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fivetwo
Jun 19, 2009


Primoman posted:

I applied for this yesterday. Didn't read on how many vacancies they had, just made sure I met one of their requirements (bachelor's) and applied as fast as I could.

I'm not entirely sure what an ATF special agent job entails, but I'm certain I wouldn't turn down the opportunity.

You investigate primarily federal firearms violations (felon in possession of a firearm); ATF also probably, I would argue, has the best undercover program in federal LE... they're always infiltrating gangs/motorcycle clubs...

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vwman18
Jul 30, 2005

bah weep graaagnah wheep ni ni bong

I just got hired on as a TE for the Postal Service. True to form, I applied for the job in November, got the call for the interview in late January. Anyone else a USPS worker? Got any advice for me?

Primoman
Jan 22, 2012

by Y Kant Ozma Post


fivetwo posted:

You investigate primarily federal firearms violations (felon in possession of a firearm); ATF also probably, I would argue, has the best undercover program in federal LE... they're always infiltrating gangs/motorcycle clubs...

That sounds awesome.

The only thing I have going for me is the Bachelor's degree, so the odds are probably not in my favor, but I'll apply for these opportunities as they open up all the same.

The rat says squee
May 6, 2007
What else should they say?

Kontradaz posted:

So guys, I was wondering if you knew anything about the whole "Analyst Boot Camp" 10-week program offered by ATIC. Plop down 10k for the program, and by the end (if you arent a criminal) you get a TS clearance as well as intelligence training. I don't know how legit this is or if it's a remotely good idea, but I'd welcome some advice.

http://www.atichcd.org/index.php?op...id=16&Itemid=28

I can't speak to the program or to the legitimacy of ATIC, but I do know American Military University is legit. The problem I see is the clearance. It usually takes much longer than 10 weeks to get a clearance, especially a TS. Your file will sit in some investigator's inbox for that long. Also, you're only granted a clearance if you have a need to know to perform a job function for the requesting office. I can't see a commercial training program using classified information unless it's contracted by the military or government for a specific purpose. On reading the website, I don't see where they say they'll get you clearance. Here's the only thing I saw:

The Website posted:

The ABC program is also well-suited for customized training programs for companies wishing to enter the Intelligence Community, for those already in the community yet have people waiting for clearances, or for cleared workforces that require training from intelligence basics to advanced technical intelligence.

This seems like something a company would send a prospective analyst to for training while waiting for a clearance to come back.

Zeris
Apr 15, 2003

Frightening

The rat says squee posted:

I can't speak to the program or to the legitimacy of ATIC, but I do know American Military University is legit. The problem I see is the clearance. It usually takes much longer than 10 weeks to get a clearance, especially a TS. Your file will sit in some investigator's inbox for that long. Also, you're only granted a clearance if you have a need to know to perform a job function for the requesting office. I can't see a commercial training program using classified information unless it's contracted by the military or government for a specific purpose. On reading the website, I don't see where they say they'll get you clearance. Here's the only thing I saw:


This seems like something a company would send a prospective analyst to for training while waiting for a clearance to come back.

Adding to that, I don't understand what of value could be taught in the realms of HUMINT/SIGINT/GEOINT/etc. outside of a SCIF, to cleared students. And yet, all of those topics (and more) are on the syllabus.

Primoman
Jan 22, 2012

by Y Kant Ozma Post


Did the Deputy US Marshals position open in USA Jobs? I've been checking since yesterday and the only US Marshals-related job that shows up is Quality Review Specialist.

Scooter_McCabe
May 31, 2011
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Anybody got any pull with Archives for a job say in College Park, MD? Got rated as eligible and the very nice lady handling the announcement told me that the supervisor is auditing the list. Got a couple of days before it all goes down but if you can help some how PM me.

Evil SpongeBob
Dec 1, 2005


Primoman posted:

Did the Deputy US Marshals position open in USA Jobs? I've been checking since yesterday and the only US Marshals-related job that shows up is Quality Review Specialist.

