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Handsome Ralph
Sep 3, 2004

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Suntory BOSS posted:

USAJobs needs a 'stay logged in' option and a better search function. I'm tired of searching for jobs in Country X and half of the results are Countries Y, Z and Nebraska.

This. This times a loving thousand.

I'd also appreciate it if Obamas new guidelines on hiring came into effect sooner than later.

Konstantin posted:

Be prepared for a very long wait time, I applied for a Federal job in February, interviewed in June, and am still in the system, with the HR people telling me it will take at least another three months for the background check and medical to clear (after an hour and a half hold time before someone answered at their helpdesk.) I know it will be worth it at the end, but don't expect it to be like the private sector where you get a decision fairly quickly. I hear that for some agencies, the processing time between your initial contact and hiring can be as much as 18 months.

Apparently Obamas guidelines address this.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/11/AR2010051104357.html
I applied for a DoT Analyst position in December. I completely forgot about it till I got an email last week telling me the position had been filled and thanking me for my time. :suicide:


Question for anyone with Geospatial Intelligence Agency experience. I applied for the hiring event they are holding in August. Supposedly they are going to call people for interviews and such sometime this month to see if they are good to go for next months event. My boss at FEMA told me that apparently of all of the intelligence agencies, this one hires quite a bit and is much easier to get in at entry level. Any truth to this or was he blowing smoke up my rear end?

Handsome Ralph fucked around with this message at 15:48 on Jul 5, 2010

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Handsome Ralph
Sep 3, 2004

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Zoo posted:

It's true they're hiring a lot right now and a job fair is a good way to get in. If it's an invite-only fair, though, then don't expect to be interviewed at the fair if you aren't called (but there's still time).

Yeah they closed the posting on the 18th and said they would call sometime afterwords for interviews for the fair. It was invite only so I'm hoping that they'll call sometime in the next few weeks with the holiday weekend and all. Considering the fair isn't till August 14/15, I've got time.

Seriously, I hate how the 4th of July/end of the second quarter causes everyone to shut down their hiring stuff for the last two weeks of June and they basically start calling again after the holiday weekend. :argh:

Ramms+ein posted:

I went to an invite only job fair in St. Louis for a Geospatial Analyst position...

Yeah I wouldn't mind a heads up on what I may be asked. Feel free to PM me or shoot me an email.

Handsome Ralph
Sep 3, 2004

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Gravel Gravy posted:

Oh god how I hate USAjobs. And the entire hiring process for the government. But damned if I don't keep trying. Gonna watch this thread closely.

What can be a good career to start out as and to look for if you plan on sticking with an agency? Is it possible to start as an office assistant or a janitor and work your way up from there?

Yes, although I do believe you have to work for a year before you gain preference.

My former boss was a DEA SAC and from what she told me, half her agents started out doing either low key clerical work or janitorial work. After a year passed by, they had Federal Preference, applied for agent positions and were brought on after going through agent school in Georgia.


spcefrk posted:

I think there was a thread around here that linked to a site which publicly listed real past reasons people had security clearances denied. It's apparently public domain. Most were boring, some were hilarious. I don't know where it is or what the link was but maybe some goon with better bookmarks than I can find it.

http://www.dod.gov/dodgc/doha/industrial/

Handsome Ralph
Sep 3, 2004

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Pompous Rhombus posted:

Do you have any tips on applying preference? I've got a Schedule A hiring exemption but I can't really figure out how to make anything out of it. Wasn't good enough to get me a DoS intern gig, at any rate :smith:

I don't unfortunately :smith: I was just a lowly intern and now I'm patiently bidding my time in the DC area till I can find a decent job and hopefully one day move on to government work.

Handsome Ralph
Sep 3, 2004

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That makes three of us then. Good thing DC is pretty awesome city. Thanks for posting that link CherryCola!

Edit:gently caress! I totally would have gone to that career fair had I not dropped my suit off at the cleaners and said I'd grab it Friday.

