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Sep 9, 2001

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Mr.48 posted:

I have the fi-fi only Kindle 3 and it is absolutely worth every penny, and having experienced the shittyness of their so called browser I dont feel I'm missing anything without the 3G.

I really don't get why anyone buys the 3G Kindle unless they don't own a computer at all or something, but to each their own. I can't imagine needing a new book RIGHT THE gently caress NOW or needing to access the internet on a really really bad browser and being away from a wireless network my desktop or netbook or smartphone, which I never am anyway.

Actually I don't think I've even used amazon to transfer books at all. :love: Calibre :love:

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Sep 9, 2001

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Ara posted:

I use the 3G on my Kindle every day to study during my downtime at work, check weather, look things up on Wikipedia/Google, and occasionally check train schedules. 50 USD is cheap as hell for lifetime 3G access, and conversely I can't imagine wasting so much more money on a smartphone with data package.

I get unlimited everything for $30/month.

With the same tremendous suckitude that is Sprint's network that the Kindle 3G has. Thing is, I'd pay for that either way every month (what the hell use is a phone with no email?!), even if it was twice as much, whereas I saved $50 once not getting it on the kindle.

I guess it's just a matter of what people carry with them anyway. To me it was a very clear waste of money, but if you have a dumbphone or something but carry your kindle everywhere I guess it makes sense. I don't see how anyone could do that but it's all good.

IRQ
Sep 9, 2001

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Stupid_Sexy_Flander posted:

Awesome in theory, will be poo poo in execution.

This basically sums up the entire DRMed ebook system so it's not really surprising.

IRQ
Sep 9, 2001

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screenwritersblues posted:

If you want something that you can download books wirelessly, but only has in house support: Kindle.

If you want something that can download books wirelessly, has in house support and can put epub and pdf files on it: Nook.

"If you're too dumb to use the internet: Nook"

If not, Calibre and whatever form factor you like more because format and support don't matter at all.

IRQ
Sep 9, 2001

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Stupid_Sexy_Flander posted:

Kindle 3 - "flimsy" build (just feels really really really fragile)

What makes you say that?

Mine feels quite sturdy. I've handled a Nook as well, and it just felt really heavy and bulky and the page turn buttons seemed like an obvious design flaw, but it didn't feel any more robust than the Kindle 3.

The only part of either I feel like anyone should worry about anyway is the screen itself, and none of them protect that any more than the others.

IRQ
Sep 9, 2001

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Velius posted:

I honestly am very confused as to why the replaceable battery is a selling point for you. The battery life on the kindle 3 is at least 3 weeks of consistent high-level use (albeit without wireless), and rather than say, plug it in, you want to be able to drive to a bookstore to buy new batteries (for 30 dollars, no less). Outside of the relatively contrived situation of going on a trip on low batteries, without your charger, I can't conceive of any reason it's a 'feature'.

What he's talking about is that batteries wear out over time (due to lots of charge and discharge cycles) and he doesn't want to have to send it to Amazon when his craps out.


Which is all well and good if we're talking about something that needs to be charged daily like a cell phone, but the Kindle can go at least 3 weeks without a charge so you're barely even touching the battery as far as wear and tear. I doubt I'll ever need to replace my Kindle battery and by the time that becomes an issue we will probably be able to beam books directly into our brains via DoucheTooth head implants or something anyway.

IRQ
Sep 9, 2001

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I'm right there with you most of the time. I probably will crack open my kindle at some point just because there's very few electronics I own that I don't. Perhaps that's why I don't really care that the battery isn't "easily" replaceable, but I still don't think it's ever going to deteriorate over the useful lifetime of the device to the point where it's an issue.

I looked at some tear-down posts on the internet before buying it, and it looks like the battery is pretty easily user-replaceable.

