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fivetwo posted:I encourage anyone to attempt to get do an advanced search on USAJobs, then Search by Job Series. Type in 1811. Can you be more specific about this? I imagine that 1811 type jobs would vary really widely based on the agency.
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prussian advisor posted:Can you be more specific about this? I imagine that 1811 type jobs would vary really widely based on the agency. It's the Criminal Investigation series. Job duties vary by agency. It's DEA, ATF, Secret Service, US Marshals, FBI, ICE, NCIS, AFOSI, and all other federal "detective" agencies. The scope of investigations will vary but the pay is the same (Journeyman 13 which is at least $100,000, depending on locality, at step 1), retirement is 25 years at any age or 20 years at age 50, and the pension accrues more than non-law enforcement employees. Must not have reached your 37th birthday before hire. Opportunities for private corporate/consulting jobs post-retirement abound.
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Jul 12, 2010 03:32
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necrobobsledder posted:The same sort of thing applies if you happen to marry someone that's not a US citizen - your access will be immediately revoked and in some cases that could mean you lose your job (marrying is a voluntary act and can imply resignation as a result). There are exceptions to that though; I don't know how they work but I've heard of FSOs at State doing precisely this. I think they have to notify people well in advance, I'm not entirely sure how it works. Someone from the FSO thread might be able to explain more.
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fivetwo posted:The scope of investigations will vary but the pay is the same (Journeyman 13 which is at least $100,000, depending on locality, at step 1), It's pretty easy to top 6 figures being an 1811 in 3 or 4 years on the job. Count LEAP, Locality, and if your agency approves overtime, it's absolutely no problem. Also the annuity in the retirement and TSP is one of the best in the government, no doubt about it.
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Jul 12, 2010 03:51
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fivetwo posted:It's the Criminal Investigation series. Job duties vary by agency. It's DEA, ATF, Secret Service, US Marshals, FBI, ICE, NCIS, AFOSI, and all other federal "detective" agencies. The scope of investigations will vary but the pay is the same (Journeyman 13 which is at least $100,000, depending on locality, at step 1), retirement is 25 years at any age or 20 years at age 50, and the pension accrues more than non-law enforcement employees. Must not have reached your 37th birthday before hire. Do you work in one of these jobs? If so, how did you wind up working there? Most of the people I knew who were federal law enforcement agents were former state or local police. prussian advisor fucked around with this message at 04:03 on Jul 12, 2010 |
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prussian advisor posted:Do you work in one of these jobs? If so, how did you wind up working there? Most of the people I knew who were federal law enforcement agents were former state or local police. From what I know it really just takes you meeting the minimum requirements (bachelor's degree) and applying everywhere. 1811 hiring is really random in nature as far as qualifications above minimum.
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SWATJester posted:There are exceptions to that though; I don't know how they work but I've heard of FSOs at State doing precisely this. I think they have to notify people well in advance, I'm not entirely sure how it works. Someone from the FSO thread might be able to explain more. Yeah, it really is hit or miss. My wife is not a US Citizen, but my clearance was not revoked.. I did have to let the Security Officer/Defense Security Service know, however, and the did a background check on my wife & her family & everyone they know. Nice long report, but USCIS/Homeland pretty much wrapped it up for us, and gave her a green card. Since it turned out OK I assume there were no implications... Hit or miss, I guess. Private contractor here, BTW
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Jul 13, 2010 00:20
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Got this in today.quote:
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Crossbar posted:How well do clearances transfer between agencies? If I have a clearance from State but a job wants a DOD clearance am I out of luck? The best answer is "it depends". Some agencies will simply take your current agency's clearance and grant you one. Others will make you do the SF-86 shuffle and complete their own clearance. It's a safe bet that if you are upgrading when you transfer, they will do a new background on you. My agency is "lucky" in that most everyone else accepts ours. Really smooths out the transfer process for the myriad of coworkers I've seen leave over the last decade. Edit: prussian advisor posted:Can you be more specific about this? I imagine that 1811 type jobs would vary really widely based on the agency. There's a couple of forums on other websites for that. Asking is a thread in and of itself. Evil SpongeBob fucked around with this message at 04:11 on Jul 13, 2010 |
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Jul 13, 2010 04:08
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Yeah, interesting side, is that those jobs I just posted require you to fill out a new SF-86, even if you already hold the same level of clearance. That doesn't necessarily translate into going through a new SSBI, but you'll still have to fill out the form. From a plain reading, that looks like the case even if you've already got a state dept. TS.