Posted & closed yesterday.

fivetwo
Jun 19, 2009


Primoman posted:

Did the Deputy US Marshals position open in USA Jobs? I've been checking since yesterday and the only US Marshals-related job that shows up is Quality Review Specialist.

It was open at 1201AM EST March 5, 2012, to be open 5 days, or until 11:59PM EST on the day they received 5,000 applications.

They received over 5,000 applications on March 5... understandably... pretty much a dream job...

Primoman
Jan 22, 2012

by Y Kant Ozma Post


fivetwo posted:

It was open at 1201AM EST March 5, 2012, to be open 5 days, or until 11:59PM EST on the day they received 5,000 applications.

They received over 5,000 applications on March 5... understandably... pretty much a dream job...

Can't believe I missed it...I could have sworn I marked it on Rainlendar.

I managed to apply for the ATF job, but as slim as my chances are, I would have done better with two slim chances instead of one.

Is there any approach I can take to getting hired locally, perhaps in a police department? About the only non-policeman job I've been able to find is Asset Protection with retail stores. I've applied to a good deal of those, but there has to be something else I can try applying for with a CJ degree.

grover
Jan 23, 2002

PEW PEW PEW







fivetwo posted:

It was open at 1201AM EST March 5, 2012, to be open 5 days, or until 11:59PM EST on the day they received 5,000 applications.

They received over 5,000 applications on March 5... understandably... pretty much a dream job...
drat, that's a lot of applicants... I don't think NASA received that many applications for astronaut this year.

fivetwo
Jun 19, 2009


grover posted:

drat, that's a lot of applicants... I don't think NASA received that many applications for astronaut this year.

who wants to be an astronaut when you can be raylan givens?

CobiWann
Oct 21, 2009

There are lost episodes of course. Stories that were commissioned but never made. Or made but misfiled, post broadcast. Sheer incompetence, of course.

Have my fingers crossed here...my office here at the State Department just posted a job opening, GS 11/12. I'm currently a contractor, and my boss is pushing me to either get this job or become a PSC in case our contracting company doesn't get the rebid...same duties, same office, same drat desk and fellow contractor I share a room with, just $10,000 more a year and a whole lot of job security...

Cream-of-Plenty
Apr 21, 2010


I've noticed that several listings on USAJobs have specified that a college graduate can be considered for GS-07 if they met one of the following conditions:

1. They attended at least 1 year of graduate school
2. They belonged to an honors society or were otherwise recognized for exemplary academic performance (i.e. graduating with honors)
3. They graduated with a GPA between 3.0 - 4.0 / were in the upper 33% of their class.

Is that really all it takes to be considered for GS-07 over GS-05 listings? Having a good GPA? I can't find very many GS-05 listings beyond "gardener" or "professional copy machine maintenance"; the selection increases greatly when you start searching for GS-07 jobs. And yet GS-05 seems to be the grade for entry level college graduates.

Evil SpongeBob
Dec 1, 2005


Cream-of-Plenty posted:

I've noticed that several listings on USAJobs have specified that a college graduate can be considered for GS-07 if they met one of the following conditions:

1. They attended at least 1 year of graduate school
2. They belonged to an honors society or were otherwise recognized for exemplary academic performance (i.e. graduating with honors)
3. They graduated with a GPA between 3.0 - 4.0 / were in the upper 33% of their class.

Is that really all it takes to be considered for GS-07 over GS-05 listings? Having a good GPA? I can't find very many GS-05 listings beyond "gardener" or "professional copy machine maintenance"; the selection increases greatly when you start searching for GS-07 jobs. And yet GS-05 seems to be the grade for entry level college graduates.

Yes, if you are qualifying under education vice specialized experience.

