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teekun
May 2, 2003

WOAH! WOAH WHAT?? WHOA


Star War Sex Parrot posted:

I wouldn't call it brilliant, and I can think of at least 20 Batman stories that I enjoy more, but I still own it and would definitely recommend it.

I can't name 20 Batman stories period. As a singular piece of work, art and writing, I think it's brilliant, even if you don't really read Batman comics, or comics at all really.

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Nthman
Nov 3, 2004

Creepy

Count me in as someone whose making this a Day one purchase.

The first game was probably the best game I played last year.

RagnarokAngel
Oct 5, 2006
Do not engage or respond to me, as I am an insufferable prick. I love posting about posting or posters, rather than actual content. But it's cool because I'm smarter than you and have the correct opinion on every matter.

teekun posted:

I can't name 20 Batman stories period. As a singular piece of work, art and writing, I think it's brilliant, even if you don't really read Batman comics, or comics at all really.

It's a bit of a mess artistically and its kinda hard to see what's going on sometimes. For a comic book this is an issue. It also just seems to lack an overall "point" to it all.

That said it's a great read, just not something you're likely to revisit.

treat
Jul 24, 2008


I've been waiting for the price to drop on the first game for quite a while, and I missed the last steam sale by an hour. Is steam the only digital distributor of Arkham Asylum? I understand the game is great, but $40 is a lot to spend as someone who buys games and then never plays them.

Seeing Eye Duck
Mar 30, 2008

"I may not be able to see all the bullshit going on in here! But he can!"


I am extremely excited to see a sequel to Batman AA. I really enjoyed what the developers did with the first one. The combat system was awesome, and the characters, and writing were bar done some of the best I have seen in any game to date. However, I thought Arkham asylum was based on the Graphic novels that are split apart by villain. I'm not really a DC reader, I'm more of a Marvel one but I do enjoy DC licenses as well.


RagnarokAngel posted:

It's about as much of an inspiration as Arkham Asylum was based off A Serious House on Serious Earth.

I'll definitely be picking this up on my trip to the Comic store next week.

K8.0
Feb 26, 2004

I love DLC, and enjoy visually progressive Diablo armor sets for my tiny penis

(Unrelatedly, I am also a RACIST)


treat posted:

I've been waiting for the price to drop on the first game for quite a while, and I missed the last steam sale by an hour. Is steam the only digital distributor of Arkham Asylum? I understand the game is great, but $40 is a lot to spend as someone who buys games and then never plays them.

Gamersgate has it for 16 bucks right now which is a pretty good deal for it.

treat
Jul 24, 2008


K8.0 posted:

Gamersgate has it for 16 bucks right now which is a pretty good deal for it.

Yes it is, and it is purchased. Thanks.

Dre2Dee2
Dec 6, 2006

Just a striding through Kamen Rider...


Come on... give me an Azrael unlock/DLC character

Also goddamnit, what is wrong with the standard design of Harley Quinn? When I read "she's not a nursein this one" I was thinking we were getting away from that whore costume poo poo.

Nope, now she's just as much as a hooker as ever.

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006

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I'm just hoping this builds to a climactic "No Man's Land" third game wherein we finally get to see the Bat-Family come into the fore as both supporting characters and as playable missions.

Seriously, it opens up multiplayer options without having everyone be Batman, adds to the story in a logical and natural way, and mutates the gameplay elements so they don't feel stale after three games.

Are people really that afraid of playing as Robin? Jesus, why does Batman always have to be either GRIMDARK WHY SO SERIOUS I AM THE KNIGHT or Adam West loopy camp weinerville poo poo?

Dre2Dee2
Dec 6, 2006

Just a striding through Kamen Rider...


Holy poo poo, No Man's Land: The Game would be loving AWESOME

we can have a grim dark robin. JASON TODD

RagnarokAngel
Oct 5, 2006
Do not engage or respond to me, as I am an insufferable prick. I love posting about posting or posters, rather than actual content. But it's cool because I'm smarter than you and have the correct opinion on every matter.

Dre2Dee2 posted:

Come on... give me an Azrael unlock/DLC character

Also goddamnit, what is wrong with the standard design of Harley Quinn? When I read "she's not a nursein this one" I was thinking we were getting away from that whore costume poo poo.

