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Rip pizza-delivering necromancer story. Unless that's back on the schedule. Supposedly the new Firefight cover art and release date (and updated cover art for Steelheart) are being announced on Monday, so that's neat.
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Apr 18, 2014 02:21
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A big thing people forget when they want GRRM style deaths everywhere is that GRRM is writing a different kind of story. Things like Wheel of Time, those characters have plot armor because they ARE the plot. Rand can't die before the Last Battle otherwise there IS no Last Battle. Those characters are archetypes more than individuals, and they have a part to play in a big dance. Sanderson's characters often fit that role as well. Stormlight may well be different in the end, but right now these people ARE the plot. Multiple Sanderson book spoilers: Szeth's resurrection was less a cheapening of his death, and more a display of the power and lengths the "fallen" Heralds will go to to enact whatever their plan is. Jasnah's "death" was so blatantly not an actual death that I'm surprised some of you fell for it. Sanderson doesn't do off-camera main character deaths. Kelsier was stabbed in plain sight. Vin died on camera. Elend died on camera. Elend's father, half brother, the Lord Ruler. All unambiguously dead. Jasnah was stabbed once on-camera, then her body was gone when everyone got distracted. Coupled with repeatedly hammering home that stormlight heals even shardblade wounds, it should not have been surprising. I was surprised that she popped back up, but only because I'd basically forgotten about her at that point, but when I read her name, I understood that it wasn't a cheat. Remember, the one thing Sanderson does best is follow his own rules for magic.
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Apr 18, 2014 07:34
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If you wonder how a character death can be meaningful with stormlight healing and regrowth, bear in mind that we haven't yet seen a Voidbringer or any sort of voidbinding. We haven't even seen the destruction surge in action. Even soulcasting someone into fire like Jasnah did is still a messy and irreversible death. My point is, characters can still be killed. In my opinion a stormform Parshendi might be a voidbringer, but there is worse to come.
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Apr 18, 2014 09:15
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Lobsterpillar posted:If you wonder how a character death can be meaningful with stormlight healing and regrowth, bear in mind that we haven't yet seen a Voidbringer or any sort of voidbinding. We haven't even seen the destruction surge in action. Even soulcasting someone into fire like Jasnah did is still a messy and irreversible death. My point is, characters can still be killed. In my opinion a stormform Parshendi might be a voidbringer, but there is worse to come. There's no way those are the final badass voidbringers. Stormform, unless I'm wildly misremembering my 1 read through, still retained some form of morality. Eshonai wasn't 100% cool with what was going to happen, but there was enough voidbinger in her to let it go. I expect the full on voidbringers to be something that requires Radiants to take down. Likely Odium versions of Radiants, with either the same surges, or opposite but complimentary ones. If they were the final voidbringer form, there's no real escalation in threat for the remaining 8 books.
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Apr 18, 2014 12:21
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Kruller posted:There's no way those are the final badass voidbringers. Stormform, unless I'm wildly misremembering my 1 read through, still retained some form of morality. Eshonai wasn't 100% cool with what was going to happen, but there was enough voidbinger in her to let it go. I expect the full on voidbringers to be something that requires Radiants to take down. Likely Odium versions of Radiants, with either the same surges, or opposite but complimentary ones. If they were the final voidbringer form, there's no real escalation in threat for the remaining 8 books. I'm not even wholly sure Odium is the Big Bad. Since when did Sanderson ever make things that easy? It would be like if the Lord Ruler in Mistborn actually was the ultimate Big Bad. It came too early and it's just too obvious. Probably gonna turn out that Odium himself got shattered too and Cultivation chess-mastered everything for *shocking reasons*.
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Apr 18, 2014 14:09
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Xachariah posted:I'm not even wholly sure Odium is the Big Bad. Since when did Sanderson ever make things that easy? It would be like if the Lord Ruler in Mistborn actually was the ultimate Big Bad. It came too early and it's just too obvious. Probably gonna turn out that Odium himself got shattered too and Cultivation chess-mastered everything for *shocking reasons*. That's possible, but Stormlight Archives seems more like WoT where the big bad is known for the entire series and the main characters deal with minibosses up until the end. But since there seems to be a time gap between the events of book 5 and book 6, I can see Some Serious poo poo happening to change the complexion of the series at the end of book 5.
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Apr 18, 2014 15:47
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Xachariah posted:I'm not even wholly sure Odium is the Big Bad. Since when did Sanderson ever make things that easy? It would be like if the Lord Ruler in Mistborn actually was the ultimate Big Bad. It came too early and it's just too obvious. Probably gonna turn out that Odium himself got shattered too and Cultivation chess-mastered everything for *shocking reasons*. I'm pretty sure it's exactly as it seems. Anything else is going to be a twist for the sake of a twist, I think. Re-reading Words of Radiance (after re-reading Way of Kings). Got to the avalanche last night and stopped myself, now I'm a bit twitchy. Lot of things I picked up on the second time around I missed the first time around. Dallinar and Elohokar being radiants is very hinted at. And it's really annoying that nobody seems to pick up on anyone else being a radiant. Kaladin and Shallan are both told that there are others out there, and they both think they saved the other. Also spending some time trying to pick out Shallan's Truths. Think I found at least one: quote:"I seek the truth," Shallan said. "Whatever it may be, whoever may hold it. That's who I am."
