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Zeeman
May 8, 2007

Say WHAT?! You KNOW that post is wack, homie!


Toffile posted:

I kind of want to see what tortured logic lets a team move up the rankings while getting banned from a country.

"Although the Orioles were banned from South Korea, the increased resources this allows them to put into every other country makes this a clear win for the Smugbirds"

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The broken bones
Jan 3, 2008

Out beyond winning and losing, there is a field.

I will meet you there.

Crazy Ted posted:

Bert Sugar died of lung cancer yesterday. He was 75. Also, he owned.

he was that young? I thought he was 90 as of 10 years ago.

Crazy Ted
Jul 29, 2003



The broken bones posted:

he was that young? I thought he was 90 as of 10 years ago.
I imagine when you smoke gigantic loving cigars continuously for fifty years it ages you a bit prematurely.

The broken bones
Jan 3, 2008

Out beyond winning and losing, there is a field.

I will meet you there.

are you there god, it's me, ji

jim leyland

Reformed Pissboy
Nov 6, 2003

adsfffyoao

Am I reading that Cameron quote wrong or is his point that the Orioles haven't moved up, despite how easy it is to find analytically-minded FO people that could help them?

Badfinger
Dec 16, 2004

Timeouts?!

We'll take care of that.


Harm Barn Gumshoe posted:

Am I reading that Cameron quote wrong or is his point that the Orioles haven't moved up, despite how easy it is to find analytically-minded FO people that could help them?

That is what I read as well.

Ace Jameson
Feb 10, 2006

Whee! I'm Dick Tracy! Bang! Take that Pruneface!

Harm Barn Gumshoe posted:

Am I reading that Cameron quote wrong or is his point that the Orioles haven't moved up, despite how easy it is to find analytically-minded FO people that could help them?

Yeah pretty much, although it's not even about moving up in the rankings, but getting an "analytical upgrade". He implies that they didn't do that, so I doubt they will move up in the rankings at all. Perhaps down??

The Goog
Aug 6, 2007

Run.

Ace Jameson posted:

Yeah pretty much, although it's not even about moving up in the rankings, but getting an "analytical upgrade". He implies that they didn't do that, so I doubt they will move up in the rankings at all. Perhaps down??

They already did. FanGraphs revealed the bottom three today, and the Orioles are dead last; the Astros had been there for the previous two years, and they're #29.

leokitty
Apr 5, 2005

Well I had to phone his friend to state my case, and say he's lost control again.

And he showed up all the errors and mistakes, and said I've lost control again.

Saying it would be super easy for the Orioles to hire super quality people is pretty silly when they tried to do that and were turned down and stuck with Duquette.

LARGE THE HEAD
Sep 1, 2009

"Competitive greatness is when you play your best against the best."

"Learn as if you were to live forever; live as if you were to die tomorrow."

--John Wooden


It would absolutely suck to be the beat reporter of an MLB team. 162 game stories, none of which matter unless you're on a select number of teams. The same 25 players over and over that have been written absolutely to death, or will be by the other 300 beat reporters from area papers, TV networks and other media. Statistical samples are absolutely useless until about July. Managers and players are some of the worst interviews in all of sports. Keeping track of prospects, inevitably a part of your job, is really hard to do beyond face value. And on top of all that, you have the same cadre of lovely fans questioning your every word. Filing the same two stories every day for roughly two-thirds of the year would be mind-numbing.

Accordingly, some of the least interesting journalism comes from baseball, and it seems to wind up as the most criticized subsection of sports journalism in here. I believe the correlation is strong.

LARGE THE HEAD
Sep 1, 2009

"Competitive greatness is when you play your best against the best."

"Learn as if you were to live forever; live as if you were to die tomorrow."

--John Wooden


But to contribute, The New York Times published a piece on the state of American horse racing at the more local levels. It is dire. Regardless of what you think of horse racing (it is a dying sport, so whether or not you actually care about it), this is the best piece written in 2012. Read it, now.

