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I think Atlantis is a fine film. Treasure Planet didn't do anything for me, despite the premise being right up my alley. The character designs in Atlantis are the best part, largely in part to Mike Mignola.
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Atlantis is a hell of a lot better than Treasure Planet. But I have only seen it once, and I'm not sure if it'd hold up on repeat viewings after the novelty of Disney doing something different has worn off. I guess the reason I haven't seen it again is because I'm afraid it won't. I'm sure it's worth at least one viewing, though. Interestingly, it seemed like both of those movies were going after the Titan AE crowd, even though that movie was apparently a huge bomb.
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I kinda liked Titan AE the one time I saw it. I'm a little afraid to revisit it because I like remembering it as a well-meaning failure rather than a complete failure.
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I can't stand the way Don Bluth and Co. animates humans. They're just so.... wiggly. Everyone in Anastasia had either too much coffee, a nervous tic or both. Wigglewigglewiggle arm flap nod I haven't seen Titan AE since I was a kid so I don't remember if it's any good or not, but recently I read a funny John K post on 90's tude hair or something of that sort and all I can think about is the main character's silly rear end papery hair from that film. Haha. HOT BREAD! fucked around with this message at Jul 15, 2010 around 20:42 |
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Adlai Stevenson posted:I kinda liked Titan AE the one time I saw it. I'm a little afraid to revisit it because I like remembering it as a well-meaning failure rather than a complete failure. It came out around the same time as The Phantom Menace and at least a few critics accurately pointed out that Titan AE was really a much better Star Wars movie than TPM. Neither is as good as the original Star Wars, mind you, but AE more or less works.
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HOT BREAD! posted:I can't stand the way Don Bluth and Co. animates humans. They're just so.... wiggly. Everyone in Anastasia had either too much coffee, a nervous tic or both. Wigglewigglewiggle arm flap nod I definitely have this same problem with those movies. It's like the managed to over animate the characters.
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HOT BREAD! posted:I can't stand the way Don Bluth and Co. animates humans. They're just so.... wiggly. Everyone in Anastasia had either too much coffee, a nervous tic or both. Wigglewigglewiggle arm flap nod I really can't stand the way he does females, anyone who isn't an old hag is usually oversexed (this is really awkward in stuff like Rock-A-Doodle with the chicken girl) and his little girls are just too precocious and bubbly. Although when it comes to creep he'll never hold a candle to Ralph Bakshi, I still can't believe he made an entire movie about a cartoon woman seducing a human.  Really, I think the only Bluth movie that has stood up over time is The Secret of NIMH (whose backgrounds were inspired by Alien, according to the commentary), everything else was pretty mediocre but there was literally nothing else for kids at the time since Disney was still in a slump. Tartarus Sauce posted:I haven't seen Titan AE in a few years, but I must say, I really liked it, back in the day. But, even so, I always felt that it was missing "something," or that something felt "off" or awkward. But, since I was intrigued by the premise, thought the various alien species were way cool, and liked the characters and voice acting, it was always hard to put my finger on what that "something" might have been. I watched Titan AE for the first time about a year ago, I remember there were a couple of action sequences where the soundtrack was conspicuously absent or too quiet, and the attempts at humor were pretty out-of-place and clashed with the rest of the movie (like Planet Bob). ...of SCIENCE! fucked around with this message at Jul 15, 2010 around 21:06 |
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Adlai Stevenson posted:I kinda liked Titan AE the one time I saw it. I'm a little afraid to revisit it because I like remembering it as a well-meaning failure rather than a complete failure. I haven't seen Titan AE in a few years, but I must say, I really liked it, back in the day. But, even so, I always felt that it was missing "something," or that something felt "off" or awkward. But, since I was intrigued by the premise, thought the various alien species were way cool, and liked the characters and voice acting, it was always hard to put my finger on what that "something" might have been. Incidentally, I've roughly felt the same about Atlantis and Treasure Planet, and in another thread, we discussed why that might be. But, it's always a very vague gut feeling that's hard to put into words.
