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psydude
Mar 31, 2008

Perry'd.


Quarex posted:

* Why do most, but not all, National Guard positions require membership in the National Guard? What are they so worried about?!?!

Those are Miltech positions, where the person works as a civilian in a role typically occupied military personnel in an active duty unit (admin/S1, supply/S4, maintenance/S4 etc.) and then drills in that same position as member of the unit on drill weekends. The idea behind it is continuity of responsibility and forcing the civilians to understand the impact they have on unit operations by making them actually participate as a military member on a part time basis.

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Diplomaticus
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender


Quarex posted:

Late night thoughts for the day:

* Is there any way to get a job in intelligence without already having had a job in intelligence? I assume this is the kind of thing where if you are not a military person you just have no way to get the requisite skills?

* Why do most, but not all, National Guard positions require membership in the National Guard? What are they so worried about?!?!

1. Yes. Apply anyway. Also check out the defense contractor thread (I think it's in GIP?) as it may give you an idea about things you could potentially study.
2. Either what psydude said, or they are AGR (basically "active" guard, full time NG positions) billeted positions. NG has all sorts of weird quirks by virtue of being both state and federal that you won't see in the reserves.

Quarex
Apr 18, 2003

Beware the man who has lived longer than the Wasteland.

Read paragraph 65.


Unrelated: My favorite thing about the rejection letters from USAJobs is that I can never tell which job they are for, so it is like never being 100% disappointed!

CherryCola posted:

1) Yes. Many people get hired straight out of college. An MA helps. Just apply for everything and be able to get and maintain a clearance.

Diplomaticus posted:

1. Yes. Apply anyway. Also check out the defense contractor thread (I think it's in GIP?) as it may give you an idea about things you could potentially study.
Awesome, thanks! I clearly do need to look for this thread and stay focused on the fact that my MA helps. Thus my second MA must help even more (; more like )

Every time I find an intelligence job it says you need experience in SIGINT CYBINT PARTYTIMEINT and have a year spent analyzing geospatial intelligence data, but I would hardly be surprised if I had the wrong job criteria in my saved searches. I gotta check out that contractor thread to learn more!

psydude posted:

Those are Miltech positions, where the person works as a civilian in a role typically occupied military personnel in an active duty unit (admin/S1, supply/S4, maintenance/S4 etc.) and then drills in that same position as member of the unit on drill weekends. The idea behind it is continuity of responsibility and forcing the civilians to understand the impact they have on unit operations by making them actually participate as a military member on a part time basis.

Diplomaticus posted:

2. Either what psydude said, or they are AGR (basically "active" guard, full time NG positions) billeted positions. NG has all sorts of weird quirks by virtue of being both state and federal that you won't see in the reserves.
The "both state and federal" thing makes a lot of sense, and is actually kind of fascinating to think about. Certainly that could explain the focus on making sure their federal-oriented positions go to someone already in or willing to join the state branch.

Those jobs actually sound extra-interesting because of the whole "military training" aspect. Not, like, interesting for me to join, but interesting like if I were the sort of person who would do that then it would be an added appeal.

Xandu
Feb 19, 2006


It's hard to be humble when you're as great as I am.

Quarex posted:


Awesome, thanks! I clearly do need to look for this thread and stay focused on the fact that my MA helps. Thus my second MA must help even more (; more like )

Every time I find an intelligence job it says you need experience in SIGINT CYBINT PARTYTIMEINT and have a year spent analyzing geospatial intelligence data, but I would hardly be surprised if I had the wrong job criteria in my saved searches. I gotta check out that contractor thread to learn more!

You most likely won't get hired as an intelligence contractor without an active security clearance. If you want in, I wouldn't bother with USAJobs, go straight to the agency websites and apply there. Most of them have entry-level positions requiring no experience, although they do look for certain things like languages.

But yeah, there are some ultra-specific job postings out there where there really can't be that many qualified applicants.

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