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I kind of like that they sort of bother to bring in Dathomir and it even -- sort of -- sounds like it works for the characters, but how lame is it that they don't have the creativity to do something new that doesn't contradict previous works?Stultus Maximus posted:Where do the NPR radio dramas fit in with canon? There is a new classification of Canon called Pretty drat Awesome Canon (PDA-Canon) that overwrites the other levels of canon.
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Angry Midwesterner posted:I was watching the RLM review of Episode II again, and it hit me: When Anakin formally turns to the dark side in RotS he tells Palpatine "I will do whatever you ask." I thought this was a pretty neat find and I posted it right before the last thread closed, so here ya go. Films like this, and people got worked up over Mando gay marriage?
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Dave Filoni posted:That's always a very good day. 'Oh, not Jar-Jar today? Oh, very good!' Put this is the OP.
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T-1000 posted:That book was written over a decade later. It's his hand and saber. It might have been little kid logic, but I always figured it was his blaster falling out of its holster because he landed upside down. I mean, there was a good minute of talking with Vader after he lost the hand. I'd expect it would have fallen far out of sight by then.
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This feels like a Make Fun of TFN day. Let's see what those neckbeards are  over during Celebration...Robimus finds a way to be butthurt over the announcement of a new Wraith Squadron book. Robimus posted:I'm a little underwhelmed. Even people who kind of make points I agree with are just terrible. With terrible usernames, too. NelanisGhost posted:The way things are, I really am fading as a fan, after many years.
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Aug 16, 2010 04:56
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Nucleic Acids posted:I really have to wonder how the people around her took that. She hadn't even seen the films before being hired to write RC books. In fact, I think she may have said she hadn't even seen the OT until after writing the first one.
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Aug 17, 2010 19:00
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http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Owen_%28Kenobi%29 Those loving sperglords. I love their warped view of canon. It's obvious that "Owen" being Obi-Wan's brother was entirely the product of the original idea that it was Luke's Uncle Owen. So in a minor "junior Jedi" book, now that this has been re-conned it makes no sense but they still treat it as inerrant gospel. Their sourcing and rules are totally abysmal. And now they've got me freaking out over it, but only because they won't own up to being a bunch of loving  fanboys and try to dress it up as some definitive encyclopedia.Also, while I agree with most of the criticisms of Karen Traviss earlier in the thread, many of them are way too as well.
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Aug 17, 2010 22:49
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Throb Robinson posted:The baddie in the book teaches Luke how there is no Light and Dark Side. Only a Dark Side with no light side at all. Its really depressing and talks about how entropy is the only constant of life. The kicker of it all is at the end Luke figures out how there is a Light and Dark side in the philosophy the Baddie spouts. Those few pages about the light side are one of the best the EU has to offer. Don't forget how the bad guy, in true mustache twirling fashion, tries to Force-possess Leia only to find out that she is way more of a unbreakable than even Luke is.
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Aug 18, 2010 05:23
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Throb Robinson posted:If your going to mention the Mustache twirling you have to mention the fact that the dude is being a Stereotypical evil villain on purpose. The baddie is very self aware of the fact he is playing the role of the bad guy to Luke and Company. I didn't mean it like a bad thing in this instance, because LSATSOM is all about the pulp.
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Aug 18, 2010 19:50
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Bene Elim posted:It's less 'grab the blade' and more 'put up a telekinetic barrier that stops it touching them'. I got the impression Hope Girl was channeling the energy from the blade as it came in contact. Otherwise there's really no need to be grabbing at the blade in the first place, just hold it in place with the Force.
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Bene Elim posted:Stop. Now. The idea that there are different forms using different movements that Jedi practice and that you can see which ones they're using in the films is one of my biggest gripes at the moment. There's more than enough Sperging about them done on various forums, so suffice to say drop them, never talk much about them and never take them seriously. The 'Forms' have grown purely out of the choreographed crap that filled the prequels. Moreover, they mostly all do the same things (at least the opponents do the same types of movements in a fight, natch, since they need to have a matching choreographical scene) in the same fights. The fights themselves change quite a bit over the course of the films, even just the prequels. So forms are mostly an afterthought meant to sell books about lightsaber forms.
