"Woman’s Hand Broken in Alleged Police Brutality Incident in Wheaton posted:

WHEATON, Md - A 65-year-old Wheaton woman is raising strong allegations against the Montgomery County police for excessive force, police brutality and unlawful entry.

Her hand is bandaged and in a cast. The seamstress says Montgomery County Police roughed her up in her own home.

"This guy grabbed my arm and was doing like this. Twisting it like this. I said stop you'll break my arm," said 65-year-old Piera Tundo as she recounts the night she says an officer police broke her hand.

"I never done anything wrong all the years I came from Italy. I never get in trouble to nobody. They come in and treat like a criminal," said Tundo.

"She's fragile. She's never hurt a fly. She never got a ticket. Why are you guys attacking her. It was nerve wracking and it was very scary. Police brutality. Plain and simple," said her son Salvador Rivas.

Rivas says it all started as officers went to their home to serve him with a bench warrant after he failed to show up for court for a misdemeanor offense.

At first, officers in plain clothes allegedly showed up at their door posing as yard workers.

"She answered the door. Some older male and he told her do you need anyone to cut your grass and she said no. He left," said Rivas.

Minutes later her son says he saw more people dressed in dark clothing at the door. This time according to him, they pushed their way inside the home.

Montgomery county police want transparency in such cases and a spokesman says Chief Charles Manger takes all brutality complaints very seriously.

The department already started looking into the complaint even before it was officially filed.

The family says officers never identified themselves and did not produce a warrant until hours later. They thought it was a home invasion.

"In the corner of my eye, I see people running to the door with regular clothes and no uniform. They knock on door. I open it. They barge inside the house. Turn me around and put handcuffs on me," recalls Rivas.

The woman has worked as a seamstress for 40 plus years and was in her sewing room when she heard the ruckus.

Moments later the 5 foot 2 inches woman says she was grabbed by a 6 foot tall officer, twice her size, without warning.

"They weren’t talking just grabbed my arm like animal and they twist and twist. I say stop you'll break my arm. I'm diabetic and old person and you break my bones," said Tundo.

"She doesn’t deserve it. If you coming for me, pull me outside. Be professional take me. Bring her outside. Let her know what's going on. No! It was like a crazy movie,” said Rivas

Now Tundo has a broken hand and will likely be in a cast for weeks. She is terrified.

"You can't trust nobody. I feel so upset. I don't deserve this. I always was a good person all my life. I don't know how I’m going to live. I can't work for a while. I don't know what to do,” said Tundo.

The family says they tried to file a complaint at a police station, but were only given a flyer and told to mail in their complaint.

Montgomery county police say anyone with a complaint can file it at any police station.

If you believe an officer is acting improperly, you can ask to have a supervisor sent to the scene at the time of the incident.

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The family says they tried to file a complaint at a police station, but were only given a flyer and told to mail in their complaint.

Montgomery county police say anyone with a complaint can file it at any police station.

If you believe an officer is acting improperly, you can ask to have a supervisor sent to the scene at the time of the incident.

Laughing Man posted:

Oh yea you can't even trust our officers to let you file a brutality complaint, but ask for a super visor and they'll call one no problem!

Macintyre posted:

Are there any police departments that aren't horribly corrupt anymore?

No Butt Stuff posted:

Caro, you're seriously out there man. Your life is like the sequel to Enemy of the State.

Otik posted:

Are American police really as bad as these threads make out, or is it just that America's a huge country with a few bad apples?

Does your media demand sensationalism to the extent that stories reported are told solely from exaggerated accounts from (what can sometimes only dubiously be called) victims?

While we have stories about the police loving up over here in the UK, it usually just comes down to incompetence - as opposed to the malice that the stories from America seem to paint.


N.B. I am not a "police apologist" or whatever I'll be called for asking this, I'm just amazed at the disparity I see between the UK and US on this. I'm also not saying the woman in this case deserved what she got, but I will still reserve judgement until I hear more than just her testimony.

Otik posted:

or is it just that America's a huge country with a few bad apples?

Otik posted:

Are American police really as bad as these threads make out, or is it just that America's a huge country with a few bad apples?

Forest Fuckery posted:

And what was it that the few bad apples do?

Otik posted:

Are American police really as bad as these threads make out, or is it just that America's a huge country with a few bad apples?

Does your media demand sensationalism to the extent that stories reported are told solely from exaggerated accounts from (what can sometimes only dubiously be called) victims?

While we have stories about the police loving up over here in the UK, it usually just comes down to incompetence - as opposed to the malice that the stories from America seem to paint.


