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Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

Shimrra Jamaane posted:

That's not true, the MMO is basing its entire plot around the events in KoTOR 2. The entire "True Sith" empire brought up in KoTOR 2 is the enemy in the MMO.

The "True Sith" bit is the only thing related to KOTOR 2 that is being used in the MMO. In the little history videos narrated by Lance Henriksen on the website, which depict the entire history of the Sith, Jedi, Mandalorians, and Republic from the dawn of the Republic up to the timeframe of the MMO, the events of KOTOR 1 are covered exhaustively but literally nothing from KOTOR 2 is covered. Also the True Sith from the MMO are just retconned into being the exact same Sith Empire from TOTJ rather than the more esoteric threat implied by Kreia in KOTOR 2.



Anyway more good Republic Commando news from CV which I didn't see mentioned here (sorry if it was in the other thread and I missed it): apparently according to Filoni, Delta Squad's inclusion in the Clone Wars show means that they may actually make a Republic Commando 2 now. If that happens that would go a long way towards reversing my negative feelings for that show.

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Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

I have to say that as below the rest of the Jedi Knight games as it was and as much as the plot made absolutely no sense, I really enjoyed Jedi Academy. Not in the same way as TIE Fighter or KOTOR, but it was just a fun, mindless "run around and use Force powers" game.

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

Nucleic Acids posted:

Not to launch a political derail, but I'm curious to find out what this kind of theforce.net dweller would consider "socialist opression."

There was one Fandalorian I remember from way back in the day (who was actually Canadian of all things) who was a full-on fascist apologist. He would actually go on about how Franco and Mussolini were great leaders and all the stuff against them are just trumped-up lies (not sure if he ever made the jump to defending Hitler although at one point I do think he cast doubts on the Holocaust). He also believed that the Catholic Church was literally a flawless and perfect organization that has done no wrong and is single-handedly responsible for creating Western civilization in the middle ages.

There are a lot of other users there with taglines that are Bible verses and stuff like "God bless America and Israel"

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

Azzmo posted:

I speculate that many people, as you're probably about to see, have a personal dislike for Traviss that transcends and ignores the good writing that she has done.

I actually think that personal dislike of Traviss is pretty justified. She did do stuff like compare her detractors to the Taliban, write about fantasies in which they were killed, mocked them for having less sex than her imaginary characters, and posted about how she hated them in forums around the internet that had nothing to do with Star Wars and/or the issue at hand, essentially furthering the same pro-Traviss/anti-Traviss debate at the same time she claimed she just wanted it to end. Then there is her tendency to cry sexism or anti-military bias at all of her critics. She's incredibly petty, vindictive and two-faced, so yes, I think those are personal issues that do affect my ability to enjoy her work.

Then there is also stuff like how she retcons and overwrites things for no reason - for all that she claims to like Mandalorians she has tried to retcon all pre-Traviss Mandalorian history away so only her version survives as the canonical Mandalorian history (for example, she changed the spelling of Mandalore's capitol city and also retconned the Mandalorian City of Bone to be an amusement park fake passed off as an actual city to gullible Imperials by WALON VAU THE GREAT). Not to mention changing stuff for literally no reason at all, even remotely related to her personal likes and dislikes (like changing Callista's last name for no reason). And finally there is the fact that she is very transparent with her blatant political views that she wedges into her work - she really really hates Tony Blair and lo and behold in her LOTF books Jacen spouts a number of Tony Blair quotes.

Not to mention the fact that:
1) The series is called "Republic Commando" and not "Mandalorian"
2) Her books are ostensibly based on an FPS combat game yet most of the "action" consists of people sitting around talking about how they love the Mandalorians and hate the Jedi
3) If you actually think her books have any sort of nuanced critique of the Jedi rather than blind irrational hatred no matter the logic of the viewpoint (remember, Traviss said she stood up and cheered in the theater when she saw the Order 66 montage in ROTS) then I just don't know what to tell you

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

T-1000 posted:

Also I'm pretty sure he wiped all life off the surface of some planet. Caamas maybe. I recall him mentioning it to some underling, showing him a vase and saying he destroyed the world it came from. But hey he's a more interesting character than 99.9% of the rest, we can forgive him a few genocides and enslavement and tyranny.

I think this was retconned at some point to be General Grievous' home planet, also that at one point Thrawn got Grievous' mask and used it to analyze their tactics from it.

