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MassRayPer posted:Are there any sane, rational critiques of SABRmetrics? I don't mean debunking but just taking a critical look at it. I've had some minor complaints ever since I took quantitative analysis classes so I'm curious if there is a good article that looks at stuff like that. Sabermetrics is such a broad field of analysis/study that I don't know if there is such a thing as a rational critique of it because basically what it means is finding newer and better ways to quantify baseball skill and performance. The metrics themselves aren't perfect but the whole point is to keep making them better than what we had before. There are lots of critiques of individual metrics (like WAR or VORP or whatever) I'm sure you could find, maybe some other posters have links.
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A drat FOG posted:Sabermetrics is such a broad field of analysis/study that I don't know if there is such a thing as a rational critique of it because basically what it means is finding newer and better ways to quantify baseball skill and performance. The metrics themselves aren't perfect but the whole point is to keep making them better than what we had before. That is more what I mean seeing critiques/analysis of individual metrics rather than the field as a whole.
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I had a writer submit this column for the UCF sports section a week or two ago. For backstory, the starting QB Rob Calabrese has lost the starter job in three straight years and Jeff Godfrey is a young highly touted freshman.quote:George O’Leary is a lifelong Yankees fan. Growing up in Central Islip, New York, he became familiar with Bronx Bomber history, as does any good pinstripe-diehard in training. One particular bit of New York baseball trivia mirrors the quarterback situation O’Leary is about to encounter as he enters the 2010 season. There is literally nothing similar about these two situations. Like, at all. They both play sports with a ball, and that's about it. Also they are nearly all white people, so there's that, as well. BackInTheUSSR fucked around with this message at 06:58 on Sep 16, 2010 |
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Wally Pipp was actually benched for sucking by Miller Huggins.
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BackInTheUSSR posted:I have a writer submit this column for the UCF sports section a week or two ago. For backstory, the starting QB Rob Calabrese has lost the starter job in three straight years and Jeff Godfrey is a young highly touted freshman.
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Crazy Ted posted:College newspapers are absolutely wonderful places to go for horrible, godawful journalism. That blurb was the most poorly thought out and written piece of poo poo I've seen in a while. I expect to see him writing for a major newspaper within 5 years.
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He is incredibly verbose and reads sports journalism from the 60s and thinks that sort of writing is still popular and necessary. That isn't even a particularly poorly written piece considering the other poo poo people turn into me but it's just such a desperate reach for a storyline that doesn't exist. The barebones of the situation is "lovely guy loses job to better player" which happens EVERY SINGLE DAY in sports. The sad thing is I still had to publish it because the other column that was submitted was about "wanting it more" or some poo poo. College journalism is the loving worst.
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Crazy Ted posted:College newspapers are absolutely wonderful places to go for horrible, godawful journalism. @bleacherreportd
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The comments on an article about gay couples wanting to be on the Cardinals' kiss cam are truly stunning. http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/article_c97e027b-d897-5fa4-88fc-40b014719810.html?mode=comments QUEERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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zakharov posted:The comments on an article about gay couples wanting to be on the Cardinals' kiss cam are truly stunning. I have actually thought about this before at the ballpark. I think the main difficulty is that unless they are already making out, which defeats the point of the kiss cam!, is that basically it's harder to tell if you are going to put your camera on a gay couple or two dudes hanging out at a baseball game.
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Badfinger posted:I have actually thought about this before at the ballpark. I think the main difficulty is that unless they are already making out, which defeats the point of the kiss cam!, is that basically it's harder to tell if you are going to put your camera on a gay couple or two dudes hanging out at a baseball game. I'd just like to say that Tim Panaccio from CSNPhilly.com is a horrible reporter and I can't stand that I have to read his poo poo to get info about the Flyers. His writing (and even when he's on TV for Daily News Live) comes off as he knows everything and everyone should just accept whatever he says because he's been doing it for so long.
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A drat FOG posted:Sabermetrics is such a broad field of analysis/study that I don't know if there is such a thing as a rational critique of it because basically what it means is finding newer and better ways to quantify baseball skill and performance. The metrics themselves aren't perfect but the whole point is to keep making them better than what we had before. One valid criticism is that a lot of sabermetrics is fad based and not really well established in good mathematics or scientific critique. Hence the inability to find good critiques of a lot of metrics.
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zakharov posted:The comments on an article about gay couples wanting to be on the Cardinals' kiss cam are truly stunning. I can't wait until Joe Strauss asks TLR what he thinks about this. Joe Strauss is the worst Cardinals journalist. Not only does he suck, but he's still incredibly bitter about being scooped by Viva El Birdos (a blog!  ) last year on the Chris Duncan deal.
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zakharov posted:The comments on an article about gay couples wanting to be on the Cardinals' kiss cam are truly stunning. The only stunning thing about that is how many people are actually sticking up for the homosexuals. That is so much milder than I would have expected comments on an article involving sports and homosexuality to be. I was stunned when I saw "exposed to the reality of homosexuality" and it wasn't followed up by how evil it is, and then someone mocking the notion of the "gay agenda."
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Solution: Get rid of all the retarded between innings jumbotron horseshit
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Captain Charisma posted:Solution: Get rid of all the retarded between innings jumbotron horseshit You would deprive a man of his BONGO CAM?!