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Here is my Geeky Star Wars Question that's really more of a Geeky Star Wars argument but not one I feel like posting on theforce.net for the obvious reasons... How do we account for Yuuzhan Vong society being what it is during the Swarm War? I mean, I know caste system, religious zealotry, yada yada  , but it seems like the only ones who really do anything at all are the shapers. They don't need the warriors to fight anything out in the void between galaxies, and it's the shapers who really control every facet of life by controlling the biotech (meaning everything from clothes to ships). They should naturally become an entrenched uber-caste over the span of the few generations, which is how long they were all in deep space. What's up with EU authors not understanding social forces and dialectic materialism?WhyteRyce posted:Along comes the PT and the EU needed to shoehorn poo poo in and now everyone has a loving story or item from that era Maybe they stumbled upon the Empire's version of the Soviet archives, conveniently not on Coruscant, sometime around the yronic heroism fucked around with this message at 05:56 on Aug 20, 2010 |
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:I wonder what would have happened if George Lucas decided to not do the PT and allowed the EU to cover the years prior to the OT.... Lots of Thrawn stuff. And probably more reasonable extrapolations from the OT than what Lucas gave us, like Anakin would be a decorated adult war hero before training under Obi-Wan (not a problem before Lucas decreed that all Jedi needed to start training as babbies), Leia and Luke's mother wouldn't be a lame democratically elected queen and would survive long enough for Leia to credibly remember her, Yoda wouldn't use a lightsaber, Palpatine wouldn't necessarily be called a Sith, Tatooine would be Obi-Wan's home planet instead of Anakin's, and Owen would still be Obi-Wan's brother, no bullshit about Jedi not having families, Victory class Star Destroyers, Bail Organa would be a kick-rear end general before retiring to politics, we'd loving see poo poo go down on Alderaan, the Clone Wars would probably have both sides with Clones and Palpatine would only be pulling all the strings on the Republic end. And if Zahn wrote it we'd probably have some bullshit about Mara Jade's Jedi parents and Talon Karrde starting out as a small-timer.
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Kemper Boyd posted:The rise of Palpatine is actually more intelligent in the RPG books than how it turned out in the PT. Actually, as I recall it's more or less word-for-word taken from the old 70s novelization, which presumably featured backstory provided by Lucas to his ghost writer. Palpatine just became more an active participant, and less the pawn of various interests and shadowy advisors, at whatever point in the filming of the OT Lucas decided he was going to be an evil space wizard.
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Hey, we were talking about Starfighters of Adumar a little earlier. I remember the first time I read it. Even as a high school student it was obvious that the one superpower nation-state on Adumar was basically an allegorical US and Wedge was leading a UN stand-in to put Space Dubya in his place even though it was written pre-Bush.Throb Robinson posted:Personal theory is that he realized he was in a boring political story. Yeah, Zahn has like Reverse Denning Disorder when it comes plotting Han and Leia arcs.
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Aug 21, 2010 02:51
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Pretty sure Denning's Luke already did that. Better make it an Eclipse-class Star Dreadnaught  to show that it's "unleashed."
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Everyone in the galaxy knows that Luke and Leia are siblings and that Vader was their father. To expand on this, Luke and Leia seem to have been pretty open about being siblings, once they found out. Since these people are like the Charles Lindberg and Princess Di of their galaxy, it stands to reason it would quickly become common knowledge. Not surprisingly, being the offspring of Space Himmler is something they wouldn't broadcast so eagerly. During I, Jedi or the KJA trilogy, Luke shocks his students by owning up to his Sith baby daddy. But in the Black Fleet Crisis, some kick-rear end alien Senator is all "Hold on, we've got Darth Vader's daughter running the government and his son running an organized religion with lightsabers  ?" So within a span of like 10-15 years of the OT the truth comes out.