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I really kind of despise Titan AE, despite it trying to be a lot of what I think animated films should be. However, it just has that... rear end quality of a great number of Bluth films. Also, it seemed like all the aliens were characters from The Land Before Time stuck onto human bodies. The animation is very sharp though. Ugh, but the plot! You could drive a tanker through the holes in that ... thing. (All the ships are getting shot down! You need two pieces of a thing to make it work! Let's send both pieces on separate ships, thus astronomically increasing the odds you'll lose something integral!) Furthermore, the color palette--often one of my most hated aspects of Bluth films--was bad as ever. How can the colors always be so obnoxious? Atlantis is okay. (Although it's funny Claudia Christian got hired to do a Russian voice for that film. Yes, we've all seen and loved Babylon 5, but she's not actually Russian!) I like Treasure Planet a lot better though. A lot of that is a matter of style. Treasure Planet was rounded, dynamic, and very accurate. The way Silver meshed with the CGI arm? Keane's talent is out of this world. But Atlantis had that weird, sharp anime look that just didn't jive with me and always felt flat. Plus they seemed to be REALLY INTO the fact that they were steampunk. Look at how steampunk we are! Hgnnurrfffffff [*humps storyboard*]. Treasure Planet was still "old but new", but I felt it was more artful. Treasure Planet's visuals were more pleasing to me. They kept a better sense of volume, I think, and some of the framing! Oh god. In every single shot, the composition was amazing. Also, no stupid romance plot! Awesome. I mean, we got Doppler and the captain, but that didn't involve the main character. I do wish they'd kept with the Kit Fisto-lookin' Amelia though. That actually said "alien" to me, not... "cat." As for Lion King and Kimba, yes. Clearly The Lion King is based off Kimba. The Lion King is better by a huge margin, but that doesn't change that they started working before they got the rights. (Also it's better to compare it to the show, not the movie version, since the show is what the animators and writers grew up with.) Pick fucked around with this message at Jul 15, 2010 around 21:46 |
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...of SCIENCE! posted:
Hey, he did to An American Tail so give him a little slack. Also All Dogs Go to Heaven was great when I was a kid. Kind of a kids Smokey in the Bandit. I try and forget The Land Before Time because the little girl who played Ducky was killed by her abusive father shortly after the movie.
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Mappo posted:Hey, he did to An American Tail so give him a little slack. My family used to have all the Land Before Time hand puppets from Pizza Hut.  And not to ruin another movie for you but that little girl who played Ducky was also the little girl in All Dogs Go to Heaven.I liked all the 80's Bluth movies but Nimh was far and away my favorite. I need to get a copy of that film once I have money.
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Mappo posted:I try and forget The Land Before Time because the little girl who played Ducky was killed by her abusive father shortly after the movie. That is a downer. And then the morbid side of me laughs because her headstone says "Yep Yep Yep." 
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I get the feeling that I'm the only girl who doesn't like The Little Mermaid. The films I grew up on were Fantasia, Land Before Time, Aladdin (and its duo of poorly-done sequels), The Great Mouse Detective, The Lion King and Toy Story. I also watched Charlie Brown's Christmas until the tape fell apart! I have to hold back from watching too many animated films because every time I see one, I always thing drat I want in on that action and want to move out to the nearest college with an animation program.  I don't know, I just like it.
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The Little Mermaid bothers me a bit because Ariel is such a loser.
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As a child, I mostly tuned out human protagonists, because I thought most of them were 'straight' and boring, were too good for their own good, and had goals and values I couldn't relate to (yet). So, I liked The Little Mermaid, but mainly because of the bright colours, fun music, fascinating villain, physical humor, and cute animal sidekicks coming out the yin-yang.
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Yeah, Ariel was kind of TOO MUCH of a stereotypical teenager. ("Why don't you go tell my FATHER! Hmph!") Did anyone watch We're Back: A Dinosaur Story when they were little? I rewatched it with a friend recently, and holy poo poo. I... I like it, but I can't decide if I should like it. I think Iron Giant is my favorite 2D film to come out in the last ten-ish years. Hogarth is the best animated little kid. His little kid snaggle teeth are awesome.
