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bobservo
Jul 24, 2003

dojo, casino, it's all in the moind


Clumsy Card House posted:

Oh my god. Megamind is seriously just one big joke now. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsrQH7itJCg&hd=1

It has "characters doing wacky dancing and singing for no reason," which is pretty much a Dreamworks staple at this point.

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miscellaneous14
Mar 27, 2010

DOG OF DUTY


Clumsy Card House posted:

Oh my god. Megamind is seriously just one big joke now. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsrQH7itJCg&hd=1

THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS

This is the loving ad they keep playing during the preshow at my theater. It's seriously an aural menace, and irrefutable proof that Dreamworks' marketing department are all demographic-generalizing shitheads.

Anyway, last night I noticed Astro Boy had been added to Netflix instant watch listings, and I'd been wanting to see it for a little while, it looked interesting. And well...it's alright. There's a lot of visual splendor, fun characters, and a well-realized world. My main three complaints, though:

-As much as I like Nic Cage, his casting as Dr. Tenma seemed really off here. There's one scene where he's basically saying "You're not my son, you're a robot", but he completely fumbles the line, making it sound like he was slightly confused while he was reading it off.

-An villain who's an even more blatant Republican allegory than the one in Avatar, right down to a line that was something like "Voters prefer the color red, you know!".

-Three comic relief robots who'd formed their own robot-revolution, they never contributed anything of worth to the actual plot, besides giving Astro his name, and somewhere near the end even said they never did anything.

It's a fun watch, I just wouldn't look into any part of it too deeply.

Ballz
Dec 16, 2003

...I'm sorry for your loss.


Beauty and the Beast is gorgeous on Blu Ray, and I loved the documentary on disc 2, which had several optional branches throughout it that added some extra background.

Disney looks to be ending the year strong with Toy Story 3 coming out next month and the Fantasias in December, too. Thought Finding Nemo was supposed to be released as well, but I'm not seeing it listed anymore.

Sir Lemming
Jan 27, 2009

It's a piece of JUNK!

While reading this thread at work, I didn't think the Megamind rap thing could possibly be as bad as you were all acting. Then I got home and...



I mean if nothing else, it just flat-out sounds awful no matter what you're expecting out of it. There is no level on which it can be enjoyed. It is the unenjoyable.

Tartarus Sauce
Jan 16, 2006


friendship is magic
in a pony paradise
don't you judge me

Sir Lemming posted:

I mean if nothing else, it just flat-out sounds awful no matter what you're expecting out of it. There is no level on which it can be enjoyed. It is the unenjoyable.

Which makes its existence all the more of a puzzle to me. Who would create such a thing, and mistake it for something of quality?

Jay Dub
Jul 27, 2009

Ooh La La?
OOH LA LA?!



Tartarus Sauce posted:

Which makes its existence all the more of a puzzle to me. Who would create such a thing, and mistake it for something of quality?

"Well, it worked for Despicable Me! V V" - Dreamworks marketing executive #4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axbUCR1nKRA

mexicanmonkey
Nov 17, 2005

FIESTA TIME

I just watched the Megamind trailer that summarizes the entire movie. Goddamn. Still laugh at the 'oh...you look fantastic' line though.

Jay Dub
Jul 27, 2009

Ooh La La?
OOH LA LA?!



Also, goddammit you guys. Now that Megamind rap is stuck in my head again.

Mega-Mega-Megamindgently caress!

miscellaneous14
Mar 27, 2010

DOG OF DUTY


The thing that's even worse is when my coworkers feel it prudent to quote it right after they say it.

Behonkiss
Feb 10, 2005
Probation
Can't post for 29 hours!


I'm really happy I watched that rap with the sound off. That was bad enough.

It's kind of a shame to see that movie go from intriguing to looking like poo poo. I also don't know why they're spoiling everything but the very end in the promos.

muscles like this?
Jan 17, 2005

BOGGLE?



Clumsy Card House posted:

Oh my god. Megamind is seriously just one big joke now. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsrQH7itJCg&hd=1

I love how even in such a crappy throwaway thing like this they still feel the need to try to spoil the plot. I mean, the "rap" flat out states that by the end of the movie Megamind will be a hero instead of a villain.

Macaluso
Sep 23, 2005

I HATE THAT HEDGEHOG, BROTHER!