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Hahahaha! Never change, theforce.net...DarthMRN posted:Becoming an EU scholar takes several years, at best. Even more, when you consider that the more you learn, the more you realize how far you are from being a real EU scholar. Just reading non-stop doesn't make you an EU scholar either. I know people who take that approach, and their understanding is usually faulty in some way, their awareness of crucial, perception-altering details simply lacking in the extreme. The best they bring to the table is the ability to point you vaguely in the right direction for some topic, and a better appreciation of the historical whole of it. Real scholarship requires attention to detail, intimate understanding of continuity, endless cross-referencing, reviewing what you thought you had a grip on in light of new information, and discussion with other scholars to arrive upon viewpoints and ideas you could not reach in a vacuum. That takes far more time than the extremely generous estimates you make. Isn't this "scientist" the guy one of you got probated for calling a moron over there? edit: also, lucked into a trove of sexist early Marvel Star Wars quotes. yronic heroism fucked around with this message at 06:14 on Aug 29, 2010 |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRg-fAh8Hco&feature=relatedsome youtube guy posted:Okay, I made this video when I was 12, in late November of '05. Then, when I was 14, I uploaded it to YouTube. I am now 17...so that's a little less than 3 years ago.Since then, I have been able to accept that this is only a movie mistake, and not something Lucas wanted us to notcie.
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They wouldn't need to execute him if only Mace Windu had heard of a little thing called YSALIMIRI. [/EU Scholar]
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Epi Lepi posted:Don't listen to him, the fat guy in Fanboys was hysterical and Kristen Bell makes everything delicious. Her as Slave Leia at the end of the movie pretty much makes the movie for me and I was enjoying it a lot until then too. The fat guy was just a bargain basement Jack Black. The filmmakers themselves were a third rate Kevin Smiths, and Kevin Smith sucks rear end. Unless that movie was the launch of a porno career for Kristen Bell there's not much going for it.
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His first name had better be "Helen of"...  I actually have several thoughts about the Anakin/Palpatine/Mace confrontation. Obviously it marks the "turning point" for Anakin and the galaxy, so it's the flawed dramatic heart of prequels. And there's just a lot going on there. Much of which is not so good (though still better than most of AotC), but it's at least interesting to watch. For starters, Ian McDiarmid hamming it up awesomely, augmented by whatever they did with his voice when he's all "GOOOOOOOOD!" And the creepy organ music. Finally we see Samuel L. Jackson somewhat pissed off and yelling, his character arguably flirting with the dark side himself. And of course there's dumb poo poo like Palpatine going Super Saiyan and cutting down three Jedi just standing there. And Lucas obviously lost track of what Anakin knows, and what the Jedi don't know (like that Dooku is even a Sith at all, or that the whole war is engineered). But some of that at least lends itself to interesting reinterpretations, and occasionally some competent EU stories to retcon inconsistencies. For example, when Palpatine declares "Every single Jedi, including Kenobi, is now an enemy of the Republic," logically Anakin has to know that's untrue, because he just exposed Palpatine to the Council because he presumably thought that was in the best interests of the Republic (and by George Lucas logic they all know that because Palpatine's a Sith he must have been in league with Dooku, as Obi-Wan tells Padme later on, in which case there's no way that isn't treasonous behavior for an elected leader under any legal definition). Then Palps claims the Jedi will attack the Senate, which is just dumb. I doubt even Lucas could believe that's really the case, and Anakin knows the Jedi well enough to know next time they'll just send forty Jedi to So Palpatine and Anakin both know it's a lie, why bother when it's just the two of them? Maybe we can call this kind of thing Imperial Doublethink, but I see it as a couple of coconspirators rehearsing the story they'll tell the Senate and the John Q. Spacepublic. And Palpatine is also making clear that when he says go to the temple and kill everybody he means everybody, you are now Darth Vader, a new man, so that means no mercy for Obi-Wan or anyone else (no matter how young and how "cute" his stale line delivery is). And, to unpack those implications a little more, it's to reinforce to Anakin that he's now a badguy, and he'll have to do badguy stuff for an evil empire. (Probably