On a related note, this is part of why I don't understand you calling it fragile. The internals of the kindle 3 are all mounted to a steel sheet - the casing is plastic, but it's a very solid build for the most part. When it comes to actually damaging the thing, the Nook being encased in aluminum or whatever won't really help with shock damage (dropping them) which is what you're mostly likely going to ruin it with aside from something hitting the eInk screen.

IRQ
Sep 9, 2001

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Liberty_MI posted:

See this is the thing.. I have an ancient amazon account with an american address, an american credit card.. I dont get it.

I also have of course a canadian amazon account (different) etc.. now I am gunshy that this will be a huge pain in the rear end.


This is what I got, I wonder if it is because I downloaded and setup the software in Canada..

Dear liberty_mi,

I see that you attempted to purchase "Uncle Tom's Cabin [Kindle Edition]"

That's weird.

Although assuming you didn't plug in another title, Uncle Tom's Cabin is probably well out of copyright by now and available off Project Gutenberg or something.

IRQ
Sep 9, 2001

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That email is worded really strangely but am I understanding right when I say you're trying to order these books while in Canada but while using your US Amazon account? It's probably stupid publisher/distributor limitations. Which is extra stupid on a public domain book but that's still probably what it is.

Consider using a proxy with a US IP address.

IRQ
Sep 9, 2001

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Probably eats a lot of battery though.

I just use a lamp.

IRQ
Sep 9, 2001

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Ara posted:

I use the light on the official case all the time and it really doesn't use that much power. I probably use the light for half an hour to an hour every day, leave wireless on all the time, and read for 2-3 hours per day, and I still only charge the thing about once a week. The light is LED so it uses really little power. I love that loving case.

I charge like every 5 weeks. What is so inconvenient about a lamp?

IRQ
Sep 9, 2001

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Filthy Monkey posted:

I notice some talk of rooting older Nooks. What is that about, and is it something I might potentially want to do to this one, should such a thing be developed for it?

Nooks run Android. In a super basic sense, rooting an Android device refers to more or less "hacking" that device to bypass any lockdowns the manufacturer put in place and lets you access anything secured about the device, eg allows you to install custom stuff and allows you to edit/enable other features that weren't available from the stock Android install.

In short, it's very useful for Android based phones, but there's not really much reason to do it on a Nook as far as I know.

IRQ fucked around with this message at 04:33 on Nov 27, 2010

IRQ
Sep 9, 2001

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naptalan posted:

And the format support leaves something to be desired - other than the proprietary Kindle .azw file, you're stuck with .mobi and .txt (or limited PDF support, as discussed a few posts up).

Basically, if I had to recommend a device I'd go for the PRS-650 over the Kindle unless you are dead set on access to the Kindle store. Compared to what's out on the market and the features offered by other readers, Amazon is lagging behind.

I honestly see no point to a touchscreen on an ebook device. Features are dumb too. Buy whatever has page turn buttons you like the most. Because it's for reading books.

Also, once again, FORMAT DOESNT MATTER. Ever. http://calibre-ebook.com/

IRQ
Sep 9, 2001

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naptalan posted:

I don't like having to convert all my books rather than just dropping them on the device. Obviously I am already doing this or else I wouldn't be able to read them on my Kindle. :)

And yeah, I was a little iffy on the touchscreen too but it actually looks nicer to use than page turn buttons, ignoring all the other more specialised uses like an onscreen keyboard and drawing all over your books. You can just flick very lightly on any part of the screen to turn the page. The Kindle's buttons are quite stiff and require a lot more force to press.

To each their own, of course. I just really really hate seeing people go "ooooooo touch screeeeeeeeen!! :downs:" They just tend to get smudged, and that drives me crazy - even regular use of the kindle has resulted in enough screen smudge to annoy me. But if you prefer that method of turning a page more power to you. My cat has yet to headbutt a page-turn, I consider that a victory for the kindle. It also helps my OCD to not feel like the buttons are going to break off like the Nook's feel like. I also want to violently murder people who write or draw in books so there's another strike against the touchscreen!

