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Paper Jam Dipper
Jul 14, 2007

by XyloJW
I would completely buy into a story where Secret of Evermore was far too dark originally. Especially with how Nintendo was back in the mid 90s and they helped promote the game.

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Paper Jam Dipper
Jul 14, 2007

by XyloJW

Danger Mahoney posted:

The whole robot twin thing is the entire plot of the game, though. It wouldn't make sense if you actually killed the people, and the plot wouldn't make sense if the rulers of the land were actually evil.

Hence a plot change from the original?

Again, it's quite possible they pulled the dark themes from the original plot because it just plain sucked overall and panicked last minute to try to create a more Nintendo friendly story.

Paper Jam Dipper
Jul 14, 2007

by XyloJW
You know, I honestly wasn't that big of a fan of Majora's Mask and maybe only put 40-50 hours in it unlike some people I've heard putting 500-600 in their lifetime. That said, those videos still were fantastic to me and I can only wonder what it would do to a real hardcore fan.

Paper Jam Dipper
Jul 14, 2007

by XyloJW

Rocketlex posted:

It seemed like a bit much that he ended up appearing in a location from the first game, but eh, a good video overall.

I find it interesting that while people find the glitches plausible, the game suddenly kicking into Ocarina of Time isn't.

Paper Jam Dipper
Jul 14, 2007

by XyloJW

Spiffo posted:

he was turned into a mask :ghost:

It actually surprises me how little the narrative is using the masks as a means of doing this ghost tale. Actually adds authenticity since it's easy to assume someone would want the ghost story to actually wrap around the game. This is less about the game and more about the ghost tale.

Paper Jam Dipper
Jul 14, 2007

by XyloJW
I was really hoping he would have moved onto say, someone posting on his Youtube page how after downloading the TheTruth.rtf, the statue popped up when they were playing Bioshock. And then you'd see a video of a guy playing Bioshock, the statue being seen, and then the game crashing. You know, stuff like that. Keep it about videogame haunting/cursing/glitching.

But nooo he has to be a fan fic guy.

Paper Jam Dipper
Jul 14, 2007

by XyloJW

Amppelix posted:

I think this is going to crash and burn.

His greatest mistake was going public. He should have stayed in character the entire time.

Paper Jam Dipper
Jul 14, 2007

by XyloJW

Lucidphoole posted:

But then he couldn't have requested donations. It's not cheap running an ARG through youtube.

Are you kidding me? If he kept it all haunted and poo poo and never admitted to it, and the ghost tossed up a PayPal? You bet someone is going to throw him a dime.

Paper Jam Dipper
Jul 14, 2007

by XyloJW

Deffon posted:

Check these guys out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBr-0H8MJS4

They beat Battletoads 2-player mode, without warps, without using continues, on a real console.

How do you live after that?

There's no point in continuing life after such an achievement.

Paper Jam Dipper
Jul 14, 2007

by XyloJW

21stCentury posted:

You try to do it faster.

I just feel like people who can accomplish such a thing should be paid to do something important.

Paper Jam Dipper
Jul 14, 2007

by XyloJW

mew force shoelace posted:

I still say the fact the early bosses are elaborate background based bosses (and terrifying!) and the later bosses are sprite based AND the last half of the game is almost comically buggy indicates that at the very least the game had different plans and just got spat out incredibly half finished.

I recall a GamePlayers magazine talking about Secret of Evermore how the Market music goes for like 16 minutes before repeating. The development team clearly thought they had forever to work on the game and then at some point were slapped upside the head and told to get their asses moving.

I wouldn't be surprised if around the same time they were told to get their asses moving on finishing the game, they were also told to tone down the dark themes.

Paper Jam Dipper
Jul 14, 2007

by XyloJW

Cichlid the Loach posted:

I am not necessarily dismissing this line of speculation, but you guys do realize that that guy's blog post that kicked off this whole discussion was made up, right?

Honestly, it simply fed a nagging feeling that thousands of people who played Secret of Evermore had.

Cichlid the Loach posted:

E: Plus I have that soundtrack CD, and no track is over like 2 minutes long?

I just remember the GamePlayers article. I don't have it anymore of course since it was from 1995 but I remember them bragging about the Market music not looping after a ridiculous amount of time. It's good to know it was a preview, not a review. They were talking to the developers when the game was still a few months before release. Maybe they cut it down for the Soundtrack?

Paper Jam Dipper
Jul 14, 2007

by XyloJW

Mister Roboto posted:

:confused: Wasn't that a hoax created by the guy in this thread?

The hoax was Ed Kann.

The early artwork and other creepy stuff about the game wasn't.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEu8wDAQuDk

He certainly didn't make that up.

Paper Jam Dipper
Jul 14, 2007

by XyloJW

bobaclone posted:

Here's a youtube link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cbdJeE-x6E

I completely bought into it when I saw the video until I saw the toaster they were selling as the new console.

Paper Jam Dipper
Jul 14, 2007

by XyloJW

SpeedofLife posted:

So, what the verdict on that Secret of Evermore article? Total bullshit?