more academically this would be labeled "violent socialization.") One of the Allston books, Starfighters of Adumar I think, has Wedge theorize that the Empire chose a bunch of mustache-twirly names for its Star Destroyers to make their crews used to the idea that they're cogs in a giant murder-machine. So that's a nice parallel. Though, to re-iterate, I don't think George put nearly this level of thought into this scene. Though he did have Anakin say the exact same line ("I will do whatever you ask.") to Palps as he did to BDSM-outfit Padme in AotC, so maybe there's more going on behind that stupid loving beard and glasses than we like to think. (This is probably the strongest observation that can be made in support of the claim that the man knows exactly how homoerotic parts of his films can be.) Naturally, the novelization is better, mostly because it gives us more back-and-forth between Mace and Palpatine. The best part is when Palpatine (playing dumb for a secret recording that was apparently planned as part of the film itself because Jorge has a Boomer mad-on for Richard Nixon) asks why he's being arrested. Mace says flatly "You're a Sith Lord." Then Palps is all like (paraphrasing) "You can't prove that, and even if you could we have rules against religious discrimination. It's in something I like to call the constitution" :smugsith: . Novelization also has Anakin offer Obi-Wan a chance to leave before their duel, which I thought was really a good storytelling instinct, though we could argue the film kind of does the same thing, at least implicitly. Anakin seems to make some effort (as far as arch, terrible Lucas dialogue will let him) to persuade Obi-Wan that the Sith are in the right, and suggests that it's possible Obi-Wan could be "with me" instead of "my enemy." And it's Obi-Wan who ultimately insists that they fight and draws his saber first. ... So, that's about my quota of spergin for now. But I'll add that I didn't see the Force lightning thing as all that strange. Just because you can defend against it doesn't mean you can't be overpowered. Even without reading the novel it always seemed like Palpatine was just trying to blast his way past whatever combination of discipline, Force power, and lightsaber-holding Mace used to block. In this case it just didn't work out. (There's also a long and very stupid debate about whether or not Palpatine took a dive in the fight and whether his face physically melted from the lightning or he lost control over some illusion/Force facelift power he always had in place. But I'm not getting into all that. Check the monthly discussions about these topics on theforce.net or wookieepedia if you really loving care.) yronic heroism fucked around with this message at 10:37 on Aug 31, 2010 |
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: No because you see the Emperor was really using this technique call Battle Meditation (TM) the whole time he was talking to Luke, just you can't see it unless you know what to look forraaahghaghahhaha
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Throb Robinson posted:Really I would kill for some EU books written during the GCW. Not before, Not after. During. I can't think of a better way to really ensure "all Han/Luke/Leia, all the time."
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Gynovore posted:This might be a really stupid question, but that's never, ever stopped me before. At the end of RotS, when Palpatine used his Force Lightning and it fried him and made his skin all icky and his voice... pretty darn cool to be honest, anyway when he talked like that, were digital effects used on his voice, or did actor Ian McDiarmid do it himself? I don't know about during the frying, but afterward they almost certainly did something to add a throaty rumble to poo poo like "A powerful Sith you will become..."
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Anyone watch the latest Clone Wars? I like how they had Ventress subtly point out that Grievous doesn't have a cock.
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(Cross-posted from the Clone Wars TV thread.) IIRC the Lucasfilm continuity people, mindful that Jorge is all up in this poo poo and liable to flip everything on its head due to any whim arising from a random burr up his rear end at a given time, and that there's already been pretty heavy saturation of books, comics, and games from before the show came out, won't really try to resolve any Clone Wars timeline questions until after the show runs its course. I'd actually like for them to expand that timeline. Have the Clone Wars last upwards of six years instead of just three and it gives a little more room to play around with the passage of time believably. It also helps mitigate against minor spergy fan stuff like the old retcon of the Clone Wars being way earlier (from the Thrawn books) or Obi-Wan being old as gently caress in ANH.
