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Macaluso
Sep 23, 2005

I HATE THAT HEDGEHOG, BROTHER!


So I know a lot of people were disappointed that Repunzel wasn't going to have the painting look that it was originally supposed to have, but today they released two new trailers for Tangled (several parts of the trailer are the same) and I dunno. I think it looks like it'll be a fun cute movie. Is anyone else looking forward to it?

Domestic trailer: http://insidemovies.moviefone.com/2...trailer-disney/

International trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycoY201RTRo

It looks like it'll be at least as good as Bolt, which I loved. (Though I also quite liked Meet the Robinsons).

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Automatic Jack
Aug 6, 2010


I liked Meet the Robinsons too. As for Tangled, it reminds me a bit of Road to El Dorado, which I loved. I have a strong feeling that the movie is going to be much better than the trailers would suggest; the way they cut the scenes together doesn't make any friggin' sense and throws my sense of continuity all out of whack. Like when he's giving her the smouldering look and she's right up near him with her hand on the chair, and then in the very next cut she's all the way on the other side of the room, and then the actual continuation of the scene is put at the end of the trailer. The catapault scene links up awkwardly to him landing on his horse, and Rapunzel's "Flynn, watch out!" reaction doesn't synch with the next bit of the branch falling. And I could go on.

I know trailers aren't great at contextualizing, but here it felt they were making up punchlines to jokes that didn't exist, giving the trailer a kind of disjointed hokiness that may very well not be present in the actual film. Also I'm pretty sure that the trailer's intense focus on the male protagonist is due to the fact that part of Disney's reason for Princess and the Frog not doing as well as expected was because the word "princess" was in the title. Mind, these are all complaints I've been reading elsewhere; I didn't personally think about the Flynn-centric-ness until it was pointed out.

The floating lantern stuff has me curious, though.

Dopefish Lives!
Nov 27, 2004

Swim swim hungry


The UK trailer is much better than the American one (and leagues better than the teaser trailer), not least because Rapunzel's role is increased in it. Says a lot about cultural differences that the sexist marketing isn't as obvious in the UK trailer. It's still not the movie I was hoping it could be (that concept art was so gorgeous) but I'll keep an open mind.

Croisquessein
Feb 25, 2005

invisible or nonexistent, and should be treated as such


^ haha, I just wanted to say I love your avatar, I haven't played Commander Keen in ages.

Fatkraken
Jun 23, 2005

Fun-time is over.

Macaluso posted:

So I know a lot of people were disappointed that Repunzel wasn't going to have the painting look that it was originally supposed to have, but today they released two new trailers for Tangled (several parts of the trailer are the same) and I dunno. I think it looks like it'll be a fun cute movie. Is anyone else looking forward to it?

Domestic trailer: http://insidemovies.moviefone.com/2...trailer-disney/

International trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycoY201RTRo

It looks like it'll be at least as good as Bolt, which I loved. (Though I also quite liked Meet the Robinsons).

That looks pretty cool. Not rewriting the book, but fun and cute. Also, the horse reminds me of Hercules' Pegasus, which is no bad thing

Faldoncow
Jun 29, 2007
Munchin' on some steak

Someone tell me how bad Alpha and Omega really is. I want to avoid watching it unless it's by some miracle better than the trailer (and plot) made it out to be.

miscellaneous14
Mar 27, 2010

DOG OF DUTY


Faldoncow posted:

Someone tell me how bad Alpha and Omega really is. I want to avoid watching it unless it's by some miracle better than the trailer (and plot) made it out to be.