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fivetwo posted:From what I know it really just takes you meeting the minimum requirements (bachelor's degree) and applying everywhere. 1811 hiring is really random in nature as far as qualifications above minimum. Does a Criminal Justice degree set you above the rest of the applicants in any way?
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Evil SpongeBob posted:There's a couple of forums on other websites for that. Asking is a thread in and of itself. Can you link to some that you'd recommend?
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Jul 13, 2010 13:33
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Just so you know, the State Department is accepting applications for its career entry program from today until the 17th! http://careers.state.gov/civil-service/employment.html#CEP No one apply for Foreign Affairs, it's miiiiiine.
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Jul 13, 2010 15:25
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Any USPTO workers in this thread? I've been trying to get a job there for four years now. They keep freezing hiring for my relevant fields, but reopened a few positions in the last few weeks. I'm applying again. Is it as bad as the USPTO job-satisfaction surveys claim it is? The pay's pretty awesome for gov stuff, from what I've seen.
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CherryCola posted:Just so you know, the State Department is accepting applications for its career entry program from today until the 17th! Yay! A job in Honolulu!
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CherryCola posted:Just so you know, the State Department is accepting applications for its career entry program from today until the 17th! Hey thanks for this. Would've missed it if not for you. I long since got off the State listserv after months of receiving job announcements for senior positions and got tired of the spam. Unfortunately I will have to apply for the Foreign Affairs position. Maybe we could hold a Foggy Bottom goonmeet  ?Short notice but any DC area goons might be interested in attending a federal job fair tomorrow from 2PM-7PM. Just heard about this and have been preparing since. http://makingthedifference.org/federaljobs/careerfair.shtml#maximize VVV Yeah that is why I moved up here. I'm still unemployed but much better prospects than if I stayed in South Carolina. More interviews at least. Gin and Juche fucked around with this message at 22:27 on Jul 13, 2010 |
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Jul 13, 2010 22:20
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Gravel Gravy posted:
Man, this is why I'm moving out to DC next month with or without a definite job. On that note, anybody need a roommate?
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That makes three of us then. Good thing DC is pretty awesome city. Thanks for posting that link CherryCola! Edit:gently caress! I totally would have gone to that career fair had I not dropped my suit off at the cleaners and said I'd grab it Friday. Also, figures I move away from Boston and they have Passport Specialists positions up there opening up. My boss at my internship told me that they would be hiring for that position in DC and she would speak with a former colleague so I could at least land an interview. Oh well, I'll call her anyways, maybe same colleague has something going on with Foreign Affairs or Program Analyst. Handsome Ralph fucked around with this message at 22:54 on Jul 13, 2010 |
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Jul 13, 2010 22:37
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Paytizzle posted:Does a Criminal Justice degree set you above the rest of the applicants in any way? No. You'll be thrown in the muck of things. If you want to get noticed in FLE hiring you need to have solid background in computer science skills, foreign language(s), or accounting. Even then, it won't guarantee you anything. EDIT: Let me clarify something really quick: Whatever you bring to the table is what you need to get to their official testing process (whether it be written exam, interviews, both, etc). So typically it consists of taking an online examination or just sending a recruiter your resume, and if they think you're of acceptable level they will call you for their formal testing process. If you move forward to actual vetting as I just described, then it doesn't matter at all. Depending on the agency they will take the top tier of scores and move forward, or maybe whatever will fill how many slots they have open. Homie S fucked around with this message at 00:50 on Jul 14, 2010 |
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Jul 14, 2010 00:45
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Sundae posted:Any USPTO workers in this thread? I've been trying to get a job there for four years now. They keep freezing hiring for my relevant fields, but reopened a few positions in the last few weeks. I'm applying again. I worked as a contractor in the USPTO Library, so I got to speak to a lot of examiners and private researchers. Right now, there is a lot of pressure on examiners to meet quotas and deadlines, however, the hours are very flexible. Also, many examiners are working from home now, but I think you need at least a year or two of experience before that happens. The pay is good and you can move up relatively quickly. I know a guy who started 2 years ago who is already a GS-13 with only a bachelor's degree. He works his rear end off though.
