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Mr.48
May 1, 2007


Every recommendation in this thread is wrong because they're not for The First Law trilogy by Joe Abercrombie

Although, after you read it your standards will be raised to the point where most other fantasy will seem like poo poo.

Other series that measure up: The Prince of Nothing by R. Scott Bakker, and A Song of Ice and Fire by George R.R. Martin will never be finished.

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Mr.48
May 1, 2007


Malazan was good at first, and the depth of the historical details of the world was very absorbing. Unfortunately, Erikson felt the need to constantly one-up the "bad guy" threat with every book like it was a Saturday morning cartoon. After the 10th or so HIS POWER LEVEL IS OVER NINE THOUSAAAAAAAAAND! moment, I just got sick of it.

Mr.48
May 1, 2007


"The bird let out a slow chicken cackle. It sounded like a chicken, but in her heart she knew it wasn't. In that instant, she completely understood the concept of a chicken that was not a chicken. This looked like a chicken, like most of the Mud People's chickens. But this was no chicken. This was evil manifest."

-Terry Goodkind.

Mr.48
May 1, 2007


Clinton1011 posted:

I just started the Black Company due to this thread and I am liking it so far but I am only 1 book in.

Just be sure to stop after book 3. Trust me on this one.

Mr.48
May 1, 2007


kcroy posted:



Dont strain yourself giving a description or anything.

Mr.48
May 1, 2007


Dramatika posted:

OK, the gist is that in the future, oil has run out and now calories get everything done. Power is provided by feeding food to animals that process calories efficently, and then walk around tightening springs that store energy.

Thats the dumbest and least efficient method of power generation since the "people batteries" in The Matrix. I wish that people who dont know jack poo poo about biology would stop trying to write books that depend on it for their plot/world-building.

Edit: Spelling

Mr.48 fucked around with this message at Oct 22, 2010 around 16:26

Mr.48
May 1, 2007


Dramatika posted:

I don't know, I'm willing to put aside wondering whether it would really be like this is real life when I read sci-fi/fantasy books. It's not the best book I've read recently, but it was entertaining. To each their own I guess.

I can ignore technical silliness when I'm reading science fiction, but not when those silly parts are fundamental parts of the world/story.

Mr.48
May 1, 2007


sky shark posted:

http://baencd.thefifthimperium.com/

Pretty much every Baen book, scattered throughout several CDs. They take the marketing approach of including these cd's with new hardcover copies of books; the intention is that by giving away the older works of an author, you'll get hooked and be more likely to purchase the new stuff.

Pretty solid strategy. I discovered several authors this way and bought a bunch of books as a result.

Mr.48
May 1, 2007


Kneel Before Zog posted:

Free? Heck yeah I'll read it. The link isn't working for me though. What do you guys think of the Black Company series by Glenn Cook , I think? Is it sort of like Joe Abercrombie fantasy?

Not really, the style is much less character focused, since the books are basically the chronicles of a mercenary company as kept by an official archivist. It reads like a series of diary entries, which of course is what it's meant to be so you won't get to know the characters (other than the person writing) as well as in Abercrombie's books.

Also, while I enjoyed them, the quality of writing in general is worse and I would recommend only reading the first 3 books, after that it goes downhill fast.

Mr.48
May 1, 2007


Literator posted:

Just finished The Chronicles of the Black Company and I was wondering how severe the drop in quality is of the later books in the series, is it still enjoyable so long as expectations are lowered or is it such a catastrophe that fans try to pretend it doesn't exist? Should I buy and continue the series?

The drop in quality isn't catastrophic until the last two books, but all the books starting from the fourth start a new storyline that isn't concluded until the aforementioned two terrible last books. So basically book 3 is a good place to stop if you want a decent conclusion.

Mr.48
May 1, 2007


The Spookmaster posted:

I've never really read much fantasy until a friend lent me a game of thrones which I read cover to cover in a day and finished the rest of the series in the next week. Martin's characters and world are really what grabbed me and the lack of over the top wizards/magic kind of threw the stereotype of fantasy I had for a loop. Having only really read A song of Ice and Fire and the Lord of the Rings books years ago which I honestly found boring what should I read next?

