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Oh my god, the existence of this thread fills me with overwhelming joy. I wrote a review for Despicable Me in one of the other threads. I don't really feel like re-writing it, but I found this movie very good. Toy Story 3 good? No. How to Train your Dragon good? Absolutely not. But I found it relentlessly fun. I do think it's important to go during a busy time, though. The laughter of other people around you can really help in your enjoyment of a film. Furthermore, the style of DM was very pleasing to me; it had a very artful quality, especially in its use of open space. I saw it in 2D, not 3D, so I can't comment on how effectively that aspect may have been utilized. Also, a kid's movie with no romance! That's damned rare and damned appreciated. I also sat through Shrek 4, which wasn't really that bad. It was extremely average, but compared to the third one, that is loving BLISS. I was under the impression, watching it, that if they hadn't been obligated to make it, well, a Shrek film, it would have been much better. The story itself wasn't that bad, but it was always getting sidetracked with useless callbacks that I sort of imagine were demanded by marketing. I'd strongly rate HTTYD higher than TS3, although both were quite exceptional. Someone in here mentioned Secret of Kells, which is... pretty good, and very good for the kind if budget we're talking about. The way the Vikings were animated was absolutely inspired. However, some of the animal animation, notably the wolves and goose, were pretty embarrassing. The older monk was probably the best animated of anything. I especially like how this movie used hands. The fight with the great demon to get the eye is very poor, however. All in all, great style which failed on the technical front. Also, sub-par voice acting for a great many of the characters. Still definitely worth a watch for an animation fan, though. Legend of the Guardians is actually making me a little panicky, since I'll be abroad when it comes out (for a year) and I don't know if there are English showings of these films there. (I'll be in a major European city.) I want to see it PAINFULLY bad, though. The books are amazing and Happy Feet, regardless of any flaws, was beautiful to the extreme. Alpha and Omega is going to be poo poo. And this is from someone who found Open Season passable, if you looked at it through a particular light. Pick fucked around with this message at Jul 12, 2010 around 00:52 |
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To be fair, not everyone likes a film that seems artificially crisp. One of my favorite things about Felidae and Rock & Rule is that the human influence--the brushstrokes, in a manner of speaking--can be seen and you can appreciate it as a product derived from craft as opposed to something that seems almost sterile in its perfection. I really liked TS3 though  .Edit: Oh, and we clearly see an owl forge and an owl metalsmith, so I don't see why you think they couldn't make helmets on it. Pick fucked around with this message at Jul 12, 2010 around 01:19 |
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Frankly, I think Felidae schools even The Plague Dogs in WTFnitude. And that's saying a lot, considering Felidae has a happy ending, and The Plague Dogs sure as hell doesn't. Also, the style of Felidae, in that it's more whimsical, actually makes it feel even creepier to me. I mean, Plague Dogs looks like a serious movie, animation-wise. Felidae could have been a grimdark sequel to The Aristocats. Rio looks a little cute, and definitely scores better than Alpha and Omega. Being a crazed animation fool, I'll probably see both, so I'll be able to say more then. After all, movies can surprise you. Just look at Surf's Up! I thought that movie was going to blow like no tomorrow, but it ended up being not only enjoyable, but unimaginably beautiful. I hadn't heard of Rango before this thread, and now I'm all giddy and excited, because here I was groaning because next year is Cars 2 (a sequel to a movie I find terminally lame) and Kung Fu Panda 2 (a movie I adore and am almost certain they will destroy, probably with a looooveee stoorrryyy).
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anaaki posted:Tinkerbell the movie Part 2 Actually, the Tinkerbell movies are quite interesting, at least to me. Think about the first one especially. The message here is clear. The engineers are developing technology which makes the natural talents of others obsolete. With their twigs, acorns, and little bits of grass--manipulated with their teeny tiny stone hammers--they are breaking down the caste society in which they have been born and forced to serve as members of the proletariat. All they needed was a leader with exceptional talent and a knack for attracting the admiration of others, namely, I'm waiting for Tinkerbell: The October Revolution, but it sounds like they're doing "The Great Fairy Rescue" first though.
