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 The Open Space Movement is planning to begin operations within a month, and we intend to kick things off by providing a grant towards Copenhagen Suborbitals. You may remember them from this thread. For those wondering what the hell this is about, the OSM is a non-profit open-source style project that aims to get people involved with developing space access. We focus on public involvement, as that is the lynch pin to developing space. 'People' are the difference between "a global market for maybe 5 computers", and the billions of PC's, smartphones, and servers that make up the Internet. We bought the Internet. We are personally responsible for driving the demand for the state of the art, and paying for it simultaneously. We can do the same for space access. If you consider that we are currently spending more on cell phones in one year, than the Apollo program did in a decade, it stands to reason that an organized public space venture could steamroll over the cumulative achievements in manned spaceflight to date. Some of you may have reservations, which are completely understandable. The concept of "space travel" is essentially synonymous with "ten years from now", or "maybe our grandchildren will go", or "only the government or a big corporation could afford it". Well, screw that! As long as space remains a spectator sport, the only thing we can do is watch and wait. If space is ever settled, it will be settled by the impatient. The quickest and most cost-effective plan is nothing short of full-scale colonization of our solar system. Without going into too many details here, this would most likely involve the development of mining and manufacturing, industrial infrastructure, and the construction of habitation and agricultural structures. Rather than focusing upon a single aspect such as exploration, science, commercial development, tourism, or energy systems - a sufficiently large movement would allow all of those to happen simultaneously, and to a much greater magnitude. The ONLY entity with enough brainpower, monetary resources, and motivation to carry this out would be the public itself. And that's where the OSM comes in.
So without further ado, I will say that the OSM site should be ready by the end of August, and we hope to launch around the same time Copenhagen Suborbitals launches their Tycho Brahe / HEAT-1X test. This modest grant of about 5000$ will help to establish the OSM's track record, keep the Copenhagen Suborbitals team working on their next project, and generate some publicity for both of our organizations. Not to mention, the proposed amount of 5000$ is roughly equal to the cost of the propellants that the HEAT-1X rocket will consume. The OSM plans to provide similar grants to other organizations in the future, but for now, Copenhagen Suborbitals is our first customer. So far, we've raised about Kristian von Bengtson posted:Dear Jason, The HEAT-1X test planned for the end of August will test the rocket motor (which is a rubber-like polyurethane derivative), and the flight characteristics + recovery procedure of the Tycho Brahe crew capsule.    (thanks to frumpykvetchbot for these pictures) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YX-WzUMGZI If you want to help out, we have a donation link here. There is an OSM facebook page if you want to follow our development status. Here's one for Copenhagen Suborbitals as well.  ps. thanks toby, and thanks to everyone who's supported this. edit - update time: Updates on the HEAT-1X / Tycho Brahe assembly - launch window starts on Aug 30th.  update - http://openspacemovement.org is up with placeholder info. Site development is nearing completion. Shalrath fucked around with this message at Aug 23, 2010 around 13:47 |
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You know, you never got back to me on my solution to artificial gravity.
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The OSM badly needs a better website.
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Edit: ^^^ agreed Okay, few things. 1)How sure are you that these guys are legit? I mean take a couple of pictures from some science website and photoshop your 'logo' onto it and bam! Instant scam. They could make you think they're testing rockets, when they'll really just take the money and disappear. 2)This stuff will never, ever happen in our lifetime. People are too self-centered and greedy. This website and it's goal is awesome, it's a great way to get people interested in space again. But saying any of this is achievable now or even remotely soon is silly. It's a great goal, something we need to work towards. But its all a bit too 'we can go into space and live on other planets if we just join together!' is a bit well, silly.
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Bash Ironfist posted:Edit: ^^^ agreed Achievable, yes. Expensive as gently caress, yes. That's the wonder of this project. All we, as humans, need to do to assure our place in this universe is to leave home. All that it takes to get that started is a fraction of the GDP of the big 8. OSM's goal is to gather folks to raise the money, if you can fund the companies to build the rockets, they can put up satellites to fund further projects and eventually collaborate to start a small, yet possibly self sufficient habitat in earth orbit. That's just the beginning.