Joe Abercrombie's The First Law trilogy. You will jizz in your pants.

Mr.48
May 1, 2007


Read some David Gemmell:

http://forums.somethingawful.com/sh...hreadid=3369312

Dont let my walls of text scare you, these books are awesome enough to warrant them.

Mr.48
May 1, 2007


The Black Company Omnibus covers are pretty great though if not very diverse.

Mr.48
May 1, 2007


Velius posted:

No one claims Ringo is a good writer. In fact, almost everyone thinks he's horrible, along with Drake.

Drake's Seas of Venus stories are loving awesome (if not very scientifically correct) and I will challenge anyone who disagrees to some fisticuffs!

Mr.48
May 1, 2007


Duck and burger posted:

I gave The Blade Itself a bit of a shot but didn't get too far into it. My first impression was that the prose was wonderful, but after reading GRRM, three violent male leads got samey really fast. Is it worth pushing through (perhaps for the greater story) if that kind of thing seriously bothers me?

Absolutely, the whole trilogy is brilliant and only gets better the further you go.

Mr.48
May 1, 2007


Shakugan posted:

I'm currently trying to read through the first book of the Iron Druid Chronicles. I'm finding it difficult because it's just trying SO hard to be the Dresden Files.

Seriously people, if you haven't read the Dresden Files, go do so immediately. There is a good reason there is a giant Dresden Files thread on this forum. It's unfortunate that the first few books are far weaker than the rest, but it picks up from there and then never stops.

The audibooks are amazing, as James Masters does a fantastic job.

FUEEEEEEEGOOOOO

The first few are not that good, but I didnt like Gost Story either so maybe the series is already past its prime? I hope not, but it tends to happen with most long series, so the prospects arent great.

Mr.48
May 1, 2007


Chas McGill posted:

Joe Abercrombie is marginally better, yet still disappointing.

Something is broken inside your head. Seek help.

Mr.48
May 1, 2007


Chas McGill posted:

Abercrombie is disappointing in the sense that I don't find him to be the genre shattering colossus that so many have promised me he is. It was probably unfair of me to mention him in the same company as the others, yet I couldn't see him as anything but another false dawn.

Fair enough, I'm careful not to oversell any favorite author of mine to new readers, but I guess its not your fault if your expectations were set too high. Its all good.

Mr.48
May 1, 2007


TOOT BOOT posted:

Is science fiction mostly a western thing? I haven't encountered too many authors that aren't from the US/UK.

Is this a joke?

Mr.48
May 1, 2007


Rough Lobster posted:

Weird. I'm genuinely curious now. I've never read any of his stuff...would either of you be able to say why he's polarizing?

He has a very meandering style of writing. It can get pretty boring at times. Couple that with the sheer density of the writing and that makes his books very difficult to get into. I nearly gave up on his books several times out of sheer boredom. Was it worth it in the end? I'm not sure but as with any fiction you never know if you will like it until you give it a try.

Mr.48
May 1, 2007


Victorkm posted:

Oh god I just started Lies of Locke Lamora and really loving the con game in a fantasy setting. I'm pointing out twists before they are revealed just because I love and take in all the con man movies I can find. Really hating thst lynch is apparently so slow in writing book 3.

To be fair Lynch has slowed down because of clinical depression and not because he is too busy watching football and stuffing his face with pizza like another author I could mention.

Mr.48
May 1, 2007


So I'm reading C.S. Friedman's new Magister trilogy and it's pretty drat great. Its straight up pure fantasy as opposed to a fantasy/sci-fi hybrid like the Coldfire trilogy but the quality is amazing. Interesting world, great characters and plot moves at a brisk pace

Any fans of Friedman's previous work, or people who like fantasy in general will really enjoy these books. I'm finishing the second book and hope Friedman doesnt drop the ball towards the end of the trilogy, but so far she hasn't let me down!