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I think there's no way we know enough to be able to make an informed decision about that, and this discussion will inevitably end in the Disney v. Pixar 'spergado that always happens when both companies are mentioned in the same sentence and it will consume this thread and drive it into an early, unpleasant, twisted death. Also, it would be unfair to suggest either company has only a direct link to the other; movies such as The Reef (aka "Shark Bait") indicate that other companies are also getting info. Or "Happy Feet" and "Surf's Up" (both non-Disey, non-Pixar) coming out near the same time, though they ended up not being particularly similar. I think what's really going on is that the people who work in these industries are old friends from Calarts or meeting up at conventions or are just plain friends and they're saying a little more than they should to one another, as people in such industries often do (because you want to talk about what you're working on; that's normal). I mean, a lot of movie fans seem to imagine Dreamworks and Disney as completely discrete entities, but they're drawing from the same pool, and indeed trading people between themselves constantly. You don't need spies, you just need people recently from the other studio, which BOTH companies always have. Pick fucked around with this message at Jul 12, 2010 around 21:56 |
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You mean the ending where the robot takes all the little guys into it and is redeemed by the inclusion of human thoughts and feelings? Because everyone I know was amazed that wasn't the ending.
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Tartarus Sauce: Haha, thought so. Yeah, I... don't even know. ZenMaster: I'll say the same thing I always say about Wall-E: it's a really interesting film until the humans show up, at which point it becomes very mediocre... very... cluttered and disorganized. Also, there was absolutely no logical reason for the steering wheel to be recalcitrant. It felt like yet another shoehorned Pixar villain. Still not as bad as the utter lack of anything RESEMBLING logic for having Waternoose be evil from Monsters, Inc. though. Pixar seems to do that when they realize that the actual conflict in their movie has nothing to do with fighting... add fighting however nonsensical it might be. Oh, also I seem to recall them releasing all the dysfunctional robots at once. God, let's hope they don't loving kill anybody, holy poo poo. Pick fucked around with this message at Jul 12, 2010 around 22:26 |
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anaaki posted:Okay, Cinema Goons, you convinced me. I'll see the Tinkerbell movie. Return to Neverland is one of the good Disney sequels. Yeah, you heard me goons, good. Bambi II is the only one I know that actually improves on the original, but Cinderella III (not II! Avoid II at all costs!) is also quite fun, if not astounding, and makes the prince a fleshed-out character in his own right. Furthermore, it's mostly about Anastasia, one of the stepsisters, and how she feels, which makes her quite interesting. Also, Cinderella is a loving badass in Cinderella III, which I appreciate. 
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If anyone here hasn't seen Bambi II and likes Bambi, rent it now! The animation is unbelievable, the story is surprisingly solid, and it has Patrick Stewart as a major role. Edit: Tartarus Sauce posted:I would never say it was terrible--that is a word I reserve for things like Doogal, absolutely everything by Video Brinquedo, most of the movies done by Vanguard, most of the Richard Rich-produced stuff, Don Bluth's Thumbelina, and the Land Before Time sequels. (And even then, only the first two are completely devoid of all value.) I am interested by the rest of your list though, because despite having extremely low standards on what animation I'll go see (not on what I like. That's different) I have not seen Doogal or any of Vanguard's films. Could you expand a little bit on them? I've heard they're so bad that I don't want to go actively seek them out, but I'm curious how bad they were if they're cited next to Thumbelina, which is a vomit-inducing trainwreck of epic proportions. I didn't know the name Richard Rich until I looked him up... Swan Princess? Blugh. Swan Princess II and III? Superbleugh. The King and I? Famously atrocious animation. Alpha and Ome---.... woah woah guys. He's the brains behind Alpha and Omega. Pick fucked around with this message at Jul 13, 2010 around 01:30 |
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Ice Age has some serious technical problems. The snow looks and works like mashed potatoes and the water effects are so poor they've been used as examples of how not to do water effects at animation conventions. However, the character interactions are solid and the story is quite respectable. I think it's a good movie that was simply hampered by a lack of technical prowess. Ice Age 2 is watchable and the snow and water issues were taken care of then. Also, they kept humans out of it, which was wise, considering they were another weak point in the original Ice Age film. I was on a 18 hour flight from Vancouver to Auckland and I still couldn't sit through Horton Hears a Who, and I didn't even get to that anime thing.