It sucks too, because I was really looking forward to the movie. Then they just kept revealing more and more until there's no reason for me to see it now. I mean I still want to check it out, but it sucks that they've basically shown the whole movie through commercials.

On a better note, here's a trailer for the Boneknapper short that is going to be included with How To Train Your Dragon:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNfj...feature=channel

Looking forward to this, mostly because the Boneknapper was the dragon I wanted to see the most when they showed it in the dragon book.

Macaluso fucked around with this message at Oct 9, 2010 around 17:49

Pick
Jul 19, 2009

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It seems to me that Dreamworks could have saved a lot of time by foregoing all that editing business and just having an 88-minute long trailer. You know, of the entire movie.

I am excited for that Boneknapper dragon though!

Che Delilas
Nov 23, 2009

Prolonged exposure can cause tooth rot, diabetes and involuntary manic grins.

Pick posted:

I am excited for that Boneknapper dragon though!

Aww, I wanted to see Whispering Death. Seriously, it's great they're not skimping on the extras with just half-assed commentary voiced by a random narrator who had nothing to do with the production of the film, or something like that. I didn't expect a whole new short story.

Jay Dub
Jul 27, 2009

Ooh La La?
OOH LA LA?!



Pick posted:

It seems to me that Dreamworks could have saved a lot of time by foregoing all that editing business and just having an 88-minute long trailer. You know, of the entire movie.

If I had to sit through an 88-minute long Megamind trailer every time I went to the movies, I'd stab myself in the eyes with a fork.

Lurkman
Nov 4, 2008


Of course, the trailer for the Boneknapper short tells and shows us that
1:There's a dragon of legend called the boneknapper, made of bones, and
2:We see Hiccup and friends actually riding a loving dragon made of bones.
Dreamworks' marketting people really need to be fired and punched in the face, in whichever order.

Tartarus Sauce
Jan 16, 2006


friendship is magic
in a pony paradise
don't you judge me

Well, and they call it "The Legend of the Boneknapper Dragon," which sounds clunky and ridiculous. What else would it be? The Boneknapper Wombat? The Boneknapper Armoire?

Sheldrake
Jul 19, 2006


Tartarus Sauce posted:

Well, and they call it "The Legend of the Boneknapper Dragon," which sounds clunky and ridiculous. What else would it be? The Boneknapper Wombat? The Boneknapper Armoire?

This post is a genuine Boneknapper knee slapper.

RembrandtQEinstein
Jul 1, 2009


Jay Dub posted:

Also, goddammit you guys. Now that Megamind rap is stuck in my head again.

Mega-Mega-Megamindgently caress!

Oh god me too

What makes this worse is they KNOW how to make a good movie. Just look at Flushed Away or Kung Fu Panda!

Ronnie
May 13, 2009

Just in case.

Speaking of Dreamworks short films did anyone ever see Kung Fu Panda: Legend of the Furious Five? It was a 30 minute film detailing each member of the Furious Five in different animation styles narrated by Jack Black and was very well written.

gomababe
Oct 5, 2008


Ronnie posted:

Speaking of Dreamworks short films did anyone ever see Kung Fu Panda: Legend of the Furious Five? It was a 30 minute film detailing each member of the Furious Five in different animation styles narrated by Jack Black and was very well written.

Yup, got the DVD not long after it was released in the UK. It's a fairly decent storyline and it is kinda cute .

As for the extra with the 2 disc edition of How to Train your Dragon. I do hope it comes with the UK edition because even though the trailer pretty much spoils the whole thing, I'd love to see it since I was wondering about the Boneknapper {the title is clunky as all hell though}.

Pick
Jul 19, 2009

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Ronnie posted:

Speaking of Dreamworks short films did anyone ever see Kung Fu Panda: Legend of the Furious Five? It was a 30 minute film detailing each member of the Furious Five in different animation styles narrated by Jack Black and was very well written.
I thought it was really cute, honestly. And the animation is really well-done. The style is fantastic. It's one of those things that seems dorky to enjoy, but for the love of crap, this entire thread is basically the kid's movie thread anyway (although I don't think animation is "for kids" any more than live action, you had to admit that there is a strong bias in the USA that way). I especially liked Mantis', since I thought it was pretty funny and I love the crocodiles.

