worked out does not give you the right to do what you do - show some loving professionalism because you sure as hell aren't going to last long in another job behaving that way.

LonsomeSon posted:

That's funny, I've done the job before and that's totally what it means. Seriously, if you're a good regular who happens to be short on cash one day, or a one-time order from a hotel, whatever. If I see your gut-wrenchingly horrid mutation of a face every week and you don't pay me, it's entirely possible that I personally might do more than shake up your sodas and toss your pizzas in the bed of my truck open when it's forty degrees out.
You should not be doing this job. Period.


LonsomeSon posted:

I don't work for loving free. If you think delivery people should work for loving free, you need to stop ordering. It's that simple, this is the way that it is.
This is on your employer for not paying you properly, not your customers.

LonsomeSon posted:

It's this way not because of delivery people, who are average joes scrambling to make a living, but because of what people in this particular country let our leaders get away with.
This is on your government, not your customers.

LonsomeSon posted:

Also I was pretty good at my job, and I'm generally a pretty pleasant individual.
No you weren't, and by the sounds of it no you're not. You took out your grievances about a broken system on your customers, and from the "...I personally might do more than..." comment it sounds like you probably hosed with food hygiene too. To be honest you sound like (and certainly behaved like) an angry teenager, by which I mean that while the anger is justified to some extent you dealt with that anger entirely inappropriately.

LonsomeSon posted:

It's just that this topic is very, very important because people who have never worked for tips (most likely everyone who disagrees with me on this one in general, if not in specific) just don't understand.
I'm pretty sure they do, it's a very simple concept. The wage isn't enough without tips, we know. It's not your fault, we know. But guess what? It's not the fault of the paying customer either. At the end of the day the price quoted is the price quoted, and by the law of the great land of America the price quoted is all that needs to be paid.

rolleyes fucked around with this message at 09:31 on Mar 28, 2011

rolleyes
Nov 16, 2006

Sometimes you have to roll the hard... two?

Ornamented Death posted:

Forty boxes of pasta and forty bottles of sauce?

Not that I'm defending the couponers, but you realise pasta has a very long shelf life right? I buy my pasta in huge 3KG bags and it takes me the best part of a year to go through one. So long as you keep it dry and covered it's not going to go off.

rolleyes
Nov 16, 2006

Sometimes you have to roll the hard... two?
I hate charity drives in retail stores because much of the 'technique' is to hope that people feel peer-pressured into donating. If you try to guilt people into donating don't be surprised when some of them take offence.

I mean personally, I've donated roughly ~$150 to charity so far this year what with Japan and the charities I normally support and that figure will keep on rising as the year goes by. A grand total of gently caress all of that was donated to someone begging on behalf of a charity in a retail store, and yet I still feel uncomfortable refusing those people (despite knowing that I'm already doing my bit for charity) because there's always some holier-than-thou idiot who'll be judging you or, even worse, actually getting their self-righteous smug-face on and passing comment - which is when I really fly off the handle.


I guess what I'm getting at is: I don't like shopping to start with so anything which makes the experience even less enjoyable can take a running jump. If someone asks for a donation they'll get a polite but firm "no". If they take it further than that then they can expect me to become hostile. I have no time for people who expect me to decide whether their charity is worthy or not while I'm trying to carry my groceries out of the door.

rolleyes fucked around with this message at 20:14 on Apr 10, 2011

rolleyes
Nov 16, 2006

Sometimes you have to roll the hard... two?

2508084 posted:

Yes, it is.

No, it isn't. Accepting racism would be wrong, saying that you've noticed that your job is making you prejudicial shows that you've recognised an undesirable side-effect of your work.

rolleyes
Nov 16, 2006

Sometimes you have to roll the hard... two?
As you were fired for no reason, can you now claim unemployment for the 1 week just to piss him off further? Because, if so, I really think you should. :)

rolleyes
Nov 16, 2006

Sometimes you have to roll the hard... two?
It still blows my mind that people just don't plan ahead for large orders. If your place is anything like my local chippie then even on a Friday night it would have three, at most four staff total. What the hell is a place like that meant to do with an order like that?

rolleyes
Nov 16, 2006

Sometimes you have to roll the hard... two?

Robzor McFabulous posted:

Here in the UK everyone is expected to learn to drive a manual car, and although you can take the easy option and get a lesser automatic license, you're then not allowed to drive manual cars on the road. The majority of people learn to drive properly and get a full manual license.

However, there are no shortage of people here in the UK who run yellow and red lights. This includes myself, because some genius decided to put traffic lights on a dual carriageway (that's a 2 lane 70mph road for US goons) just so that a tiny little minor road can have a junction, so if it flicks to yellow as I approach I'm drat well running it rather than executing a hard stop from 70mph.

On that note, I've always taken yellow to mean "stop if it's safe to do so" and red to mean "stop, you have no excuse for not doing so" which is how I justify running that yellow.

rolleyes
Nov 16, 2006

Sometimes you have to roll the hard... two?
There have been news stories and court cases about this, one pops up on Fark every month or so.

rolleyes
Nov 16, 2006

Sometimes you have to roll the hard... two?
Journalism maybe?

rolleyes
Nov 16, 2006

Sometimes you have to roll the hard... two?
Thanks is still better than *click* surely?

rolleyes
Nov 16, 2006

Sometimes you have to roll the hard... two?
Heh, I just realised I got this thread muddled up with the call centre one, hence the "*click*" reference. Yeah that's a bit different, and drat it's cold to just plain blank an actual person in front of you wishing you well.

rolleyes
Nov 16, 2006

Sometimes you have to roll the hard... two?