Nope, now she's just as much as a hooker as ever.

This has been addressed before but Harley is basically a slut.

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006

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The pieces are all there too, all the game needs to do is end with a huge loving earthquake (possibly caused by some Joker or Hugo Strange-fuckery in Arkham City) and BAM next game is all set up and Batman has to call all his pieces to the board.

Batman gets so much nerd jizz for his rogues gallery but his supporting cast of heroes is also the best in the business bar none and to solely focus on his villains is to squander a boatload of gameplay potential--especially given how refined and polished they got Batman it'd be a shame not to see any variation as the franchise evolves.

Characters that could at least show up in a supporting hero role a' la Oracle or even be playable (going by mostly current Bat-continuity to keep the toy lines consistent):

Robin V (Damian Wayne): a small quick hellion with the arrogance of a trustfunder raised by assassins. One minute you want to beat the snot's rear end and the next you're joining him in mocking a dude in a pig costume for getting his rear end kicked by a ten year-old. He's the kid you love to hate.

Nightwing (a.k.a Robin I): basically a more agile, less bruiser variation on Bats. For Marvel fans basically picture a handsome, less angsty Daredevil and you've got him.

Red Robin (a.k.a Robin III): a moderate fighter with the best detective and strategist thinking outside Bats himself.

Batgirl III (a.k.a Robin IV and Spoiler): basically Red Robin as a girl minus the detective skills but far more relatability. Basically put she's the perennial n00b on the block despite years of experience.

Batgirl II (a.k.a loving awesome underused character): a lightweight rear end-kicking machine raised solely to kick asses by one of the top ten rear end-kickers to ever kick asses since asses were first kicked and mentored/rescued by Batman- one of the other top ten rear end-kickers etc. etc.

Jason Todd (a.k.a Robin II a.k.a Red Hood): basically Batman meets the Punisher. One rare case where making "the hero with guns" can work from a plot standpoint. He's the GRIMDARK funnel to keep the rest of the cast from seeming too deep in their own assholes.

The Huntress: more or less Jason Todd with a crossbow and a conscience, a reforming bad girl. One of the three 'major' Birds of Prey. She tried for years to get Batman to take her into the Bat-family before Oracle said (basically) "you shoot a gun and have killed without being under mind control or some bullshit, he'll never really forgive you for that. Work with me and leave that poo poo behind and feel good about yourself" and she did, but she still works in Gotham occasionally and still wants Batman to at least acknowledge that she's cleaned up her act. Batman doesn't because he's a prick.

Black Canary: the 'major' Bird of Prey that Oracle could call in to help clean up Gotham. More or less a slightly less effective Batgirl II with a Sonic Scream super-move.

Green Arrow: where Black Canary goes this dude inevitably follows. He'd be fun to play as, as he'd be Batman with the Batarang mechanic turned up to a ridiculous degree, but he'd be best as a cameo acting all smug about how he's able to keep Star City clean despite looking like loving Robin Hood whilst Batman needs to pull out all the stops just to keep one prison from going apeshit.

The Question II: Not really a good playable character but a great espionage/intrigue agent and a decent martial artist to boot.

Batwoman: despite being the newest kid on the proverbial block by a wide margin she's a good choice for a heavyweight female fighter that doesn't seem on the periphery like the Birds of Prey do. She actually is the n00b on the block.

Azrael (a.k.a the dude who took over after Batman broke his back): he's the very definition of tangential to the Bat-clan these days with his religious overtones and moral crusader stuff. I don't see him as necessary as anything other than a cameo. If he were playable he'd more or less end up as Batman with a sword and bible.

If none of those sound like they can't be incorporated into an Arkham Asylum-style game as a multiplayer option or as additional characters (both playable and non-playable) for a city-wide No Man's Land-style game you are absolutely crazy.

And that's not even including unlockable/DLC skins for all those characters, like a Batgirl I skin so Oracle can kick the Joker's slimy rear end over and over in multiplayer.

Edit: I did forget Batwoman but I listed Spoiler in there (she's Batgirl III now don'tcha know?)

