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http://grantland.com/the-triangle/the-nfl-statistical-crystal-ball-what-2014s-numbers-can-tell-us-about-2015/ Saying every Bill Barnwell column is the same is almost as tired as any given Bill Barnwell column, but this is the Platonic ideal.
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Where do people get this notion that employees can't (or shouldn't) lose their jobs for misconduct outside the workplace? It happens all the time, in many different fields.
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hcreight posted:Where do people get this notion that employees can't (or shouldn't) lose their jobs for misconduct outside the workplace? It happens all the time, in many different fields. I think the notion is you shouldn't punish someone at 27 for things that they did when they were 15, which doesn't strike me as that heinous of position. I think whats different here is the particular role this guy held which to me is pretty relevant, but I mostly don't care.
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hcreight posted:Where do people get this notion that employees can't (or shouldn't) lose their jobs for misconduct outside the workplace? It happens all the time, in many different fields. Considering who's involved, I think there's an anti-government thing where they're taking the position that the government shouldn't be involved in an internal family matter.
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Alain Post posted:Considering who's involved, I think there's an anti-government thing where they're taking the position that the government shouldn't be involved in an internal family matter. How is the government involved?
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Lockback posted:I think the notion is you shouldn't punish someone at 27 for things that they did when they were 15, which doesn't strike me as that heinous of position. I think whats different here is the particular role this guy held which to me is pretty relevant, but I mostly don't care. Yeah, as repugnant as I may find the behavior of the Family Research Council, it's completely understandable why they wouldn't want a confirmed child molester as an executive. Kornheiser acting like it was some sort of violation to make what Duggar did public is obscene, regardless.
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hcreight posted:Yeah, as repugnant as I may find the behavior of the Family Research Council, it's completely understandable why they wouldn't want a confirmed child molester as an executive. Kornheiser acting like it was some sort of violation to make what Duggar did public is obscene, regardless. In alot of countries, making public a crime someone committed as a minor is itself against the law. I know absolutely nothing about this case or who this guy is beyond the fact he was found guilty of child molestation as a 15 year old (which I found out 10 minutes ago), but many many reasonable countries (including my own) have decided that publishing the names of juvenile offenders is a crime in and of itself.
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The B_36 posted:In alot of countries, making public a crime someone committed as a minor is itself against the law. I know absolutely nothing about this case or who this guy is beyond the fact he was found guilty of child molestation as a 15 year old (which I found out 10 minutes ago), but many many reasonable countries (including my own) have decided that publishing the names of juvenile offenders is a crime in and of itself. An untreated and unpunished child molester is dangerous to every child they interact with, it's unfortunate for him (assuming/hoping that he actually stopped) but how else can you handle a situation where someone knowingly covers up serial child molestation than to make it public? hcreight posted:Where do people get this notion that employees can't (or shouldn't) lose their jobs for misconduct outside the workplace? It happens all the time, in many different fields. There are two ways to make this argument; one good, one horrible. The horrible one is an appeal to liberalism that lasts exactly as long as the person being punished belongs to the same subculture or espouses similar beliefs to you. It often presents as a cowardly way of agreeing with whatever the person said/did without having to actually put your name behind it. In this case, I'm willing to believe Kornheiser doesn't actually support child molestation, but perhaps he does support the White Evangelical subculture's tendency to cover up rape and abuse as a matter for the family or church to work out and yet is smart enough to know that he can't say "it's fine if you report molestation to your church elders and keep the cops out of it" without getting fired himself. The good point is this: since we steadfastly refuse to provide a humane standard of living for the poor in America, and since employees in the majority of fields have little or no power and job security (and increasing automation is likely to do little but exacerbate this trend), our particular historical context means that employers who are empowered to fire for off-the-job behavior are able to exercise almost complete control over the lives of their employees. I think we can, subjectively, see a pretty clear line in between "you were a serial child molester" and "you shoplifted once," but we have to be very careful with how we justify it from a legal and even moral standpoint. We don't want to say "he's a criminal" because 1) criminals are human beings who deserve the chance to rehabilitate and have a good life, 2) it makes no distinction between different crimes, and 3) this guy was never even tried, let alone convicted. Similarly, "he's bad for PR" justifies firing him, but it would also justify firing someone from some jobs if they came out as gay, and I'd like to assume none of us support that. Of course, we would like to say that people should not be forced to employ someone. The way to split this Gordian knot is to ensure that a job isn't a prerequisite for decent food, a home, transportation, baseline amenities, etc. Plus additionally it would be best to abolish the idea of an employer altogether and institute Full Communism. But until then, it's necessary to be very cautious about what power we're willing to allow bosses to wield against their employees.