Leif.
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender
Formerly Diplomaticus/SWATJester


Check the link to the FSOT/Foreign Service thread in the OP, but basically State Department is hiring for Diplomatic Security Service Special Agents. Opens March 16 and I believe closes the 30th.

Primoman
Jan 22, 2012

by Y Kant Ozma Post


A friend of my father informed me about a recent posting for Border Patrol/Customs at USA Jobs. I applied for the position and completed the mandatory online test, and had then scheduled to take the written test in Orlando, FL on April 3rd.

Was I elligible for the written test because I scored well enough on the online test, or do they offer this oppurtunity for anyone who fills out the application? What does the written test entail, what score is usually required, and how long do they take to contact you if you're elligible for the next step (the physical training in GA)?

More importantly, what are the pros/cons of Border Patrol? Since obtaining my CJ degree, this has been the biggest (and so far only) oppurtunity I've been given so far. I'm filled with questions and doubts, and I'm hoping some opinions here can help alleviate either/or.

Kase Im Licht
Jan 26, 2001


Do you mean Border Patrol or Customs & Border Protection?

Primoman
Jan 22, 2012

by Y Kant Ozma Post


CBP. Wasn't sure of the difference, but according a Googled forum, CBP makes double overtime.

Not sure of any other major advantages/disadvantages between the two.

And according to my dad's sources, scoring a 90% or higher on the test guarantees a callback for the 3 month training phase. Wondering if that's true.

Evil SpongeBob
Dec 1, 2005


Primoman posted:

A friend of my father informed me about a recent posting for Border Patrol/Customs at USA Jobs. I applied for the position and completed the mandatory online test, and had then scheduled to take the written test in Orlando, FL on April 3rd.

Was I elligible for the written test because I scored well enough on the online test, or do they offer this oppurtunity for anyone who fills out the application? What does the written test entail, what score is usually required, and how long do they take to contact you if you're elligible for the next step (the physical training in GA)?

More importantly, what are the pros/cons of Border Patrol? Since obtaining my CJ degree, this has been the biggest (and so far only) oppurtunity I've been given so far. I'm filled with questions and doubts, and I'm hoping some opinions here can help alleviate either/or.

There are a shitton of border patrol related forums (a big one on Delphi IIRC). I'd take a look at those. Also, be prepared to move to the SW United States.

mune
Sep 23, 2006


Diplomaticus posted:

Check the link to the FSOT/Foreign Service thread in the OP, but basically State Department is hiring for Diplomatic Security Service Special Agents. Opens March 16 and I believe closes the 30th.

I applied for this position and I am very, very interested in this one (more so than others I've applied for). Got my fingers crossed!

Primoman
Jan 22, 2012

by Y Kant Ozma Post


Evil SpongeBob posted:

There are a shitton of border patrol related forums (a big one on Delphi IIRC). I'd take a look at those. Also, be prepared to move to the SW United States.

Well I do reside in Florida, and Florida is one of the choices for deployment. According to my dad's friends (who work at the Miami Airport), it's a cinch to work in my hometown once I get the job.

Evil SpongeBob
Dec 1, 2005


Primoman posted:

Well I do reside in Florida, and Florida is one of the choices for deployment. According to my dad's friends (who work at the Miami Airport), it's a cinch to work in my hometown once I get the job.

Pembroke Pines (South FL) and Canadian Border positions are sought after spots for Border Patrol as you are not sitting in the desert all night and having your family living in a shithole town. I can assure you that your chances as a new hire are quite high that, if you pass everything, you will be offered the SW Border. Make sure your "dad's friends" aren't thinking of the airport CBP inspectors which are a different animal than BPA.

Edit: Grammar.

Evil SpongeBob fucked around with this message at Mar 21, 2012 around 14:00

mcpringles
Jan 26, 2004



Has anyone ever applied for a roster position before? Recently I applied for a position which was a 6 month roster and I'm not quite sure how these work. The wording makes it seem like the the best qualified candidates go on a list and when a position is posted they will only interview people selected from the roster.