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Also, I think a lot of people are too quick to jump on the Dreamworks hatewagon when it comes to their sequels. Are they bad? Yes, yes, of course. Yes they are. But Dreamworks is a business, like any other, and it's very possible that their sequels are a lot of what allowed them to fund riskier, more ambitious projects like How to Train your Dragon and Kung Pu Panda. By the way, I own the Kung Pu Panda artbook, which is apparently expensive to get ahold of now. Would it be okay to post some scans? The art inside is so breathtaking it warms my heart. However, it's also clear from the book how close Kung Fu Panda was to being an artistic abortion, which amazes me because I think its sheer style is something even Pixar has never achieved. Oh I also have the Hercules artbook, and the Hunchback of Notre Dame one too. Those are really good as well. (The Princess and the Frog's is kind of disappointing though. I think they were afraid of showing too much developmental artwork.)
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I think Thumbelina takes strong hits for the frog with huge jugs. I'll see if I have it on DVD, and if I do, I'll screencap some of it. Edit: There's a gap in my binder, which means I own it but misplaced it... rrr. Would anyone like me to take some screenshots of anything else? Maybe Nocturna? That's one of the best animated films to have come out recently. Have people here seen that one? I also can screencap Princess and the Pea if anyone wants that. I should review that one too; it's interesting to break down because though it's not good, it's much less bad than one would normally expect. It was also done partially in Hungary, which is interesting. It seems Europe is still making a few animated films here and there (like The Three Wise Men (Los Reyes Magos) which as far as I can tell is one of the least religious films ostensibly about religion I've ever seen). Pick fucked around with this message at Jul 13, 2010 around 02:44 |
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No official DVD release in the USA, I had to get my friend in Europe to buy Nocturna and send it to me. Same with Princess and the Pea and Felidae. Nocturna, like Felidae, did have a legit English dub, and it's very good. I couldn't even tell it wasn't the original. It's British accented though, of course. Also like Felidae, Nocturna is totally, 100% worth importing. It's got a 7.4 rating on IMDB or something, but that's bull. Everyone I've ever showed it to positively adored it. It's extremely original, pleasing to the eye, well voice-acted, and some moments really do touch the heart. Everyone loves the Cat Shepherd! Pick fucked around with this message at Jul 13, 2010 around 02:54 |
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As for Nocturna, I don't know.... Should I upload it onto Youtube maybe? It's almost completely impossible to get in the USA (and it doesn't exist with our region coding) so I don't know if that would sort of be okay  . I also don't think there are any plans to release it in the US at any time, and I've kept an eye out.TigerMoJo posted:Ahaha completely forgot about that fuckin' frog. Shows how long it's been since I saw it. The beetle is pretty loving creepy, too. Sir Lemming posted:I always thought the Ice Age movies would've been better if Shrek hadn't come out first. I feel like some executive put pressure on them to make it a HILARIOUS IRREVERENT BUDDY COMEDY instead of an adventure film with comedic moments. Not that I can prove any of this, mind you. Pick fucked around with this message at Jul 13, 2010 around 02:58 |
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Oh man, that solves the Doogal mystery  . Thanks for sparing me that kind of pain.If I see some Vanguard pictures at Redbox, though, I might check them out. I'm a horrible animation obsessive. I actually meant to go see Space Chimps but it left theaters too quickly. Say, has anyone here seen Delgo? Apparently that was another baddie, but not a single person I know has ever seen it. I've also never seen it for rent, and I really, really don't want to have to buy it. VVVV Fern Gully feels a little (a lot) 90s, but I simply cannot shake loving it. Also, Hexxus is loving balls-out terrifying. I'll put him and Frollo near the top of my list of rib-quakingly horrifying villains. Pick fucked around with this message at Jul 13, 2010 around 03:22 |
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The King & I is mystifyingly bad. I also saw it when it showed on television, and I didn't even know what to make of it. Also, man, that water animation is god awful. Quest for Camelot had better water animation than that! (Actually, that's a little unfair, because despite having revolting character design, a lot of the animation in QfC was relatively solid... ish. I like the griffin and metal guys?)
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[n/m; movie is unavailable in USA hence misunderstanding]
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Okay, no worries. I wasn't sure, since someone had linked to The King and I on Youtube previously. Thanks for the heads up!