...of SCIENCE!
Apr 26, 2008

43 species of parrot?! Nipples for men?! SLUGS?! Are we not in the hands of a lunatic?! If I were creating the world I wouldn't mess about with butterflies and daffodils. I would have started with lasers, 8 o'clock, day one!


Ronnie posted:

Speaking of Dreamworks short films did anyone ever see Kung Fu Panda: Legend of the Furious Five? It was a 30 minute film detailing each member of the Furious Five in different animation styles narrated by Jack Black and was very well written.

It was cute but it really just felt like a pilot for a TV show. As a freebie with the DVD it was OK but it's not something I would have actually paid for.

I know The Incredibles always gets heaped with praise as is but "The Adventures of Mr. Incredible (with his pals Frozone and Mr. Skipperdoo)" is probably one of my favorite bonus shorts ever: They made a fake animated series from the 60s (complete with terrible Clutch Cargo mouths, overt Communist villain, and animation roughly on par with the Ralph Bakshi Spider-Man cartoon) about Mr. Incredible and Frozone, and it also came with a commentary track of Craig T. Nelson and Samuel L. Jackson in-character as Mr. Incredible and Frozone watching it for the first time 20 years after the fact. Frozone ranting and raving about being drawn white and sounding like a beatnik was fantastic.

Spacedad
Sep 11, 2001

We go play orbital catch around the curvature of the earth, son.

I am actually horribly underwhelmed by everything animated coming out in the US. It..well..none of it seems interesting or really pushing the envelope in any manner. The last animated movie that did that was Wall-E and maybe perhaps portions of Up.

The last animated film I saw that really blew me away was The Illusionist. And that's French. Not that I'm complaining, but it's very telling that a great animated film like that isn't getting much attention in the states.

Anyway, yeah...even pixar is disappointing me now. Cars 2? Monsters Inc 2? More sequels? Really? I mean, I like the monsters inc characters and all even if I don't give a drat about cars, but I want to see completely fresh new ideas pushing the envelope...with sequels you can kind of expect where it's going to go. And Brave seems like it might be ambling around in some of how to train your dragon's territory - at the very least I don't know what to think about it yet, but would hope that one blindsides me and blows me out of the water. I just haven't seen anything compelling me to care too much about it...Yet.

But yeah years later after brad bird's dvd rants about how 'animation is a medium not a genre' it seems american animation is still stuck firmly in family entertainment realm with no one really making major headway into pushing the boundaries of what can be done with it in the mainstream, and that I find horribly disappointing.

Spacedad
Sep 11, 2001

We go play orbital catch around the curvature of the earth, son.

...of SCIENCE! posted:

It was cute but it really just felt like a pilot for a TV show. As a freebie with the DVD it was OK but it's not something I would have actually paid for.

I know The Incredibles always gets heaped with praise as is but "The Adventures of Mr. Incredible (with his pals Frozone and Mr. Skipperdoo)" is probably one of my favorite bonus shorts ever: They made a fake animated series from the 60s (complete with terrible Clutch Cargo mouths, overt Communist villain, and animation roughly on par with the Ralph Bakshi Spider-Man cartoon) about Mr. Incredible and Frozone, and it also came with a commentary track of Craig T. Nelson and Samuel L. Jackson in-character as Mr. Incredible and Frozone watching it for the first time 20 years after the fact. Frozone ranting and raving about being drawn white and sounding like a beatnik was fantastic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1R44MvXeEQw

Macaluso
Sep 23, 2005

I HATE THAT HEDGEHOG, BROTHER!


...of SCIENCE! posted:

It was cute but it really just felt like a pilot for a TV show. As a freebie with the DVD it was OK but it's not something I would have actually paid for.

I know The Incredibles always gets heaped with praise as is but "The Adventures of Mr. Incredible (with his pals Frozone and Mr. Skipperdoo)" is probably one of my favorite bonus shorts ever: They made a fake animated series from the 60s (complete with terrible Clutch Cargo mouths, overt Communist villain, and animation roughly on par with the Ralph Bakshi Spider-Man cartoon) about Mr. Incredible and Frozone, and it also came with a commentary track of Craig T. Nelson and Samuel L. Jackson in-character as Mr. Incredible and Frozone watching it for the first time 20 years after the fact. Frozone ranting and raving about being drawn white and sounding like a beatnik was fantastic.

Hahaha I forgot all about this. It's funny how much Frozone brings up the fact that they didn't make him black in the show.