I'm wondering if the 6 month roster means they plan on hiring for that position within the next 6 months or is it likely the 6 months will go by with no hiring?

stephelopholus
Feb 24, 2011


mune posted:

I applied for this position and I am very, very interested in this one (more so than others I've applied for). Got my fingers crossed!

Good luck! I made it to the 2nd to last step in the process last year. I am not sure if it that is a great accomplishment or not. It is an interesting hiring process. The interviewer stated that he thought I was a solid candidate, but my lack of military or law enforcement background was the difference.

AntennaGeek
May 30, 2011



Kontradaz posted:

So guys, I was wondering if you knew anything about the whole "Analyst Boot Camp" 10-week program offered by ATIC. Plop down 10k for the program, and by the end (if you arent a criminal) you get a TS clearance as well as intelligence training. I don't know how legit this is or if it's a remotely good idea, but I'd welcome some advice.

http://www.atichcd.org/index.php?op...id=16&Itemid=28

ATIC reminds me of New Horizons, and not in a good way.

There are certainly some people there that know their stuff and are invested in trying to convey that knowledge to the students? But for the most part, it just seems like one of the many organizations trying to position themselves to receive some of that sweet, sweet training budget spending from the federal gov't and contractors.

They do have partnerships with two local community colleges (Sinclair and Clark State) that seem to be working well as a pipeline for retraining people, and funneling into lower level contractor jobs around WPAFB.

AntennaGeek fucked around with this message at Mar 23, 2012 around 11:40

Stultus Maximus
Dec 21, 2009

Whenever I hit "r" in my address bar, Raine Dog comes up. Goddammit.


I just got notified of my testing time and location for that ATF position from a while back.

And between then and now, I also got notification of temporary mobilization to active duty starting two weeks after the ATF testing.

gently caress.

scavok
Feb 22, 2005


Would a masters degree be far more beneficial to being selected for a job than a second bachelors in the same general field? In my case I'll have a BS in meteorology and I'm considering a BS in environmental chemistry. I mostly just want to coast for a couple of years using my GI bill and I'm not particularly interested in research, but if it's a big factor in federal jobs I might just suck it up and not be lazy.

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grover
Jan 23, 2002

PEW PEW PEW







scavok posted:

Would a masters degree be far more beneficial to being selected for a job than a second bachelors in the same general field? In my case I'll have a BS in meteorology and I'm considering a BS in environmental chemistry. I mostly just want to coast for a couple of years using my GI bill and I'm not particularly interested in research, but if it's a big factor in federal jobs I might just suck it up and not be lazy.
A 2nd BS doesn't get you much (if anything). Even a masters gets your little; you're eligible to start as a GS-9 vice GS-7, but you'd already be a GS-11 by that point if you'd had started as a GS-7 today, and would also have two years of work experience.

"Environmental chemistry" sounds awfully nichey. Search usajobs for jobs you're interested in and what degrees they require for those positions- you're probably going to be better off with a straight "chemistry" MS even if your electives tend toward the environmental side. That will place you in consideration for far more positions.

scavok
Feb 22, 2005


grover posted:

A 2nd BS doesn't get you much (if anything). Even a masters gets your little; you're eligible to start as a GS-9 vice GS-7, but you'd already be a GS-11 by that point if you'd had started as a GS-7 today, and would also have two years of work experience.

"Environmental chemistry" sounds awfully nichey. Search usajobs for jobs you're interested in and what degrees they require for those positions- you're probably going to be better off with a straight "chemistry" MS even if your electives tend toward the environmental side. That will place you in consideration for far more positions.

Most of the physical/earth science jobs look to only require a BS in any science/engineering subject, so a niche major is still eligible. My primary interest is in meteorology and forecasting, which have more specific requirements that I meet, but I want to use my GI Bill first. If it were to only come down to a 2 pay grade difference that's not a big deal, I'm only worried about getting my foot in the door.