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Too bad the film is awful, and I don't mean in terms of having absolutely no redeeming morals, although maybe that too.
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Jay Dub posted:Ah, I missed that. Looks like it was done more to show an example I think. I just know the mods are a bit particular about that stuff. If nothing else, the main man in charge of style (Nicolas Marlet, a genius) did this interesting sketch, although his KFP stuff is a totally different bag of worms. I can't find the story behind it, other than it's a character from the musical Cats (duh).  I also have his signed limited run sketchbook, but I won't scan from that.
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Here's an example from the KFP artbook. Hopefully this is okay. This is only 14 of the frames though, out of... about double that.  Sorry it's not matched up perfectly. Also, these are to guide the 3d, so it's not meant to work perfectly timing-wise. This isn't Marlet's though. Pick fucked around with this message at Jul 13, 2010 around 06:08 |
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anaaki posted:I thought the same thing - if they can draw that good, why not just do it traditionally?
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On the re-used animation angle, they didn't do this because they were lazy. People seem to assume all the old Disney films were blockbusters, but they sure as hell weren't. Prior to The Jungle Book, a lot of them just scraped by, and a lot of famous ones, like Fantasia, were financial flops.
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It's hardly exclusively Disney. Just take the Censored 11, for example. Anyway, here's a BEAUTIFUL trailer for Siegfried, a French traditionally animated movie which was apparently never made, which is still representative of the way things are. Honestly, I'm still much more fond of traditional animation than 3D and this kind of trailer shows why. This would be a millionfold lamer in CG. Link Rumor from Calarts animation students is that The Snow Queen has been "indefinitely shelved" but we'll see. Pick fucked around with this message at Jul 14, 2010 around 04:22 |
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Behonkiss posted:So does their 2D division have anything planned after the Pooh movie and Reboot Ralph (Which I know literally nothing about besides the title)? It would suck if after Lasseter fought so hard to get those artists back, executives forced them out again after a few movies. Apparently they wanted Princess and the Frog to make "Lion King numbers" (look up what The Lion King made and realize how loving batshit crazy that is). They're giving Pooh another chance because it's tried and true. To be honest though, things apparently aren't looking good for the animators at Disney Studios. (Again, this info is from Calarts' animation department via a student I know in the program. Calarts brings in Disney folk for guest lectures and many of them also teach there/are friends with the profs.)
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I just don't know how Disney could expect to make that kind of bank on a movie that didn't have the highest budget and was the result of re-hiring a lot of people who hadn't even been working as animators recently, much less with one another. Disney studios had to re-buy animation desks, for gently caress's sakes! It was basically like starting from scratch, just under the wonderful guidance of Clemens and Musker. For the record, Princess and the Frog's budget was $105 million. Treasure Planet's was 140 million. Tarzan's was 150 million. Atlantis was 120 million. Also, [triggerwarning!] I don't think you can discount the effect of racism on that film's success or lack thereof. Pick fucked around with this message at Jul 14, 2010 around 20:11 |
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Unmistakeable Fire posted:I love traditional animation as much as anybody, am choked with bitterness for CGI out of nostalgia for my childhood of Disney movies, and want it to have another Renaissance, but Princess and the Frog really wasn't that great of a movie. It's not bad or anything but it certainly didn't have that same magic as that early 90s golden age period for Disney. If they wanted another Lion King level hit they simply had to make a better movie. Honestly, I think The Lion King is one of Disney's most overrated movies. Anyway, the point was, Disney was not going to be able to make a film like that. A lot of their people were new or hadn't worked with one another before/recently. Films in the fashion of the Disney Renaissance happened when the best people who had known one another for ages came together in comfort. Just look at Beauty and the Beast: that was loving Glen Keane, James Baxter, and Andreas Deja with the Beast, Belle, and Gaston, respectively. That's a superstar trio, AND they knew one another, AND they knew the story people, AND they had worked there forever with all the backing that went with it. (In fact, Beauty and the Beast "began" with Walt, but kept getting shelved over and over.) This was different. They might have had some of their old guys, like Deja, kicking around, but it wasn't the same kind of dynamic and due to the overarching structure of the studio at the time, couldn't have been. anaaki: Yeah, Rescuers Down Under is the first CAPS one, and it's one of my favorite Disney movies. "Right outta the skyyy!"