39 on Metacritic so far. There was full showing at my theater earlier tonight, but the later showing was practically empty. None of this is surprising, this is pretty much the very definition of a between-seasons throwaway movie with a recognizable name or two to make a quick buck, nothing more. The only real thing of note is that it seems to be accidentally (at least I hope accidentally) targeting a...very weird demographic.

e: Also, 13% Rotten score on RT.

miscellaneous14 fucked around with this message at Sep 18, 2010 around 02:50

Faldoncow
Jun 29, 2007
Munchin' on some steak

Sounds like it's even worse than I thought then. I was sort of hoping it'd be bad plot/furriness, but have some ok jokes or something just to make it passable but a 13% is pretty abysmal. Saves me 10$ though knowing in advance, so thanks!

Internet Webguy
Apr 19, 2007

LUCKY DUCK


Faldoncow posted:

Someone tell me how bad Alpha and Omega really is. I want to avoid watching it unless it's by some miracle better than the trailer (and plot) made it out to be.

People have been saying that even members of furry forums have been hesitant to see it. Can't even win with the target demographic.

Jay Dub
Jul 27, 2009

Ooh La La?
OOH LA LA?!



Did anybody venture out to see Alpha and Omega this weekend? Has it already been suitably swept under the rug?

Additionally, a new movie popped up on my radar this morning: Gnomeo & Juliet

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-ASPGRdXkU

I'll let that sink in for a moment. Apparently this was one of the first projects rejected by John Lasseter after he began ruling Disney with an iron fist. Joke's on him, I guess, because it looks like Disney's releasing the film under their Touchstone banner anyway.

Fatkraken
Jun 23, 2005

Fun-time is over.

Jay Dub posted:

Additionally, a new movie popped up on my radar this morning: Gnomeo & Juliet

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-ASPGRdXkU

I'll let that sink in for a moment. Apparently this was one of the first projects rejected by John Lasseter after he began ruling Disney with an iron fist. Joke's on him, I guess, because it looks like Disney's releasing the film under their Touchstone banner anyway.

What.

The.

gently caress!

gently caress! It had Bullet time! In 2011, they are releasing a film with comedy bullet time! Also why are they all British? I don't want to be associated with this bullshit.

Horrible. Flat, lifeless, unfunny. The only remotely cute thing in the entire trailer was the little fish.

Automatic Jack
Aug 6, 2010


Jay Dub posted:

Additionally, a new movie popped up on my radar this morning: Gnomeo & Juliet

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-ASPGRdXkU
It looks surreal and bad.

I have a teacher who was an animator at Disney (she's still fairly well known in the industry; I believe she went to school with Brad Bird). She told us a story about a proposed animated film that was supposed to be Taming of the Shrews, with chairs. So basically the same stunt they pulled with Lion King, except instead of anthropomorphic animals, FRIGGIN' CHAIRS. She also said Michael Eisner (the then CEO) had gotten it into his head that the Noah's Ark sequence in Fantasia 2000 should end with all the male Disney characters climbing a mountain, upon which all their female counterparts/partners would be waiting with their offspring in their arms. Many sorrows were drowned after that proposal was made.

The things she told us made it sound like Disney pretty much consisted of execs who thought they were creative geniuses, constantly spewing out terrible ideas while the animators cried into their industrial-strength jars of comfort candy.

Fatkraken
Jun 23, 2005

Fun-time is over.

Automatic Jack posted:

She told us a story about a proposed animated film that was supposed to be Taming of the Shrews, with chairs. So basically the same stunt they pulled with Lion King, except instead of anthropomorphic animals, FRIGGIN' CHAIRS.

I would watch that

Only not with Anthropomorphic chairs, just regular chairs. And not animated. Just the actors reading their lines over footage of appropriately positioned chairs. Not moving.

MindTheGap
Jul 24, 2007


I, conversely, would not like to watch that movie.

Jay Dub posted:

Did anybody venture out to see Alpha and Omega this weekend? Has it already been suitably swept under the rug?
I'm pretty sure it debuted in seventh place or something equally embarrassing like that.

Jay Dub posted:

Additionally, a new movie popped up on my radar this morning: Gnomeo & Juliet

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-ASPGRdXkU
First reaction? "God drat it."