Also, figures I move away from Boston and they have Passport Specialists positions up there opening up. My boss at my internship told me that they would be hiring for that position in DC and she would speak with a former colleague so I could at least land an interview. Oh well, I'll call her anyways, maybe same colleague has something going on with Foreign Affairs or Program Analyst.

Handsome Ralph fucked around with this message at 22:54 on Jul 13, 2010

Handsome Ralph
Sep 3, 2004

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Screw it, I'm going. I'll just wear a dress shirt with a tie.

Handsome Ralph
Sep 3, 2004

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Skandiaavity posted:

All over this, thanks a bunch... been trying to get into UN for 3-some years now! Are there any UN goons? :( competition go~

postin from my phone, that job fair was okay, wayyyyyyy too many people, did not realize how many people actually don't have jobs :/. and I just spent an hour or so chatting with a nice girl from state, while she explained to me all about the civil service :/. The CIA lady did seem overly interested, though. She asked me a lot of questions.

Yeah, that fair seriously gave me mixed feelings. On one side, the two agencies I would really like to work for, Geo-spatial and Archives, had really short lines and talked to me for quite a bit. One the down side, gently caress there are a lot of people.

CIA I didn't even bother waiting in line for, ditto with DHS since they weren't taking resumes and didn't have a FEMA contingent on hand. I swear to God half the people in that line were only in it for the grab bag. Did they actually take resumes or was it just Q/A with them?

Handsome Ralph
Sep 3, 2004

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GreySkies posted:


I wish the fair had been today! I would have driven to DC for it. Has anybody ever gotten a bite while applying before graduating? I'm getting out in December, so my plan was to start applying in October to gauge interest levels in employers, but being in another state and still in school feel like stumbling blocks.


Do yourself a favor and start applying now. The process is long enough as it is. I graduated in May, started my search in late November/Early December and I'm still looking.

Handsome Ralph
Sep 3, 2004

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Pompous Rhombus posted:

Just got done scanning my transcripts for this. I'm applying for the Foreign Affairs Specialist (yeah right) and the Passport Specialist (maybe?). I figure I'll put down Detroit for the latter; hopefully it'll increase the odds since presumably it's the worst place on the list.

Ditto, except I put down Boston for the Passport Specialist since it's my hometown and it'd be easier for me to move back up there than anywhere else at this point.

Also applied for the Program Analyst position as well. Fingers crossed.

Handsome Ralph
Sep 3, 2004

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Gravel Gravy posted:

Well sent the application materials. Concerned that my scanned transcript might not make it for whatever reason. Hoping for the best, but not expecting to hear from these people until the end of times.

I wouldn't worry too much about the transcripts. I use a word document that's basically a copy/paste of my unofficial transcript.

If anything, they just glance over that initially to see if your course load is something they like. When they start to get serious, that's when they ask for the official transcript that you usually request from your schools admin office.

Handsome Ralph
Sep 3, 2004

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Heads up for anyone who likes archives work.

http://archives.gov/careers/jobs/fcip/

Handsome Ralph
Sep 3, 2004

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Gravel Gravy posted:

Got an email for thr passport specialist job. Got back to dc and I'm without power at the house. So much for filling out that questionnaire.

You've got two weeks to fill it out. You'll be fine :)

Handsome Ralph
Sep 3, 2004

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Gawain The Blind posted:

You and me both. Admittedly, this was for a GS3 clerk gig. Maybe they didn't care. But other employees i've talked to told me that's what everyone does. A lot of them laughed when I told them I filled it out honestly, and I got the :rolleyes: "sigh, noobs" look.

gently caress me that's annoying...and infuriating to a degree.

Well I got my NOR for the archivist development program...apparently I didn't meet the education requirements, despite my degree and background being line for line what they were asking for in the job posting as well as when I met with a rep at the career fair.

Oh well, here's to next time.

Handsome Ralph
Sep 3, 2004

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Ugh between the waiting game that is federal employment and the general DC area having a so-so job market right now, post-grad sucks so far.

When are the new changes for Federal Hiring going into effect? November, right?

