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Lake Jucas posted:That Plinkett review is awful. It's the Prequels of Plinkett reviews. I like the part where the very white crew feels comfortable telling kids who they look up too.
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Doctor Spaceman posted:The Force Awakens bit is easily the worst bit of it. Well i mean they aren't wrong that it's a bit of a dull nostalgia bait.
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Oct 6, 2016 05:55
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Lake Jucas posted:The other 50 minutes are "Making more than 1 star wars movie is bad because corporations or something." Eh his point was that it corps suck out any creativity to go with low risk and rather bland products. Which is correct.
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Oct 6, 2016 18:46
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ImpAtom posted:That seems a bit silly when the next Star Wars film appears to be unlike any previous Star Wars film. That isn't that impressive anymore. Now had they pushed the interracial romance angle it would have, but they danced around it because you know generic. Though RLM took a weird as gently caress angle with that part. punchymcpunch posted:That's why they make the big bucks, polished but generic sells like gangbusters. Oh I don't doubt it, it's a little bit of a downer but it's hard to care that much.
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Oct 7, 2016 05:19
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You can't make him do something he doesn't want to do, that is illegal.
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Dec 5, 2016 23:05
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Arcsquad12 posted:DIdn't realize I need to read Plato to understand space shootmans. You don't, Star Wars isn't based on any feudal system I have ever read about. Though fuedalism in itself is a catch all term that is actually vastly different per area.
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Dec 10, 2016 00:09
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You are insanely defensive about your lovely heist movie. Though people expecting a heist movie to have deep or even well defined protagonists are kind of expecting a bit much. Also what a weird burn with overwatch. Overwatch has no story, on purpose.
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Dec 16, 2016 08:26
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Oh that is where the overwatch burn came in, I was completely baffled. It's still weird but it at least isn't random?
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Dec 16, 2016 08:29
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I do want to say I appreciate Forrest Whitaker using the same acting style he used in battlefield earth for his character.
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Dec 21, 2016 05:37
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Arcsquad12 posted:I don't like Galen's master sabotage plan setting up the death star as an intentional failure. I enjoy its destruction being the result of hubris. If it was just galen leaking information about the death star and the need to find the plans. Would certainly play into motti's statement in a new hope about stealing the plans being "a useless gesture, no matter what technical data they've uncovered." It kind of undercuts it when there is a scene where Vader and the Moffs clearly recognize it as a threat and then kind of drop it in a new hope I mean had that not happened it would have been fine.
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Dec 22, 2016 00:23
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Wheat Loaf posted:Something I've just remembered is that, in one of the deleted scenes from ANH with Biggs visiting Luke on Tatooine, one of the things he mentions as evidence of the Empire tightening its grip is that they've started nationalising all of the large companies in the Core worlds, so surely you'd logically expect some ex-Separatist types to join up with the Rebels as well. George Lucas would be libertarian.
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May 18, 2017 17:57
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sportsgenius86 posted:Isn't the whole point of the first order that someone was hoarding assets in the unknown regions? So it would make complete sense that they would have access to the same type of weapons as the empire. No one cares if it makes sense, as the it's a story the writer can do whatever and make it makes sense. There is just a reason why it's there, because it plays towards the nostalgia.
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May 29, 2017 05:44
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ImpAtom posted:In another universe: Gundam is garbage tho. Gundam also does seem to hung on its past so it is a good comparison, I guess.
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May 30, 2017 00:52
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Ingmar terdman posted:Neil Breen So Neil Breen in a tank top saving the Jedi. Hell yeah
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Sep 12, 2017 22:22
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Casimir Radon posted:That's the Black Fleet Crisis which we were talking about. And yes, FOTJ decided to sort of bring Calista back by having Abeloth absorb her at some point. Say what you will about Disney ownership but at least it put an end to these shenanigans for good. Denning was ready to keep going forever until they told him to wrap it up. Eh it didnt stop them, just changed what they are. The EU isn't some unique thing, it's the logical progression of trying to milk a franchise for all it's worth.
