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Jul 8, 2010

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Fangz posted:

Is that game actually any good?

It is Persona 3 with Servants instead of Personas. Make your own decisions about the game based on that.

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Jul 8, 2010

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I like (in the 'it's funny' sense) how they keep coming up with new Sabers that look just like the original Saber.

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Jul 8, 2010

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ShinsoBEAM! posted:

I looked up the first game and it is coming out in Oct in NA, is it worth getting? Arcueid as Berserker is pretty funny I got to say.

There was a mini-discussion on it a while back, the gist is that it's Persona 3 with Servants and a not-as-good battle system. So make your decision based on that.

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Jul 8, 2010

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Where the hell is Mahou Tsukai no Yoru

Seriously, where.

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Jul 8, 2010

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You think that's badass, wait until the actual fight.

Anyway, yes, the manga changes some things up a bit, some of it to fit the new fact that it's a manga, some of it just for different storyline details.

Overall it's the best version of the Arcueid route that exists.

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WickedIcon posted:

"DON'T LET HIM TRICK YOU! I AM TOHNO SHIKI!"

"No, I'm Spartacus!"

e:

Holy poo poo that was an awesome manga. Like, I hate to say this but that was better than the original route by a long shot. Got major Gurren Lagann vibes from the ending, in different ways. I really hope that this gets animated after Fate/zero is done with, assuming Type-MOON isn't just planning to milk Fate for god knows how long.

Where the hell is that Tsukihime remake, Type-Moon.

In fact, where the hell is anything from you, Type-Moon.

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Jul 8, 2010

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Question: Assuming I have a working understanding of Japanese grammar, how useful would reading VNs be for improving my Japanese overall in terms of vocabulary and more esoteric forms of speech?

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Jul 8, 2010

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UBW is about Shirou and Archer.
HF is about filling in backstory.
Fate is about... um, Saber, I guess?

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WickedIcon posted:

I'm not sure if there is enough on this planet for what I just typed.

As someone who does not like most of Heaven's Feel, one of my favourite moments in that route comes when after he's defeated Saber and is preparing to stab her with the Azoth Dagger, and he has this internal monologue about how he's sacrificing literally everything for Sakura's sake and it just isn't worth it - but he'll do it anyway, because he loves her.

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The sad part (for me) is that I like Tsukihime's story and characters a lot more than FSN's, but in terms of production values FSN completely blows Tsukihime out of the water.

One of the reasons why I've been eagerly waiting for the Tsukihime remake.

Since it was announced in 2008.

With absolutely no other details.

(I also kinda want to get into Muv Luv, but it looks to be way too long for me to start right now.)

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WickedIcon posted:

For what it's worth, you can completely skip the first two routes of Tsukihime and just read the manga instead, which cuts out a pretty solid chunk of the playtime. It basically throws Arcueid's route and the (very few) necessary bits from Ciel's route, along with a few plot points from the other three that aren't really expanded upon, in a blender and comes out with distilled loving awesome.

This is true, except that Tsukihime is set up so that you need to complete one Near Side route before you can access the Far Side routes.

I suppose one could do Ciel's route after reading the manga to see the ending(s) for her path.

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Jul 8, 2010

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I honestly wonder how many people got turned off by having to sit through Shirou's bullshit in Fate.

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Jul 8, 2010

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Isn't it voiced only if you install the Realta Nua patch?

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Jul 8, 2010

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There is that one bad ending in Fate where you have to consistently go out of your way to be a rear end to Saber in order to get.

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Endorph posted:

If you liked F/SN, including the cooking scenes and stuff, play Tsukihime.

If you were meh about the more boring scenes in F/SN, give Tsukihime a shot.

If you hated them with a fiery passion, I might give Tsukihime a skip. There's really only like three extended fight scenes in the entire thing, that I remember.

Everytime Tsukihime gets brought up here I will pimp the Tsukihime manga.

Read the manga. It is an absolutely fantastic adaptation of the Arcueid route (and it adds in most of the good bits of the Ciel route too.)

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Jul 8, 2010

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Odd. I don't really recall any problems with reading the game.

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I think learning how to manually edit Nscripter to "fix" the original game would be a better use of your time than this.

I still keep the hope alive, dammit.

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Jul 8, 2010

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The latest issue of Type Moon Ace has revealed that the Mahou Tsukai no Yoru demo will release on Dec 15.

Just a heads up if anyone wants to take a look.

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Dragas posted:

Has anybody read Fate/Hollow Ataraxia and is it any good? I marathoned F/SN and now I am wondering if I should be excited waiting for the translation to F/HA or not.

Have you ever played Kagetsu Tohya? It's like that, 90% focused on slice of life comedy between the cast.

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Jul 8, 2010

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Rin (and Kotomine's) infodumping are pretty low points in FSN regardless of the route you're going through.

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Jul 8, 2010

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If Tsukihime 2 consists entirely of Shiki (and Arcueid and Ciel) running around murdering the hell out of vampires I will take it and like it.

^ WickedIcon knows whats up. Tsukihime manga is fantastic.

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Jul 8, 2010

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I was reading the NeoGAF thread on Katawa Shoujo and aside from the dude who was whining about this being insulting towards disabled people, one of the things that struck me was that this is the first VN for a fair number of the people there and they kept posting stuff about being confused about how the choices worked and everything.

It was kinda to me, although I'm not sure this was a good choice for a first VN.