Handsome Ralph
Sep 3, 2004

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SWATJester posted:

Ugh, why would you go to law school.

Did you not read the megathread?

Every time someone says to me, "hey why don't you go to law school", I wish I could just print out the megathread and show them. It would make things so much easier.

Handsome Ralph
Sep 3, 2004

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CherryCola posted:

I have an M.A. If I remember correctly, some just start with Univ. That thing is pretty picky. Try experimenting with different abbreviation.

edit: Just talked to the recruiting lady and accepted a VERY NICE offer. Kinda sucks that I can't actually start for at least six months, though. Welp, back to applying for other crap.

double edit: A bit terrified of this security clearance process though. I've been pretty much a goodie-goodie for most of my life, but I'm worried some old, forgotten and misconstrued crap will come back to bit me on the arse.

Just be up front and honest, they are looking for people who aren't going to lie or bullshit them, not saints.

Handsome Ralph
Sep 3, 2004

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I got a 91. But with the rate of how competitive these things are, I don't expect to hear anything further. :smith:

Also got a NoR letter back for an archives position I applied for. I got an EL rating but no numerical score. Is that normal?

EDIT: Never mind, got a referal letter just now for the same position. Got a score of 91.

Handsome Ralph
Sep 3, 2004

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Gravel Gravy posted:

I know right? I am pale, male, but no Yale. And 2/3 ain't bad damnit!

I am going to use this from now on when people ask why I don't have a career type job yet.

Handsome Ralph
Sep 3, 2004

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Pompous Rhombus posted:

I picked two useless majors, studied a useless language, and didn't work for free as an intern when I was a student/have connections where I could make nepotism work for me upon graduation.

And that's the even shittier thing for me. I did the internship thing and I have the connections that go with it. Unfortunately, they mean jack poo poo in an economy/hiring environment like this.

Seriously it's only been 4 months since I graduated, so I'm optimistic that this kinda thing can't last forever...right? :smith:

Handsome Ralph
Sep 3, 2004

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Gravel Gravy posted:

^^^^ What he said. (Edit: New page, new leaf)




But being good in what I am doing now doesn't mean poo poo. I am working for a cokehead manager that can not spell "first aid KIT". He mispelled KIT as "KITE".

Although when we get that for the store, it is going to be fun in the sun.

Edit 2: Not going to be a sour puss. I have been applying to these jobs since September, graduated in December and have basically been doing dick since then. Going to keep on walking.

Besides guys, State Dept. is probably one of the most difficult places to actually get into. Keep your it in your pants and keep loving that chicken.

No you're wrong you jackass. Obviously it's a kite you fly in the event of a medical emergency in order to signal for help. Duh.

In serious agreement with the both of you though. It's too easy to get bitter about how hard it is to land something right now, but I'm not going to let it happen to me. I figure as long as I keep trying and working towards improving myself academically and professionally, I will find something halfway decent that I can build upon.

However, I still reserve the right to bitch about the economy, cause I mean COME THE gently caress ON.

Handsome Ralph
Sep 3, 2004

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Gravel Gravy posted:

Instead they gave it to some 55+ y/o guy. So much for that entry level program too.

Keep your options open is what I am saying. Also, Human Resources is the scum of the earth.

That's what really pisses me off. Not that 55+ year old guys are getting jobs, that's all fine and dandy and I can sympathize since my dad was in that position a few years back, but having programs like the FCIP or the CEP that you know they created and aim towards people in our shoes (Recent Grads, Graduate Students, recently separated vets, etc) yet they are hiring mid to senior level professionals who are well beyond the G5-7 bands. It's so loving backwards. What...the...gently caress...

Handsome Ralph
Sep 3, 2004

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suboptimal posted:

It's pretty hilarious that you're using the same tactics to get yourself hired in DC that aspiring screenwriters use in Hollywood to get themselves noticed.

On another note, I'm moving to DC in about a week and a half to try to make it out there and find something. Anyone want to meet up at some point or another and share "it sucks being unemployed" stories? Perhaps a few of you gainfully employed folks can show up and assuage us with "don't worry, you'll get a job....someday" pats on the back.