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

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I am a senior intending to graduate around mid-June (missing a requisite PE class) with a BS in Biomedical Engineering. Like a lot of kids my age, I'm totally clueless as to what I'm going to do after graduation. I'm wondering if this would be a good path to go down? I have a few questions as a result.

Are federal jobs subject to discrimination over LGBT status? I'm transgendered, and I worry that I may be turned down if I am required to disclose my trans status. Is this a major problem, or what is the track record the government has for that sort of thing?

Is this a good place to start if I'm not-quite-just beginning my work experience? I am 21 years old and literally about to graduate with my BS, so I'm not exactly someone with five years in IT or something like that. I have some experience under my belt in research and being a lab assistant, but I'm worried that that wouldn't qualify me for anything. Does this mean that I should look elsewhere for employment? Is this a good place to start? If not, where?

Thank you for your time.

Drewski
Apr 15, 2005

Good thing Vader didn't touch my bike. Good thing for him.

/\/\/\: The federal government has very strict rules in place regarding discrimination. Federal work sites and personnel are all subject to EEO law and Obama added gender identity to the list of protections. You can read more at http://www.aclu.org/lgbt-rights/adm...tunity-policies

scavok posted:

Most of the physical/earth science jobs look to only require a BS in any science/engineering subject, so a niche major is still eligible. My primary interest is in meteorology and forecasting, which have more specific requirements that I meet, but I want to use my GI Bill first. If it were to only come down to a 2 pay grade difference that's not a big deal, I'm only worried about getting my foot in the door.

What's your veteran's status? We vets can get some pretty exemplary benefits that can put us over the top on applications. Do you know if you qualify for VEOA or VRA? Do you have 30% disability? If you want your foot in the door you may just be able to kick the door in

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Evil SpongeBob
Dec 1, 2005


Drewski posted:

What's your veteran's status? We vets can get some pretty exemplary benefits that can put us over the top on applications. Do you know if you qualify for VEOA or VRA? Do you have 30% disability? If you want your foot in the door you may just be able to kick the door in

10 or 5 points is almost mandatory for hiring now. The ATF exam seems to have been exclusively offered to veterans after the last announcement. Even some non-vet laterals didn't get passed through from what I've heard.

scavok
Feb 22, 2005


Drewski posted:

What's your veteran's status? We vets can get some pretty exemplary benefits that can put us over the top on applications. Do you know if you qualify for VEOA or VRA? Do you have 30% disability? If you want your foot in the door you may just be able to kick the door in

Look like I'd be eligible for VEOA and VRA, but not 30% disability. If I'm understanding VRA correctly, because I have some decorations from iraq/afghanistan, I'll still be eligible for it after being separated for more than 3 years?

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Drewski
Apr 15, 2005

Good thing Vader didn't touch my bike. Good thing for him.

scavok posted:

Look like I'd be eligible for VEOA and VRA, but not 30% disability. If I'm understanding VRA correctly, because I have some decorations from iraq/afghanistan, I'll still be eligible for it after being separated for more than 3 years?

That's correct, it only has to show on your DD-214. You'll be VRA and VEOA eligible for life. (In my case, I deployed to Bosnia supporting NATO in Operation Joint Forge and got the Armed Forces Expeditionary Medal.)

The cool thing about VRA is that you can be selected for positions non-competitively. It isn't a very common thing for people to perform outright VRA hires without knowing the person, though, but if you make a reputation for yourself you can go all the way up to GS-11 and completely bypass all the hiring bullshit.

Again, in my circumstances, I took a job with the Army as a GWOT term and got my permanent status via VRA 2 years in. It's been my experience that hiring managers simply don't realize they can do this so I started adding it to my resume in my military experience. Just something simple like "Honorably discharged at rank of SSGT; eligible for noncompetitive VRA Appointment."

