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Arcsquad12 posted:Vulture Droids are basically the same as macross valkyries. Even have three separate movment configurations They are, come to think of it. JJ, in the next Star Wars movie, put VF-1 Valkyries in it. Or at least X-Wings that have a gerwalk mode. Do it, JJ. They have the technology. A TIE Walker with legs that fold up during flight would be cool, but this is the Empire after all and they're too cheap to even put shields on their ships, so transforming mecha is way out of the question for them. It would also be cool if TIE Interceptors' wings folded upwards when they land. Or if they were in the new movie at all. I'm kinda sad they just have eyeballs and no dupes or squints. =(
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I'm going to have to remember to stay off the internet for a while come Christmastime. My stupid cousin insisted on getting married on the 18th.
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Has anybody else read through this Ring Theory idea about the prequels? It's pretty huge for an internet article and idk if it's necessarily worth it, but I read it all for some reason and would be curious to know what other people thought of it. I've thought about SW a fair amount but this frame really does putsa lot of pieces together, especially in the prequels, that illustrate at least a logic to things I hadn't seen before. It is impressive, but I'm not sure it makes me appreciate the movies any more. While it does redeem him from seeming like quite such a doofus, it still makes it look like Lucas made a lot of weird choices in the prequels that were only justified by an internal logic that doesn't add up to anything particularly effective. It's an intricately planned structure with a minute attention to detail for no worthwhile end, and it seems like he sacrificed making prequels as good as they could be in order to build this ambitious esoteric narrative structure.
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Megachile posted:Has anybody else read through this Ring Theory idea about the prequels? It's pretty huge for an internet article and idk if it's necessarily worth it, but I read it all for some reason and would be curious to know what other people thought of it. I ran across this a while back, probably in the other (Cinema Discusso) Star Wars thread. It's a neat idea, and for all I know it could be exactly what George was doing all along. At the very least, the site spells out some parallels in the films that I'd never noticed before. But while reading it, I kept finding myself reminded of that list of amazing coincidences that happen when you listen to Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon while watching The Wizard of Oz. If you compare sufficiently complex things, you can find all sorts of spurious correlations if you look hard enough.
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Yeah, sometimes it's hard to suss out how much of the Ring Theory stuff is genuine intention or happenstance. That said, I like it and it does provide a way of looking at the prequels that makes them not terrible. But you still have to look over the stiff acting and awful dialogue. The Ring Theory author is supposedly going to address those criticisms at some point in the future but who knows. It still makes a compelling case for the structure and shot composition in the prequels. It just doesn't automatically make them great movies.
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Powered Descent posted:But while reading it, I kept finding myself reminded of that list of amazing coincidences that happen when you listen to Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon while watching The Wizard of Oz. If you compare sufficiently complex things, you can find all sorts of spurious correlations if you look hard enough. The obvious counterpoint being that the Star Wars movies were all made by the same guy and he's acknowledged this deliberate parallelism in public.
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Interesting take on the trailer... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fDlPI1vI2A
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Gammatron 64 posted:They are, come to think of it. He's only working on The Force Awakens.
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Happy Hippo posted:He's only working on The Force Awakens. He's at least a producer on VIII.
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Arcsquad12 posted:This is the book that started the feud between Karen Traviss and Troy Denning and is possibly one of the worst novels in the entire EU. You have a pissing match between two authors (lol Mandalorians suck oops all your pet characters are dead fuk u!), a thirty year old Tahiri dressing as a dominatrix and sexually assaulting a 14 year old Ben, then murdering his friend in front of him, Luke Skywalker being a callous jackass who lets Mandalorians and Alliance forces all die for his own ends. Jacen cripples Mirta Gev and then virus bombs Mandalore to kill all the Republic Commando characters, the ridiculously bloody fight scenes which include but are not limited to: A Mandalorian getting his armor crunched into his chest, Jaina hacking Jacen's arm off with a machete (which spurts blood everywhere that Jacen uses bullshit force powers to track Jaina with by making the stains not come out), and a final duel in the incinerator room of a Star Destroyer where Jacen falls into a box of used syringes before getting dumped into a crematorium fire. This book is amazing, and should be recognized as (or alongside) the BotM.
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Hey, I think someone in this thread had a list of recommended Clone Wars episodes to watch. Does anyone have that post saved, by chance?
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MrMojok posted:Hey, I think someone in this thread had a list of recommended Clone Wars episodes to watch. Does anyone have that post saved, by chance? This list served me well. http://areyoubadenough.blogspot.com/2015/03/the-essential-clone-wars-episodes.html?m=1
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Nov 25, 2015 05:23
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The Mandalore episodes are when I realized that I loved the show.