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Gravel Gravy posted:Hey thanks for this. Would've missed it if not for you. I long since got off the State listserv after months of receiving job announcements for senior positions and got tired of the spam. Unfortunately I will have to apply for the Foreign Affairs position. Maybe we could hold a Foggy Bottom goonmeet Eh? You're going too? ( I suggest everyone goes.. )
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Skandiaavity posted:Eh? You're going too? ( I suggest everyone goes.. ) Of course. Edit: It actually starts at 3PM. Gin and Juche fucked around with this message at 16:24 on Jul 14, 2010 |
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Jul 14, 2010 15:31
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shoot, i just realized my resume is wayyyyy too long... trimmin' time!
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Screw it, I'm going. I'll just wear a dress shirt with a tie.
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I just noticed a couple errors in my resume. Unfortunately I've already printed out like 15 copies and I am low on ink. Think I should reprint them just to fix the error, or do you think one error is going to kill me? Also let me know if you guys want to plan grabbing a bite or beer afterwards. Aim name is in my profile.
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Kaymaster posted:I worked as a contractor in the USPTO Library, so I got to speak to a lot of examiners and private researchers. Right now, there is a lot of pressure on examiners to meet quotas and deadlines, however, the hours are very flexible. Also, many examiners are working from home now, but I think you need at least a year or two of experience before that happens. Thanks. That about matches what I got from the recruiters at my college's job fair a few years ago. I had seen the satisfaction survey results for the USPTO posted online, and they were dismal... but every employee satisfaction result ever has been dismal. That's just how people are. GS-13 after 2 years with only a B.S? Did he work in a patent-law firm before starting at the USPTO? I'm trying to figure out how he could possibly have made the leap from GS-7 up to 13 in only two years, even if he was Jesus Christ, Patent-Pro or something.
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Gravel Gravy posted:I just noticed a couple errors in my resume. Unfortunately I've already printed out like 15 copies and I am low on ink. Think I should reprint them just to fix the error, or do you think one error is going to kill me? Do not EVER send a resume/cover letter with errors. Yes, it will kill you. There is a lot of competition for those jobs, and they're going to be looking for reasons to whittle the number down.
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quepasa18 posted:Do not EVER send a resume/cover letter with errors. Yes, it will kill you. There is a lot of competition for those jobs, and they're going to be looking for reasons to whittle the number down. This. Also you want more than 15 copies.
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Here's another question. Do all federal resumes require social security numbers and narratives? I could understand the need for some agencies, but most of those agencies won;'t be taking resumes at this thing.
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Apparently not, judging by my interviews with the USPTO. Standard resumes were perfectly fine for them, and any extra information they needed (SS#, etc) was on a separate form they gave me.
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Standard resumes should be fine. Homeland has a 'preferred' layout/format, maybe some other agencies too. Not sure on length, some prefer the long layout, some prefer the short layout. (Myself, I am mixing it up.). Bring Business cards if you've got 'em. Bring as many resumes as you can stuff into that little black folder, 15-20 is great. Unless you know specifically what you're going in for, but keep your options open.. Edit: NO MISTAKES on the resume, they'll be looking to whittle down for any reason they can. Have someone else proof it before you start the printing is best.
