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Honestly I solidly enjoyed pretty much all the characters in books 1 and 2. I had a tough time getting into Kaladin's arc in the first book and a half, but he won me over and I really enjoyed his chapters by Oathbringer. I dug Shallan's whole mysterious backstory thing in the first books and I found myself looking forward to her chapters (probably just looking for Jasnah to come into play more). But drat I just hated her chapters in Oathbringer. Don't let me warm up to a character only to throw new characters at me who happen to be worse versions of the same character who are also now I guess the same character only I hate this I hate this. Oathbringer is not Sanderson's best book by any stretch of the imagination but it had a pile to keep me reading beyond those miserable chapters. Dalinar is such a mary-sue treat of a character and damned if I don't like Adolin/Jasnah/Kaladin at this point but I really hope he figures out where to go with Shallan's character because I do not want to just keep hating her chapters. Also if anyone was wondering about further nerd bullshit, at the signing I went to, I tried to steal out some book info by appealing to Brandon's love of Magic the Gathering. I learned Dalinar started as a Mono-red aggro deck and is turning into a mono-white control deck. Jasnah is straight U/B with hints of odyssey era Tog decks. He's not sure if Shallan is mono-blue, he hasn't thought about her in a deck archetype sense much but suggested she might be blue/white down the road. Kaladin is rocking white weenie and Lift is G/W leaning way heavier towards green, more a splash of white at most. The guy loves his MTG and was wearing a Dimir shirt at the signing so regardless of book quality I'll keep supporting him because he is wonderfully nice man and a charming conversationalist.
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At a minimum I'd recommend reading Edgedancer just to set up the whole Skybreaker thing and to introduce some crazy SHAPESHIFTING BUG PEOPLE. Even if you can't stand Lift it does have some solid worldbuilding in it.
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I actually I figured their spren equivalents were Atium and Lerasium.
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One thing I've been curious about is whether or not a Drab on Nalthis is just a regular person on most other cosmere planets? I assume so as the whole basis of the magic system there is based on Endowment, so I assume the breath is a type of built in "upgrade" on the average cosmere human who happens to be born on Nalthis. It seems more like Breath is a just generic buff to every aspect of a person, so I figure a Drab feels lesser simply because they go from the 150% they usually run on with a Breath, into a regular 100% while lacking it.
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Apr 29, 2020 04:59
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Apparently I am full bore Truthwatcher, not what I expected but drat if I don't want to see more of what Progression can do.
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Jun 12, 2020 23:07
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Yeah as much as it's a standalone book The Emperor's Soul does really dive into some cosmere mechanics pretty heavy. You don't really notice it unless you're looking for it but the statements it makes about Identity and what not, do play into the cosmere quite a bit.
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That's one of the tough ones when it comes to cross system fighting, you have to think about things like how Susebron uses his Breaths in Warbringer. that is going to be a BRUTE fight and you have to realize that his abilities are something Vasher could comfortably do back in the day. No vocal command control over any localized objects is a BRUTALLY powerful ability and Vasher might be able to drain Stormlight to power it. That is not an easy fight for anyone, even ignoring that he is essentially immortal; I think Kelsier loses flat out every time.
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Sab669 posted:Are you trying to suggest this is a bad movie It doesn't matter how one feels about Kevin Smith but his story about Superman and Wild Wild West is a killer story, we need a John Peters produced W&W
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The pinnacle of modern cinema
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Well poo poo, that sums up that character for me perfectly.
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I will say that reading Oathbringer after having sat with the previous books I feel comfortable saying Oathbringer was one of my all time favorite fantasy novels. It doesn't work just loose from context but drat it blows so many other fantasy novels out of the water.
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I'll check it out, thanks for the suggestion! I've been on a Zelazny kick lately and everyone tells me I need to read Red Rising but Dan Simmons is going on the list.
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Elantris is not a great book but it has some great characters/ideas. I hold Hrathen as being a perfect example of what makes Sanderson a solid writer, as over the top as his stuff can be I think that character comes out wonderfully and makes the read worth it.
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Aug 31, 2022 05:31
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AlternateNu posted:I'm just about to finish Words of Radiance. I have two novellas to read before cracking Oathbringer? You definitely don't need to read Warbringer, however it is a fun book and you can spot some interesting stuff in the Stormlight books if you read it. Edgedancer is worth reading but not NECESSARY, I just think it really helps in explaining the world as it stands post Words.