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Oh man, I have to admit, I find the first Rescuers movie really boring. Also, I'm with Welles and am not a fan of prayer onscreen.
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I really kind of despise Titan AE, despite it trying to be a lot of what I think animated films should be. However, it just has that... rear end quality of a great number of Bluth films. Also, it seemed like all the aliens were characters from The Land Before Time stuck onto human bodies. The animation is very sharp though. Ugh, but the plot! You could drive a tanker through the holes in that ... thing. (All the ships are getting shot down! You need two pieces of a thing to make it work! Let's send both pieces on separate ships, thus astronomically increasing the odds you'll lose something integral!) Furthermore, the color palette--often one of my most hated aspects of Bluth films--was bad as ever. How can the colors always be so obnoxious? Atlantis is okay. (Although it's funny Claudia Christian got hired to do a Russian voice for that film. Yes, we've all seen and loved Babylon 5, but she's not actually Russian!) I like Treasure Planet a lot better though. A lot of that is a matter of style. Treasure Planet was rounded, dynamic, and very accurate. The way Silver meshed with the CGI arm? Keane's talent is out of this world. But Atlantis had that weird, sharp anime look that just didn't jive with me and always felt flat. Plus they seemed to be REALLY INTO the fact that they were steampunk. Look at how steampunk we are! Hgnnurrfffffff [*humps storyboard*]. Treasure Planet was still "old but new", but I felt it was more artful. Treasure Planet's visuals were more pleasing to me. They kept a better sense of volume, I think, and some of the framing! Oh god. In every single shot, the composition was amazing. Also, no stupid romance plot! Awesome. I mean, we got Doppler and the captain, but that didn't involve the main character. I do wish they'd kept with the Kit Fisto-lookin' Amelia though. That actually said "alien" to me, not... "cat." As for Lion King and Kimba, yes. Clearly The Lion King is based off Kimba. The Lion King is better by a huge margin, but that doesn't change that they started working before they got the rights. (Also it's better to compare it to the show, not the movie version, since the show is what the animators and writers grew up with.) Pick fucked around with this message at Jul 15, 2010 around 21:46 |
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The Little Mermaid bothers me a bit because Ariel is such a loser.
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We're Back has has Screw-Eyes, which I thought was a cooler concept than villain. Honestly, the movie kind of sucks, but it's sort of fun. When the dinosaurs are in their "monstrous" forms, they look pretty damned cool. Also there's that parade scene where it kind of looks like the main T-rex is having sex with a giant inflatable Spider-man. Which still makes it more respectful to the character than Spider-man 3. It's out on DVD for cheap. I have a copy. Oh, although Yeardley Smith uses like EXACTLY the same Lisa Simpson voice for Cecilia, and it's really obvious and annoying. 
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HOT BREAD! posted:After this thread I went and watched Anastasia again for the first time in years and just went uuuuuuggghhhh through the whole thing. Just an absolute cutesypoo cheesefest. It is a gorgeous movie though, if you ignore the wiggle animation. I reckon the humans were rotoscoped or something because they look just barfy. Overanimated. quote:The good thing about it though is it made me curious to look up the real story behind the Romanov dynasty and the history of the family, their murder and the vanishing Alexei and Anastasia and it is really interesting. Apparently they finally found the missing two Romanovs in 2007 and laid them to rest. Love "Once Upon a December" though.