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Casimir Radon posted:The Mandalore episodes are when I realized that I loved the show. I think what I loved best about the Mandalore episodes is that they didn't actually contradict the Traviss novels, and made the planet more interesting. I'm a big proponent of the Mandalorians in the EU, because they have been different things to different people (my personal favorite version are the Clan Ordo badasses from KOTOR 2). I'd argue that the sheer variation of Mandalorian customs is what makes them so endearing to me, because much as some authors try to cram them into one stereotype, they are really a much more multicultural society than people give them credit for. What is it about Mandalorians that is similar across all their interpretations? The Armor. And that's it. The Mandalorians have been space mongols, Maori tribals, hardened mercenaries, agrarian farmers, industrial moguls, warring celtic clans, and as of TCW, hardline reactionaries to their violent past. You have the planetary capital of Sundari where the peaceful Mandalorians live, the isolationist clans use Keldabe in the northern reaches, Death Watch owns Concordia, and so on. I also really love how the Mandalorian issue was not solved. My favorite episode of the whole show is the one where Satine is being stalked by a Death Watch sniper on Coruscant, and the dude gets away in the end! And then Mandalore dissolves into a massive civil war as the Maul aligned Mandalorians go to war with the Death Watch holdouts as well as the New Mandalorians, and we don't see the conclusion. Apart from the two horrible episodes about the poisoned tea and Satine's nephew Scooby Doo episode, the Mandalore episodes just show the slow decline of the pacifist movement. I loved when Satine was imprisoned and had the conversation with Almec who basically told her she was an idiot for thinking she could change who the Mandalorians are, and that corruption was necessary to keep the illusion of their perfect pacifist society alive.
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The best part of the Mandalore episodes was that they named Obi-Wan's ex girlfriend Satine.
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Moose King posted:The best part of the Mandalore episodes was that they named Obi-Wan's ex girlfriend Satine. They had Sy Snootles parody Kate Capshaw, so let's have Obi-Wan break out into Baz Lurman musical numbers. EDIT: on that note, playing Fallout 4 I heard the original Cole Porter version of Anything Goes. Those are some funny lyrics.
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i81icu812 posted:This book is amazing, and should be recognized as (or alongside) the BotM. The visual image of two terribad authors engaged in the literary-equivalent of a playground slapfight and shouting about who's Super-Shield beats who, all while tracking mud and dog-poo poo over any decent part of the setting, is the most  part of the old EU, with the death of Trioculus being a close second.
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You can meet Darth Vader and Chewbacca at Disneyland right now. They both talk, too - of course Chewbacca speaks Wookiee, while Vader communicates through a set of stock phrases. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7jdDnCGbeg
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Moose King posted:The best part of the Mandalore episodes was that they named Obi-Wan's ex girlfriend Satine. Nah, the legit best bit is when the one Death Watch spy is in a stand-off with Obi-Wan where he has Satine as a prisoner, and he's all, "You can kill me, Jedi, but you will betray everything your beloved duchess stands for!" and then Anakin comes up behind him and stabs him through the back while they play the Imperial March in the background.
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Wheat Loaf posted:Nah, the legit best bit is when the one Death Watch spy is in a stand-off with Obi-Wan where he has Satine as a prisoner, and he's all, "You can kill me, Jedi, but you will betray everything your beloved duchess stands for!" and then Anakin comes up behind him and stabs him through the back while they play the Imperial March in the background.
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Wheat Loaf posted:Nah, the legit best bit is when the one Death Watch spy is in a stand-off with Obi-Wan where he has Satine as a prisoner, and he's all, "You can kill me, Jedi, but you will betray everything your beloved duchess stands for!" and then Anakin comes up behind him and stabs him through the back while they play the Imperial March in the background. That's my favorite part too. Satine and Obi-Wan are shocked by this turn of events, and Anakin is all "What? What'd I miss?"
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It's funny you mention that episode, but I've been watching through Clone Wars as I never have, and I just watched that episode. It was the first episode where I went "hey, you know, that was pretty good."
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SirPhoebos posted:The visual image of two terribad authors engaged in the literary-equivalent of a playground slapfight and shouting about who's Super-Shield beats who, all while tracking mud and dog-poo poo over any decent part of the setting, is the most At least, Trioculus' death made for hilarious Let's Read-ing and did not impact the setting much outside of its little nutty moffsphere. The DNT-LOTF-FOTJ sequence, on the other hand, did a number on the political side, the Jedi side, the SkySolo side...
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You forgot Crucible on that list. What is it with Troy Denning torturing his characters?
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Arcsquad12 posted:You forgot Crucible on that list. What is it with Troy Denning torturing his characters? He saw all the acclaim that Stover got for putting Jason through the wringer in Traitor but only copied the surface details.
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Crucible is really the best thing he's written. Might not be saying much, but there it is. I'm surprised Lucasfilm didn't demand rewrites so he'd have to wrap thibgs up like he was supposed to. I bought Battlefront because I'm a dork. I wish they'd have gone to the trouble to make a single player game too.
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Gammatron 64 posted:While we're on the subject of Gundam, you know, honest to God mobile suits probably wouldn't be all that out of place in the Star Wars universe. They already have walkers. And droids. Maybe pull a Macross and have your starfighters become robots. I would be okay with mechs in Star Wars and actually kind of want them. I would not be at all surprised if we've seen a Sith use a lightsaber that emits a curved beam and puts it on the end of a staff so it's effectively a Scythe by the end of Episode IX, and whatever side-movies they do before IX is released.