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The existence of the Yoda lightsaber battles pretty much would render ridiculous any attempts to explain away the tameness of the Episode IV duel.
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Sundered heart.
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Kingtheninja posted:ARG! I just finished Allies today at work. Now I have to actually wait for the books. Normally this would be fine, but all the open plots Allies leaves you with are insane. The temple is still under siege, bwa'too killed by faux-jedi (for what reason?) Abeloth dead etc. My only problem with the ending was Luke and Ben seemed to kind of shrug off the attempt to kill them during the abeloth fight. I mean sure it was expected but they act like it didn't happen after the fact. That sounds like poo poo and I am glad I am so tired right now (of not sleeping and these Star Wars) I'll likely forget it and walk into the shittiness a second time when I eventually get around to reading Allies chapter by chapter at a string of B&Ns.
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ImpAtom posted:Still video games, but apparently not the same kind of video games. Cut to the chase. What does Wedge do in the book?
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I hate to say it, but I think theforce.net spergs are onto something just shortening it to FU. Also, the Death Star plans have been stolen so much I like to think it's a knowing wink from the writer to the fans whenever they do it again. But more than likely it's just them not giving a gently caress all the way to the bank. Big Mean Jerk posted:He's loving Daala, and the latest book ends on a cliffhanger with his death at the hands of supposed jedi. Well at least we now have gender equality for humans loving goat/dog things.
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I really liked the Y-Wing in the old flight sim games. Mainly because the laser canons were side by side so I could take down TIE fighters in one shot.
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Kingtheninja posted:You should have seen the look on my face when the audio book filled my ears with the description of their...relationship. I've only read up through Abyss. Who dropped this bombshell? I want to blame it on Denning but man, Aaron Allston just looks like a furry...
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Wedge never hosed a goat. He hosed a spy. Biggs' reject cousin or whatever is the goatfucker. Wedge did gently caress a bird though. And he did it at least three years before any goat-loving was underway. Then they had the first mutual breakup in Star Wars history. You heard it here first, Jerry Seinfeld is Wedge IRL. I guess that means Luke is George Costanza.
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http://boards.theforce.net/literature/b10003/31286781/p5 When it comes to realizing what terrible bullshit the EU is, they always miss the forest for the trees.
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TF.N is the memory bank that never stops giving (me hemorrhoids). My fave thread in their version of GBS was some teenager starting a thread in mostly caps about how he wanted to join the Army and be God's soldier and he was sure Jesus would never ever let the US do wrong. But then he was sure to attach the addendum that he would never ever EVER think of fighting against Israel. The response, naturally, was pretty positive and supportive. More generally, their political subforum "The Senate Floor," that was a hosed up sight, though to be fair it was like the height of the Bush years. I wonder if they still have their 50 page "Mormons argue with fundie Evangelicals and Catholics" monstrosities. Faerunner posted:And simpering, oppressed nobodies with persecution complexes must speak pretty strongly to leftards? This leftard does think the Rebel Alliance is p cool thanks. Though it's a tie between liking them and liking the Jedi as this unelected elite group who don't believe in private property and who don't blink at taking children as wards of the state. A group that, even though it's basically a bunch of hippies with who see nature as supreme to technological progress still play god with an OMG Slave Army whose creation makes a mockery of the sanctity of life. Good lord, I creamed myself just writing that. tl;dr: Not all political viewpoints are equally dumb. The truth is not in the middle, sorry ner'vode. Edit: We should do something that would seem totally witty for maybe a half hour and appropriate the vode poo poo and ironically call each other "vo".
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I'd say Yarkora but the RPG books tell me they have a charisma bonus. Quarren are pretty goony. And the Ssi-Ruuk are like a species of losers who are psychologially incapable of hard work, right?
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Ask and there's a bunch of Star Wars fans who already hashed it out over a span of months and pestered Leland Chee into writing an article. http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Mask_%28Sith_Alchemy%29
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