Peven Stan
Feb 1, 2006


Wow, government moving swifter than I thought possible. Already shot down for payment disbursement specialist

crankdatbatman
Dec 18, 2007

12th Mane

Hey everyone! So I was wondering if I could come here for some advice about a job I've applied for through USAJOBS. After finishing up with grad school in Engineering, I seriously considered going to law school for patent law. However, in the end, thanks in part to the law school thread, I decided to apply to be a Patent Examiner for the USPTO, which would have me working in the DC area.

I completed my application for the GS-7/GS-9 Patent Examiner position in mid-February and never really thought of it much outside of being a pipe dream. However, as the process continued, I noticed my application status become more...interesting. I received notice that I was eligible and that my application was headed to a selecting official. Later, I received an invitation for a phone interview, which I also accepted. I had my phone interview last week and haven't really heard back since.

I originally dismissed this job opportunity as no shot in hell, but that there was no harm in trying. Now, especially after being selected for an interview, I feel I may have a shot at this. I have not heard any bad news or good news, the only thing since my interview is I still get e-mail notifications saying my application has been updated, even though nothing has changed that I am aware of (which may or may not mean something in itself). I'm not a patient person, so this wait is unnerving to me; and it would be nice to have some answers to a few questions if there are any available:

1. Is it meaningful to have been given a phone interview? Or is the hiring process at this point not very competitive and they are basically giving everyone a shot?

2. How long is the wait usually for government jobs such as this? I know that I've heard the generalization that the government takes forever to do something, but I'm sort of at a critical point in my life in terms of what I want to do with my career and personal life, so I want to make sure I'm giving this opportunity enough time to process.

3. Do USAJobs applications typically give out notifications if you do not receive a job or consideration for it? I am well aware of the idea of companies/employers not interested in you never contacting you; but I honestly have had very few interviews, and zero interviews that did not turn into jobs in my young career. I don't know anything about the process that USAJobs works through.

4. A lesser important question, but does anyone know how many more steps in the hiring process there are past phone interviews, in general? I'm sure there would be a second, more personal interview later on.

Thanks for considering and possibly replying to my issue. I don't really want to hear anything about how lovely the job is in itself. I have done a good bit of research into the position and feel very comfortable that this is the right kind of job for me, should I land it. I know it's very dull, but I'm ok with that. It's a huge deal for me because this could be a position that could very well become my career and be the catalyst to finally getting engaged to my longtime girlfriend and settling down.

E: Oh and just a minor detail, but I felt very good about my interview, with no real blunders happening. Of course, that's all subjective, though.

Admiral BJ
May 28, 2005
Kicking ass and taking names

If you get a phone interview then you've made it to the closest point before getting the job.

The wait time varies, usually at the very least a month.

I would call/email whoever you interviewed with and just see whats up.

Gravel Gravy
Apr 3, 2008

Worst. Venue. Ever.

Its been almost a year since I've posted here. Just got an offer for that embassy contractor job after being rejected 3-4 times in the past couple of years. Sure it would activate my clearance but I'm having doubts that even with that and the language study would be better than attending the grad school I got accepted to. Any one have a differing opinion? Otherwise I'm willing to tell them too little too late. Plus kinda banking on round 2 of the DS exam.

Plus I just had to buy a new car after an oak tree crushed my old a couple of weeks ago, so if I left then that would've kinda been a waste.

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psydude
Mar 31, 2008

Perry'd.


Gravel Gravy posted:

Its been almost a year since I've posted here. Just got an offer for that embassy contractor job after being rejected 3-4 times in the past couple of years. Sure it would activate my clearance but I'm having doubts that even with that and the language study would be better than attending the grad school I got accepted to. Any one have a differing opinion? Otherwise I'm willing to tell them too little too late. Plus kinda banking on round 2 of the DS exam.

Plus I just had to buy a new car after an oak tree crushed my old a couple of weeks ago, so if I left then that would've kinda been a waste.

Go to grad school. Embassy jobs will still be there when you get out.

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