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Noreaus posted:The OSM badly needs a better website. There is osmdevel.org, but that's going to be deprecated pretty quickly when the new site comes online. Bash Ironfist posted:Okay, few things. 1) Pretty sure they're building rockets over there. There is a metric assload of pictures from Frumpy's thread. 2) There already are a bunch of people who want to go to space. However, their only means of "participation" is to circle jerk about space elevators, or play NASA cheerleader by writing tepid letters of impotent rage to their various congressional representatives, or changing their desktop background to some random APOD image. This will go nowhere. The OSM could change that though, by giving these people some work to do, and providing some much needed remedial-level education on space travel. Shalrath fucked around with this message at Aug 4, 2010 around 00:34 |
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Bash Ironfist posted:1)How sure are you that these guys are legit? I mean take a couple of pictures from some science website and photoshop your 'logo' onto it and bam! Instant scam. They could make you think they're testing rockets, when they'll really just take the money and disappear. If it's a scam it's a well supported one, a guy involved in CS posts a crap ton of images and content in GBS.
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Shalrath posted:There is osmdevel.org, but that's going to be deprecated pretty quickly when the new site comes online. Ah, I didn't realize they posted pictures of what they were doing on the forums. I'm just a negative outlook kind of guy. Space colonies would be awesome, but are we really even close to that level of technology? We have loving phones that are updated every year, but I can't remember the last time there was a breakthrough in say, heart condition monitoring devices.
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Bash Ironfist posted:Edit: ^^^ agreed I agree that it's easy to set up a scam, especially targeting a certain select interest group like space aficionados, which is why, if I had a penny to donate I would do so, but only after just a little cross-referencing this organization's reputation and credentials. Which I may try to do anyway when I get a free afternoon just to know and spread the word. I would do this because all other questions aside, the OP and spokesperson is right, commercial supply feeds public demand and if the public mindset were to change from "this stuff will never, ever happen in our lifetime" to "well maybe this can happen" we would see a demand for it. I want to go to orbit, everyone I know would if given the affordable opportunity. And the industries of aerospace, communications, research and other related fields would also be pretty happy with easy access to space. I don't think anyone's talking about going off to live on other planets, as much as a shift of the public attitude towards if this can really happen, and I support the idea that it can and should, and sooner than later. Saying space travel is silly is like saying looking for a new route to India was silly, or that trying to break the sound barrier was silly, or that the theory that little microbes cause disease was silly... Etc. As side note, long before I read about OSM I had this idea that open sourcing is going to change the world.
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Here have $50. Don't run off to
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Already donated to CSO in the last thread.  Keep up the good work guys I want space living by the time I die.
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I have no money but I've donated to CSO before and I support your dream 100%. Will follow the proceedings for sure.
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Banano posted:Here have $50.
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Does Copenhagen Suborbitals still plan to tow their sea launch platform with their submarine?
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Bash Ironfist posted:2)This stuff will never, ever happen in our lifetime. People are too self-centered and greedy. This website and its goal is awesome, it's a great way to get people interested in space again. But saying any of this is achievable now or even remotely soon is silly. It's a great goal, something we need to work towards. But it's all a bit too 'we can go into space and live on other planets if we just join together!' is a bit well, silly. Who do you think drives and feeds in most of the money in the planet's economy? Big companies and governments do not exist in a separate reality. They get, use and move around OUR money! It's all ours, the general public! If we want an easy method of travel, companies spring up that build and sell us cars and airplanes. If we want to communicate with each other no matter where we are, they will build and sell us cell phones and phone networks, computers and the Internet, even launch satellites to make it all work. If we, the general public, decide we want to take a vacation in Earth orbit, companies will build us the means to get there and have a blast. It is already starting to happen. From there, it gets increasingly natural to do other things - getting to orbit is by far the hardest part, in terms of required energy. Want to solve all natural resource issues (and get filthy rich)? Go mine some nearby asteroids. Need nearly unlimited energy? Beam down some solar power from space. Anything is possible. Look what we've done and how much we have paid just to make it easier to find porn or annoy friends with ringtones. We haven't even started with space - so far, only governments have invested in it and that investment has been a vanishingly small amount of the taxes. For an American, it's currently half a penny of each tax dollar. The returns? The Universe. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQhNZENMG1o <- I love this guy, listen to him. Just include and group space development in general in your mind with NASA in that video. Nothing drives the economy like space development. Ok, maybe war, but Open War Movement is the next thread over and we don't need those guys. Everything is up for grabs for those who dare to dream.
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So I figured I'd start an OSM project now, and get it all up when the site starts. Something that will make money... Like a Satellite. Or weapons... Ideas?
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Posting this again, just in case anyone is wondering why I'm starting the OSM.
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M_Gargantua posted:So I figured I'd start an OSM project now, and get it all up when the site starts. Adapt the Bigelow design to build a highly-automated movie studio in orbit.