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Jul 8, 2010

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I wish there were less VNs (and well, stories in general) where the overarching conflict is not entirely dependent on the protagonist being a moron.

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CommissarMega posted:

Basically, are there any VNs out there that are funny and happy?

Kagetsu Tohya and Hollow/Ataraxia?

Of course you'd need to have played Tsukihime and F/SN to understand the references first...

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Jul 8, 2010

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Nate RFB posted:

The supposed ableism of the work is another matter entirely, and I do feel that so far (having finished Shizune and Hanako) that the main character has bothered me a few times. His disability is downplayed quite a bit, and hardly ever impacts his actions at all. It feels like a somewhat superficial justification so far for having a "normal" person inserted into this environment if the reason for him actually being there is irrelevant to the story at hand (I'm sure this will be different in the other routes). So, his perspective on this is somewhat suspect in my opinion. That said, I think the game has done a good job so far on not fetishizing any of the girls which is what I was never really excited for the game in general.


*Because honestly, we still have a pretty small pool of VNs to work with when you consider what has been translated.

Well, Emi and Lilly's routes (especially Lilly's) have Hisao's health issues being bigger part of his life than in the two routes you mentioned, so maybe that helps?

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Jul 8, 2010

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Has 4LS releasing the Katawa Shoujo OST been mentioned yet?

Here.

Katawa Shoujo really has some amazing music. Can't stop listening to Painful History.

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Jul 8, 2010

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slouch posted:

Call me crazy but this Aaeru person seems to make plenty of decent points. Why does JAST want to discourage fan translation of unlicensed titles? And is it not shady as gently caress that JAST's business model seems to be buying up already existing fan translations for pennies on the dollar just to re-release them for a profit? Visual Novels in the united states wouldn't be a market worth tapping at all if it weren't for groups of fans who have taken it upon themselves to open up VNs to a larger market.

The part where Aaeru proclaims the motivations of all visual novel writers in japan as if s/he knows them all personally is a little bit much but it's hardly a big deal.

I don't think 'wanting fan translations to be left unimpeded' is the crazy part, it's... well, everything else.

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Jul 8, 2010

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If you want more Tsukihime, you should check out the manga. It's basically the Arcueid route except with better pacing, characterization, artwork, and 200% more badassery.

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Fenrir posted:

That said, F/SN had a better overall plot and better characters (especially in the villain department, you're dead on there).

Villains is one thing I'll agree with, but most of the characters in F/SN bored or annoyed me compared to Tsukihime's cast.

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Jul 8, 2010

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Best Good End is still the manga's Good End.

'Good morning, Arcueid.'

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Jul 8, 2010

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Well, have you tried Katawa Shoujo?

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Jul 8, 2010

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...'Damaged goods?'

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Now we can go back to wondering if we'll get that Tsukihime remake before the end of the decade.

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Premise looks interesting. And it's USD 8. I can drop that much on impulse.

Unless people come back with 'oh god it's awful' here, I guess.

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nielsm posted:

It looks like a rather generic dating sim to me.

Unless they're secretly hawking lesbian relationships, a dating sim does not appear to be a viable proposition in a cast consisting of 90% females.

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Jul 8, 2010

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Man, I just want them to move on the Tsukihime remake so I can see my favourite Type Moon work drawn nicely for once.

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Silver2195 posted:

My thoughts on Tsukihime so far:

* I'm not sure why Shiki wasn't able to visit Ahika for eight years. I assume it will be explained later. I guess Old Man Tohno wouldn't let Shiki visit unless he agreed to stay?
* The prologue was a good way to begin; definitely more interesting than the way F/SN begins.
* I remember hearing that Shiki has alternate personalities or something like that. Perhaps that has something to do with Shiki's forgetfulness.
* Most of the "choices" so far seem kind of dumb; you aren't really given any relevant information to help you decide, and the options basically amount to "do completely ordinary thing X or completely ordinary thing Y".

Unlike FSN, there're minor route choices in Tsukihime. It's still fairly structured, but you can initially choose one of two paths during the first playthrough, and those early game choices can contribute to that.

(Although strangely enough, you can end up on the Ciel route on the basis of choices that never actually mention Ciel in any capacity at all.)

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Fangz posted:

Which is rubbish, as Carnival Phantasm shows.

Them working together resulted in them getting exploded by their girlfriends (either of whom are stronger than both of the boys together). Maybe that was the basis for them not working together well in the future.

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Tuxedo Catfish posted:

I'm looking forward to Mahoyo for exactly this reason.

I'm pretty sure Aoko starts her magus stint as 'embarassment of the Aozaki line', and only becomes Blue way later on.

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Jul 8, 2010

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Silver2195 posted:

Emotionally powerful, perhaps, but is "entertaining" really the word you mean?

Edit: In Tsukihime, I just had to choose between three bits of dialogue:1. "Well, it's because you're selfish, right?" 2. "Well, it's because you hate me, right?" 3. "Well, it's because you're a vampire, right?" Oh, Shiki. (I chose 3.)

Note that the 'correct' choice is 2: It's because you hate me.

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Jul 8, 2010

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But... Magic Eyes are an actual Thing in the setting. You can't just write it off like that.

Almost every character of any significance in Tsukihime comes with severe mental issues. And I'm not talking Saber's 'oh I have sacrificed my life as a person to live as a King' issues, I'm talking 'I am this close to flipping the gently caress out and murdering everything in a five-mile radius' issues.

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