On the subject of Pixar shorts, I liked the Dug one from Up, but I really wish they had gone with the other idea they had for an Up short:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hF5K...feature=related

Spacedad
Sep 11, 2001

We go play orbital catch around the curvature of the earth, son.

Macaluso posted:

Hahaha I forgot all about this. It's funny how much Frozone brings up the fact that they didn't make him black in the show.

I HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE RABBIT!!! I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY GOT THE RABBIT!

I want to find out whose mouth the corn monster belongs to.

Spacedad
Sep 11, 2001

We go play orbital catch around the curvature of the earth, son.

Hatter106 posted:

I have a fondness for superhero flicks but there's no way I'm seeing this. The character designs are some of the worst I've ever seen. Seriously, Megamind's huge, smooth baby-head makes me feel ill. I can't imagine having to look at their creepy faces for 90 minutes.

Dreamworks may have the occasional decent flick, but their misses are so abysmal as to destroy any goodwill they'd built up.

Agreed. The only character design here that I find interesting is the fish with the robot body. The characters are like ugly-fied Incredibles ripoffs.

Tartarus Sauce
Jan 16, 2006


friendship is magic
in a pony paradise
don't you judge me

Sheldrake posted:

This post is a genuine Boneknapper knee slapper.

Well, I'm glad you don't think it's worthy of the Boneknapper crapper.






(...I mean, Jesus gently caress, of course it's going to be a dragon! Between this and the megarap trailer, it's like they think America's sustained massive collective head trauma...)

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Pick
Jul 19, 2009

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Times posted:

Agreed. The only character design here that I find interesting is the fish with the robot body. The characters are like ugly-fied Incredibles ripoffs.
None of them really look like Incredibles characters to me? Honestly they just kind of look like generic superheroes/villains, like you'd expect. I thought Megamind was a take-off on the Guardians from Green Lantern?

Fishylungs
Jan 12, 2008


The local University is showing Secret of Kells!

Also, when did they change it to Brendan and the Secret of the Kells? But I'm super excited either way!

Chernabog
Apr 16, 2007

I may be wrong but I'm never in doubt.


It is pretty awesome. Their character designs and backgrounds are fantastic.

cloudchamber
Aug 6, 2010


Times posted:

The last animated film I saw that really blew me away was The Illusionist. And that's French. Not that I'm complaining, but it's very telling that a great animated film like that isn't getting much attention in the states.

I'm going to see that tomorrow. Really looking forward to it, Belleville Rendezvous was amazong.

muscles like this?
Jan 17, 2005

BOGGLE?



Fishylungs posted:

The local University is showing Secret of Kells!

Also, when did they change it to Brendan and the Secret of the Kells? But I'm super excited either way!

It just showed up on Netflix Instant Watch as well.

MindTheGap
Jul 24, 2007


^^ Thank you!! I've been meaning to get around to this one for a while.

Pick posted:

It's one of those things that seems dorky to enjoy, but for the love of crap, this entire thread is basically the kid's movie thread anyway (although I don't think animation is "for kids" any more than live action, you had to admit that there is a strong bias in the USA that way).
I want to go back to this for a second. It really has been a while since we've gotten a bona fide adult-oriented animated film in the United States. In terms of wide releases, anyways, it's been really slim pickings, ending somewhere around "South Park"'s release -- and that film came out in 1999, for God's sake. Although I'd still argue that Pixar's and Studio Ghibli's offerings tend to skate the line, as they deal with themes that children simply aren't going to be able to understand. Animation for adults, after all, should be more than titties and curse words. And while there were a few unsavory gags in "The Triplets of Belleville", I still saw an inordinate amount of people renting this movie for their five year olds when I worked at a video store because it's a cartoon and kids just looove cartoons. I also had one mom who had rented the same DVD of "La Blue Girl" for her eight year old son at least four times, because she was too ignorant to check the box for warnings about the content. This attitude is so frustrating, especially since Adult Swim/MTV/Spike/Comedy Central animated series have been attempting to change the way people think about animation for at least a decade.

When it comes to movies... The suits get really scared of projecting anything that isn't family-oriented. They attempted to break Ralph Bakshi into the mainstream with "Cool World" in the early 90's, and it flopped like crazy, so they're convinced that adults don't have a taste for animated films unless it's something they can watch with their kids.