Klaus Kinski posted:

This is honestly a good example of people who deserve to be working retail. If you can't take two seconds to follow a simple, standard safety procedure, you really shouldn't make much above minimum wage.

What the gently caress is this? No, really, what. The. gently caress.

:frogout:

rolleyes
Nov 16, 2006

Sometimes you have to roll the hard... two?
If you include violent offenders you might cut down on the rate of customer complaints. :v:

rolleyes
Nov 16, 2006

Sometimes you have to roll the hard... two?

Klaus Kinski posted:

"It usually doesn't matter/It probably wouldn't matter anyway" isn't really a valid argument to skip on really simple safety stuff.

Do you even realize how retarded his story is? "We didn't bother putting up a warning sign so this fucker ended up hurting himself and yelling at us, what a loving shithead customer."

It's called personal responsibility, and here's how it works: if you don't look where you're going and fail to notice two people on their hands and knees cleaning up a spill then, to use your terminology, you deserve to fall over.

You are that guy. You are the one who'd be phoning corporate because you felt embarrassed about making a stupid mistake and wanted to deflect the blame. You are the customer everyone in here hates. Go away.

rolleyes
Nov 16, 2006

Sometimes you have to roll the hard... two?

alreadybeen posted:

Because they know you'll be looking for something not retail. They want to hire someone who want to be there and will plan on staying around for a while.

The cynic in me would amend that to "...who isn't qualified to do anything much else and will be trapped there for a while." Every retail places I've worked for or heard backroom stories about operates a lowest-common-denominator hiring system.

rolleyes
Nov 16, 2006

Sometimes you have to roll the hard... two?

modeski posted:

It's a total false economy, though. I shop at Aldi for most of my staples and save far more than the 4c a litre would net me.

Yeah most of the time that's true, discount offers and/or cards work on the basis that most people never bother to do the calculations to see if they're really saving anything.

If you're gonna bother with that kind of thing the best option is something like a cashback credit card. I have one which I pay off in full every month (so builds my credit score) and it gives me 1% on all purchases, or 2% at the specific retailer which runs it. That combined with a fuel card gets me about 4% off the fuel for my car, and I use the credit card for everything I can which brings in a surprising amount of money over the course of a year.

rolleyes
Nov 16, 2006

Sometimes you have to roll the hard... two?
I don't really drink coffee but if I did I wouldn't go into a proper coffee shop and ask for "a coffee" for the same reason I wouldn't go into an Italian restaurant and ask for "some pasta". Especially as, depending on the person, "a coffee" could mean at the very least either black coffee or coffee and milk. I guess if you just want "a coffee" then a coffee shop isn't for you and you'd be better off in Subway or something.

rolleyes
Nov 16, 2006

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Luquos posted:

In England, it's pretty common for dogs to be brought into pubs and the like.

My local (also a UK goon) has two spaniels owned by the landlord which roam around the place. I'm not a huge dog fan but so long as they're well behaved I don't really care, if they come over I just sort of wave them off until they get the hint.

rolleyes
Nov 16, 2006

Sometimes you have to roll the hard... two?
I've never seen it in a retail store here in the UK, but it applies to just about any service/utility or so it seems. Electricity? Direct debit discount. Insurance? Processing fee for credit cards. Booking a ticket with Ryanair? Hahaha, who the gently caress am I kidding, if you somehow manage to make it through their website without paying a card charge their hired goons will beat it out of you at the airport.

rolleyes
Nov 16, 2006

Sometimes you have to roll the hard... two?
O'Leary's just the kind of person who is objectionable to most of the population. He's happy to use the law when it suits him (like your example) but when it doesn't then he and his company pull some downright shady poo poo. The biggest one I can remember was the whole Icelandic ash cloud business, where events kind of went:
  1. Ryanair refuses to cover anything other than cost of a flight even though they're legally required to cover all accommodation and reasonable food expenses caused by delayed flights in Europe.
  2. Press attacks Ryanair.
  3. O'Leary cries that the law's not fair.
  4. The government makes it clear in no uncertain terms that Ryanair will be subject to legal action from the state if they don't comply with the law.
  5. Ryanair starts paying, but not before thousands of their passengers have had to incur significant debts paying for hotels on their own.
He's actually proud of his scumbag image and yet somehow, in his weird world, thinks that we'll all be terribly sympathetic to him for having to comply with the laws he should be well versed in considering they're rather important to the industry he's operating in.


Erm, I seem to have derailed the thread somewhat so apologies.
tl;dr: gently caress Michael O'Leary.

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rolleyes
Nov 16, 2006

Sometimes you have to roll the hard... two?

Daeus posted:

Do you really not see why this could piss someone off? By the time I am at the counter checking out I've basically already committed myself to buying those products. If you tell me that I could of gotten this for less somewhere else I am going to feel like an idiot for buying it at the higher price. It is also unlikely someone is going to perfectly optimize their route to get the cheapest good at every location. Example, for some reason the best deal for natural peanut better is at Whole Foods, however in general Trader Joe's has better prices. I know when I am buying peanut butter at TJs I'm paying an extra $1-$1.50 but I am saving an extra stop. What do you expect people to do? Just say "Oh OK, well don't ring that pile of shrimp up then?" :confused:.

Wow, if that's enough to make you feel like an idiot then I think we've identified some self-confidence issues. It's pretty clear she meant for next time, not 'you should go put these back right now god I can't believe you're so stupid for not knowing the price of shrimp at every store in the county'. So, what would I expect people to do? Act like a normal human and note the information which has been volunteered to you by someone trying to be helpful and, hell, maybe even thank them for it. Not somehow twist it into some insane attack on your intelligence which just screams of insecurity.

That aside, I have to agree that it's a very dangerous thing to be doing in terms of job prospects.

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