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M_Gargantua posted:So I figured I'd start an OSM project now, and get it all up when the site starts. It's not entirely necessary to come up with a brilliant idea. Reviewing, or submitting ideas to other projects is also a good way to help. Also, even if someone has a bad idea - they'll still get to learn why it was a bad idea. There is a lot we all need to learn. The average person probably knows that a 747 passenger jet doesn't have an "underwater mode", or VTOL capability, and probably cant land on a runway shorter than a few miles. The same can't be said about their knowledge of space travel. Also.. probably don't want to come up with weapons ideas.
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Thanks OSM and all you lovely goons for supporting our space adventure.Curly Shuffle posted:Does Copenhagen Suborbitals still plan to tow their sea launch platform with their submarine? That's affirmative. Nautilus is looking pretty good and the sea-launch catamaran is looking sharp. They will sail together in some kind of towing harness with straps and ropes. We're still way under our target for funding, which may mean we have to cut back on the number of vessels in our recovery fleet. But we hope that we can scrape by through selling tourist dives on the submarine, and that funding will be easier once we demonstrate a succesful flight. Which we will, I feel certain. Everybody is happy and the many subsystems are all shaping up. Here are some highlights: - The replacement oxygen tank has been installed and looks good. However, we won't have time to test it in a rocket context before first flight. - Two of four fins have been attached to booster.  - Automatic sequencer systems for autonomously controlling ignition, pyros and parachutes are all done and tested.  - The parachute deployment system seems to work. - Telemetry and video downlink systems are done. - Command uplink system also done. Will let us (hopefully) abort midflight if necessary. This is going to be a busy month...
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What is the minimum donation to this cause? My company supports a NASA youth group, and we work with a lot of aerospace industry. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
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Keep it up, OSM. Projects like this give me hope for humanity. Carl Sagan would be proud.
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R-Type posted:What is the minimum donation to this cause? My company supports a NASA youth group, and we work with a lot of aerospace industry. Whatever you feel like. I really hate the vibe I get from the usual suspects, where they ask for 50 to 100 just for basic membership. 2$ is fine for the OSM. It all adds up. When you consider that half of a penny for every dollar you pay in taxes actually goes to NASA, that basically means you can easily spend more money on lunch in a week than you "spend" on NASA in a year.
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Noreaus posted:The OSM badly needs a better website. Some ideas are in the work. If you design feel free to jump in!  Click here for the full 1393x1236 image. Shal - Will have icons set up on a page like this sometime this week. Do you have a vector logo for the OSM? I need something larger or vectorized for some stuff I've got in mind.
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Trans-Angeles posted:Some ideas are in the work. If you design feel free to jump in! I emailed James about it. (he did the final version of the logo, but I only saw the png file) Also, now would be a good time to get that banner spiffed up. Any last minute changes you want to make? ps. More Moonypigs are in production.  MY EMPIRE GROWS! Shalrath fucked around with this message at Aug 4, 2010 around 05:11 |
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Could you give me a rundown of what ownership the OSS will have over the intellectual property it generates, and whether or not this body of work will be licensed through an Open Hardware/Software licences from the start?
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Shalrath posted:I emailed James about it. (he did the final version of the logo, but I only saw the png file) I'm not sure. I'll have a look and see if there's any quick changes to be made.
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Any idea when the full site will be up? Weeks? months?
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But if you did make it into space and found a way to start small scale colonisation of the solar system for mining and other purposes, the mean corporations and governments would declare you a terrorist organisation and steal all that infrastructure 
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JustAnother Fat Guy posted:But if you did make it into space and found a way to start small scale colonisation of the solar system for mining and other purposes, the mean corporations and governments would declare you a terrorist organisation and steal all that infrastructure So? Once your in space you have a massive advantage over any government or company. Greater resources, more room to maneuver, etc. Any move on their part to come up after you would be blatant.
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I found this great article today in the NY times: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/04/s...ace/04nasa.html quote:When a cooling-system pump on the International Space Station broke down over the weekend, NASA and the six astronauts on board responded with typical cool self-assurance. The space agency scheduled two spacewalks to repair the damage and said the astronauts, three Americans and three Russians, were in no danger. There's more in the article. However, what I really wanted to ask was if anyone has a higher resolution of the image included in the article, something wallpaper sized. Thanks! 
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OSM supporter checking in. Will be donating when I get a serious job offer. Keep the momentum going!