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Oct 25, 2017 06:31
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Megachile posted:I gotta say I'm with jivjov on this one. Seems like the general cynicism of the thread is overruling the evidence, which Arcsquad has summed up pretty well. It seems like the Story Group won't be cavalier with canon because so far they've been so cautious and slavishly driven by the movies that they're not letting anyone take enough creative risks to ever get in the situation where the greedy higher-ups would have cause to mess with their perfectly organized world. Not that they won't make mistakes, but I guess I'll be surprised if they make an overt decision to override what they've made in the past few years. You... seem to be agreeing with the cynics and disagreeing with Jiv, so um, how do you figure.
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Nov 21, 2017 05:02
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General Battuta posted:You want it to be that way, but it ain't that way. Movies and TV shows are run by directors and writers, and the story group is going to get in the way of them as little as possible. Movies barely get made on their own terms. The last thing they need is someone else giving notes on their scripts. Hell Marvel and DC can't even mange that within their own Spheres to think that Disney could maintain complete canon consistency within three different mediums is insane. They will say what they will because there is no reason not to but it isn't happening.
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Nov 21, 2017 07:18
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jivjov posted:"Hey if we ignore The Empire Strikes Back, then Return of the Jedi doesn't make sense on its own." No they aren't? Man your dense. You argument is that the story group has complete control, if they have complete control then you don't need a tie in novel to explain inconsistencies as they can squash that problem in the womb. The tie in novel exists to fix mistakes, proving they don't have the control you want them to have.
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Nov 21, 2017 18:17
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If you don't read the book is the mistake unexplained. Which is hilarious as it functionally isn't different than how the old EU worked, especially at the beginning. The only difference is time. I mean I know you won't listen as sucking corporate cock is your whole gimmick but whatever.
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Nov 21, 2017 18:52
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It's jijov it was always pointless.
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Nov 21, 2017 18:54
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Skoll posted:So for the vast majority of people who didn't read Inferno Squad (myself included), it looks shallow and lovely still. With zero explanation or characterization basically. Meet the new EU, same as the old one.
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Nov 23, 2017 20:12
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Rad Valtar posted:People are mad at TFA because it didn't take chances and TLJ because it did. What I'm trying to say is that Star Wars fans are loving idiots who want 17 lightsaber fights in a movie. If you don't like where they went with Luke in this movie then I think you are a tone def tard. TLJ didn't take any chances. It pretended to but in the end it winded exactly were any sane person would expect it to
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Dec 19, 2017 19:28
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thrawn527 posted:Well this is certainly an opinion. lol literally none of these are important or unexpected. Though you list the Kylo thing as a twist when it would have been 100times more interesting and unexpected had it went the way you poo poo on. That is the one area I agree where it could have been important and changed poo poo in a manner that just wasn't cosmetic. Star Wars is ultimately still stuck in the same problem it has been since the beginning. The last Jedi had a chance to take a risk and try and do something different, but in the end it went the safe easy route.
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Dec 19, 2017 20:18
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Wheat Loaf posted:So is everyone wrong? Like, people who are criticising it because it's changed Star Wars for the worse and people who are praising it because it's taken Star Wars in a new direction? thrawn527 posted:Really? Even the last one I mentioned? That was expected? And unimportant? Also yeah I expected that to happen and was more surprised the one character lived than anything. kimbo305 posted:Really? Not even this: Okay I didn't expect that you have me there. It was dumb but that wasn't the question.
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Dec 19, 2017 20:33
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Casimir Radon posted:I'm kind of wondering if the original plan might have been to have Leia be the only one to live and Carrie's death might have hosed that up. I think it's more likely they were doing one per movie
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Dec 19, 2017 20:39
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Wheat Loaf posted:I'm less sure about that. Maybe I'm relying on a small reference pool, but before it was released I never got the impression that people were generally expecting it to be an ESB remake. I thought the main attitude was "TFA was more or less the same as ANH to set up the new status quo and characters; TLJ will go in a new direction". I have to say, "It isn't a 1:1 Empire remake," isn't one of the criticisms I've seen a lot of so far. So you never heard the complaint that FA was a new hope remake. Where you living under a rock.