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

Throb Robinson posted:

If your going to mention the Mustache twirling you have to mention the fact that the dude is being a Stereotypical evil villain on purpose. The baddie is very self aware of the fact he is playing the role of the bad guy to Luke and Company.

The absolute best part about Shadows of Mindor isn't even that, it's how that is explained in the last few pages of the book That the entire novel, minus the forward and afterward which are set in the "real world" of the Star Wars universe, is actually an in-universe propaganda holonovel written by that New Republic Intelligence guy to glorify Luke and the New Republic's campaign against the Empire

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

Yeah, I know Stover said he based Shadows of Mindor on the early Brian Daley Han Solo novels.

Mister_Eel posted:

I wonder what Han Solo was doing in Mos Eisley anyways when Obi-wan and Luke needed a transport. It seems like it wasn't very prudent to be on the same planet as Jabba. Was Jabba even on tatooine at that time or did he move his base there at the time of ROTJ?

Well Jabba was there in the Special Editions, along with the original cut scenes from the movie (where Jabba was still a human).

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

Pretend Squirrel posted:

I don't mean to hijack the current topic, but I don't think this has been mentioned yet either: The supposed live action TV show. I know there's a good chance it'll suck, but my inner child just can't help but get excited. It keeps getting delayed though, so who knows if it'll ever actually exist.

A month or two ago there was some announcement that development of the live-action show has been put on hold because, at the moment, it would be far too expensive the shoot the scripts they have and want to do.

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

Throb Robinson posted:

I'm pretty sure if it ever does come to light the show will be more like BSG. A "Dark Edgy" Star Wars for adults. That would blow big time. If anything it should be a adventure serial like SG-1. Nothing ever too heavy.

I know that a few years ago some LFL person said that they had hired writers from BSG, Lost, and Heroes to work on the scripts for the show. Speaking of Doctor Who I know Russel T. Davies also said that he was approached by Lucasfilm to write for the show but turned them down because he could never imagine working on sci-fi again after the utter pinnacle of the genre that was his run on Doctor Who (thank god). That being said from the tone of recent Star Wars products as well as Lucas' comments early on that the show would concentrate on bounty hunters and fighter pilots (and the fact that Rome is apparently his favorite TV show), I definitely see them as using BSG as a pattern for the live-action show.


Personally I've always seen Farscape as the ideal model for what a Star Wars show should be like. Ragtag band of multi-species rebels, militaristic human government as the enemy, use of puppets over CGI for aliens, compelling stories that had lots of drama and action while still retaining jokes and lightheartedness - Farscape always seemed a lot more Star Warsy to me than the Star Wars prequels themselves.

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

The ground combat of Empire at War is especially appalling considering that the game was designed by Petroglyph, which is the company made from former Westwood Studios employees after EA shut down Westwood. The same people who made Command & Conquer are responsible for one of the worst ground-based combat games I've ever played.

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

The Mon Cal history is one of the many EU things that got messed up by the prequels.

Originally they had no contact with the galaxy outside their star system until the Empire invaded and occupied their planet. Sources from that era were the ones that said that their starships were pleasure cruisers later refurbished as warships. Then when there were Mon Cals and Quarren in the prequel movies (meaning they were obviously part of the greater galaxy pre-Empire) and newer EU had them building starships for the Confederacy (to explain why the ships in ROTS looked similar to the organic Rebel designs in ROTJ) the whole thing went wonky. I'm not actually sure how they reconciled the pre-prequel and post-prequel Mon Cal stuff or if they just basically handwaved the earlier stuff away.

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

That's great coming from Kyle Newman, considering Fanboys was worse than any of the prequels.

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

WampaLord posted:

From the Dragon*Con thread -


Now, I am GOING to this panel. Come hell or high water. Any requests for questions for me to ask?

I'm already planning on asking if in their opinion, did Jabba rape Leia?

Also, I so want to get Zahn's autograph on a novel. That would be amazing. Any people in this thread going to Dragon*Con?

A few years ago I saw Zahn, Stackpole, and Allston at a DragonCon panel and got autographs from all three. I actually got both Zahn and Stackpole to autograph my copy of By The Emperor's Hand (the Mara Jade comic they coauthored). I also got Zahn to autograph all five Thrawn books. They were all really nice guys - Allston cracked jokes, you could tell that Stackpole and Zahn were close friends in real life, Zahn would let people take pictures with him in the hallway, it was great.