This kind of thing just infuriates me, and it has absolutely no reason to, since it's not like I'm going to be buying a ticket and sitting through this horrible crap. It's just the idea that it exists in the same realm as I do that's sort of icky.

Plus, "get thee to a 3-D theater" is parody cribbed from "Hamlet", not "Romeo & Juliet", so

Automatic Jack posted:

She also said Michael Eisner (the then CEO) had gotten it into his head that the Noah's Ark sequence in Fantasia 2000 should end with all the male Disney characters climbing a mountain, upon which all their female counterparts/partners would be waiting with their offspring in their arms.
Hahaha, Eisner was such a prick.

I don't think I heard a single good thing about working for the Walt Disney corporation in the mid-90's and after. Some of those horror stories are absolutely legendary.

...of SCIENCE!
Apr 26, 2008

43 species of parrot?! Nipples for men?! SLUGS?! Are we not in the hands of a lunatic?! If I were creating the world I wouldn't mess about with butterflies and daffodils. I would have started with lasers, 8 o'clock, day one!


Automatic Jack posted:

She told us a story about a proposed animated film that was supposed to be Taming of the Shrews, with chairs. So basically the same stunt they pulled with Lion King, except instead of anthropomorphic animals, FRIGGIN' CHAIRS.

Just think, we could be living in a world where instead of there being thousands of teenaged girls on DeviantArt with day-glo raver Balto recolors as their personas we could have a world where they were pretending to be chairs instead

Automatic Jack
Aug 6, 2010


...of SCIENCE! posted:

Just think, we could be living in a world where instead of there being thousands of teenaged girls on DeviantArt with day-glo raver Balto recolors as their personas we could have a world where they were pretending to be chairs instead
And instead of calling them "furries", we would call them "furnies"

TonTon
May 1, 2008


Instead of 'fursona', we'd have 'chairacters'.

Jay Dub
Jul 27, 2009

Ooh La La?
OOH LA LA?!



...of SCIENCE! posted:

Just think, we could be living in a world where instead of there being thousands of teenaged girls on DeviantArt with day-glo raver Balto recolors as their personas we could have a world where they were pretending to be chairs instead

Automatic Jack posted:

And instead of calling them "furries", we would call them "furnies"

TonTon posted:

Instead of 'fursona', we'd have 'chairacters'.

As someone who's worked in a furniture warehouse for several years, this is seriously the funniest goddamn idea I've read in weeks. Thank you.

Also, I don't want to turn this thread into "Who Greenlighted This Animated poo poo!?", but the fact of the matter is that there's a lot of animated terribleness in the world and it's never gonna stop. Might as well embrace it Gnomeo & Juliet does look truly awful, looks like something you'd see pre-Shrek, but I can't say I didn't laugh at some of the jokes. Mostly the awkward "Oh, right, we're garden gnomes" jokes.

"Let's split up!"
*THUD*

...of SCIENCE!
Apr 26, 2008

43 species of parrot?! Nipples for men?! SLUGS?! Are we not in the hands of a lunatic?! If I were creating the world I wouldn't mess about with butterflies and daffodils. I would have started with lasers, 8 o'clock, day one!


Dammit, now I wish I could draw because the mental image of the type of person that would create something like this:



applying their "creative" "talents" to chairs instead of dogs just tickles me.

Kerbtree
Sep 8, 2008

BAD FALCON!
LAZY!


Automatic Jack posted:

So basically the same stunt they pulled with Lion King, except instead of anthropomorphic animals, FRIGGIN' CHAIRS.

What do you have against talking chairs, sunshine?

Chernabog
Apr 16, 2007

I may be wrong but I'm never in doubt.


I don't know... the brave little toaster was about a toaster, a lamp, an electric blanket and a vacuum cleaner, and it was pretty awesome. Chairs doesn't sound too far out there.