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Dec 19, 2017 20:40
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thrawn527 posted:Oh. Okay then. I think you think there is some kind of contraction there but there isn't. A movie can be not as safe as the safest movie ever without taking any real risks. As you so helpfully showed in the list of supposed risks you pointed out. As they are only risks if you assume the movie is a 1:1 copy. Therefore the prequels where a risk by your logic. CharlestheHammer fucked around with this message at 21:01 on Dec 19, 2017 |
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thrawn527 posted:From what I understand, Carrie Fisher had finished filming, but died before they were able to do any of the ADR. Which Rian Johnson said to a couple iffy audio takes, where they did what they could, but couldn't fix all of them. The only one I noticed was near the beginning, "For the record, I agree with the droid on this one." sounded off, to me. Most of what you describe seems to be fan constructs rather than anything George intended. I don't think George was trying o make Anakin a whiny shithead to be risky but more for lovely writting.
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sportsgenius86 posted:All I’ve really learned here is that there’s a lot of hardcore nerds that seem to want an exact remake that’s not an exact remake. I would like A Star Wars movie to try something different instead of being stuck in the same route for 30 god drat years,
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Dec 20, 2017 02:39
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Rad Valtar posted:I'm starting to believe the crazy guy in the CD thread that most Star Wars fans don't actually like Star Wars. You honestly shouldn't at this point.
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Dec 22, 2017 08:54
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Wait I thought the resistance was the new republic. Making them two different factions is beyond dumb.
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Jan 3, 2018 10:39
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Teek posted:Pablo has been talking about the novelization non-canon conflict factors for the last few years. It's not a gotcha. His answer then was the same as now, the novelizations are written before the author has seen the movie and before the final cut is locked. So the novelizations are just adaptations that are canon unless a conflict arises from a canon source. Eh it is a gotcha because before the argument was the story group had equal control over Canon. Which we know isn't true and only jivjov cares about.
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Jan 3, 2018 10:42
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ImpAtom posted:The New Republic is not involved in the war. The Resistance is basically Leia taking her influence and running her own personal army because nobody else will do it. It's a literal plot point in the film. That's so dumb. It's also dumb I missed it, so everything is dumb.
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Jan 3, 2018 19:36
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jivjov posted:Is it dumb because you weren't paying attention, dumb because it wasn't what you personally wanted/expected from the sequel trilogy, or dumb for an actual articulable reason? The first and third. That was kind of the point of the post Having two quasi independent factions warring inside a government body that isn't tied to feudalism is insane.
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Jan 3, 2018 19:59
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jivjov posted:Uhhhh, okay. Yeah. No non-feudal governments have ever had factions. Right. Outside of street fighter nope. This would not count as streetfighting. Though these aren't state factions either way, as state factions are specifically not autonomous. As their whole point is working within the state.
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Not within their own state no as it's loving stupid. I never said anything about realism, I said it was dumb. You were the one arguing realism until it became untenable. Shameful even for you jivjov.
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Jan 3, 2018 20:15
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ImpAtom posted:Being stupid doesn't mean it's a thing that doesn't actually happen. I can't think of a good example outside of feudalism. Which even then the Kings didn't leave them alone out of apathy. Usually it was because the main state was to weak to interfere, not indifferent. Hell if there is one thing that is consistent throughout history is that if the state is threatened they will do everything they can to destroy it. Though like I said realism or not doesn't matter it's just dumb way to make the resistance the underdogs. CharlestheHammer fucked around with this message at 20:26 on Jan 3, 2018 |
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Gammatron 64 posted:Yeah that's all fine. That is why Lei should have just been a commander of the New Republic in charge of dealing with this particular threat while also having other threats that forced the republic to divert funds and divide its attention like rebellions to keep it simple. Would make more sense and would definitely make a large strike shattering the Republic make more sense. Have the first order pick up some pieces making them stronger than resistance but not Empire level power. CharlestheHammer fucked around with this message at 20:57 on Jan 3, 2018 |
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General Battuta posted:Unbelievably, jivjov is right. It's not just realistic for a government to sponsor a resistance group against a foe without declaring war on the foe themselves; it's incredibly commonplace. Jivjov is not right and it's not realistic. A government would never, ever fund a resistance group against a domestic enemy. As that is pointlessly stupid. If it's so realistic give me one example, just one.
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jivjov posted:Did...did you not read the post you just quoted? Also, the First Order isn't a domestic enemy. They're a separate military power. Do you know what domestic is. Because not one of those examples are domestic, while the first order explicitly is.
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