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Dude, Mask of the Phantasm is surprisingly decent. And the DC Direct movies so far have been good as well, although some are much better than others (Crisis on Two Earths is my favorite.) Anyway, though I am not by any means a Wal-Mart shopper, their $5 DVD bins tend to be loaded with animated features. I've seen every Dreamworks traditionally animated film in there, The Iron Giant, The Incredible Mr. Limpet, and Quest for Camelot. Target also usually has Thumbelina and Swan Princess for around $5. If you're like me and collect animated films, it can be good to swallow your pride and go for it. Also, The Curious Adventures of Mr. Wonderbird is a French animated film you could get on those $1 DVDs for a while, and it's... well, kind of crap, but worth seeing for its historical importance. Plus some of the animation is quite solid. (Just some of it also... isn't. And it makes no sense.) Edit: As it turns out, it's uploaded on archives.org. This version, the '52 version, is legal public domain, although there's a more complete version that was finished in 1980. Begun in 1948. Long production! It is worth noting that the 1980 version is TOTALLY DIFFERENT despite having about an hour of the same footage. Pick fucked around with this message at Jul 16, 2010 around 21:13 |
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Behonkiss: The film was still finished by one of the same guys (the other died before it finished, I think). Either way, the movie is honestly pretty boring and the animation style is grossly out of date, but it's still interesting if you're an animation fan. The Tale of the White Serpent, the first anime feature film in color, is sort of like this also. It's a bit of a mess (and the dub dates back to those  days where they didn't actually translate anything, just talked over what they thought was happening) but from a historical POV it's worth a watch.Mr Glorious Sunbath: FOR REALS what was up with Anastasia's... everything relating to fact? Oh wow, yeah, the people of the Soviet Union would just LOVE for some members of the royal family to still be alive! Let's sing about it! And feed a perception that Rasputin actually did poo poo as opposed to, frankly, probably not do all that much poo poo. Oh, also the royal family totally died at their height. Yeah, m-hmm. Citizen Insane: I hate how magic was worked into NIMH, because the book is, as you said, phenomenal. Furthermore, it wasn't that outrageous, scientifically speaking. We've already bred rodents in labs that live longer (something that Mr. Frisby experienced, as well as the rats) as well as those that exercise more/are lazier, etc. So really, the premise was solid, even though it was obviously exaggerated (especially in terms of language and philosophy). Working magic into it... in a way removed the magic of the original story. Interestingly, Ratatouille is thematically more like the original NIMH than Bluth's production ever was. On the owl note, I seem to recall that the rats/Mr. Frisby once helped him or something. Either way, the mutual respect was not out of character. Oh man, Alma isn't that original, but it sure is creepy! Dimentia: A Troll in Central Park is one of the worst animated films I've ever seen, but the "absolutely greeeennn" part of that song gets stuck in my head from time to time. Here's a Youtube link to the song. This movie had some weird coloring issues, but not nearly as bad as The Pebble and the Penguin, which at some parts was like... half-painted? That movie was a production disaster though. Pick fucked around with this message at Jul 17, 2010 around 02:18 |
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Tartarus Sauce posted:Let's play 'Spot the Oopsies!' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOk2Lug5fw4
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Anastasia and Titan AE are pretty different than the other three, though, in respects that have nothing to do with animation. But yeah, I won't discount that execs probably had a huge influence when it comes to how bad, for example, Pebble and the Penguin is.
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Mr Glorious Sunbath posted:I have a soft spot for Treasure Planet. I really liked the movie Then again, some people also don't like Lilo & Stitch and that just baffles me. quote:I think it's because I saw Titan A.E., then Atlantis, then Treasure Planet. Titan A.E. had a scatter-brained plot, so I couldn't invest into it the way I wanted. The bad guys hate humans for "what we could become"... whatever that was, and destroyed our planet they hated us so badly. The guy who made the Titan was able to design a world-creating ship but nobody had created anything capable of blowing up the bad guys (despite the Titan being fully capable of doing just that somehow). The captain goes to great lengths to recruit the kid, help him actually escape from the bad guys, then turns around and betrays him out of nowhere for some vague... payment from the bad guys or something? They were made of energy, what could they give him? Then the bad guys had to destroy the Titan, and couldn't just like... wait five minutes and blow up the planet it makes? The movie was loving mess. It had intriguing characters and an interesting premise, but the plot sucked rear end.
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I think I may be the only one. The character designs, the crazy galactic age-of-sail thing, even the portrayal of Jim and Long John Silver's relationship I enjoyed. It was insane and nuts and "why", but I really don't care. Guess it's a guilty pleasure of mine.