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I got into Sanderson entirely through Mistborn which I think I read about on this very forum. It hit me like a truck. I worked in libraries for sooooooooo long and I grew to hate most of what people label YA/Fantasy books; they were generally pornish stuff. I read Mistborn and just flipped on finally having a book I liked on the shelf. On top of that it was a book that I could start recommending to any kids coming through the section. Finally I heard he had an entire library of books and damned if I haven't been reading him since. I've met him 3 times and he has always been an exceptionally kind person with the sweetest drat kids you could imagine. So if I could suggest anything for anyone coming fresh in to Sanderson and his works, read Mistborn. I know most of us have certainly read it already but any newcomers should just run through Mistborn. I will say his favorite color combo is U/B and he said he wrote Jasnah as a Dimir character on purpose.
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AlternateNu posted:I'd play a U/R Shallan deck. Also Dalinar went from Rakdos to MonoRed to Monowhite through his arc, he also views Kaladin as Boros.
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AlternateNu posted:I just finished Words of Radiance, and I would say Dalinar is probably W/g or maybe Bant at this point. There’s a big aspect of unity attached to his actions right now. I was with you but straight out of Brandon's mouth Mono White Dalinar. All about that unity in the buff up my troops way.
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Oh yeah Odium is Boros, forgot that.
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I feel like you can describe a violent revolutionary who has been broken and then turns to violently and finally breaking others without using terms like Sociopath/Psychopath. I think people are capable of just "snapping" without possessing a particular disorder from birth/youth.
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M_Gargantua posted:So Stormlight spoilers in response Odium inspires Passion in people, he revels in it, the Listeners speak of the passions, the chapter where Dalinar first meets Rayse is called Passion. (Theoretically) Rayse doesn't hold the shard of divine hatred, he has the shard of divine Passion, and his own personality and goals at the moment of accention turned it into Odium. I can imagine the divine wrath Adonolsium would maybe consider as they were shattered which Rayse would have used to fuel his transformation into a Shard with the intention of being the one surviving after killing the rest. More Spoilers in a WoB sense. Brandon has said that Rayse "says" he's the shard of Passion but he truly is the Odious shard. He had just possessed the power so long that he deluded himself into thinking that his passion was anything other than hate and distaste but by the end the power was just using him. I have a feeling Taravodioum will channel his Odious nature into "order" but he is still and will always be the shard of Odium. For myself, I like how words and feelings in the novels can be twisted. Someone thinking something about their power is completely different from how the power actually works.
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There is at least a difference between how they are each created. The Heralds and the Fused all retain the same consciousness because they were directly powered by a Shard but they seem warped in their own way. Kelsier was, for a bit, actually the Shard Preservation. He was a Vessel, just like the Lord Ruler or Ati or whatnot. Endowment seems to do her revival thing with the specific sticking point being that she wipes their memories. I figure Vasher is kinda like the fused in that he has been hosed with by a shard but instead of just keeping them angry and crazy like the fused or bound and shackled like the heralds Vasher is endowed with a new memory to serve Endowments purpose. Kelsier WAS a portion of god as you can kinda see when the Lord Ruler dies and pops up Cognitive like he was in life and just goes I'm done. Both of them have a bit more mojo in the soul than Vasher. They remain themselves because at one point they were way more than just a Cognitive Shadow. There is also Threnody which is it's own thing. I would love to see Awakened Silver. drat it, thinking more about it Kelsier also bathed in the Well of Ascension before Ascending which probably helped quite a bit as well. He literally bathed and was suffused at different times by the essence of Ruin and Preservation and then ascended to become the concept of Preservation. I'd be stunned if he could go Beyond at this point. TGG fucked around with this message at 06:28 on Nov 10, 2022 |
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I hold Le Guin and Zelazny in pretty similar spots myself.
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It's such a good drat good book series that I nigh on got chills reading that, for all his faults Sanderson makes you want to find out what is going on. It pretty much always pays off.
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For myself I finished Malazan and was looking for another author with an expansive world to get into and somewhere on here I heard about Mistborn and it kinda went from there. I've got all the Stormlight Books signed by him, he is a super nice guy and a huge MTG nerd with the nicest kids and a solid writing style.
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May 16, 2023 23:25
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I love that the exact second you know what to look for his references become obvious as hell. It really improves the rereads of his series.