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whoa whoa whoa !!first off if i get kissed im punching someone out, the last time i was on kiss cam i got arrested my case is in march. she was not at all amused i got excited, sorry , anyway ,if this happens will we get barf bags like airplane flights?? enough with the gays!! dont ask don't tell. no punches thrown cappech!! The best part is that this guy's username is THE ONE AND ONLY BIG AL
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Captain Charisma posted:Solution: Get rid of all the retarded between innings jumbotron horseshit That's really part of a larger issue of ballparks being less about baseball and more about "entertainment and oh by the way there's a baseball game." Furthermore, retarded between innings jumbotron horseshit is frequently very entertaining. Without it, we wouldn't have the Astros foul ball couple. Or the Presidents/Pierogies/Sausage race. Or the rally monkey
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Admins change my name to "enough with the gays!!" please
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I dislike almost all noisy ballpark affectations, but I do sort of enjoy the kiss cam.
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I say to each his/her own.BUT.....the ballgame draw families and gays kissing is NOT appropriote for young kids.Sorry.Yes you can be gay...that is fine...but I don't HAVE to teach my children that IT is NORMAL because it isn't. It has become a fad a cooll thing "to be gay",I don't believe that many people are BORN this way.So do as you like,I will tolerate it fine but I WILL NOT TEACH MY CHILDREN IT IS NORMAL
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I think the best part is that people are afraid that the cam will show them next to their guy friend, and that means they will literally be forced to kiss them due to the Kiss Cam Laws
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I've seen them put a gay couple on the kisscam at Staten Island at least once. If Staten Island can do this and not explode, so can you St Louis.
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zakharov posted:The comments on an article about gay couples wanting to be on the Cardinals' kiss cam are truly stunning. The best comment: quote:Joepa1 said on: September 16, 2010, 12:15 pm
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Captain Charisma posted:Solution: Get rid of all the retarded between innings jumbotron horseshit I get that we take baseball seriously and poo poo during the game is dumb but really, are we hating on between-inning stuff? GOD DAMMIT TURN DOWN THAT MUSIC AND LET ME JUST EAT MY HOT DOG AND CROSSCHECK MY SCORECARD WITH GAMEDAY IN PEACE
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Tender Bender posted:I get that we take baseball seriously and poo poo during the game is dumb but really, are we hating on between-inning stuff? GOD DAMMIT TURN DOWN THAT MUSIC AND LET ME JUST EAT MY HOT DOG AND CROSSCHECK MY SCORECARD WITH GAMEDAY IN PEACE Well, at least find better poo poo. Dump things like THE GREAT SUBWAY RACE, Zales Scoreboard Dude, and YMCA. The fan trivia and sausage races and stuff are good. At least the Yankees got rid of Cotton Eyed Joey. Oh yeah also get rid of God Bless America
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Captain Charisma posted:Well, at least find better poo poo. Dump things like THE GREAT SUBWAY RACE, Zales Scoreboard Dude, and YMCA. The fan trivia and sausage races and stuff are good. At least the Yankees got rid of Cotton Eyed Joey. Who doesn't like the subway race to Yankee you goddamn pinko Orgophlax posted:True, but it'd really be no more awkward than if they happened to focus on a brother & sister. I am 100% sure that all the worst sports writers get stuck in hockey man. Fuckin' Brooksie. Maybe he's not so much on the bad side, but more just of a cockbag than anything... Ross McKeon?? Ughhhh
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THE MACHO MAN posted:Who doesn't like the subway race to Yankee you goddamn pinko Steve Simmons is the worst. Brooks atleast covers the CBa poo poo extensively even if he is an rear end and you disagree with his CBa opinions.
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Agreed, im not so much into all the bullshit a Major league game, but all the goofy poo poo at minor league games is the best. If any of you have been to the Lake Elsinore Storm (maybe 2 of you), it has the absolute best between inning attractions. Grounds Crew Gorilla has a feud with the Inland Empire 66'ers Part 1 Part 2
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I think between innings stuff is only a problem I you go to a lot of games. I see the same poo poo all the time at Yankee Stadium and RCBP but that's just because I go so often. It's for the people who go a few times a year, which is probably most of the people at any given game.
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Daulerio is a piece of poo poo again. NWS for boobs. Naked Photo Of Someone Who's Probably Not Nick Saban's Daughter Is About To Go Viral posted:]It started off with an email from a man named David: "Any interest in Nick Saban's daughter, who is a sophomore at Alabama, topless?" And then some other dude sent us the pic rapidly circulating around SEC cell phones. (NSFW)
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I think it's fake!! So let me publish it anyway!!! I thought he was going away?
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leokitty posted:I think it's fake!! So let me publish it anyway!!! Really? Who's taking over?
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morestuff posted:Really? Who's taking over? I know Fire Joe Morgan is guest editing for a day, but I haven't heard anything about Daulerio leaving.
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He said he was going away for a while but then never actually went away.
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I know that a lot of people have been piling on fangraphs but holy loving poo poo is Dave Cameron's piece about Adam Dunn loving awfulquote:
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I CHALLENGE THEE posted:I've heard of mailing it in but Jesus Christ I am horrified by the thought that Dave Cameron will find a female foolish enough to reproduce with him.
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chutwig posted:I am horrified by the thought that Dave Cameron will find a female foolish enough to reproduce with him. He's already married
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Nodoze posted:Adam Dunn's offensive production has just been "good, not great" Players that Cameron thinks have "good, not great" offensive production: Al Kaline, Orlando Cepeda, Jose Canseco, Boog Powell, Ken Griffey Jr., Frank Baker, Tony Gwynn, Joe Morgan.
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