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

I actually think it was KJA, in the first Essential Chronology (which I believe was his last SW work ever), who made BBY/ABY go from being just an out-of-universe term to an in-universe term.

Although to be honest while it's dumb from an in-universe perspective, it's something I can go with, it's easier to have a good OOU basis to go from than to constantly try to calculate "when was Galactic Year Zero in relation to book X and how far was that after the movies again?"

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

I remember reading that Stackpole also wanted to do a story-arc of the X-wing comics involving Boba Fett and the Mandalorians that would have been an homage to The Manchurian Candidate (like how The Rebel Opposition was an homage to the original 50's Anastasia movie).

While that might have been interesting (The Manchurian Candidate is one of my favorite novels/movies) I honestly am glad that at least one major EU series remained empty of the Mandalorians.

DougieC posted:

The Alderaan factor is actually one of the best issues of the Marvel series. Which isn't saying much. It's actually written by the the guy who later wrote Crimson Empire (Randy Stradley, who is pretty much head of Dark Horse's Star Wars projects).

I like a lot of stuff that Randy Stradley has worked on, but every single time I've talked with him over email, forums, or in person he's come across as the biggest jackass in the entire world.

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

DougieC posted:

Blasting Troy Denning

That is awesome what you wrote, but given the fact it's TFN, did a mod blank your post and/or ban you?


Also, WampaLord, how did KJA seem while being on that panel with the two far superior authors?

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

DougieC posted:

Actually, TFN seems pretty responsibly moderated at the moment. The dissatisfaction with the series, and also with Traviss, runs all the way to the top mods like Havac who let it run provided it's on-topic in the thread. In fact, the only moderation that I've seen occur recently has been in posts by pro-Traviss cretins (when Robimus turned to personal snipes after overwhelmingly failing to offer good defense of her works).

I think a good portion of TFN lit forum's active membership consider LOTF the worst thing to ever happen the the EU, and can articulate it without stepping over the boundaries of fair criticism.

Really? Wow, that is a pretty big change of culture than from when I was on TFN. Back then I remember Havac actually being the main pro-Traviss mod. I think he actually once banned me for voicing my irritations with Traviss. Funny to see that LOTF was so bad that it changed people's opinions so much (although I also remember TFN posters continually trying to look at LOTF with rose-colored glasses and say how "it will all make sense in the end, there's no way all these loose plot threads will be kept dangling at the end of the series!" long after they should have).

WampaLord posted:



Edit:


He was totally fine, I think they all were friends basically because they told several stories of collaborating with certain character and ideas and working together to keep the continuity of each other's novels. For example, Stackpole talked about having to manage Corran Horn with the Jedi Academy series and how he worked with Anderson on finding ways to make it fit. So it's not like Anderson seemed jealous or hateful of them in any way.

What the gently caress is "Her Universe"?

I know that Zahn also worked with KJA on Pellaeon's character when KJA used him in Darksaber. But I'm kind of surprised that AC Crispin was there, after she wrote the Han Solo books didn't she have some kind of falling out with Lucasfilm? Maybe I'm just misremembering. Also to be honest I would rather read KJA's Star Wars novels (including his Young Jedi Academy stuff) a thousand times over any of his Dune works.

I will admit that I have enjoyed some of KJA's stand-alone (ie non-tie-in) works, although I haven't read that big space opera series of his so maybe that is also terrible.

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

Tobaccrow posted:

Light side ending is canon in TFU's case because the alternative contradicts the movies: Starkiller kills Vader, goes on to become Palpatine's private assassin and fights Boba Fett, Obi-Wan, Obi-wan's GHOST, and Luke.

Are you loving kidding me? You fight Obi-Wan's ghost? How the hell does that even work?

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

I'm still trying to wrap my head around the fact that you fight and kill a ghost. That's probably topping the things I have a hard time believing they actually put in TFU.

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

SeanBeansShako posted:

I vaguely recall in one of the older enclyclopedias that I own Luke, Tank and Biggs did some dumb early teen poo poo in the desert and almost died but Obi-Wan saved their asses.

Also, I'd make fun of Tank being called Tank but I read the kick rear end webcomics he and Biggs we're in so no. Plus he teased Luke in his whiny rear end stage.

Do you have a link to the webcomic? I don't think I've ever read that one.