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



LARGE THE HEAD posted:

It would absolutely suck to be the beat reporter of an MLB team. 162 game stories, none of which matter unless you're on a select number of teams. The same 25 players over and over that have been written absolutely to death, or will be by the other 300 beat reporters from area papers, TV networks and other media. Statistical samples are absolutely useless until about July. Managers and players are some of the worst interviews in all of sports. Keeping track of prospects, inevitably a part of your job, is really hard to do beyond face value. And on top of all that, you have the same cadre of lovely fans questioning your every word. Filing the same two stories every day for roughly two-thirds of the year would be mind-numbing.

Accordingly, some of the least interesting journalism comes from baseball, and it seems to wind up as the most criticized subsection of sports journalism in here. I believe the correlation is strong.

here's the thing: nobody gives a gently caress about game stories

toadee
Aug 16, 2003

North American Turtle Boy Love Association

LARGE THE HEAD posted:

But to contribute, The New York Times published a piece on the state of American horse racing at the more local levels. It is dire. Regardless of what you think of horse racing (it is a dying sport, so whether or not you actually care about it), this is the best piece written in 2012. Read it, now.

This story is really, really depressing but is absolutely well written and seemingly researched. I know literally nothing about horse racing at all, so I suppose it could be inaccurate about some things and I wouldn't really know, but, to paraphrase the equine medicine doctor in the article "We lose a really disproportionate number of horses. You don't see Olympic athletes snap their legs in half while running track and field, but it happens all the time with our horses." Something is definitely hosed up with the way that industry runs and I'm surprised that concern for jockey safety, let alone even a modicum of compassion for the horses hasn't caused more to be done by now.

DivineCoffeeBinge
Mar 3, 2011

Spider-Man's Amazing Construction Company


toadee posted:

This story is really, really depressing but is absolutely well written and seemingly researched. I know literally nothing about horse racing at all, so I suppose it could be inaccurate about some things and I wouldn't really know, but, to paraphrase the equine medicine doctor in the article "We lose a really disproportionate number of horses. You don't see Olympic athletes snap their legs in half while running track and field, but it happens all the time with our horses." Something is definitely hosed up with the way that industry runs and I'm surprised that concern for jockey safety, let alone even a modicum of compassion for the horses hasn't caused more to be done by now.

I'm hardly a horse racing expert but I've enjoyed going to the track for a few decades now and everything in the article seems pretty spot-on; the spectacle of the Kentucky Derby really has nothing to do with the smaller, shabbier, and usually much more poorly-regulated conditions at a smaller track.

haljordan
Oct 22, 2004

the corpse of god is love.


DivineCoffeeBinge posted:

I'm hardly a horse racing expert but I've enjoyed going to the track for a few decades now and everything in the article seems pretty spot-on; the spectacle of the Kentucky Derby really has nothing to do with the smaller, shabbier, and usually much more poorly-regulated conditions at a smaller track.

I like going to Saratoga a few times each summer; hopefully they are a bit more careful with the horses.

Crion
Sep 30, 2004
baseball.

LARGE THE HEAD posted:

It would absolutely suck to be the beat reporter of an MLB team. 162 game stories, none of which matter unless you're on a select number of teams. The same 25 players over and over that have been written absolutely to death, or will be by the other 300 beat reporters from area papers, TV networks and other media. Statistical samples are absolutely useless until about July. Managers and players are some of the worst interviews in all of sports. Keeping track of prospects, inevitably a part of your job, is really hard to do beyond face value. And on top of all that, you have the same cadre of lovely fans questioning your every word. Filing the same two stories every day for roughly two-thirds of the year would be mind-numbing.

Accordingly, some of the least interesting journalism comes from baseball, and it seems to wind up as the most criticized subsection of sports journalism in here. I believe the correlation is strong.

I could not be a beat reporter and I have no idea why anyone would want to unless they got to be part of the team's cable sports network as a part of it and do TV segments as well

morestuff
Aug 2, 2008



LARGE THE HEAD posted:

162 game stories, none of which matter unless you're on a select number of teams.

There are a handful of newspapers that have stopped sending beat reporters to away games in order to save money, so that probably won't be a problem in the future.