Automatic Jack
Aug 6, 2010


Chernabog posted:

I don't know... the brave little toaster was about a toaster, a lamp, an electric blanket and a vacuum cleaner, and it was pretty awesome. Chairs doesn't sound too far out there.
The Brave Little Toaster is one of my favorite movies of all time. The thing is, that was based on a book that at least had a logical premise for inanimate objects, the theme being abandonment and obsolescence. Taming of the Shrew, by contrast, is probably somewhere at the bottom of the list of source material that I would choose to base a movie about animated talking chairs on, and that's including all media outside of Shakespeare.

It was probably pitched as a musical, too.

...
MUSICAL CHAIRS

Chernabog
Apr 16, 2007

I may be wrong but I'm never in doubt.


Yeah, I know. I was just kidding. Although I think it is doable with the right story.

Nuns with Guns
Jul 23, 2010

It's a pretty good day for Viktor


Automatic Jack posted:

So basically the same stunt they pulled with Lion King, except instead of anthropomorphic animals, FRIGGIN' CHAIRS.

Seeing as the only things Disney borrowed from Hamlet was the uncle killing his brother and a talking ghost (that's not even the product of Simba's budding insanity), and both of those could've also come from the Japanese cartoon, I guess they'd have a lot of room to develop a story. Or they'll drop the stupid premise, like what ended up happening.

Tartarus Sauce
Jan 16, 2006


friendship is magic
in a pony paradise
don't you judge me

Jay Dub posted:

Additionally, a new movie popped up on my radar this morning: Gnomeo & Juliet

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-ASPGRdXkU

I'll let that sink in for a moment. Apparently this was one of the first projects rejected by John Lasseter after he began ruling Disney with an iron fist. Joke's on him, I guess, because it looks like Disney's releasing the film under their Touchstone banner anyway.

Oh, gently caress me, I chuckled at "In the Tiki, Tiki, Tiki, Tiki Room."

And, immediately, I thought of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSQWx8X8WHk

Automatic Jack
Aug 6, 2010


The film is the original idea of Rob Sprackling and John Smith who sold the spec script to Disney through Rocket Pictures. Initially, the film was going to be produced by Disney Feature Animation, but was shut down by its new chief, John Lasseter, after the Pixar acquisition. Miramax Films picked up the project and guided its production until the division closed down. The film will now be released under the Touchstone Pictures banner on February 11, 2011.

Look at how much effort and passing of the ball went into getting Gnomeo and Juliet made. Someone or several someones must have thought this was the most brilliant idea since the invention of penicillin, either that or they couldn't get the title out of their heads until the picture became a reality. I seriously don't know who would think "John Lasseter thought it was terrible? Then it MUST be good!"

Automatic Jack fucked around with this message at Sep 22, 2010 around 20:56

Communist Toast
Apr 28, 2010


What are goons opinions on A Town called Panic?

I loved the little opening and I was a little thrown off by the change to stop motion, in fact I almost turned it off because I didnt like the style. I'm glad I didn't though, I've re-watched it a lot and the style has grown on me, and I love the crazy plot.

It's on Netflix instant watch in case anyone didn't know.

Automatic Jack
Aug 6, 2010


Communist Toast posted:

What are goons opinions on A Town called Panic?
I've got it ready and waiting. I'll probably watch it over the weekend. The animation style reminds me a bit of Robot Chicken but I have the feeling I'll enjoy Panic a million times more.

Croisquessein
Feb 25, 2005

invisible or nonexistent, and should be treated as such


Haha, I was just thinking about that one. I loved it. It was just pure fun and laughter.

Tartarus Sauce
Jan 16, 2006


friendship is magic
in a pony paradise
don't you judge me

Communist Toast posted:

What are goons opinions on A Town called Panic?

I loved the little opening and I was a little thrown off by the change to stop motion, in fact I almost turned it off because I didnt like the style. I'm glad I didn't though, I've re-watched it a lot and the style has grown on me, and I love the crazy plot.

It's on Netflix instant watch in case anyone didn't know.