N.B. I am not a "police apologist" or whatever I'll be called for asking this, I'm just amazed at the disparity I see between the UK and US on this. I'm also not saying the woman in this case deserved what she got, but I will still reserve judgement until I hear more than just her testimony.

Forest Fuckery posted:

And what was it that the few bad apples do?

Caro Ascendant posted:

More like 'enemy of the criminal organization that has managed to subvert resources away from the lawful government of the united states of america' but kinda. Not by choice. It's actually quite horrible.


Clandestine activities aside they have straight up booted in my door twice. Yes, yes they are. The threads are actually somewhat understated. They're far more concerned with the management of crime than they are with actually stopping it. I'm sure that there are good police out there but there is also this large cancerous polyp that you really can't ignore.

Otik posted:

Are American police really as bad as these threads make out, or is it just that America's a huge country with a few bad apples?

LFoD posted:

Moments later the 5 foot 2 inches woman says she was grabbed by a 6 foot tall officer, twice her size, without warning.

Otik posted:

Are American police really as bad as these threads make out, or is it just that America's a huge country with a few bad apples?

Does your media demand sensationalism to the extent that stories reported are told solely from exaggerated accounts from (what can sometimes only dubiously be called) victims?

While we have stories about the police loving up over here in the UK, it usually just comes down to incompetence - as opposed to the malice that the stories from America seem to paint.


N.B. I am not a "police apologist" or whatever I'll be called for asking this, I'm just amazed at the disparity I see between the UK and US on this. I'm also not saying the woman in this case deserved what she got, but I will still reserve judgement until I hear more than just her testimony.

Otik posted:

Talking about clandestine activities, sending a plain clothes police office posing as someone else seems like a reasonable way of verifying that someone who may not want to speak to the police is in a house to me.

I find the idea that police are constantly slipping drugs into people's pockets just so they can put them in jail unlikely too. It may have happened, but only rarely, surely?

Why did they kick in your door? They must have received a warrant from a judge for that, right? If the evidence they provided to the judge wasn't strong enough, then maybe the problem is with the judiciary.

As for crime management, it seems like a far more sensible approach to policing than a reactive approach. People complain about CCTV in the UK, but isn't that better than living somewhere with "constant" no-knock entries and drugs being planted on suspects?

dogs named Charlie posted:

Dammit Caro if the police wanted you dead they would just shoot you and plant heroin on your body.

swampland posted:

Now that's just bad math.

Caro Ascendant posted:

No. Police officers are also fond of posing as cab drivers and other utility workers. Also food delivery guys. They are not above using these opportunities to plant poo poo. Be very wary or you may fall victim. If you do your laundry outside of your own home make certain that you check every pocket before transporting it back home. Slipping something in with your wash so they can action it later is another old trick. I've successfully intercepted one attempt at this in Austin, TX on August 27, 2005.

Why the gently caress did my life go all Terminator: Salvation on me? Sigh. I will have a complete briefing series ready eventually. It's one of my strategic objectives.

Dr_Amazing posted:

I want to hear the rest of this story.

dogs named Charlie posted:

Woof

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Moments later the 5 foot 2 inches woman says she was grabbed by a 6 foot tall officer, twice her size, without warning.

And My Fax! posted:

Also caro please seek help, what possible reason could the police have for killing you specifically or harassing you in general? Why YOU? Seems to me that they would have better/less risky ways of spending their time.

LFoD posted:

tell me where to buy shrubberies old lady or i shall knee you second time!

And My Fax! posted:

Otik posted:

Twice her size by weight/volume is a reasonable possibility at those heights.

Caro Ascendant posted:

Please read the post history of my other account 'Caro'. You're absolutely right. I need to prepare a complete timeline document.

frozenpeas posted:

Everyone read Caro's post history and realise he's actually a paranoid schizophrenic, then we can get back to some good old fashioned outrage.

http://forums.somethingawful.com/sh...hreadid=3318516

Caro Ascendant posted:

Crap. Thread jamming detected. Sorry guys. I'll do my best. I think I have a good grasp of most of their sneakier bullshit.

thpook posted:

If you're not a little old lady with a broken arm, this thread ain't really about you man.

Otik posted:

EDIT: I interpret "bad apples spoiling the barrel" to mean that the bad apples ruin the barrel as a whole, though the other apples in the barrel aren't necessarily compromised.

Ashenai posted:

When a police department conspires to cover up or whitewash crimes committed by a single "bad apple," that makes every single cop in that department corrupt. Because every one of them could and should have spoken out, and none of them did.

thpook posted:

If you're not a little old lady with a broken arm, this thread ain't really about you man.