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So this happened: I was just at the bookstore with my brother and I bought Steelheart, Elantris, Warbreaker, and The Goblin Emperor. I noticed that the Mistborn covers they had are more interesting than the ones just of Vin flying.
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Apr 18, 2014 21:35
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Never read any Sanderson, decided to just read through from the start. I just finished Elantris today. I was skeptical about whether I should read it or just skip to Mistborn, considering people say it's a bit rougher. I didn't want to sour myself on his weakest work, but I'm glad I read it. It was by no means a 5 Star book, but it was a fast read, and had enough interesting stuff to make me glad I read it. Sure, 2 out of 3 of the characters basically start as super awesome amazing people and never change, and 2/3 of the supporting characters have some late-novel revelation about their past which became a bit tired after a while, and the frantic pace of the end of the book really was a little too drawn out (the quick shifting POV's went on a little too long, it got a bit dizzying by the end) but there were some genuinely cool ideas regarding Elantris itself. Also, I really liked Galladon a lot. Also Hrathen, considering he was the only dude that really grew and learned anything about himself. I have to say, my favorite part of the book was probably when Galladon was reflecting on how Raoden had "cursed" him with optimism, that he found he could not shake away even in this grimmest of times with Raoden seemingly dead as he carried him to the mountain pool, no matter what his rational pessimistic mind told him. The image of his hope as a rat scurrying away in the corner that he tried to grab onto was great, and it was actually really affecting seeing how Raoden had changed him. That was probably the best written part of the book for me, and it was only a little page and half interlude during the end shitstorm. Damo fucked around with this message at 04:24 on Apr 23, 2014 |
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Apr 23, 2014 01:14
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Damo posted:That was probably the best written part of the book for me, and it was only a little page and half interlude during the end shitstorm. It's between that and Hrathen's deal for me.
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Apr 23, 2014 02:43
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I just finished the stormlight archives. I find the amount of resurrection bullshit and I totally expected what happened to Kaladin at the end although I really hoped he'd just stay as an unpowered 'could have had it all, but you had to gently caress it up' guy, I knew he'd get his spren back and at least went for the hope that he would hate himself once he became a lighteyes, and yep at least he hates himself now. He's just a little too much of a gary stu to me. Also the bit where the other people who are dead get resurrected. Really? really? ok, so if anyone dies in the future I won't be worried. Clearly sadeas is coming back from the dead later. It just reads a little too much like... well-written fanfic.
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Apr 26, 2014 09:01
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redreader posted:I just finished the stormlight archives. I find the amount of resurrection bullshit and I totally expected what happened to Kaladin at the end although I really hoped he'd just stay as an unpowered 'could have had it all, but you had to gently caress it up' guy, I knew he'd get his spren back and at least went for the hope that he would hate himself once he became a lighteyes, and yep at least he hates himself now. He's just a little too much of a gary stu to me. Also the bit where the other people who are dead get resurrected. Really? really? ok, so if anyone dies in the future I won't be worried. Clearly sadeas is coming back from the dead later. It just reads a little too much like... well-written fanfic. I think someone in the thread claimed that Sanderson said that Sadeas can't come back because Adolin stabbed him in the brain. Jasnah never died in the first place. It's mostly just Szeth, there was no reason for Sanderson to kill Szeth just to bring him back right after, he should have just been incapacitated. Unless he wanted to show off how powerful Stormlight fabrials can be or something? Man I can't believe you wanted Kaladin to be permanently unpowered, that's just depressing. Why do some people want so much depression porn these days with things like First Law and Game of Thrones?
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Apr 26, 2014 16:30
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I don't know about everyone else, but I love Sanderson's "Have your cake and eat it too" writing. I already have plenty of other fantasy series that kill of characters I like to be edgy/realistic/whatever. Fact is, it's loving fantasy and I like to read happy fantasy sometimes. Sanderson fits that writing role for me. To each his own though, I can see where it would bother some people, but I just take it for what it is. Happy fantasy.