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Sundae posted:Any USPTO workers in this thread? I've been trying to get a job there for four years now. They keep freezing hiring for my relevant fields, but reopened a few positions in the last few weeks. I'm applying again. I'm an examiner. The job can be stressful: it's not just that there is a deadline, but occasionally you get a dog of an application an it takes up way more time than it should. Kaymaster posted:I worked as a contractor in the USPTO Library, so I got to speak to a lot of examiners and private researchers. Right now, there is a lot of pressure on examiners to meet quotas and deadlines, however, the hours are very flexible. Also, many examiners are working from home now, but I think you need at least a year or two of experience before that happens. A BS gets you in the door at GS-7, you could take the two accelerated promotions (6 months each) to G-11, and then it's a year to GS-12, then another full year to GS-13. I came in as a GS-9 and am about to make my GS-13 promotion after three years. He'd have to have come in as a GS-11 to make 13 in two years, which is, if I recall, reserved for PhDs and experienced patent professionals; I came in as a lawyer and patent agent, but fresh from taking the respective bars.
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I am starting grad. school in the fall and wont be out until 2012. Do you think that its kosher to start applying for government jobs halfway through my degree (listing something like: "MA pending")? I'd love to be an analyst, but I'd especially love to have a job waiting for me once I leave school.
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Hot Dog Day #82 posted:I am starting grad. school in the fall and wont be out until 2012. Do you think that its kosher to start applying for government jobs halfway through my degree (listing something like: "MA pending")? I'd love to be an analyst, but I'd especially love to have a job waiting for me once I leave school. There are some positions where I would totally recommend this. Agencies like the CIA and Foreign Service positions have an application process that can take a year anyway. So yeah, when I was applying to stuff I just put "MA expected May 2010."
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Baruch Obamawitz posted:A BS gets you in the door at GS-7, you could take the two accelerated promotions (6 months each) to G-11, and then it's a year to GS-12, then another full year to GS-13. I came in as a GS-9 and am about to make my GS-13 promotion after three years. He'd have to have come in as a GS-11 to make 13 in two years, which is, if I recall, reserved for PhDs and experienced patent professionals; I came in as a lawyer and patent agent, but fresh from taking the respective bars. It's possible I am wrong, or this varies by agency, but I thought a BA/BS only qualified you for GS-5, realistically? Whereas if you had personal experience on top of that, you'd qualify for GS-7/GS-9? I do know the intel agencies play it up a bit to retain the positions/compete with private sectors, but wow, it'd be cool if I qualified for a GS-9/GS-11 :P
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Skandiaavity posted:It's possible I am wrong, or this varies by agency, but I thought a BA/BS only qualified you for GS-5, realistically? Whereas if you had personal experience on top of that, you'd qualify for GS-7/GS-9? Some job postings offer GS-7 (I think) for "superior academic performance" and let that substitute for some of the experience/grad school.
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Pompous Rhombus posted:Some job postings offer GS-7 (I think) for "superior academic performance" and let that substitute for some of the experience/grad school. Also, GS-13s are rather rare outside of DC, lest anyone get their homes up too high. GS-11/12 are typical journeyman positions for professional fields.
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Skandiaavity posted:It's possible I am wrong, or this varies by agency, but I thought a BA/BS only qualified you for GS-5, realistically? Whereas if you had personal experience on top of that, you'd qualify for GS-7/GS-9? A 3.25 undergrad GPA gets you in as a GS-7 at the PTO, and given the applicant pool, most new hires have above that anyway. That plus a Masters or JD is -9, plus PhD is -11. The PTO only has -5, -7, -9, -11, -12, -13, -14 and -15 as their paygrades though. I'm making $120k as a GS-12 with overtime, though, so it's a much higher payscale than the DC locality pay.
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Baruch Obamawitz posted:A 3.25 undergrad GPA gets you in as a GS-7 at the PTO, and given the applicant pool, most new hires have above that anyway. That plus a Masters or JD is -9, plus PhD is -11. The PTO only has -5, -7, -9, -11, -12, -13, -14 and -15 as their paygrades though. Masters is a 9?? Oh dang, I've been lookin at 6's and 7's. It's so tough coming straight out of school and applying for these jobs though. I have to somehow make my undergrad, part time, work study admin jobs look like really great work experience. Here's something I've been struggling with, especially with applying to the Foreign Service. They ask about management and leadership experience, and I have really never managed people in a job sense. It sucks when you know you'd do really well at a job, but can't figure out how to communicate that to the employer.
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