My thinking, though, is that the climate is different now. The millenial kids -- most of them adults at this point -- who grew up with Nickelodeon and The Simpsons have radically different attitudes to watching animated films than Generation X or the Baby Boomers do. Namely, there's a distinct lack of shame about it. So why is there still this hesitation to introduce risque animated movies into the cinemas? Why are we regressing since the renaissance of the 80's and 90's?

Behonkiss
Feb 10, 2005
Probation
Can't post for 29 hours!


I totally forgot that Secret of Kells had its U.S. video release this week. I need to pick up the combo pack on Amazon; I can show the normal DVD to friends and family and finally try a Blu-Ray film out on my PS3, and having seen this film, it will be great.

People, CHECK THIS MOVIE OUT. I liked a lot of films last year like Up and Fantastic Mr. Fox, but this was definitely my favorite.

EDIT: I'm also going to say that if you're feeling sad about the state of American animation, be happy you don't live in Japan. The anime industry has been completely overrun by lolicon-pedo-fanservice poo poo because otaku lap it all up and executives only care about the money, Miyazaki is old and won't be around much longer, Satoshi Kon, one of the best younger directors, got cancer and died out of nowhere, and it's been repeatedly reported that the industry there won't exist much longer because of video games...Really, I could make a whole topic out of this.

Behonkiss fucked around with this message at Oct 10, 2010 around 23:33

MindTheGap
Jul 24, 2007


By all means, this is the place to do it, then. I had no idea that the animation industry in Japan had become so bleak. Of course, most of the good stuff came out in the 80's and 90's over there, too, so...

I think we're seeing a trend here.

Automatic Jack
Aug 6, 2010


drat, The Secret of Kells. I go to school for animation and there was a guy about a year ahead of me who worked at that studio for his summer internship. They let him bring back stacks of original frames from the fiilm (hand-drawn, pencil clean-up on animation paper and all), some of which are now on display in the hall. Beautiful stuff. We also had a screening of the film before it was released out here which was wicked.

After the show he spread the frames out all over the stage and everyone got to go up and flip through them, it was insane.

As for the pessimistic prognoses for the North American animation industry: Don't worry guys, when I get in there and start making films, I'll be sure to turn it around. But you have to do your part, too; buy five movie tickets everytime you go to the cinema, and make sure to bear only awesome children. The future depends on it!

Pick
Jul 19, 2009

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Honestly, I think that the attitude towards animation is shifting for the better in the USA. It might be slow, but I think that the "animation=always for kids" mentality has already changed in the young generation, at least where TV shows are concerned (due to things like Venture Brothers, Ugly Americans, and the like). With time, I hope this will feed into movies as well. Then we'll just have to break the "animation=for kids, stoners, or layabouts" barrier, but, uh, give us time for that too.

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miscellaneous14
Mar 27, 2010

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Behonkiss posted:

EDIT: I'm also going to say that if you're feeling sad about the state of American animation, be happy you don't live in Japan. The anime industry has been completely overrun by lolicon-pedo-fanservice poo poo because otaku lap it all up and executives only care about the money, Miyazaki is old and won't be around much longer, Satoshi Kon, one of the best younger directors, got cancer and died out of nowhere, and it's been repeatedly reported that the industry there won't exist much longer because of video games...Really, I could make a whole topic out of this.

Someone actually made a thread in ADTRW about the state of that industry, and it's a shame it died out pretty quickly, because it was an interesting topic of discussion. For a gaming-related simile, look at the inspired animation style of Level 5's Professor Layton series (I don't know if the movie they released is any good, it looked alright), and then see what other companies consider "legitimate competition". But I digress.

When it comes to the average of quality for animated films right now, I'd say it's definitely skyrocketed in the past two years. Back in 2008, both Disney and Dreamworks finally put out legitimately good movies (Bolt and Kung Fu Panda), and Pixar continued the success train with WALL*E. Since then, I've had more animated favorites in the last two years than I have in the last decade. There's certainly room for improvement, but all I can say is that I'm glad to see some real progress right now.

Secret of Kells looks interesting, and it's apparently on Netflix's streaming catalog? I'll have to check it out. It kinda reminds me of the "original" cut of The Thief and the Cobbler in terms of animation-style, but with a legitimate plot instead of, um...yeah.

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