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So the solution to the Jim Bob Bubaloo Duggar problem is not "going through the actual proper channels at the time it happened instead of covering it all up due to personal connections", it's "Full Communism now". Huh?
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Hmm well the post starts off talking about the Duggar guy and ends up mentioning communism, I guess the middle must be relating pedophilia to communism.
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Mornacale posted:Hmm well the post starts off talking about the Duggar guy and ends up mentioning communism, I guess the middle must be relating pedophilia to communism. People would be more sympathetic to the son if he had actually received treatment for what he did when he was 14/15 instead of being sent to a Fundamentalist Christian "treatment" facility in which he received almost no actual treatment and the founder of which himself may have sexually assaulted thirty women and girls. On top of it, he was saying that homosexuals and others were dangers to children when he himself had molested children and the acts had for all intents and purposes been covered up. Also, there's no evidence that he was ever apologetic for what he did until what he did became public. He was even caught cracking incest jokes on the Duggars' TV show. What Josh Duggar has gone through has nothing to do with any normal employment situation that can be solved by Marxism or Leninism. I wasn't relating or equating pedophilia to Communism. Yank your loving head out of your rear end. Crazy Ted fucked around with this message at 03:04 on May 27, 2015 |
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I'm sorry about mentioning the government in the first place, god drat
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straight up brolic posted:it's insanely good when you get a homegrown hot take in the hot takes thread Just like Josh Duggar got a homegrown hot...
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Bip Roberts posted:Just like Josh Duggar got a homegrown hot...
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Welcome, to the communism MEGATHREAD
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Alain Post posted:Welcome, to the communism MEGATHREAD
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I legitimately want to buy this shirt because it's sick nothing screams the soviet union like the grungy early 90s look
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Crazy Ted posted:Stalin totally cheered for the Cincinnati Reds.
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straight up brolic posted:while putin prefers the albuquerque isotopes Crazy Ted fucked around with this message at 03:38 on May 27, 2015 |
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The most Darren Rovell thing happened
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Why are sports people talking about Duggar Why is Duggar a hot take sports magnet What is Duggar
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I am not sure what any of that had to do with sports but in the future please do not use SAS as a depository for your Poli Sci 101 rants.
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Spoeank posted:The most Darren Rovell thing happened
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Spoeank posted:The most Darren Rovell thing happened I like him too.
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Billy Haisley, word salad champion of Deadspin, just posted an article that opens with the following sentence:quote:It’s maybe a little disconcerting that Real Madrid—a players’ club if there ever was one; one where the 8th-biggest name on the team sheet likely holds more sway in the future direction of the club than any of the ever-changing coaches thrown aboard then unceremoniously shoved off the managerial merry-go-round after only a spin or two, left lying on the grass with the world spinning around them, unsure whether to be upset about getting kicked off before getting up to full speed or to be happy knowing that the sooner they got off, the quicker their brains would realign with the Earth’s natural rotation—had a locker room full of stars who repeatedly and without reservation vouched for their soon-to-be- (and yesterday, actually-) canned manager Carlo Ancelotti to no avail. I had to read this about eight times to figure out what he was trying to say. What is it about La Liga writers that leads to ridiculous prose? (see: Lowe, Sid)
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Crazy Ted posted:Billy Haisley, word salad champion of Deadspin, just posted an article that includes the following sentence: Jesus christ
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Alain Post posted:Jesus christ
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Even if you don't attend games it doesn't make sense to me. I cheer for New York teams because I am from here and live here. I have zero connection to Manchester, London, Madrid, Liverpool, Barcelona, etc. It's hard to fake enthusiasm for a team that feels so removed. Anyway I'm just rambling.
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Crazy Ted posted:Yes, because he thinks going to live sporting events serves no purpose unless they're of a certain level or higher. Sounds like a bad dumb man who will never know how much minor league baseball rules.
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