And really with calibre it takes like 20 seconds to convert a book. The pushback against converting ebooks is also really perplexing to me, but perhaps it's just that I'm used to taking extra steps.

Bottom line, I still say that the biggest think people should consider is how the page turning works. It's what you'll do most so it's the most important, all other things largely being equal.


Stupid_Sexy_Flander posted:

Just a quick note, format DOES matter when it comes to DRM'd books.

Well I don't see why that should matter. DRM!

IRQ
Sep 9, 2001

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Patrovsky posted:

What is the best option for PDFs? I have a lot of school reading, and if I could use an ebook reader instead of printing it all out, that would definitely be a selling point. I'm guessing screen size would be the main issue with regards to readability (mostly plain text, 2-3 megabytes at the largest per file). I'm leaning towards Kindle, but the Nook color looks intriguing as well.

Edit: Is the Nook Color available internationally?

Edit 2: poo poo. Apparently not :(

I would first consult your school on how they think about it.

Some are completely retarded and think ebook readers are cheating machines. My current school forces the use of horribly halfassed software that "locks down" your computer. I know of probably a dozen ways to gently caress it (it is basically notepad that tries to lock you out of other functions). I don't, because there really isn't any way to cheat in the first place, but god drat is it security theater of the highest order if someone wanted to. I shudder to think what kind of money they must spend on it.


But enough of that. Kindles handle PDFs natively now, and as I constantly harp on in this thread, you can convert them to pretty much any format that you might find more useful through Calibre!

IRQ
Sep 9, 2001

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Bullio posted:

I was deadset on getting a Nook. It just appealed more to me with the user replaceable battery,

You will not be needing to replace the battery in these things.

IRQ
Sep 9, 2001

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Bruiser posted:

Got a kindle 3, 3g/wifi for xmas this year. I never knew I needed one! I just don't know what I want to read now, you know? All of these books at my fingertips,i don't know where to start. Also, can someone recommend a good case for it? I travel 40 weeks out of the year. Coming from someone who knew literally nothing about e readers.... I love this thing.

Just have to figure out what I'm going to do with it

Get the official case. It's way too drat expensive at $35 or whatever, but it uses the clasp mechanism built into the Kindle so you don't have ugly straps getting in the way.

IRQ
Sep 9, 2001

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Kerafyrm posted:

I will warn you - some of the non-lighted covers are causing issues. It was causing my Kindle to constantly reboot itself (and lose information, such as the last place I was at in the book and my collection folders) about once an hour or so. I did some research, removed the case, and it's never self-rebooted again.

I spoke to Amazon customer support and got a refund and ordered the lighted case, which doesn't cause those issues.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but how is that even possible?

IRQ
Sep 9, 2001

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Ahh, I didn't know those little holes were connected to anything.

IRQ
Sep 9, 2001

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Fire In The Disco posted:

That is really odd and must be either a new thing or exclusive to the 6"; my Kindle DX's cover has never caused a single issue in the year and a half I've had it.

I don't know about that either, maybe it was just an early version of the cover that maybe had metal clasps or something, but mine has 100% plastic clasps so there's no way it could possibly short out the Kindle.

IRQ
Sep 9, 2001

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Lester Shy posted:

I'm wondering if this is a problem with this particular book or if this is a common issue? Any tips so this doesn't happen again? I know it's not a huge deal, but I'd like to have a more accurate idea of how far along I am in a particular book. Any input is appreciated.

I haven't had that happen in about a dozen books, but I haven't bought any books from Amazon either.

IRQ
Sep 9, 2001

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maxnmona posted:

Mine broke last night in the exact same way, also without apparent cause. Interesting...

Do you dudes have a case? Apparently eink is not very tough if it's just getting tossed around.


I guess maybe I'm lucky I do the majority of my reading at home, but Amazon is notorious for great customer service so you should be good.