Gravel Gravy and I have had a few of these, they help...I think.

But seriously check the goon meets thread, one goon has a movie night at his house every month that always ends up being a good time.

Handsome Ralph
Sep 3, 2004

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Well I finally found gainful employment that isn't retail and isn't a temp gig with a research database company. It's not with the Feds but it's certainly a huge step in the right direction considering the way the economy is right now. Here's to hoping after a few years of experience and a grad degree under my belt, I can finagle something with the Fed.

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Handsome Ralph
Sep 3, 2004

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So DSS just called me asking me if I wanted to come in and take a written and oral exam in December.

I had to turn it down because I just started a full-time job I rather like and can't afford to take any personal days from my start date next week till at least February.


Please tell me I did not just colossally gently caress up and the test being offered is as common as the FSOT.

Handsome Ralph
Sep 3, 2004

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Tyro posted:

Yes you are OK. I know a lot of people who have taken the BEX. But you can only do it every year and they stagger the job postings so it's really more like every 2 years. I would've tried to do it personally but you know your situation best!

I would have loved to be honest. I did ask if they had alternate times or evening testing and they said no to both, so I tried and they were polite about it either way. If I was unemployed still or was working somewhere that I didn't give a poo poo about, I totally would have scheduled anyways and figured something out.

Hearing that at least its not like I just threw away the hardest test to get into though does make me feel better. That would have been the icing to top my lovely day.

Handsome Ralph
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Gravel Gravy posted:

Holy hell I think they just called me too, but I was in the other room and they didn't leave a voicemail. Number says private so I can't say for sure.

I really hope they will call back, whoever they are.

Yeah that had to be them. It was a private number that called me.

Handsome Ralph
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Kase Im Licht posted:

Guys who got the DSS BEX call, or thought you got the call, mind saying what location you would be interviewing in? I've heard they go location by location in scheduling. Trying to figure out if I should spend the day staring at my phone waiting for it to ring.

I'm in the DC area.

Handsome Ralph
Sep 3, 2004

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Just submitted an application with OPM for a Writer-Editor job.
https://www.usajobs.gov/GetJob/ViewDetails/416815800

Long shot, but anyone here work for OPM or in this particular office? Any pointers? I'm 99.9 positive I'm well qualified for the job, but knowing more might help.

Also it's been over five years since I've applied for a Federal job. Should I still expect to hurry up and wait and not get a letter or phone call either way for at least 2-3 months?

Handsome Ralph
Sep 3, 2004

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Couple of dumb questions, forgive me, it's been awhile since I've applied to anything on USAJOBS...

-The paygrade for the job I'm applying for provides a range for that paygrades steps. If I were hired at that paygrade, would I start at the bottom step or would it depend on my experience, etc?

-Is it worth including cover letters when you apply through the site? I feel like when I last applied for jobs, it was dependent on the agency. Not sure if anything has changed there.

Handsome Ralph
Sep 3, 2004

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So I'm going to start looking at getting a job with the Feds (D.C. based) finally after spending 11 years in the private sector.

It's been awhile since I've seriously applied to anything on USA Jobs so I'm gonna reformat my resume as I apply to stuff but I'm still not entirely sure what the best way to do so is. I'm learning now that apparently plastering the announcement number all over your resume and required docs is a thing now so I'm taking that into account.

Having said all that, I found this guys template for USA Jobs postings on Reddit (shutup) and it seems like it's cromulent enough for what I need.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_PtqI2rsmWUYVfZHbuZckAwUlSut9SzBWoc4uMkvI0w/edit

Any opinions/advice on the above?

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Handsome Ralph
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Thank you both, I appreciate it!

My plan is to start applying over the next few weeks. I'm going out of the country for three weeks next month but something tells me it won't matter because I remember the last time I went through this process it took months for any kind of word to get back to me. I've also got a friend at a sub agency that mentioned they are in need of influx of PM's and they'd look into getting my resume viewed if at all possible, so maybe that'll work out.

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