O.G Question is gone man, sorry. And Ragman? I love Ragman but I was strictly keeping things in the Bat-Family here. Even Question II was a stretch for that--and she's only there because she hosed Batwoman (oh yeah, they're lesbians too )--and it's not like I shoved Green Arrow or Blue Beetle II in there (even though I totally could and they'd rock the aesthetic all the same).

mind the walrus fucked around with this message at Aug 11, 2010 around 08:50

Dre2Dee2
Dec 6, 2006

Just a striding through Kamen Rider...


Oooh ooh ooh... add the new Batwoman, original Question, Spoiler, and Ragman please.

Canemacar
Mar 8, 2008


mind the walrus posted:

stuff

I want a mode where you play as the true hero of Gotham: Alfred Pennyworth!

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006

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Canemacar posted:

I want a mode where you play as the true hero of Gotham: Alfred Pennyworth!

Only for that one mission where the cave gets invaded and no one else is around.

You know any more Alfred playtime and your system would melt from the insane heat generated by his cool British manner.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

cheesy anime pizza undresses you with pepperoni eyes


I don't care if he's not really part of the Batman mythos, add Green Arrow.

Drox
Aug 9, 2007

by Y Kant Ozma Post


I'm a little late for the fighting system discussion, but:

I liked the AA system. I also loved the gently caress out of God Hand. I would love to see Batman doing combos that aren't game-assisted or predefined but ones that I create myself.

evobatman
Jul 30, 2006

it means nothing, but says everything!

I want this game to include an unsuspecting goon just standing around and enjoying his chocolate ice cream.

Ddraig
Sep 5, 2005

Sits with a full house

I hope they throw in some really obscure Batman villains in there. We had all the major bases covered in AA even if some were only cameos.

I'd like to see Reaper or maybe The Gentleman Ghost

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006

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Endorph posted:

I don't care if he's not really part of the Batman mythos, add Green Arrow.

Fine, added. He's a technical fit.

Just don't ask me to add in Green Arrow II (Connor Hawke, 90s kids will know who I'm talking about), Speedy II, or *shudder* Arsenal/Red Arrow for the unaware DC editorial decided to take a reformed junkie and single father, one who spent a decade raising a normal, lovely young daughter, and have her brutally killed whilst her father had his arm amputated prompting him to become a GRIMDARK villain and "forcing" Green Arrow to kill the guy who did it (Prometheus for 90s JLA fans).

He's basically a black sheep despite having been an awesome and unconventional character because a few editors decided tragedy porn was a good step for a flagship DC title to take.

Fonzarelli
Aug 15, 2004

Jumping the Shark

I hope detective vision is toned down. I read somewhere that the art guy was bummed out about how powerful it was, because it really hid a lot of the work he did.

Dre2Dee2
Dec 6, 2006

Just a striding through Kamen Rider...


Ddraig posted:

I hope they throw in some really obscure Batman villains in there. We had all the major bases covered in AA even if some were only cameos.

I'd like to see Reaper or maybe The Gentleman Ghost

Roxy Rocket yo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k58w...player_embedded

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006

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Ddraig posted:

I hope they throw in some really obscure Batman villains in there. We had all the major bases covered in AA even if some were only cameos.

I'd like to see Reaper or maybe The Gentleman Ghost

I could go for the Reaper, but Gentleman Ghost is really more of a Hawkman villain, though he has shown up in Bat-comics.

I'd be down for some Doodlebug (was he in Arkham Asylum?)--a psychopathic graffiti artist who used the blood of models for arcane tags around Gotham. I'd also take a cult following Maxie Zeus.

Was Lockout in Arkham Asylum? If not they missed their best opportunity to use him, but I'd like to see him anyway.

I also hope that if/when Hush shows up he's killed quickly and we don't have to endure any of his bullshit. Hush really really sucks as a concept.

If they're really going crazy they could put the Ten-Eyed Man or Killer Moth in his ridiculous costume.

Ddraig
Sep 5, 2005

Sits with a full house

I'd personally like to see The Eraser in the AA style.

Canemacar
Mar 8, 2008


mind the walrus posted:

Fine, added. He's a technical fit.