The zany climax alone is worth the price of admission. (Oh, the cows!) I think I liked that movie even better the second time.

When Indien/Indian cursed in English, I was in stitches. If you missed it before, listen for it!

Agatha Crispies
Jan 14, 2010

Contains 100% daily dose of little grey cells


If you guys haven't yet, go find all the short episodes of A Town Called Panic. I love the movie but I think the shorts are even better.

I'm consistently impressed by A Town Called Panic's fluid stop motion animation and the stories themselves evolve into absurdism at it's finest. They're probably among my favorite animations of all time.

TigerMoJo
Mar 11, 2008



Communist Toast posted:

What are goons opinions on A Town called Panic?

I loved the little opening and I was a little thrown off by the change to stop motion, in fact I almost turned it off because I didnt like the style. I'm glad I didn't though, I've re-watched it a lot and the style has grown on me, and I love the crazy plot.

It's on Netflix instant watch in case anyone didn't know.

I'm glad you brought it up, I kept wanting to and then forgetting. It's seriously hilarious and fun to watch.

CRINDY
Sep 23, 2010

woofing cough


Unfortunately, I was assigned to Alpha and Omega through my paper. I say "unfortunately" because it was actually painful at times sitting through it. It was so generic, boring and poorly-animated that I kept wishing I could walk out, but couldn't (since I was reviewing it).

Reaching the theater two minutes before showtime, I didn't want to survey the crowd, so out of the corner of my eye I could see about 8 people other than myself (opening day, 4:30 showtime). A family (understandable) and two others (who were discussing other animated films starring anthropomorphic animals; I don't want to label, but it's pretty obvious what they were). As someone completely out of the target audience, I dreaded being there.

I really do love going to see 3D films and animated stuff, so it hurt more that it sucked as much as it did. The 3D was especially bad, probably the worst I've seen out of 8 or so films. The animation was about what you'd expect from a $20 million budget; crude, poorly-finished, and in some cases (the golfing goose) seemed about late-90s quality.

There were also a few incredibly awkward moments pandering to the furry crowd, at which I almost couldn't stand to keep watching. Ten or so minutes revolve around the wolves' practice of "howling," which is kind of a combination of a make-out point and a frat party. They also sexualize the wolves (but of course!) which made it pretty terrible.

All in all, pretty bad. I have much higher hopes for Legend of the Guardians this weekend, pretty much because I love owls. If anyone has any more questions about A&O, ask away.

Unexpected EOF
Dec 8, 2008

I'm a Bro-ny!

CRINDY posted:

Unfortunately, I was assigned to Alpha and Omega through my paper. I say "unfortunately" because it was actually painful at times sitting through it. It was so generic, boring and poorly-animated that I kept wishing I could walk out, but couldn't (since I was reviewing it).

Reaching the theater two minutes before showtime, I didn't want to survey the crowd, so out of the corner of my eye I could see about 8 people other than myself (opening day, 4:30 showtime). A family (understandable) and two others (who were discussing other animated films starring anthropomorphic animals; I don't want to label, but it's pretty obvious what they were). As someone completely out of the target audience, I dreaded being there.

I really do love going to see 3D films and animated stuff, so it hurt more that it sucked as much as it did. The 3D was especially bad, probably the worst I've seen out of 8 or so films. The animation was about what you'd expect from a $20 million budget; crude, poorly-finished, and in some cases (the golfing goose) seemed about late-90s quality.

There were also a few incredibly awkward moments pandering to the furry crowd, at which I almost couldn't stand to keep watching. Ten or so minutes revolve around the wolves' practice of "howling," which is kind of a combination of a make-out point and a frat party. They also sexualize the wolves (but of course!) which made it pretty terrible.

All in all, pretty bad. I have much higher hopes for Legend of the Guardians this weekend, pretty much because I love owls. If anyone has any more questions about A&O, ask away.

I'm indifferent to owls and Legend of the Guardian looks badass.