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

Watching that Han Solo animation reminds me of this fan-made "trailer" that came out a few years ago just prior to Celebration IV and had a lot of people wondering if it was a leaked official trailer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAPDje3onJo

And actually watching both the Han Solo and New Republic animations made me realize how big of an idiot Lucas was for making a Star Wars cartoon centered around the prequels rather than the original trilogy. It really makes me sad how almost everything Lucasfilm has done over the past 11 years has been either:

1) Trying to convince people the prequels are actually good movies
2) Trying to convert the rest of Star Wars into the prequels

I mean - do you think this is just a cash cow reason, or does Lucas actually think the prequels are the better Star Wars movies?

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

Kingtheninja posted:

Wasn't the live action series supposed to be set closer to the OT? Maybe that's why it still hasn't happened...

And yet on the other hand the super-deformed animated "Squishies" comedy series is in production. What a wonderful world we live in.

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

Palpatine's backstory will presumably be covered at least a bit in Luceno's upcoming Darth Plagueis novel. For those who don't know, the novel was announced a few years ago, then said to be dead, then appropriately enough revived a few months ago. I don't know if it's changed since, but Luceno said that the original version at least not only included young Palpatine, but also contrasted Plagueis' search for immortality with Qui-Gon's discovery of how to join with the Force for quasi-immortality as implied by the ending of ROTS.

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

WhyteRyce posted:

I wish you guys would stop talking about the Clone Wars cartoon like its really good and that I'm missing out on something. I keep wanting to pick it up but I couldn't even finish the first season which I have on DVD.

Don't worry, you're not alone. I honestly don't understand the raving reviews it gets when the animation is so terrible, the plots and characterization so simplistic, it completely shits on any of the prior Clone Wars EU stuff that was actually good, etc. Also, Asohka is seriously as bad and annoying character as Jar Jar (who by now has had more screentime in the Clone Wars than the entire prequels put together).

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

Diacritical Mark posted:

http://www.karentraviss.com/html/mando.htm

Holy poo poo. I had no idea she put so much effort into this.

That led me to this:

http://www.karentraviss.com/html/jedi.htm

Where she outright says that if you like Jedi then you are guilty of:

Crazy Lady posted:

It's slave-owner-think: it's Nazi-think. And yes, I bloody well hate it.

It's not about Jedi - who don't even exist. It's about you.

So yes, if you like Jedi then you have the same thought processes as slaveowners and Nazis and Karen Traviss hates you personally.

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

I realized a few months ago that with Legacy ending I have just about absolute zero interest in the post-ROTJ EU at the moment. Every time I read something new about FOTJ it reinforces my decision. I am somewhat interested in the sequel to Crosscurrent but that's about it and even that won't be coming out for something like a year or more.

Actually to be honest once Legacy finishes up really the only Star Wars-related things I'll be looking forward to are the Crosscurrent sequel, the Nomi Sunrider book, JJM's Knight Errant comic, and maybe the Michael Reaves book about the holostar, which could be fun if it does a sort of "ridiculous celebrity culture in the GFFA" vantage point (which I'm sure it won't do, but still). It makes me sad to realize that even a few years ago I had so much more enthusiasm and excitement for Star Wars than I do now.

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

LOTF also had characters using fake curse words from both BSG and Farscape (frak, frell). Or Jacen/Caedus reusing quotes from Tony Blair speeches. Of course those only happened in books written by one of the three authors, I'm sure I don't have to say which one.

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

The human aging thing has actually gone back and forth. In the really early EU (stuff like Marvel, the 80's WEG stuff, and even the Thrawn Trilogy and Truce at Bakura) it's assumed that advanced technology means that humans live far longer than they do today - there are a number of humans from then who are a century or two old.

Then when the EU got a bit more established under Bantam it basically became that SW humans aged the same as real-life humans, with characters like Mon Mothma dying from old age in their 70s for example.

Then as of a few years ago it's swung back around again, literally for the sole purpose of explaining how the Big Three could still be around and active. Denning was actually the one who reintroduced this retcon to justify how active Han and Leia were in his LOTF books with the typical Denning quote "In the GFFA 70 is the new 40"

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

Wingnut Ninja posted:

I hadn't really thought about how Order 66 somewhat undermines the whole "clones are living, thinking people and the Jedi are monsters for using them as a slave army" argument. I mean, as clones, you'd expect them to be exactly like natural-born people, albeit with some rather extreme training, but EXECUTE ORDER 66 whoops nope they're essentially just sophisticated, squishy droids. No free will and programmable to do whatever you want. It's still an ethical minefield, but it moves them a lot closer to the "manufactured tool" end of the spectrum.