Just don't ask me to add in Green Arrow II (Connor Hawke, 90s kids will know who I'm talking about), Speedy II, or *shudder* Arsenal/Red Arrow for the unaware DC editorial decided to take a reformed junkie and single father, one who spent a decade raising a normal, lovely young daughter, and have her brutally killed whilst her father had his arm amputated prompting him to become a GRIMDARK villain and "forcing" Green Arrow to kill the guy who did it (Prometheus for 90s JLA fans).

He's basically a black sheep despite having been an awesome and unconventional character because a few editors decided tragedy porn was a good step for a flagship DC title to take.

You forgot the best/worst part. He beat up a gang of muggers with the body of a dead cat.

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006

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Canemacar posted:

You forgot the best/worst part. He beat up a gang of muggers with the body of a dead cat.

Ah superhero comics. When in doubt of your story's viability just throw in the wackiest poo poo you think you can pull off in the story and hope everyone gets too distracted by a sentient gorilla wielding machine guns to question the plot.

TJO
Aug 14, 2006

I had a funny feeling in my gut.


Fighting armed with a dead cat seems it would be more difficult than just fighting with your fists.

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006

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I actually work at a vet's office and depending on how long it's been dead--not long enough to rot but long enough for rigor mortis to set in--the only real problem is aerodynamics and effectiveness as a blunt/sharp instrument.

Aerodynamics is a handwave because the dude's gimmick is knowing how projectiles work and it follows he would know how to make a stiff cat corpse fly through the air, but is it really an effective weapon?

I'd say send it into Mythbusters but I don't think Cry for Justice is a good emissary into the world of superhero comics for anyone.

RagnarokAngel
Oct 5, 2006
Do not engage or respond to me, as I am an insufferable prick. I love posting about posting or posters, rather than actual content. But it's cool because I'm smarter than you and have the correct opinion on every matter.

Fonzarelli posted:

I hope detective vision is toned down. I read somewhere that the art guy was bummed out about how powerful it was, because it really hid a lot of the work he did.

They said this time they're going for a more "augmented reality" look to it. Pop ups over enemies telling you theyre armed and stuff I'd imagine.

Dareon
Apr 6, 2009


The talk about beating people with a dead cat made me think that Section Eight really needs more exposure. Talk about throwing in the wackiest poo poo you can find. Most of them are dead in canon, but that shouldn't stop people by god.

Of course, this is veering pretty far from Bat-Family. But they are Gotham-based! One of them was even in Arkham.

TheJoker138
Jan 1, 2008

The Clown Prince
Of Crime


Dre2Dee2 posted:

Come on... give me an Azrael unlock/DLC character

Also goddamnit, what is wrong with the standard design of Harley Quinn? When I read "she's not a nursein this one" I was thinking we were getting away from that whore costume poo poo.

Nope, now she's just as much as a hooker as ever.

It sounds like they're using her costume from the Joker hardcover that came out a while ago:


Click here for the full 595x915 image.


EDIT:

By the way, on the whole Speedy from Green Arrow flipping his poo poo thing, you have to remember that GA has always been kind of a poor mans Batman. Batman has a Bat-Cave, GA has to get an Arrow-Cave. Batman has a Bat-Plane, GA has to get an Arrow-Plane. Batman has a former side kick go crazy and become a murderous vigilante/villain depending on the day, well...GA has to get one too.

TheJoker138 fucked around with this message at Aug 11, 2010 around 10:54

Robot Hobo
May 17, 2002

Any idiot can find something wrong with anything.

That's what makes them idiots.


mind the walrus posted:

The Question II: Not really a good playable character but a great espionage/intrigue agent and a decent martial artist to boot.
The new Question (Renee Montoya) would fit pretty well. All street-fighting and maybe a gadget or two, just like Bats. Trained to fight by Richard Dragon, which is DC-Universe shorthand for "now they're one of the best rear end-kickers on Earth." She's a Gotham regular herself, and was originally created by Dini for the Batman Animated Series before migrating to the comic, just like Harley Quinn. Since Dini's writing this game too, there's an outside chance of Montoya making at least a guest appearance.