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Yarrbossa posted:I don't know about everyone else, but I love Sanderson's "Have your cake and eat it too" writing. I already have plenty of other fantasy series that kill of characters I like to be edgy/realistic/whatever. Fact is, it's loving fantasy and I like to read happy fantasy sometimes. Sanderson fits that writing role for me. No one's saying everyone has to die. What everyone is saying is that everyone who "dies" suddenly coming back to life is rubbish. You're right, we don't have to have characters dying left right and center, but Sanderson has pretend killed Jasnah, Eshonai and Szeth and it just sucks the dramatic tension out of anyone dying in the future. Szeth's case is clearly the worst, with him dying them coming back to life a chapter later. He shouldn't have even died in the first place if that was going to happen and he would get revived with deus ex machina. It's something Sanderson himself agrees with.
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Apr 26, 2014 19:30
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Who cares, stop making GBS threads up this thread with the same stupid argument over and over.
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Apr 26, 2014 19:46
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I agree, i would much rather be discussing how I don't find Sanderson's funny characters to be especially funny. Also Anime,
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Wait wait wait, literally anyone thinks that we were supposed to think that Eshonai was supposed to have died? Was this your first book or something? I'm pretty sure there are laws against killing off a major villain with severe turnabout potential, before examining them in any real way, let alone one in literal magic power armor. Edit: also I just reread warbreaker with the annotations (they're baked into the Kindle edition now!) and you all were right:Lightsong is the best character! egg tats fucked around with this message at 20:16 on Apr 26, 2014 |
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Apr 26, 2014 20:13
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senae posted:Wait wait wait, literally anyone thinks that we were supposed to think that Eshonai was supposed to have died? Clearly not dead. Just 'out of the game for a bit'
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Apr 26, 2014 20:19
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I'd be kind of amazed if anyone actually believed that Eshonai is dead. Sanderson had Renarin literally jump off a building over and over with his shardplate training not that long before. She also has storm-form under that and has god knows what else powers. I think its just reaching to make Sanderson's resurrection problem seem worse than it is. Szeth was the mistake and Sanderson acknowledged it as such.
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Xachariah posted:I'd be kind of amazed if anyone actually believed that Eshonai is dead. Sanderson had Renarin literally jump off a building over and over with his shardplate training not that long before. She also has storm-form under that and has god knows what else powers. I think its just reaching to make Sanderson's resurrection problem seem worse than it is. Szeth was the mistake and Sanderson acknowledged it as such. Yeah. Mind you, Renarin was jumping off a not very tall building, and the fight with Eshonai was deep in the shattered plains where the chasms are much deeper. But still, I never thought she was dead.
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Apr 26, 2014 22:08
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Lobsterpillar posted:Yeah. Mind you, Renarin was jumping off a not very tall building, and the fight with Eshonai was deep in the shattered plains where the chasms are much deeper. But still, I never thought she was dead. Especially since she gazed down that chasm earlier in the book and thought to herself "I could totally survive that"
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Apr 26, 2014 22:11
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But with the highstorm and everstorm there wouldn't drowning be a serious concern?
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Grouchy Fish posted:But with the highstorm and everstorm there wouldn't drowning be a serious concern? It's in the middle of storm so she could have taken a new form like surf form and ride her shard blade to safety.
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Apr 26, 2014 23:43
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Luminaflare posted:It's in the middle of storm so she could have taken a new form like surf form and ride her shard blade to safety. Thats an interesting idea, like as a survival thing she unconsciously takes a different form where she manages to shake off the evil spren and it allows her to survive somehow.
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redreader posted:I just finished the stormlight archives. I find the amount of resurrection bullshit and I totally expected what happened to Kaladin at the end although I really hoped he'd just stay as an unpowered 'could have had it all, but you had to gently caress it up' guy, I knew he'd get his spren back and at least went for the hope that he would hate himself once he became a lighteyes, and yep at least he hates himself now. He's just a little too much of a gary stu to me. Also the bit where the other people who are dead get resurrected. Really? really? ok, so if anyone dies in the future I won't be worried. Clearly sadeas is coming back from the dead later. It just reads a little too much like... well-written fanfic. Sanderson is pretty fan-fic. It sucks but us fantasy nerds need something right? He's not bad but his stories read of a teenager writing the same. His writing is just so.. immature? Maybe it's him being a mormon, I dunno.
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It never once crossed my mind that Eshonai died because Kaladin and Shallan both survived a fall from roughly the same height with a small amount of stormlight but no magic stormlight armor. It also crossed my mind that Sanderson is the Jimmy Fallon of fantasy. He cornered the market on being earnest and positive about things instead of going the GRRM cynical route.
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Apr 27, 2014 02:53
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Democratic Pirate posted:It never once crossed my mind that Eshonai died because Kaladin and Shallan both survived a fall from roughly the same height with a small amount of stormlight but no magic stormlight armor. No, he got loving lucky that a legend died and Jordan's wife picked him to finish WOT.
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Apr 27, 2014 02:58
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When I though about it for more than a second it makes sense that Eshonai is alive but it seems to me that she gave herself completely over to stormform so it's hard to see what kind of turnorver there could be, unless she's gonna be a straight up villain.