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I definitely saw We're Back! as a kid. I distinctly remember being extremely mad at the movie for having a herbivore Triceratops eating hotdogs  And lots of zooming in on the eyes. And kids devolving into chimps. How does it hold up? Is it enjoyable, or just bizarrely surreal?
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We're Back has has Screw-Eyes, which I thought was a cooler concept than villain. Honestly, the movie kind of sucks, but it's sort of fun. When the dinosaurs are in their "monstrous" forms, they look pretty damned cool. Also there's that parade scene where it kind of looks like the main T-rex is having sex with a giant inflatable Spider-man. Which still makes it more respectful to the character than Spider-man 3. It's out on DVD for cheap. I have a copy. Oh, although Yeardley Smith uses like EXACTLY the same Lisa Simpson voice for Cecilia, and it's really obvious and annoying. 
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So I got to finally see the trailer for Alpha and Omega today. As I was watching it, my face turned from confusion to a look of twisted disgust. That movie is going to be a sack of poo poo. Also saw the trailer for Tangled again, which is much better if you imagine it as Chuck vs. The Fairy Tale. I even kinda wish they'd just gone all out and gotten the whole Chuck crew as voices. I'm gonna keep hoping that horse starts to sound like Morgan, and the lizard thing like Casey.
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Pick posted:We're Back has has Screw-Eyes, which I thought was a cooler concept than villain. And he suffers one of the coolest, creepiest villain deaths EVER. Two thumbs way, way up just for that. Did anyone catch the Steven Spielberg cameo?  quote:Oh, although Yeardley Smith uses like EXACTLY the same Lisa Simpson voice for Cecilia, and it's really obvious and annoying. Isn't her voice pretty much like that normally, though?
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Tartarus Sauce posted:
Her natural voice is lower, but yea. Personally though I love her voice.
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Tartarus Sauce posted:And he suffers one of the coolest, creepiest villain deaths EVER. Two thumbs way, way up just for that. I saw this movie when I was six or seven, and though none of it scared me like a lot of other kids, even at that age I was confused by his death. Why do the crows suddenly decide to eat him when they've been obedient the whole movie? It's like the writers were told that the villain HAD to die somehow and they came up with that at the last second. Oh, and I watched the movie again on Youtube and it's pretty much a cool concept done badly. I'd link to the Nostalgia Critic review that points out a lot of flaws, but SA has an almost unanimous hatred of him.
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Behonkiss posted:It's like the writers were told that the villain HAD to die somehow and they came up with that at the last second. Speaking of which, Anastasia has to have one of the most pointless villains in childrens animated movies. It's like the execs said "We can't just have a period drama about a lost orphan discovering she's a princess, we need an evil wizard! And a goofy talking animal sidekick too!" and Don Bluth was like "Hey if it means I get to make yet another hellscape then I'm down with that!" and they threw Zombie Rasputin and his goblins in after the fact.
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I've mentioned it before, but Dreamworks is one studio that really, really needs to go back to traditional hand-drawn stuff. Road to El Dorado is an awesome buddy comedy with great voice acting and fun songs, and I remember Prince of Egyptbeing visually pretty cool, at least.
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Vargo posted:I've mentioned it before, but Dreamworks is one studio that really, really needs to go back to traditional hand-drawn stuff. Road to El Dorado is an awesome buddy comedy with great voice acting and fun songs, and I remember Prince of Egyptbeing visually pretty cool, at least. If the former relies on story and music to be good, what makes it so necessary to be 2D? And seeing how Shrek and Madagascar made Dreamworks WAY more money than anything previously, that's not a studio you should count on going back.
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Behonkiss posted:If the former relies on story and music to be good, what makes it so necessary to be 2D? And seeing how Shrek and Madagascar made Dreamworks WAY more money than anything previously, that's not a studio you should count on going back. Let me put this another (goonier) way: EVERYTHING WAS BETTER WHEN I WAS 12!!! EDIT: I just realized how awesome our avatars are together.