I'm pretty sure it is total bullshit, but I buy into the idea that the game was once planned to be much more darker with bigger boss fights throughout but they ran out of Megabits and either didn't feel like telling the same story or were told to cut things back.

The Noises coming from inside Children is a bad-rear end title, though. That's the sort of thing that sends shivers down your spine.

Paper Jam Dipper
Jul 14, 2007

by XyloJW

raditts posted:

That's the sort of thing a high school garage band names one of their lovely songs.

The high school bands I knew when I was in high school usually named their songs "Vicious Rage" and "Solemn Endings" and if they leaned toward emo, it was always metaphors that didn't make sense and titles that are way too long (which is authentic to the genre).

Actually, I just grabbed a CD from my friends band back in 2002. The best name for a song is "Gray Street". The worst name for a song is "Lies you knew were true".

Maybe you knew more creative high schoolers.

Paper Jam Dipper
Jul 14, 2007

by XyloJW

Eox posted:

No but I'm stabbing my drummer if he writes another one.

Scratch that, we have six about breakups, one about partying and one about handjobs.

High school! :downs:

Do any of the songs start to rhyme and by the second verse the rhyming just stops?

Paper Jam Dipper
Jul 14, 2007

by XyloJW
I knew about the WarMech because Final Fantasy came out with that beastiary map.

I also remember when my dad found it. It scared the poo poo out of him and me.

Paper Jam Dipper
Jul 14, 2007

by XyloJW

Macaluso posted:

I can definitely see where someone would get the idea that there would be at least one more hidden level (or two).



Those island on the map are used for nothing at all. And they are right next to Chocolate Island

As a kid, Final Fantasy II drove me insane with all of the un-used areas. I mean, everyone went crazy about the face on the Moon but even the un-used mountains under Mount of Ordeals drove me batty. I think the After Years did something with them but I can't remember.

Paper Jam Dipper
Jul 14, 2007

by XyloJW

Manwithastick posted:

http://www.flyingomelette.com/oddities/oddities25.html

Here are my fave Secret of Mana easter eggs including the aforementioned porn

I remember seeing this page years ago and being shocked at the happy face in FFIV. I have played that game more than any other game ever made and never caught it.

Paper Jam Dipper
Jul 14, 2007

by XyloJW
This was the best NYC map I could find to compare with it.



Yeah, Ground Zero and Wasteland don't match up.

Paper Jam Dipper
Jul 14, 2007

by XyloJW

BaShildy posted:

New episode of Pop-Fiction covers the Stop N' Swop from Banjo-Kazooie: http://www.gametrailers.com/video/episode-8-pop-fiction/709014

Interesting that it would have worked out if the hardware revision of the N64 didn't reduce the ability to keep data between cart loads for enough time to perform the swap.

Thanks for these. I was hoping for a show like this to pop up one day.

Paper Jam Dipper
Jul 14, 2007

by XyloJW

Category Fun! posted:

I can't imagine an animal crossing game genuinely deleting your save file as an easter egg.

Mr. Resetti is one of my favourite characters ever and I wish Nintendo would put him into every single game they make.

You get knocked out in Punch Out! so you reset the Wii, you try to play again and instead of Mr. Sandman popping up, Mr. Resetti pops up with punching gloves. "Oy! You can't just go ahead and reset the game and act like everything is okay! Guess what? I'm knocking out half of your energy. Lose like a real man and maybe I'll be a little nicer. Don't get on my bad side again!"

I'd love for him to gently caress with people in every game.

Paper Jam Dipper
Jul 14, 2007

by XyloJW
someone putting so much time into something this big... yikes.

Paper Jam Dipper
Jul 14, 2007

by XyloJW

Capsaicin posted:

Working at Gamestop is the worst place to hear poo poo like this. "Don't even recommend Red Dead Redemption to me. I beat that in two hours."

"Do you know anything about how to fly in the new Zelda? One of my friends said you can fly."

"I love ALL the Final Fantasies! I even got Aerith to come back to life!" <-- This guy was also a Nazi.

I once beat up a kid who claimed that Zeromus wasn't the final boss in Final Fantasy II and that the real end of the game was Golbez and FuSoYa beating up the "King of the Moon".

...

I didn't beat him up *because* he claimed that. Just I recall I beat up a kid who once made something up about my favourite video game.

Paper Jam Dipper
Jul 14, 2007

by XyloJW
I just realized something (or maybe I didn't). You know that weird music that plays in the first Jadusable videos? Was that from "Animal" by Prick?

Paper Jam Dipper
Jul 14, 2007

by XyloJW

Role Play McMurphy posted:

Look at the outline, bro, not the faces. I'd been missing the forest for the trees too.

I bow to your ability to see the dark colour over the reddish colour.

I always just assumed it was true because the Mother series is the darkest thing ever published by Nintendo. Aside from Peach being Bowser Jr.'s mom.

Paper Jam Dipper
Jul 14, 2007

by XyloJW

Obnoxious Brit posted:

I haven't played it since first completing it when it came out, but I'm pretty sure in the ending scene boswer goes "About Princess Peach..." and he gets cut off by Bowser Jr. going "I know she's not really my mama,"

E: Yup

He never refutes it. He's just shocked.