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Fair to Midland posted:No, he got loving lucky that a legend died and Jordan's wife picked him to finish WOT. He was already a published author before then, he finished and published Elantris and the Mistborn Trilogy before 2008 and was writing Stormlight Archive when he was asked to finish Wheel of Time. He did the first one in 2010 and it was published only a few months apart from Stormlight Archive 1. It's not like Jordan's wife picked a random stranger on the street and his books have been inexplicably popular merely since he concluded another popular series. Xachariah fucked around with this message at 03:42 on Apr 27, 2014 |
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Apr 27, 2014 03:38
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Fair to Midland posted:No, he got loving lucky that a legend died and Jordan's wife picked him to finish WOT. Sorry but, this is a load of horseshit and you are going to get called out on it. Sanderson has to stop writing on several books for a while to finish that trilogy. He had already published a ton of books and was a respected author who Jordan's wife obviously knew about and chose because of his publication history, it's not like she just chose some guy off the side of the street. Keep that bullshit out of the thread.
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Xachariah posted:Thats an interesting idea, like as a survival thing she unconsciously takes a different form where she manages to shake off the evil spren and it allows her to survive somehow.
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WoR spoilers: Eshonai was so blatantly not dead that anyone who thinks she was clearly wasn't paying attention. Jasnah also falls in to this category. No body, stab wound to the heart, fully drained spheres in the room, and the REPEATED hammering on the "stormlight heals incredibly grievous wounds" note. Szeth is the only one who was actually resurrected, and has been noted several times over, Sanderson admitted he made a mistake with how that played out. There are not repeated and constant resurrections in this book. There is one. A single resurrection of a main antagonist by another main antagonist that shows that one of them has more story to tell, and shows that the other one has far more power than we knew.
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So I just thought of the most :Sanderson: possible scene, do we know what happens to a spren when the parshendi merge with them? I'm imagining a point in one of the later books, where Kaladin is separated from syl somehow, and shen takes on honorform with syl to mount a rescue mission 
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Kruller posted:WoR spoilers: Eshonai was so blatantly not dead that anyone who thinks she was clearly wasn't paying attention. Jasnah also falls in to this category. No body, stab wound to the heart, fully drained spheres in the room, and the REPEATED hammering on the "stormlight heals incredibly grievous wounds" note. Szeth is the only one who was actually resurrected, and has been noted several times over, Sanderson admitted he made a mistake with how that played out. Jasnah got stabbed through the heart, pinning her to a plank on a sinking ship. It's not totally unreasonable to assume she died. That said I could easily let that slide if it weren't for the fact that 10 pages before she pops out of a wormhole back into the realm of the living a main character who is essentially decapitated is resurrected. It was lazy and stupid and I don't see why we have to argue about it anymore. Obviously Eshonai wasn't dead but even allowing a character to have that assumption coupled with the two other resurrections is pretty stupid. Comparing Sanderson to Jimmy Fallon is possibly the meanest thing I've ever heard. The man isn't Shakespeare but have a heart.
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Good loving lord how many times do you have to read WoR a series that features resurrection explicitly in the prologue in the first book and miss "hey maybe he's going to explore themes of death, rebirth, and renewal in these here books" and complain about a main POV character dying and coming back from the dead? Szeth's epilogue is a structural problem, not a plot problem. VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE fucked around with this message at 16:13 on Apr 27, 2014 |
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Apr 27, 2014 16:10
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The Puppy Bowl posted:Comparing Sanderson to Jimmy Fallon is possibly the meanest thing I've ever heard. The man isn't Shakespeare but have a heart. Your opinion on Fallon may vary, and I don't keep up with his show. I just know that Fallon's show always spits out lighthearted and fun YouTube bits where everything is wonderful and happy, which is usually the vibe you get from Sanderson books in the end.
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WoR: Szeth coming back right after dying isn't great, but not dying at all has its own problems. He can't really start his job working for the pedantically lawful villain by abandoning his Truthless-ness, even if he was right. Dying and coming back gets him out of it while technically not breaking any of his people's rules.
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Foxfire_ posted:WoR: Szeth coming back right after dying isn't great, but not dying at all has its own problems. He can't really start his job working for the pedantically lawful villain by abandoning his Truthless-ness, even if he was right. Dying and coming back gets him out of it while technically not breaking any of his people's rules. E: Unless your objection is the fact that people can be brought back from certainly-fatal wounds, which is still silly but what fantasy isn't?
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Kraps posted:When I though about it for more than a second it makes sense that Eshonai is alive but it seems to me that she gave herself completely over to stormform so it's hard to see what kind of turnorver there could be, unless she's gonna be a straight up villain. quote:I'm imagining a point in one of the later books, where Kaladin is separated from syl somehow, and shen takes on honorform with syl to mount a rescue mission
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