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



What would be worse is writing AP game stories kill me immediately.

DivineCoffeeBinge
Mar 3, 2011

Spider-Man's Amazing Construction Company


haljordan posted:

I like going to Saratoga a few times each summer; hopefully they are a bit more careful with the horses.

According to the article's track-by-track breakdown, Saratoga has a just-barely-above-average rate of incidents.

That said, way back in the day when my father worked at a race track, he told me he'd always heard good things about the majority of Saratoga's staff; I guess a few of his coworkers had worked there before moving, and they spoke highly of the place. This was years and years ago, though, so the culture may have changed a bit.

Mr. Funny Pants
Apr 9, 2001



toadee posted:

I'm surprised that concern for jockey safety, let alone even a modicum of compassion for the horses hasn't caused more to be done by now.

Go to TVIV and read the last five or so pages of the thread for the HBO show Luck. They were recently canceled because of low ratings and that they managed to have three horses die during production.

There's a lot of people in that thread and elsewhere more or less hand waving the deaths of the horses. Everything from, "Real racing is worse," to "poo poo happens." I've pointed out that a shitload of movies have managed to do big horse racing scenes and not hurt a single horse, doesn't seem to get through.

toadee
Aug 16, 2003

North American Turtle Boy Love Association

DivineCoffeeBinge posted:

According to the article's track-by-track breakdown, Saratoga has a just-barely-above-average rate of incidents.

Sadly, average is probably way higher than it could/should be as well, if the article is to be believed.

leokitty
Apr 5, 2005

Well I had to phone his friend to state my case, and say he's lost control again.

And he showed up all the errors and mistakes, and said I've lost control again.

toadee posted:

This story is really, really depressing but is absolutely well written and seemingly researched. I know literally nothing about horse racing at all, so I suppose it could be inaccurate about some things and I wouldn't really know, but, to paraphrase the equine medicine doctor in the article "We lose a really disproportionate number of horses. You don't see Olympic athletes snap their legs in half while running track and field, but it happens all the time with our horses." Something is definitely hosed up with the way that industry runs and I'm surprised that concern for jockey safety, let alone even a modicum of compassion for the horses hasn't caused more to be done by now.

You know how English Bulldogs are hosed up because of how people started breeding them for certain traits that aren't conducive to health? Same thing happened to racing horses.

Swagger Dagger
Dec 13, 2010

You are not machines. You are not cattle. You are men. You have the love of humanity in your hearts. You don't hate, only the unloved hate. Only the unloved and the unnatural.


leokitty posted:

You know how English Bulldogs are hosed up because of how people started breeding them for certain traits that aren't conducive to health? Same thing happened to racing horses.

Also racing them on cocaine, viagra, and various painkillers if that article is at all accurate.

toadee
Aug 16, 2003

North American Turtle Boy Love Association

Yah I imagine even with genetically hosed up joints, a horse not on 80 pounds of painkiller can probably figure out that today is not a good day to run.

Nut Bunnies
May 24, 2005



I'm not going to link it because he's a worthless Tigers homer hack that doesn't deserve the page views, but Jon Morosi just wrote a column about how Dodgers fans should and will be thankful and grateful to Frank McCourt for selling the team to Magic Johnson

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



the gently caress

edit: it does kind of fit in with the present narrative, You People Should Be Grateful That The Rich Magnanimously gently caress You

haljordan
Oct 22, 2004

the corpse of god is love.


Nut Bunnies posted:

I'm not going to link it because he's a worthless Tigers homer hack that doesn't deserve the page views, but Jon Morosi just wrote a column about how Dodgers fans should and will be thankful and grateful to Frank McCourt for selling the team to Magic Johnson

I'm pretty sure Dodgers fans would be happy with McCourt selling the team to literally anyone else, including Stalin's corpse.

ayn rand hand job
Sep 10, 2008

   'Cause she's so high
      High above me,
       she's so lovely
           
     - Everclear


quote:

From this day forward, when Dodgers fans see Frank McCourt around town, the word before “you” will be “thank.”

