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Uncle Jam
Aug 20, 2005

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My question is then, how does a team come up with its overarching offensive plan?

If coaches are only familiar with one system, is this pretty much the guaranteed system the team will use? Are players then recruited that fit this system?

The other way around would be you use the system that relies on your players strengths. Which is typical?

I understand that Peyton would be more likely to have a system built around him than say Josh McCown, but all I remember is west coast offense being forced on the Lions for a long time and I don't really understand why.

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Uncle Jam
Aug 20, 2005

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I think a set like that is inefficient and going to limit your options instead of expand them. McCoy is limited to where he can go because Vick isn't going to block for him. If Kolb gets the ball, again Vick is totally useless. He can't block, he probably won't get open if he goes downfield (and plus receivers get destroyed every so often), and handing the ball off to him is a really bad idea. Running QBs work by stretching the defense before taking off, whereas RBs get the job done with explosive power and acceleration.

If Vick gets the ball Kolb is even more useless. What is the difference between Vick and Kolb getting the ball? Basically you are using up a TE or WR so a guy can stand there in the backfield doing nothing.

Uncle Jam
Aug 20, 2005

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McKracken posted:

Granted this is the questions thread, it's assumed that everyone reading is familiar with the greatest pass rushing LB in football history and a 3 time super bowl winning coach.

I think this thread is also for people who are completely new to football, because if you know about LT the LB then why do you need to read about what a quarterback and halfback are in the OP?

Although I agree that people like Taylor or Theisman (not their coming together) should be outlined in the OP.

Uncle Jam
Aug 20, 2005

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I'm noticing a lot more mouthguards flying out everywhere than ever before. Is there a reason for this or am I just imagining it?

Uncle Jam
Aug 20, 2005

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Stephen posted:

The way you describe it makes me a bit jealous that I didn't get to be a part of an American college. =(

When I had too much homework for football Saturday I would just open my dorm window and know how the game was going by the 80,000 people's reaction just a few blocks away.

Also on football Saturday at college you can just walk around and people are BBQ (tailgating) with beer EVERYWHERE and just cause you go to the same college they'll just chat you up and give you free food and beer. Once or twice I became drunk before I even made it to my friend's BBQ.

Uncle Jam
Aug 20, 2005

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JetsGuy posted:

I triple majored and carried 18 credit hours along with two part time jobs (TA, lab assistant), and I still went to every loving Vanderbilt home game. I knew we were going to lose terribly, and I still went to our high school stadium.

"Too much homework".

CFB rules, even if you're getting your rear end kicked.

That said, I enjoyed it much more when I was at LSU and actually got to enjoy watching a real football team and a far more fun tailgating crowd.

Nah, there was no way. I was straight up at school during the week from 8am to 1am every day, and didn't have everything done for the weekends. I had a lot of projects that were time consuming, like fabbing wafers in a nano lab, which you do when the equipment is free. Professors who were paying for time got precedence over classes too.

On the flip side now my job is awesome and I'm within walking distance of a different college stadium and I have time to tailgate before and after and afford nice seats every game.

Uncle Jam
Aug 20, 2005

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A punter also has to receive the snap a couple of times a game without ever loving it up and I guess a kicker could have his hands amputated and still be somewhat ok.

Uncle Jam
Aug 20, 2005

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MonsterUnderYourBed posted:

Ahh, that makes a lot more sense. Over here college sports aren't spectated at all and high school teams generally play on friday afternoons.

Yeah, again, this goes back to the fact that football was a college only sport for a while before the pro game came up and had any weight. Even now, the attendance of college games is way more than NFL. Of course there are way more teams.

Uncle Jam
Aug 20, 2005

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Trin Tragula posted:

Since sports drinks have been a thing, the market's been pretty much cornered by Lucozade, and they basically had 20 years to establish themselves before Coke and Pepsi waded in; they've got enough sales to make it worthwhile, but Lucozade's still got something like 60-70% of the market. It's quite amusing when you consider that this is the combined marketing forces of Coke and Pepsi we're talking about.

It's basically the same problem that Powerade has in the USA; Gatorade is such a gigantic gorilla, and it had so much lead time to set itself up comfortably and get settled in, that no matter how hard they push, the gorilla isn't going anywhere that it doesn't want to. Over here, Lucozade is the gorilla and always will be as long as every time a Premier League player goes down injured, on come the Lucozade bottles.

Who are the Lucoz that it is aiding?

Uncle Jam
Aug 20, 2005

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I kept meeting people in Japan who played football. Apparently college football is on the rise there



Uncle Jam
Aug 20, 2005

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Toussaint Louverture posted:

So I'm seeing a Korean girl and she wants an explanation of football. Anyone know of a complete beginners guide that gives a succinct explanation in less advanced English? I've seen the wikipedia page but that might bore her too much. Her English is good but she'll take a little longer to read.

I work in a Japanese office and every year I bring some of them to a UofM game or Lions game (This year it was the Lions-Colts game jesus christ).

The best way is to print some B&W field diagrams out and sit down with a pen. First go over basic scoring before anything, because without any ultimate goal it can get frustrating.

Then go over how the teams are designated offense and defense, and how the plaeyrs line up on the line of scrimmage. The LOS concept is necessary to explain downs and line to gain. The 1st down reset is always the most difficult concept for some reason.

After the basic flow of the game is established, turn over the paper and start drawing Xs and Os to explain the flow of a single play. Just stick to something basic like a single back set on the offense and cover 2 on the defense. You can talk about whether people are lined up in their position because of rule or strategy. People want reasons for why things happen.

People will pick it up at different rates. For one guy I did the above, after explaining blocking, he asked if it was possible to overload one side with receivers and have most of them block and throw to one of them. He came up with a screen play literally 10 minutes after learning his first football rule.

Whatever you do, DON'T try to do the basics during a game, on TV or in real life. Most articles are too technical, and common events that sprout from technical rules aren't so obvious sometimes. Better to just do it yourself.

Uncle Jam
Aug 20, 2005

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Trin Tragula posted:

Any loose ball is dead if it comes to rest and the covering official sees that nobody is trying to recover it. See it stop, look left, look right, nobody gives a gently caress, ping it. Possession is awarded to the team that's "supposed" to have the ball, so after a scrimmage kick (that crosses the neutral zone) comes to rest, it's Team B's ball, 1st and 10, and there are of course special rules about where the ball goes after an unsuccessful field goal that's untouched by Team B.

If a Dolphin had been the first player to touch the ball, that would have been illegal touching and unless something seriously weird happened after that, the Cowboys would as a worst-case scenario have been able to take the ball at that spot and knee the game out. There is literally less than no reason for a Team B player to go chasing a missed field goal that's bouncing around on the floor, which is why what he did was quite so highlight-reel hilarious even without it being Leon Lett.

A very important addition is that for a kickoff the ball can be recovered by the kicking team without Team B touching it after it has traveled for 10 yards.

Once in a while in a normal kick off situation (usually in college) there is great hilarity as Team B has trouble getting to the ball in their own end zone while Team A bears down on them.

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Uncle Jam
Aug 20, 2005

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19 and 0 baby!

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