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Mr Glorious Sunbath posted:I also saw Brother Bear not long ago, for the first time. I had reservations about it, as it was created during the late 90's/early 00's decline of Disney 2D. But, I decided to give it a chance after all this time. It started out promising for the first 15 minutes or so, but it ironically loses all steam once the guy actually turns into a bear. It reminded me of Tarzan, only to a worse extent (I think it must be all the loving Phil Collins music). Like Tarzan, the interesting part of the world is the stuff before the main conflict of the movie starts. I could watch a full movie of Tarzan vine-surfing, and the culture of Ice Age people and their totem stuff is interesting too (the character designs for the humans were fun to look at). Anyway, Brother Bear pretty much sucks. It's more ham-fisted than a hog. There is absolutely no subtlety to anything at any time. Bears good. People good. Douchebaggy protagonist bad because he does not understand that nature is like a huge, cuddly orgy. Whatever. Now I'm a bear! Great. At least then maybe your lifespan will be shorter. quote:It wasn't as bad as Home on the Range, but it was close. The ending was the funniest part. Yo bro, I turned into a bear, but I like this little bear guy, so I'm gonna be a bear forever. I know it's hard, and I'll miss you aw gently caress it let's hang out all the time. Just you and me, bear bros. And the rest of the tribe are cool with it too. Awesome. Let's bear bro hug. Home on the Range doesn't strike me as that bad if you look at it as an extra-long Tex Avery cartoon. Also there's that part where the horse is making it sound like he and his rider are banging, but I don't think that was intentional. ... Of Science: South Park hasn't been construction paper for a long-assed time dude, sorry. Like, since the pilot. Pick fucked around with this message at Jul 17, 2010 around 06:38 |
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I don't know what is up with Once Upon a Forest's ending song, but I really like it. The part in the flashback where traps are being set for the badgers? Ooooh my god. Also you realize the little baby badger girl is Flower's mom, whose corpse is later shown, like, ONSCREEN.
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TonTon posted:Question - since I'm kind of just getting into film as a serious hobby, what would those of you who are well-versed in animated film recommend as 'must-see' to a relative newcomer? I have made a point of watching every single Pixar film at least once, so I'm covered there, but what are the 'classics', outside of the Disney stuff? What are some good foreign animated films? If you're really interested in film and not necessarily a  good time, here are my recommendations:The Plague Dogs: a British film which is infamously depressing. The dogs are not stylized (they are also anatomically correct) and it lends a unique look to this film, which was by the same studio as the wildly successful Watership Down. This movie discusses (and shows) animal abuse, notably in laboratories, and to some extent people's dissatisfaction with the government. Some of the animal testing scenes are very powerful, although not as grotesque as Felidae's. It was based on a book. Felidae: This is a German animated film, but it has a solid English dub. It's interesting because it uses a familiar style (almost Disneyesque), but is absolutely not for children. It's an adaptation of a novel aimed at adults. It's a murder mystery, also, which is rare for animated films. This movie is incredibly violent and brutal. The nightmare scenes are... unforgettable. Animal Farm: The original anti-Soviet propaganda version, made in the UK. It's available almost for free (dollar DVD bins), and I believe it is actually public domain now. It is surprisingly beautiful and representative of older animation without appearing choppy, sloppy, or cheap. It's universally well-recognized and respected. Every fan of film, whether or not he or she likes animation, should be familiar with this film, as well as the history behind it, such as the changed ending. Rock & Rule: The first feature-length Canadian animated film, made by Nelvana. This movie has a style completely different than any other animated film with which I am familiar. The quality of the animation is good, but the story and the presentation is very strange. It's a cult favorite, though the movie was originally a flop. This film is also not designed for children, but instead for an older audience. It shows drug use, among other things. The villain is the most memorable aspect of this film. Fantastic Planet: Created by teams in France and Czechoslovakia, this science fiction film from the 70s is extremely famous, well-animated, and frankly pretty trippy. It is also based off a novel. It's a surreal experience all around, but you still feel like you take something away. I definitely recommend this film to anyone who has not yet seen it, particularly because of its unique take on animation and its various themes regarding science and the unknown. Nocturna: The only film on this list that's "recent", Nocturna was a Spanish/French production from 2007. This one really is designed for all ages, but has a very recognizably "European" style. The story and designs are extremely original, and the film is fun to watch. This is by far the most "accessible" animated film on this list, though it is one of the least well-known. The animation quality is very high despite its shamefully picayune budget. The dub (British English) is superb. Pick fucked around with this message at Jul 18, 2010 around 00:29 |
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