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Bash Ironfist posted:2)This stuff will never, ever happen in our lifetime. People are too self-centered and greedy. This website and it's goal is awesome, it's a great way to get people interested in space again. But saying any of this is achievable now or even remotely soon is silly. It's a great goal, something we need to work towards. But its all a bit too 'we can go into space and live on other planets if we just join together!' is a bit well, silly. The beauty of it is that greed will help at the end of the day. In every generation since the 60s, the collective imagination of the public has been sparked by manned space travel. So much so that people like Richard Gariott (who is a bit loopy in the first place) will spend the vast majority of their fortunes for a single trip up. People desperately want to do space tourism, and who wouldn't, freefall is the bomb. The problem is that there hasn't been any way for the average joe who is interested in space travel to do anything to make that closer to a reality for themselves in bite sized chunks.
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spcefrk posted:Any idea when the full site will be up? Weeks? months? The devs say that we should be able to have a beta ready in about 3 weeks. Hopefully we can iron all the bugs out quickly after we get that up and start hammering on it.
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M_Gargantua posted:So I figured I'd start an OSM project now, and get it all up when the site starts. Actually I had an idea about robots that would go out to the asteroid belt and push some big rear end rocks back to earth for mining purposes. It's not manned exploration but its a start, prove that there's resources out there and money to be made. I think I'm probably too lazy to start on it myself so take it and go hog wild.
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aSSbAG. posted:Actually I had an idea about robots that would go out to the asteroid belt and push some big rear end rocks back to earth for mining purposes. It's not manned exploration but its a start, prove that there's resources out there and money to be made. I think I'm probably too lazy to start on it myself so take it and go hog wild. Pushing rocks from the main asteroid belt would be pretty expensive in terms of dV. Near-Earth asteroids are a lot closer, and some of them would require less dV than getting to the moon. At that range, it might be easier and faster overall to send a manned expedition. Or better yet, several waves of manned expeditions, with different types of equipment. First expedition would basically travel to a suitable NEA, and start grinding it up. Since cosmic and solar radiation are likely to be an issue, the first step would be to fill sandbags with crushed rock, and cover the hull of the habitat. Carrying a few hundred nylon bags is going to weigh a lot less than a sufficient amount of metallic or water-based radiation shielding. This first expedition would basically make nothing but sandbags of crushed asteroidal material. The next expedition would bring a few more people, along with equipment to start smelting, seperating, and casting asteroid material into solid ores. Smelting rock should be fairly simple, given a large mirror (reflective-coated mylar, most likely). Since NEA's don't travel around the sun at the same speed as the Earth, it's likely that you'll need to ship all of the heaviest stuff in the first few launches, while maintaining a steady stream of lighter packages - such as provisions and fuel. Additionally, we could launch several similar asteroid missions at various points around the Aten, Apollo, and Amor belts, and potentially use them as way-stations for logistical supply. (IE, launch something from Earth towards the nearest NEA outpost - and the outpost can launch it again for "free" with a rail-gun and enough solar panels) The third stage of these expeditions would be simple tools and CNC machinery to allow the outposts to take their raw materials and turn it into finished products. One such product would be a brand new CNC machine. The second product would probably be duplicate "space containers", or some other sort of cheap habitat expansion. A crude solar sail, or a low-g railgun system could then start launching finished goods back towards Earth orbit. At this point, you suddenly have less need to launch things from Earth, since a lot of simple and heavy structures can now be built in space. Additionally, the extra supply of habitation modules and equipment being built from the asteroid outposts suddenly means you can start to setup agricultural-based orbiting colonies. One would think this would reduce demand for food being sent up from Earth. However, the addition of space-based food supply will simply allow for more people to live in space - increasing demand considerably. And that's how to get things started. Well, that's my idea anyways.   
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Well I've got experience growing plants in soil and hydro using LED lights. So I call dibs on OSM's horticulturist/gardener when we get up there. Which I'm sure with time we can develop a decently, though not 100% efficient, method of waste management/oxygen creation/food creation. Edit, also I'm going through my solar (energy) certification training right now, so I can help out there too. RizieN fucked around with this message at Aug 4, 2010 around 17:26 |
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RizieN posted:Well I've got experience growing plants in soil and hydro using LED lights. So I call dibs on OSM's horticulturist/gardener when we get up there. Which I'm sure with time we can develop a decently, though not 100% efficient, method of waste management/oxygen creation/food creation. Hotbox the entire space station.  Seriously though. Space rocks and we need to be there more. Set up a recurring donation plan so I can donate once I have income again.
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100 HOGS AGREE posted:You just want to grow some dank space nugs. Hey, people will need recreation up there, humans weren't meant to live in space, they go crazy(just watch Christmas on Mars). Speaking of, my brother is an awesome musician, we'll need live entertainment for the people doing seriously hard work.
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Hey Shal, I want to do whatever I can to help. I have experience as an editor, so if you have copy for the website, or press releases or anything that you need looked through for typos, or just sprucing up anything in general I can help with that.
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