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Vargo posted:I've mentioned it before, but Dreamworks is one studio that really, really needs to go back to traditional hand-drawn stuff. Road to El Dorado is an awesome buddy comedy with great voice acting and fun songs, and I remember Prince of Egyptbeing visually pretty cool, at least. Prince of Egypt has my favorite soundtrack of any animated movie. It was done by the guy who wrote the stuff for Wicked iirc. So what are some good less popular or obscure classics on Netflix instant queue? Stormageddon fucked around with this message at Jul 16, 2010 around 14:27 |
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...of SCIENCE! posted:Speaking of which, Anastasia has to have one of the most pointless villains in childrens animated movies. It's like the execs said "We can't just have a period drama about a lost orphan discovering she's a princess, we need an evil wizard! And a goofy talking animal sidekick too!" and Don Bluth was like "Hey if it means I get to make yet another hellscape then I'm down with that!" and they threw Zombie Rasputin and his goblins in after the fact. After this thread I went and watched Anastasia again for the first time in years and just went uuuuuuggghhhh through the whole thing. Just an absolute cutesypoo cheesefest. It is a gorgeous movie though, if you ignore the wiggle animation. I reckon the humans were rotoscoped or something because they look just barfy. Overanimated. The good thing about it though is it made me curious to look up the real story behind the Romanov dynasty and the history of the family, their murder and the vanishing Alexei and Anastasia and it is really interesting. Apparently they finally found the missing two Romanovs in 2007 and laid them to rest. HOT BREAD! fucked around with this message at Jul 16, 2010 around 13:32 |
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Behonkiss posted:Oh, and I watched the movie again on Youtube and it's pretty much a cool concept done badly. I'd link to the Nostalgia Critic review that points out a lot of flaws, but SA has an almost unanimous hatred of him. Really? I thought he'd really be up goons' alley. What's the problem with him? quote:Prince of Egypt has my favorite soundtrack of any animated movie. You're right, that is a great soundtrack. Behonkiss posted:Why do the crows suddenly decide to eat him when they've been obedient the whole movie? Because he has failed at his mission and outlived his usefulness, so the time has come to collect his soul as payment for services rendered.
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Say what you will about Anastasia, but I loved the "In the dark of the night" song. I would rewind the movie over and over just to watch that part. edit:Dammit, Now I'm humming it.
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thelaughingman posted:Say what you will about Anastasia, but I loved the "In the dark of the night" song. I would rewind the movie over and over just to watch that part. Once Upon a December is a pretty catchy tune too. I still love Anastasia. Even the overly animated characters and the lame plot.
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Tartarus Sauce posted:Really? I thought he'd really be up goons' alley. What's the problem with him? There was a thread about his site a few months ago in GBS with the first post talking about how lovely it was, and just about every post after it was someone commenting that they watched him and couldn't bear his horrific attempts at humor and that he was a stain on the internet and whatnot. He gets mentioned in the Angry Video Game Nerd sometimes due to their "rivalry", and the reactions to those posts aren't much better.
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Behonkiss posted:There was a thread about his site a few months ago in GBS with the first post talking about how lovely it was, and just about every post after it was someone commenting that they watched him and couldn't bear his horrific attempts at humor and that he was a stain on the internet and whatnot. He gets mentioned in the Angry Video Game Nerd sometimes due to their "rivalry", and the reactions to those posts aren't much better. Oh, well, that's GBS. They hate everything.
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Tartarus Sauce posted:Really? I thought he'd really be up goons' alley. What's the problem with him? Making fun of childrens cartoons for being dumb is one of the most no-brainer topics on the planet to build a gimmick around, and making a ten-minute video about some crappy cash-in cartoon that the nostalgia critic himself probably cares more about than anybody who actually worked on the thing is painful. Plus in spite of his name he doesn't really do much to combat nostalgia, if his show was more about mocking his viewers and tearing down the people (including myself sometimes, admittedly) who can't seperate nostalgia from objective quality then I'd have a lot more respect for him; too many people have a bad habit of falling into that "I saw it when I was a kid therefore its great" rut. thelaughingman posted:Say what you will about Anastasia, but I loved the "In the dark of the night" song. I would rewind the movie over and over just to watch that part. It totally blew my mind to realize that Rasputin (in the singing parts) from Anastasia and Raymond from The Princess and the Frog were voiced by the same guy. Jim Cummings is incredible, it astounds me that professional voice actors like Steve Blum can get by using the same voice in everything while he has such a range both in speaking and singing.