I'm not listening to anyone who disagrees. Peach gave it up.

:colbert:

Paper Jam Dipper
Jul 14, 2007

by XyloJW

Kikka posted:

Yeah, anything a child doesn't understand left unexplained to him can mess up a kid's head pretty bad, I'll give you that. It's just dumb when the exact same rape/abortion discussion comes up every time Earthbound is mentioned.

I don't really understand why it's dumb. Are you saying people should know by now or that the discussion takes away from talking about something else?

Paper Jam Dipper
Jul 14, 2007

by XyloJW

Rocketlex posted:

Maybe it would have been more believable if they discovered it would only load in Windows ME.

Also scarier.

Fixed.

Paper Jam Dipper
Jul 14, 2007

by XyloJW

Neito posted:

I find it hilarious that you think ME would work long enough to start up a game.

That's why games can get haunted on it.

Because it is haunted.

It's a perfectly working operating system that's haunted so it crashes all of the time.

Paper Jam Dipper
Jul 14, 2007

by XyloJW

Ghostlight posted:

This right here is an urban legend, as the commonly cited movie with the "rape scene" doesn't have one. Not only does that make sampling the scene difficult, but I imagine Itoi would've noticed there wasn't one while he was trawling the movie for nightmare lines.
If he had, he wouldn't have said there was a rape scene in the film in an interview, starting this whole thing off.

Earthbound is for the most part a pretty happy game but that ending is so loving dark it's unbelievable.

It's why I don't see how people completely doubt the Secret of Evermore rumour of it beginning as a very dark game and turning a 180 at some point. Because the game lends extremely well to it.

Paper Jam Dipper
Jul 14, 2007

by XyloJW
I don't know if it really works as a hoax or urban legend, but Taboo for the NES.

Has anyone ever played this with friends and suddenly got a creepy prediction? I know it's tarot card hocus pocus and all of that silly stuff and the game barely lets you write in something long and sometimes is just a random mix of cards and an American forced lottery number. But anyone ever got a result that was actually accurate? Or happened?

I have a few stories but I just want this to sink into someones head that I'm asking if people got a creepy prediction from an NES TAROT CARD GAME.

Paper Jam Dipper
Jul 14, 2007

by XyloJW

Rocketlex posted:

That's a real thing. You get 120 stars and you open a cannon in front of the castle (that thing that always had a grate over it). Shoot to the roof and Yoshi is there. He gives you a bunch of lives and a jump upgrade.

Now, when you triple-jump, the third jump goes much higher and you're (I think) invincible while doing it.

Real gamers triple jump the side wall :smug:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60sxzRLkQb4

(I accomplished this twice in the hours upon hours I played trying it. Once I fell off the wall after doing it and the second time I actually pulled it off).

Paper Jam Dipper
Jul 14, 2007

by XyloJW

Liku posted:

Well most don't know about Street Fighter; until I did some searching for it on the internet I just thought there wasn't ever a first game.

Boblo Island in Michigan had an arcade where it was one of the most popular games. One of the few things I remember when I was like five or six years old. I watched people play it and lose over and over. I got bored and played Magician Lord instead of waiting for a chance to play.

Paper Jam Dipper
Jul 14, 2007

by XyloJW
Was Rings of Power any good?

Paper Jam Dipper
Jul 14, 2007

by XyloJW
What was the reason again you could create a Star Fox arwing to shoot poo poo in Ocarina of Time? Both games were on the same engine, right?

Paper Jam Dipper
Jul 14, 2007

by XyloJW

Red Octopus!! posted:

I actually heard once that Super Mario Bros. was inspired by Alice in Wonderland. Which is why you grow when you eat mushrooms.

I always assumed Miyamoto wanted something Italian for Mario to eat and meatballs, ravioli, spaghetti and tomato sauce was too hard to animate. Mushrooms were easy.

Paper Jam Dipper
Jul 14, 2007

by XyloJW

Cosmik Debris posted:

To be real for a second I actually read somewhere that mario was never really meant to be italian or anything specific but in making his sprite for donkey kong they wanted it to look like he had a big nose and not just a weird shaped head so theres a line of pixels between his nose and the rest of his head that form the outline of his nose.

People assumed it was a mustache and Miyamoto retconned him into being an italian carpenter (since donkey kong takes place on a construction site). Then somebody apparently told Miyamoto that Jumpman looked more like a plumber and Miyamoto agreed so he set Mario Brothers in the Sewers of New York City and made mario into an american.

I'm not sure about the not intending to have a mustache part but wikipedia confirms the other stuff.

Oh for sure. Jumpman was also supposed to have several jobs and just kinda got stuck at plumber. He did end up accomplishing having several jobs (wrecking crew, referee in Punch-Out, etc.) but I'm talking around the time he decided to make Mario an Italian plumber named... Mario. That was before getting mushrooms in Super Mario Bros.

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Paper Jam Dipper
Jul 14, 2007

by XyloJW
Reading that, maybe Square just had a habit of trying to make connection threads to former games and just went off the deep end when they had to do it with Chrono Cross. Had they just make it loosely connected instead of the stupid chibi Trigger scene we might have a little less to complain about.

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