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



is that really a quote from that article

leokitty
Apr 5, 2005

Well I had to phone his friend to state my case, and say he's lost control again.

And he showed up all the errors and mistakes, and said I've lost control again.

KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

is that really a quote from that article

If it's not in his article it's definitely how he presented the link to it on twitter. I didn't click through after that because...no.

ayn rand hand job
Sep 10, 2008

   'Cause she's so high
      High above me,
       she's so lovely
           
     - Everclear


KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

is that really a quote from that article

Yes

edit:

a better summary of the article: a growing

nasboat
Sep 9, 2004



crossposting from the NCAAB N/V thread because this article is not good

Chuck Klosterman should probably stick to writing about North Dakota and The Real World and 80's metal.

Chuck Klosterman posted:

Now, I'm not suggesting that every single college will turn into a clone of Kentucky, because that's impossible. There aren't enough good players in America for that to happen. But Calipari's scheme will become standard at a handful of universities where losing at basketball is unacceptable: North Carolina, Syracuse, Kansas, UCLA, and maybe even Duke. These schools already recruit one-and-done freshmen, but they'll have to go further; they'll have to be as transparent about their motives as Calipari is (because transparency is the obsession of modernity). If they resist, they will fade. And the result will be a radical amplification of what the game has already become: There will be five schools sharing the 25 best players in the country, and all the lesser programs will kill each other for the right to lose to those five schools in the Sweet 16. It will skew the competitive balance of major conferences and split D-I basketball into two completely unequal tiers. Final Four games will look more and more like sloppy pro games, and national interest in college basketball will wane (even if the level of play technically increases).5 In 10 years, it might be a niche sport for people like me — people who can't get over the past.

Kentucky totally deserves to win. But I sure hope they don't.

What sort of loving world is he living in where college basketball isn't already pretty drat close to what he described? Also this is the same tripe that people said when they instituted the one-and-done rule and college basketball seems fine to me. This just comes off as so whiny, like he has some vision of a basketball utopia that we all used to enjoy (but also has never existed in America, like, ever.)

haljordan
Oct 22, 2004

the corpse of god is love.


nasboat posted:

crossposting from the NCAAB N/V thread because this article is not good

Chuck Klosterman should probably stick to writing about North Dakota and The Real World and 80's metal.


What sort of loving world is he living in where college basketball isn't already pretty drat close to what he described? Also this is the same tripe that people said when they instituted the one-and-done rule and college basketball seems fine to me. This just comes off as so whiny, like he has some vision of a basketball utopia that we all used to enjoy (but also has never existed in America, like, ever.)

Yeah I'm having a hard time figuring out how Calipari is destroying college basketball. By recruiting highly-ranked high school players and being heavily favored to win the tournament? Also hasn't Kentucky been at the elite level for decades now?

edit:

quote:

Because sports has clearly run off the rails when possibly the worst owner ever can walk off counting his billions. McCourt is the equivalent of a 16-year-old handed the keys to a Lamborghini, driving it around Los Angeles on two wheels at 90 m.p.h. before careening into a spectacular wreck — and then someone handed him $2 billion for the pile of parts and the hood ornament.

http://bats.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/...67E92B5A6AAA755

haljordan fucked around with this message at Mar 28, 2012 around 22:31

OctoberBlues
May 8, 2009


I don't know, I kind of agreed with the Klosterman article. No coach is more blatant about doing whatever he can to build teams of one and dones with hardly any real continuity from year to year. And his critics always bring up that he has never won it all, saying that maybe it's not as simple as Calipari is trying to make it.

I disagree with the doom and gloom portion (nor do I think we are that close to it already - Butler was a missed three from winning the championship two years ago and Butler and VCU were in the Final Four last year) - but I do think it will make it easier for UNC or Kansas or whoever to field a team of all freshman studs who are guaranteed to leave the next year with less public or fan outcry. (edit: not that that is inherently bad either - it's just an effect I think you would see)

OctoberBlues fucked around with this message at Mar 29, 2012 around 02:10

MourningView
Sep 2, 2006


Fucked around, got a triple double


OctoberBlues posted:

I don't know, I kind of agreed with the Klosterman article. No coach is more blatant about doing whatever he can to build teams of one and dones with hardly any real continuity from year to year.