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Casimir Radon posted:Crucible is really the best thing he's written. Might not be saying much, but there it is. I'm surprised Lucasfilm didn't demand rewrites so he'd have to wrap thibgs up like he was supposed to. Never read Crucible but I'd say his best novel (of those I've read - Star By Star, Dark Nest and LOTF) was Tatooine Ghost.
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Tatooine Ghost is actually pretty interesting, in concept if not so much in execution. Luke and Leia reconnecting with Anakin's childhood is a good hook.
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Arcsquad12 posted:This is the book that started the feud between Karen Traviss and Troy Denning and is possibly one of the worst novels in the entire EU. You have a pissing match between two authors (lol Mandalorians suck oops all your pet characters are dead fuk u!), a thirty year old Tahiri dressing as a dominatrix and sexually assaulting a 14 year old Ben, then murdering his friend in front of him, Luke Skywalker being a callous jackass who lets Mandalorians and Alliance forces all die for his own ends. Jacen cripples Mirta Gev and then virus bombs Mandalore to kill all the Republic Commando characters, the ridiculously bloody fight scenes which include but are not limited to: A Mandalorian getting his armor crunched into his chest, Jaina hacking Jacen's arm off with a machete (which spurts blood everywhere that Jacen uses bullshit force powers to track Jaina with by making the stains not come out), and a final duel in the incinerator room of a Star Destroyer where Jacen falls into a box of used syringes before getting dumped into a crematorium fire.
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Casimir Radon posted:Crucible is really the best thing he's written. Might not be saying much, but there it is. I'm surprised Lucasfilm didn't demand rewrites so he'd have to wrap thibgs up like he was supposed to. I thought Denning said that the version of Crucible which came out was the one that he specifically rewrote the ending to to give it "closure".
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Wheat Loaf posted:Never read Crucible but I'd say his best novel (of those I've read - Star By Star, Dark Nest and LOTF) was Tatooine Ghost. Star by Star made me cry my little eyes out as a kid. The premise of Tatooine Ghost sounds good at least, I'll have to check it out.
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I think that in Star By Star you have the apotheosis of the NJO (not saying it's the best book in the series, just that it's the New Jedi Orderest of the New Jedi Order), foreshadowing the kind of shock value edginess that became par for course in Dark Nest and LOTF.
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Sushi in Yiddish posted:Was really hoping this was just a joke post but man did the EU get crazy before the acquisition Hmm, I'm not sure it really "got" crazy. It started with the... -odd- Splinter... then there was the old Marvels, what with space rabbits and wildly varying wackyness and Alan Moore and all, and the Lando trilogy (crystals and space whales and magic libertarian aesops) and when the EU became a full-fledged thing there was three-eyed polluters and dark greetings, not to forget Goosebumps IN SPACE or some of the more colorful Tales of the Old Republic. I don't think I can remember an era without some out-there things. That is to say, ALL HAIL WARU. That said, I do agree the main storyline got quite off the rails in its later years.
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ecureuilmatrix posted:not to forget Goosebumps IN SPACE There's some YA book series that was just announced to start next year that sounds like it's going to be the new version of Galaxy of Fear. http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Adventures_in_Wild_Space
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Wheat Loaf posted:Nah, the legit best bit is when the one Death Watch spy is in a stand-off with Obi-Wan where he has Satine as a prisoner, and he's all, "You can kill me, Jedi, but you will betray everything your beloved duchess stands for!" and then Anakin comes up behind him and stabs him through the back while they play the Imperial March in the background. Can I have an episode number running time that occurs in?
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gfanikf posted:Can I have an episode number running time that occurs in? Season 2, Voyage of Temptation. Follows Mandalore Plot and precedes my favorite episode, Duchess of Mandalore. (Seriously watch Duchess of Mandalore it's loving excellent. Has some Ralph McQuarrie are in it as well.)
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Is clone wars still up on Netflix streaming? I've been meaning to check back on the later seasons after hearing the show's writing was pretty good. Read a long rear end review of the last legacy of the force books and no wonder Disney decided to dump the vast majority of the EU.
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Sushi in Yiddish posted:Is clone wars still up on Netflix streaming? I've been meaning to check back on the later seasons after hearing the show's writing was pretty good. Yep, everything except the film is up on Netflix. Just keep in mind that the first season and a half or so is going to pitching a lot younger than the rest of it. Right around the midpoint of season 2 was when the team was able to start incorporating feedback from the airing of season 1. The cutesy nicknames vanish, the battle droid banter is reduced., etc.
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So I'm rewatching the movies from 1-6, and I'm on episode 2. So the kaminoans have been building this army for about ten years. Have they also been building all the starships and weapons and stuff too? Or did they contract it out? In which case, wouldn't someone notice a shipyard building a fuckton of warships?
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