Unsurprisingly, Karen Traviss is as far as I know the only one whose works argued that there was no subconscious training in the clones to program them to accept Order 66. They did it because they were all such good soldiers and knew they had to execute Order 66 to wipe out the Jedi because their commanders told them to (hmm...). This is even after it was stated by Stover that the clones being programmed to obey came from Lucas himself, not to mention how ever other author assumed the clones were also. So again basically just boiling it down to how the hell did Lucasfilm let Traviss get away with this poo poo?

RocknRollaAyatollah posted:

So can someone explain to me how Daala became head of the Galactic Republic? That just seems kind of ridiculous and even more so than the EU usually is.

I think Denning actually said that the reason he made Daala the Chief of State because "no one else made sense in the role." Which shows three things:

1) In-universe this of course is total bullshit considering that there was an entire Senate, Galactic Alliance officer corps, diplomats, cabinet officials, etc., all of who, would obviously made "more sense" than an unreconstructed Imperial warlord who was charged with war crimes for terror bombing civilians and trying to destroy Coruscant.

2) It really highlights the lack of the current EU in building up background characters outside of the Big Three, their families, and the Jedi Council members. If they had decided to keep building up their casts instead of killing them off and focusing on the same movie characters they wouldn't have had this severe lack of supporters to force them to rely on a character who hadn't been in a book in 15 years coming back out of nowhere to take over.

3) Denning is a loving hack

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

RocknRollaAyatollah posted:

Aren't Jaina and Jagged Fel supposed to start the new royal family of the Legacy era Empire anyways?

Jagged is the first Fel Emperor (the grandfather of the emperor Roan Fel who's in the comic). It's never been said in-universe that Jaina is supposed to have been Jag's wife but Jan Duursema (illustrator/co-creator of Legacy) has said in interviews that they for all intents and purposes assume that it's Jaina, but can't actually say so because Del Rey has reserved the whole Jaina-Jag relationship and are making it into a badly drawn-out soap opera.

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

^^
Also both being "female former military officer" (Traviss likes to make a big deal out of the fact that she was briefly a PR official for the Territorial Army which she levies into claims that she fully served in the military, writes for her "fellow" soldiers, etc)

Azzmo posted:

He's perfectly readable. He was actually considered one of the better Star Wars authors after his first entry into the franchise. Unfortunately he went on to pen a three book series called The Dark Next Trilogy which contained some very uncomfortable plot lines and characters who didn't act like themselves. I consider it the point that the EU stopped being fun and started being about slogging through grandiose plot lines where the longstanding characters do what the plot demands when the plot demands it for the sake of extra pages.

He then contributed three completely forgettable books to the nine book Legacy of the Force series. Again, the prose was readable but the things that happened were so unusual that it didn't seem like Star Wars much of the time. He was even more guilty of having the plot's needs dictate everybody's behavior in this series and, combined with a petulant Karen Traviss' three abortions, the series ended up completely inconsistent and unfocused.

I guess it just comes down to his Star Wars books being no fun.

I actually thought that Star by Star was terrible. It has some good moments (Luke, Tsavong Lah, Nom Anor and Leia are well written, and the battle segments are good) but it's really clunkily written, way too long, focuses disproportionately on Dennin'g pet characters, and the Wayland mission makes absolutely no loving sense and just screams out "This is written to satisfy a Lucasfilm plot mandate."

Also not only did Denning contribute three books each to LOTF and FOTJ but he is the guy who came up with the outlines for each series, so he's really responsible for the terrible plots of them. The entire post-NJO book series is essentially Denning's brain child (even though some of the details were filled in by others) and it's no coincidence how it's also one of the least coherent, rambling, and idiotically-plotted blocs of the EU.

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

NJO is worth it just for the reaction of the cadre of adult posters at TFN constantly harp on how they hate it for killing off their precious minor characters from Young Jedi Knights.

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

Drighton posted:

I have a CD, not sure where I got it from, that has a audiobook version of Vector Prime and a interview with the authors. In there they state that they did meet up and plan out the entire series before they even wrote it. It was in these meetings that they decided they needed to kill one of the main characters to really stress the danger of the Vong (kind of like the Justice League: How do create a threat that justifies involving 6 superheroes? Make Superman go down like a pussy.). They initially wanted to kill Luke (I think they should have done this) but Lucas, through representatives, said no. They later got a list of acceptable casualties and thus Chewie got the axe.