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I'm pretty sure the term Sanderlanche started around this point.
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Mordiceius posted:Yeah. Elend has more pure strength, but in a 1v1, Vin would annihilate him. I cannot at any point picture Elend pulling some crazy super smart Allomancy poo poo, the dude has never struck me as the super creative type, more just brute forcing his Allomancy and working more on his diplomatic/political poo poo.
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I'd have liked to see Elend being like THE soother/rioter in the realm, I always liked them as a couple with how their dynamic worked, though I'll admit to always liking the fighter/mediator dynamic in fictional relationships. I think the brutal constantly fighting the apocalypse aspect took a bit away from the possibilities with them as an Allomantic pair. Steris would be one hell of a Soother, that I can say for sure.
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I cannot in any fashion say that I'm a Hoid fan but I like him as the Stan Lee of the Cosmere. Fun to see, works as a character, can't say I always love the cameo but I love that it's there. Also Warbringer is loving great.
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The series took me about 150 pages to really settle in to, it has a ton going on but when it settles in to the plot it starts humming along making sense. Tons of terms, but they start working. On that note I'm not sure if many people are familiar with Runequest/Glorantha as a setting, but reading this last little bit about the aspects of Parsh slavery in the last couple pages really reminds me of the Morokanth in the area of Prax in that setting. They are part of a large group of tribes, all essentially humans with different totemic animals that they are one with. The Morokanth are one of these tribes, however they appear as sort of a Man/Tapir creature. Instead of herding Bison/Impala/Giraffes or whatnot, they "enslave" Herdmen. Herdmen look exactly like an average human but are not human beings. They are equivalent to any other herd animal and possess no further human traits outside of appearance. The Herdmen are traded just like any other animal and are frequently consumed by the average person looking for a meal in the desolate plains of Prax. Any rumors of the Morokanth (who are vegetarians!) having any sort bloody ritual to transform regular humans in to Herdmen is not worth paying attention to as the Morokanth will happily tell you. The spirits have given us the gift of our Herdmen and we treat them properly. When things get full of rumor/myth and maybe just a little bit of truth, poo poo gets tough to talk about from a "modern" point of view. TGG fucked around with this message at 08:10 on Jul 25, 2023 |
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For all of its faults, its many many faults, it does have one of Sanderson's best written characters. If the entire book solely followed him it would be a huge winner.
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Sanderson is one of the kings of foreshadowing, every one of those bits means quite a bit and it just slowly gets sensible as time goes on. It takes a bit but with context everything is pretty important/prophetic.
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I thought Aether's were the universalnanomachine-mecha equivalent? Also it pays off to stick with WoK, a ton of the fun of the books is how they shift book to book. If anything people seem to find the 4th book to have a little too much magic if anything.
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The fun bit about the Mistborn 2 books is that they get to explore what happens when things have gone through a huge change. Some of the words my be the same but they don't mean the same thing. It's a fun run and it's neat that Brandon seems to have plotted out so much in advance of what was supposed to be a one off book. Things are always explained in time.
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I always kinda had Wax/Wayne as just Timothy Olyphant/John Hawkes, straight out of Deadwood.
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Everyone loved Allatar and Pallando, especially Christopher Lee.
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Of all things I expected from the first four Stormlight books, Adolin being my favorite character was not one of them. I'm a straight dude and I totally get Shallan's SIGH, the dude is just great.
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Fezz posted:For non-problematic you could try the Dark is Rising books or the Prydain books. I remember loving those around that age. Along with the Hobbit, etc. The perfect suggestion right here, Dark is Rising and Prydain are fantastic for that age, understandable and deep without being overwhelming. Could even try Earthsea.
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It is such a beautiful and diverse series, the prose is stunning and every part of it gives off a feeling of what humanity can accomplish; even the darkness in the series has a light to be seen. It's never given, it takes hard work, trust and passion. It's an inspiring series in this rather dark time we seem to live in.
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Dawnshard is a pretty drat fun little story, worth a check post Oathbringer. Make sure and read Edgedancer first, not ESSENTIAL, but it has a fair bit of crossover.
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Louisgod posted:True, but also: Journey before Destination Holy poo poo, the dude did follow his Oaths! As a magic player he has to be a Truthwatcher, right? Ah gently caress he is a Willshaper isn't he. TGG fucked around with this message at 03:02 on Sep 22, 2023 |
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