IRQ
Sep 9, 2001

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diapermeat posted:

Same :3:

I got my kindle for Christmas and am loving every second of it. Still sometimes get the urge to look to the left to see the second page.

I've also been scouring this forum and getting as many books as I can. I wont' be running out for a while.

Which leads me into a question.. How are you guys sorting your books? I have about 5 pages of random books that I have to thumb through. I haven't had a chance to figure out a good method for sorting yet.

I create collections by author with a few "genre" folders for books I don't have more than one of from the same author. As well as a generic Books collection that serves for miscellaneous stuff.

IRQ
Sep 9, 2001

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I only read the half of that post you shouldn't edit out.

Calibre converts any format of ebook to be usable by the Kindle and syncs to it with no effort.

IRQ
Sep 9, 2001

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GeneralTao posted:

My kindle reads me to sleep in Stephen Hawking's voice. Sometimes I light a candle to set the mood.

The male robot voice is ok, but the lady robot voice is seriously unsettling.

IRQ
Sep 9, 2001

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What do you mean by odd formatting? Stuff like ee cummings with crazy spacing?

If the ebook was commercially sold (ie you paid for it from Amazon or B&N or whatever) it should be identical to the print version in format.

If you didn't buy it commercially then there's more latitude, but it's not like it will be illegible gibberish, it's usually as good as if you had paid for a copy or it's a scanned copy with a handful of OCR errors that could be counted on an average human's digits.

IRQ
Sep 9, 2001

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Quad posted:

A friend of mine is looking at readers, and asking advice.
I've got a Sony Touch, and I wouldn't trade it for anything, in my opinion it does everything Kindle does, but better, with a touch screen. However it is about $100 more on average.
He's also looking at a PanOptics something-or-other.
Can anyone with Kindle experience legitimately recommend it over a Sony for reasons other than price?

Better battery life, hardware keyboard, not a touch screen, different page turn locations, Amazon customer support is amazing, Kindle store, free 3G internet if you buy the more expensive one, web browser.

I mean, all of these are subjective and depend on whether you use them or care about those things - you seem really jazzed about having a touch screen, but it's a negative to me. The differences really come down to personal preference and price, so take your friend to a Best Buy where they have them out on display and let him try out the various readers and see which one he likes best.

IRQ
Sep 9, 2001

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Yeah I love my Kindle but that argument never rang true to me. I got the non-3G version because if I ever lack the foresight to have a dozen or more books that I haven't read on the thing, especially if I'm going to be some place where I would want them (and where Sprint's CDMA 3G wouldn't work anyway), well, I really just don't see that happening. I have to figure someone with that little planning skills would also forget to charge the bloody thing in the first place.

IRQ
Sep 9, 2001

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Snuffman posted:

Calibre can't remove the DRM.

Calibre supports plugins.

IRQ
Sep 9, 2001

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OneArmedScissor posted:

Is this some sort of bug or is it indicative of some larger problem I don't know about?

RMA it, mine only takes like 2 hours to charge and that lasts 3 weeks+.

Lucky for you Amazon customer service is really good.

IRQ
Sep 9, 2001

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loudog999 posted:

My Kindle 3 should be in tomorrow. I had one of the original Kindles but sold it when I bought my Ipad, when I did have it I would always fuss about having it in the case all of the time. My question is, is the case really necessary? If my Kindle only goes from my bed stand, to my bag, and to work and back is it going to get scratched up?

If it leaves your house then yes it's needed.

IRQ
Sep 9, 2001

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The thing with the official amazon case is that it uses the built in clasp holes on the kindle, so you don't have stupid claps and poo poo all over the kindle at the corners.

Petty though it may be, that's worth it to me.

IRQ
Sep 9, 2001

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Ziir posted:

Would you say the internet is worth the extra $50? I was thinking at first then on long train rides I could use it to read my RSS feeds, look up information like movie times or Google Maps, or anything along those lines, but the more I think about it the less I think I should want those features because it'l distract me from reading books.