What is, above all else, the absolute low point of this movie, both animation and story wise?

CRINDY
Sep 23, 2010

woofing cough


Unexpected EOF posted:

What is, above all else, the absolute low point of this movie, both animation and story wise?

Animation-wise, the film's worst quality is probably the goose. His head is disturbingly animated- it's like Geri from Geri's Game's head transplanted on a goose. It's unsettling. There are also moments when the film's not correctly framed (characters are taking up 110% of the screen) and scenes where shots end with characters freeze-framing for up to half-a-second before a cut to the next shot (one shot's end freezes on-screen for 2 seconds before a fade to black.)

But all in all the worst part is probably that it's Dennis Hopper's final film credit and the film ends, after the obligatory CGI dance party, with a dedication to him. The biggest mood shift I've ever seen.

Oh, and there's a scene with humans animated worse than in Hoodwinked!, which is a full five years old now.

Plot-wise? It's just Romeo and Juliet and Homeward Bound mixed. Nothing gets lower than poop or pee jokes, though a plot turn does revolve around Justin Long's wolf leaving their transportation to go to the bathroom, which leads to the wolves being held at gunpoint. Oh, how I longed for an animated film to actually have a decent gunman; alas, no dice.

CRINDY fucked around with this message at Sep 23, 2010 around 01:39

Automatic Jack
Aug 6, 2010


CRINDY posted:

Oh, and there's a scene with humans animated worse than in Hoodwinked!, which is a full five years old now.
That and the fact that Hoodwinked! was pretty incredibly stiff even at the time of its release. (It wasn't a great movie but I'll give it props for trying to base itself off Rashomon rather than Shakespeare.)

Tartarus Sauce
Jan 16, 2006


friendship is magic
in a pony paradise
don't you judge me

Automatic Jack posted:

That and the fact that Hoodwinked! was pretty incredibly stiff even at the time of its release. (It wasn't a great movie but I'll give it props for trying to base itself off Rashomon rather than Shakespeare.)

Well, and I'd always heard that Hoodwinked was trying to cultivate a kind of Rankin and Bass look, so I was more willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.

A+O just sounds like it's ugly because Richard Rich's grasp extended far beyond his reach, as usual.

Tartarus Sauce fucked around with this message at Sep 24, 2010 around 14:58

Yoshifan823
Feb 19, 2007


Automatic Jack posted:

That and the fact that Hoodwinked! was pretty incredibly stiff even at the time of its release. (It wasn't a great movie but I'll give it props for trying to base itself off Rashomon rather than Shakespeare.)

I recently watched the end of Hoodwinked! because it was on Cartoon Network and I was pretty bored, and I was kinda surprised at how good it was. I know I'd seen it before, but compared to most other CG movies, it was actually kinda unique. Jim Belushi was awful (of course), but I love how the Wolf was just one giant Fletch reference, and that Andy Dick finally got to play a character that's as purely evil as he is. The sequel is going to suck, because let's face it, most movies in production for that long end up bad, but Hoodwinked! is gonna be one of those movies that everyone forgets, which is too bad, because there was something there.

Vargo
Dec 27, 2008

like a record baby

Hoodwinked bothered me because it had a really pretty good script and some Looney Tunes-esque moments, but it was an example of making something CGI that doesn't need to be. For the same price as their ugly, stiff, sub-par computer animation, they could've gone the traditional animation route and made something on par with say, Emperor's New Groove.

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TigerMoJo
Mar 11, 2008



So I finally watched Meet the Robinsons last night because a lot of people in here said it was good. I don't know, I didn't really like it. I didn't hate it either, it was just completely blah. The story felt really predictable, boring and cliche along with shoving the message down your throat. It was cute but I probably wouldn't watch it again unless it was on TV or something.

On another note, Brave has a fanpage now and you can see what the title will look like: http://www.facebook.com/#!/PixarBrave?ref=ts

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