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...of SCIENCE! posted:It totally blew my mind to realize that Rasputin (in the singing parts) from Anastasia and Raymond from The Princess and the Frog were voiced by the same guy. Jim Cummings is incredible, it astounds me that professional voice actors like Steve Blum can get by using the same voice in everything while he has such a range both in speaking and singing. I've always liked Jim Cummings, but what really blew my mind was finding out that he's been the voice of Winnie the Pooh since Sterling Holloway stopped. In his other voices, you can always hear that distinct raspiness, but Pooh is totally different.
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Behonkiss posted:I've always liked Jim Cummings, but what really blew my mind was finding out that he's been the voice of Winnie the Pooh since Sterling Holloway stopped. In his other voices, you can always hear that distinct raspiness, but Pooh is totally different. Cummings is great, but I can always tell when it's him. Even when he was just laughing as Ed in The Lion King! Also pretty sure he takes over vocal duty for Jeremy Irons about halfway through 'Be Prepared', which is odd considering Irons is a pretty damned fine singer and used to busk in London before he acted. Eh.
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...of SCIENCE! posted:Plus in spite of his name he doesn't really do much to combat nostalgia, See, I always thought his objective was to take common objects of nostalgia, and comment on them, rather than make fun of nostalgia in and of itself. Overall, he seems to be just as nostalgic as the next Millennial or GenXer. I've always been a fan of his top-eleven lists, because some of them manage to touch on things that passed me by. Oh, and I like the movie reviews by Chester A. Bum. Well, and what he does isn't quite as easy as it looks, because I've watched some absolutely painful videos by a number of Nostalgia Critic wannabes. You'd think making fun of bad cartoons or stupid 80s movies would be like shooting a fish in a bucket, but some people just can't hack it, for some reason. quote:too many people have a bad habit of falling into that "I saw it when I was a kid therefore its great" rut. Right, and they get insanely, rabidly defensive when you criticize said "great" thing. Me, I do my best to distinguish between, "I saw this when I was 9, and thought it was great," and "I saw this when I was 9, and it is great." On voice actors--Jeff Bennett, and especially, Frank Welker, are pretty incredible too. I've always been impressed by Welker's ability to do so many different types of animals. Tartarus Sauce fucked around with this message at Jul 16, 2010 around 18:27 |
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uberwekkness posted:Yeah, Ariel was kind of TOO MUCH of a stereotypical teenager. ("Why don't you go tell my FATHER! Hmph!") Hell yes you should I'm gonna watch it right now on VHS.
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HOT BREAD! posted:After this thread I went and watched Anastasia again for the first time in years and just went uuuuuuggghhhh through the whole thing. Just an absolute cutesypoo cheesefest. It is a gorgeous movie though, if you ignore the wiggle animation. I reckon the humans were rotoscoped or something because they look just barfy. Overanimated. quote:The good thing about it though is it made me curious to look up the real story behind the Romanov dynasty and the history of the family, their murder and the vanishing Alexei and Anastasia and it is really interesting. Apparently they finally found the missing two Romanovs in 2007 and laid them to rest. Love "Once Upon a December" though.
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Kipory posted:So what are some good less popular or obscure classics on Netflix instant queue? I perused Netflix's Family and Animation sections, and while most of these probably aren't old or obscure, here's what I found: The Bugs Bunny/Road Runner Movie Quest for Camelot James and the Giant Peach Anastasia The Incredible Mr. Limpet Batman: Mask of the Phantasm Batman & Mr. Freeze - Subzero Also:  DelgoThere really isn't too much in the way of animated film on Netflix Instant.
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