Yeah, building off this not only was there an outline but much of it was written/developed by Luceno and Stackpole (which is odd given that in later years he seems to have distanced himself from the NJO somewhat, although maybe that's telling - I know he really strongly disagreed with the decision to kill Anakin).

Also some of the NJO makes more sense when you realize that it was originally going to be a comic series. I think the pacing issues that affected the NJO especially in the second half wouldn't have popped up (at least, assuming that the comic series wasn't really shittily paced) just due to the format, and the Vong with all their completely new ships and technology would have gone over better in a visual format.

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

ImpAtom posted:

Apparently Starkiller and Juno beat Darth Vader up and the Rebel Alliance captures Vader. That's the ending.

I think this is my new top TFU peeve. How the gently caress do they approve poo poo like this?

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

I always assumed it was clones and Dark Jedi against the Republic and the Jedi, although I didn't think the Jedi would be the institutionalized generals like they ended up being, rather ronin-like figures who helped out the Republic forces individually. I don't think I figured that Palpatine would be behind the anti-Republic forces also, just that he would use the war to bolster his own power.

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

deadguy posted:

I don't remember the OT ever making any connection between the Clone Wars and the fall of the Old Republic/rise of the Empire, so I always assumed they weren't connected. Obi Wan seemed genuinely nostalgic when he talked about serving with Luke's father. That, and the generally upbeat tone of the original trilogy, made me think of the Clone Wars as a short, victorious war that an old soldier would look back on fondly.

I don't think any, or at least any that I remember, EU from before AOTC connected the Clone Wars with the fall of the Republic. I remember the background story that came with the X-Wing game mentioned decades elapsing between the end of Clone Wars and the rise of Palpatine.

Traxus IV posted:

Man, don't ever watch AOTC with anyone who is one of those crazy Mandalorian fans who honestly holds that view. It's pretty awful.

Or hilarious, if you're in the proper mindset (drunk).

Any good stories to share? I would really love to hear them. The only time I've seen a rabid Mandalorian fan in real life was actually by complete chance, I was going to see a (non-Star Wars) movie and in the parking lot I saw a guy getting out of a car covered in Mandalorian insignia and Traviss language poo poo.

Locutus Of Bored posted:

This is incorrect.

Luke: "You fought in the Clone Wars?"
Obi-Wan: "(laugh) Yes, I was once a Jedi Knight, the same as your father"

:spergin:

Leia mentions it also in her hologram. "General Kenobi, years ago you served my father in the Clone Wars." Which, of course, we never see happen in the prequels, and actually the prequels now makes this line make absolutely no sense since why would a senator be commanding a general?

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

Mister Roboto posted:

Who knew that a series that is literally BLACK AND WHITE about Evil and Good would pander to people who have a simplistic view of morality and the world?

Next you'll tell me theforce.com forums are full of religious fundamentalists.

When I first started visiting the TFN forums it honestly did kind of blow me away just how many posters quoted Bible versus in their signatures.

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

Baron Porkface posted:

Theres a piece of art form dark empire that has either Dark Side Luke or Palpatine with a cloak and under the cloak is a big imperial fleet. Anyone know where I can find it?

Is this it?

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/File:DarkEmpireFleet.jpg

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

The last thing I saw of L. Niel Smith's was an alternate history webcomic where Texas remained an independent country/libertarian utopia because they won the battle of the Alamo and as a result they expanded into the southwest and so were able to claim the technology of the Roswell crash and use it to fight against evil socialist Mexicans and communist New Englanders, and there were also lots of naked women. It was basically what a teenager just exposed to Ayn Rand and Ron Paul would fantasize about, it made Liberality For All and Orson Scott Card's Empire seem like nuanced political satire by comparison. It was just embarrassing.




That out of the way - so would those of you who read it recommend Knight Errant? I liked the KOTOR comic for most of its run, but I really thought for a long stretch in the middle it was kind of meandering and plotless. And since from what I hear, the plot of Knight Errant is basically similar in structure to the middle of KOTOR (a single wandering Jedi on the run doing good deeds with smuggler friends while running from Dark Jedi during a war) it makes me a bit nervous.

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Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

Also when he gets fixated on what a great idea it would be if twelve year old girls seduced their fathers.

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