While I'm sure someone is going to disagree with me here, the browser really isn't good at all.

Google maps will definitely not work, navigating sites that have movie times will be unwieldy at best. It's reaaaaaly basic and excruciatingly slow because of the limitations of eink.

Just use your phone for that stuff.

IRQ
Sep 9, 2001

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Ara posted:

Oh hey I have the same crack in the lower right! It's gradually gotten longer over the past month or so, but I'm kind of worried about how long it'll take for an RMA to Japan. I use the thing for a couple hours every day, so I don't really want to be without it.

I think that crack might be there because I generally hold it upside-down over my head with my thumb right under the screen, which would put pressure on the right spot to make a crack like that.

Huh, I just noticed I have a crack there too on mine. Must be a design flaw.

I didn't really notice until you guys posted about it though so I'll hold off on RMA until they fix it.

IRQ
Sep 9, 2001

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JammyLammy posted:

I get the idea that some people don't like ereaders for whatever reason. What I don't get is the hate hardon that some people have for them though, that just boggles my mind.

Ereaders literally the holocaust.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alan-kaufman/google-books-and-kindles_b_380536.html

Maybe I'm missing some irony/sarcasm =/

This is loving hilarious.

Here's some more Luddite ramblings from Mr. :godwin: for your enjoyment: HIGH TECH TALIBAN (ALSO TECHNOLOGY IS HITLER)

I wonder if he appreciates the irony in the fact that technology is the only reason anyone will ever see his crazy blather.

IRQ
Sep 9, 2001

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Masonity posted:

Mostly a joy in knowing that it's temporary, soon I'll be using my kindle again. If only the publishers weren't retards when it comes to releasing books in hardback and on the kindle....

Isn't this dumb poo poo because the NYT bestseller list or whatever doesn't count ebook sales?

IRQ
Sep 9, 2001

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I would say that real books are Toyotas and ebooks are Lamborghinis and iPads are Volgas or Yugos or that one Ford that exploded if you looked at it sideways. Posting on the internet is an Edsel or a DeLorean.

:iiaca:


All formats are fine, it's people who dismiss one or the other as worthless that annoy me. I mean gently caress it, at least the person is reading enough to care, not enough people actually do that.

IRQ fucked around with this message at 14:16 on Feb 25, 2011

IRQ
Sep 9, 2001

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Florida Betty posted:

How would this work? If they don't have access to a library, they certainly don't have the money to buy ebooks, they may not have internet access to get ebooks from the library (the availability of which is pretty lovely to begin with, even in the rich areas), and I doubt public domain books are really the kind of thing to get kids into reading.

Same way it works with laptops, which has been done a ton of times. Believe it or not, poor rear end kids don't just turn around and sell the computers most of the time.

A single copy of Windows and Office alone, disregarding the hardware, is (at retail price) like 300+ ebooks at full retail price, not even considering the amount of stuff most schools teach that is public domain... Of course since we're talking about digital media in every case here, it costs the company providing it, ohhhhh, approximately less than nothing. Amazon could unload refurb Kindles and probably come out close to even on tax breaks.

IRQ
Sep 9, 2001

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Shakespeare is free. A lot of other poo poo is too. Most of the mainstays of the English canon.

And even for books that are under copyright, it costs Amazon literally nothing to "print" them.


To claim that ebooks are bad for public education is just loving stupid.

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IRQ
Sep 9, 2001

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Amazon CS is supposed to be really good.

I'll be finding out for myself Monday as the drat thing won't turn on tonight. I have the unlighted case which supposedly has problems and this is the second time my Kindle has spazed out on me refusing to turn on.


e: welp, apparently the case drained the battery

It also has that hairline crack in the lower right corner of the screen so I guess I may as well bitch about that too while I have them on the phone.

IRQ fucked around with this message at 04:30 on Feb 27, 2011

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