He very well may be breaking NCAA rules to get these guys, but I will never understand why people think signing guys who leave early is immoral in its own right. Those guys leave early for the draft because they're really good basketball players, and every coach in the country would want them. There's no one out there who is turning away Anthony Davis because he's worried about it wrecking continuity. Calipari just happens to be a lot better than everyone else at recruiting.

And while he hasn't won a title, to act like his approach hasn't been really successful is just crazy. Only one team a year can win the whole thing, to have been as consistently successful and in the chase every single year like he has is pretty incredible.

MourningView fucked around with this message at Mar 29, 2012 around 04:57

Rousimar Pauladeen
Feb 27, 2007

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ButtView posted:

He very well may be breaking NCAA rules to get these guys, but I will never understand why people think signing guys who leave early is immoral in its own right. Those guys leave early for the draft because they're really good basketball players, and every coach in the country would want them. There's no one out there who is turning away Anthony Davis because he's worried about it wrecking continuity. Calipari just happens to be a lot better than everyone else at recruiting.

And while he hasn't won a title, to act like his approach hasn't been really successful is just crazy. Only one team a year can win the whole thing, to have been as consistently successful and in the chase every single year like he has is pretty incredible.

Reminder that when the NCAA instituted the idiotic 5/8 rule and coaches brought up people leaving early the NCAA said "well don't recruit players who leave early."

haljordan
Oct 22, 2004

the corpse of god is love.


Stan Van Gundy is great:

quote:

It is often easy, especially in March, to get carried away when talking about college basketball. The hype surrounding the N.C.A.A. tournament can tend to be all-encompassing.

So it was a welcome change when Stan Van Gundy, the Orlando Magic’s coach, injected some sanity into the discourse Wednesday.

When asked about comments made by Gary Williams, the former Maryland coach who said Kentucky could beat the Washington Wizards, Van Gundy did not hold back.

“Look, it’s absurd,” he told reporters before the Magic’s game against the Knicks. “I mean, people will say, ‘Oh, Kentucky, you know, has got four N.B.A. players.’ Yeah, well the other team’s got 13.”

http://offthedribble.blogs.nytimes....C010146B0D269AD

OrangeKing
Dec 4, 2002

They don't play in October.


haljordan posted:

Stan Van Gundy is great:


http://offthedribble.blogs.nytimes....C010146B0D269AD

You have to love that argument. "Oh sure, Kentucky (and teams like them) will occasionally lose games to teams that are less talented but older and more experienced, but certainly they could beat a team that's more talented AND more experienced and regularly competes against far better teams than they are!"

On the other hand, since it's not football, at least I can envision a really good college team not necessarily going 0-82 in a full NBA season. Maybe. Which Van Gundy actually points out, too, so he's got all the bases covered there.

OrangeKing fucked around with this message at Mar 29, 2012 around 15:33

haljordan
Oct 22, 2004

the corpse of god is love.


OrangeKing posted:

You have to love that argument. "Oh sure, Kentucky (and teams like them) will occasionally lose games to teams that are less talented but older and more experienced, but certainly they could beat a team that's more talented AND more experienced and regularly competes against far better teams than they are!"

On the other hand, since it's not football, at least I can envision a really good college team not necessarily going 0-82 in a full NBA season. Maybe. Which Van Gundy actually points out, too, so he's got all the bases covered there.

Yeah I could see a college team playing much better against a pro team in basketball rather than in football. If Alabama played the Jacksonville Jaguars, they'd still lose by forty touchdowns.

haljordan fucked around with this message at Mar 29, 2012 around 16:07

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nice mattimer
Mar 3, 2008

the wind that shakes the buttcheeks


What's the general opinion about fannation? I always find myself there when I'm browsing SI and even though they have a Tebow story every day and their blurbs are short, I get a lot of info out of them and their comments section isn't ridiculous to read through.

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