I think they're keeping it simple and "classic" when it comes to main characters. Which is definitely a good move.
Catwoman is the only new semi-bat-family member I expect to be making a major appearance, but cameos and references are a completely different story.

Dareon posted:

The talk about beating people with a dead cat made me think that Section Eight really needs more exposure.
If any of them are still alive, I can't imagine any reason they WOULDN'T be locked up in an asylum. When a game called Section 8 came out last year, I was so disappointed that it wasn't in any way related to the best superhero team in Gotham City. I just want a game where I have a "weld dog" button on my gamepad, is that so wrong? Also, thanks to that super team, the word "Defenestrate" has entered my vocabulary.

Robot Hobo fucked around with this message at Aug 11, 2010 around 15:44

raditts
Feb 21, 2001

The Kwanzaa Bot is here to protect me.

Timeless Appeal posted:

This is true.



He has to pick just the right times to bring out the bat-dalek.

That's awesome. I would love to see the situation where Batman needs to bust out a Dalek.

doctor 7 posted:

Oh my God do we have an "I'm Batman" button finally?

It had better be an "I'm the goddamn Batman" button.

mind the walrus posted:

Are people really that afraid of playing as Robin? Jesus, why does Batman always have to be either GRIMDARK WHY SO SERIOUS I AM THE KNIGHT or Adam West loopy camp weinerville poo poo?

I think The Brave and the Bold is a pretty good balance of the two. I would play a Brave and the Bold game.

Drox posted:

I'm a little late for the fighting system discussion, but:

I liked the AA system. I also loved the gently caress out of God Hand. I would love to see Batman doing combos that aren't game-assisted or predefined but ones that I create myself.

Dear God, Batman + God Hand's fighting system would be amazing. I still see the point of people who say that kicking rear end comes so naturally to Batman that a "push the hit button and Batman does his thing" style makes sense, though.

raditts fucked around with this message at Aug 11, 2010 around 16:08

Stealthed Zombie
Dec 21, 2007

I just met you,
And this is crazy.

I cut my wrists up,
So turn me maybe?


So what are we betting will be the hugely blown out of proportion collectors edition item? I'm going to go with a REAL WORKING GRAPPLING HOOK that turns out just shoots a nerf thing attached to a rope.

Also exclusive to PS3, play as Alfred in a special group of challenge rooms dealing with tending to the garden and cleaning the mansion.

In all seriousness I'll likely pre-order the CE as soon as I hear about it unless it has something extremely retarded. I'm a sucker for most CEs

Bloodly
Nov 3, 2008

Not as strong as you'd expect.

Stealthed Zombie posted:

Also exclusive to PS3, play as Alfred in a special group of challenge rooms dealing with tending to the garden and cleaning the mansion.

He is not incapable in melee, and he's known to have skill with the shotgun. The few times he's had to defend the manor himself, or defend himself, he's always aquitted himself well.

All I'm saying is it may not be an impossibility; if not now then maybe as DLC when they'e fishing for ideas.

Spikey
May 12, 2001

From my cold, dead hands!

raditts posted:

I think The Brave and the Bold is a pretty good balance of the two. I would play a Brave and the Bold game.

You'll get the chance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFoUcJWkHic

Verbal
Jul 5, 2004

SPINNAZ

I never played AA (although I'm planning on doing so soon), was the Ventriloquist in it all? (Even as just a cameo/reference?) He's tied with Mad Hatter as my favorite Batvillain.

Ddraig
Sep 5, 2005

Sits with a full house

I'm pretty sure his dummy was in one of the display cases somewhere or something like that. A lot of Batman's villains got an appearance, even if it was just something associated with them.

Yeah, here he is. Spoilers, obviously.

Zeppelin Insanity
Oct 28, 2009



Besides the rocket itself being pretty goofy, Roxy is a very cool character concept and I would love to see her in a Rocksteady game.

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Hobo By Design
Mar 17, 2009

Hobo By Intent or Robo Hobo?

I hope the game is a bit harder. I found AA to be kind of boring, until the post-game stuff where you really had to sink your teeth into how the game works, which gave me a better appreciation of it. It was easy to win, harder to win with style, and it's cool they're playing up that aspect by including taunts.

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