Mr.48
May 1, 2007


Aside from the bigotry (of which there is plenty) Olympos was the most convoluted nonsensical gibberish I've ever read. It's like after finishing Illium Simmons had a stroke and then punched a typewriter for several days in a rage induced seizure about muslims producing what we now know as "Olympos"

Mr.48
May 1, 2007


Schizo posted:

I just didn't get Blindsight.

Everybody raved about how amazing it was and when I finished reading it, all I could think of was "...that's it?"

Nothing about it really stuck out at me as being particularly notable.

People are impressed by the fact that the author is a biologist and likes to go on about the details of how things work in his world from a scientific standpoint. However, as someone who actually studies the field that he covers in Blindsight, I saw a lot of holes in his theories and wasnt that impressed either. I guess its like doctors being unable to enjoy watching ER or House.

Mr.48
May 1, 2007


Its just that Blindsight struck me as a novel focusing much more on a particular idea as opposed to story or characters. And I didnt find the idea very compelling, so my overall impression of the work is not stellar. Thats not to say that its bad, I just wasnt blown away as many others were.

Mr.48
May 1, 2007


I've actually made it through the majority of the Malazan books and even liked most of them, but this quote perfectly captures the reason I stopped reading them:

Metonymy posted:

Erikson is talking about the T'loot T'lat Tlootl'e being at Power Level 90000 and crushing the Rag'kgnar.

Mr.48
May 1, 2007


Talas posted:

The first book is great and you should read it now. The second not so much.

Even the second book is still pretty good compared to the genre standard, its just not quite as great as the first.

Mr.48
May 1, 2007


Ornamented Death posted:

Twenty Palaces sold like poo poo because it was essentially the exact opposite of what most fans of the genre expect.

The problem is that he took a very Harry Dresden-like character and put him in a much darker and more serious world than Dresden's Chicago. So whereas in the Dresden Files you can brush off Harry doing silly weird things because it fits the world, the same thing doesnt work in the 20-Palaces world.

Likewise, people that go into it looking for more Dresden-files are disappointed because how much darker and less understandable this world is. I was personally loving the world and didnt appreciate the similarity of the protagonist's personality to Dresden.

He tried to have it both ways, and in the end ended up with something that didnt fully please either the people who wanted more Dresden or the people who wanted something more serious. Shame he's giving up on it though, I think he could have really ironed it out into something really cool.

Mr.48
May 1, 2007


Stupid_Sexy_Flander posted:

Exactly.

I loved the fact it didn't hand hold you for the "This is how the world works" bits. The protagonist is just a regular dude who is completely mystified by the freaky poo poo that happens, and it shows.

Dresden's world was built around the idea that he has always been around magic. He understands it, investigates it, figures out what's going on, knows about monsters, etc.

Ray's world is literally "What the gently caress did I just step into, and how can I avoid getting killed?"

He doesn't have years of training and 800 diff spells to mutter to do various things, or really anything at all. He has his ghost knife, some defensive magic spells that help shield him from some damage, and that's it.

It was a great change of pace.

Hell, we only meet like 1 or 2 of the "higher up" people in the society through all the books and prequels. I love the idea of the main character just being in the dark when it comes to all this random weird poo poo.

I felt the same way, which is why I really didnt appreciate the very Dresden-like endless internal monologues and deus ex machina resolutions(the climax of the second book was particularly bad).

Mr.48
May 1, 2007


Sojourn posted:

Another decent pulpy fantasy series is the War God series by David Weber:

http://www.baenebooks.com/c-50-war-...avid-weber.aspx

Unlike the stuff he's churning out lately it doesn't have a cast of a hundred one off characters and is actually fairly engaging. I've heard mixed things about the fourth book since it seems that he's decided to do the whole, "have everyone and their mother talk about their plans in too much detail over and over" thing that made me stop reading most of his later series.

I remember reading one or two of those but cant remember a thing about them. Guess its worth another shot?

Mr.48
May 1, 2007


Clinton1011 posted:

Yea I tried to watch them after reading the first 3 books and they just didn't compare. Also the editing drove me insane with how they would cut to different angles for no reason.

I am going to try them again though because the books have been so good so far.

One thing I liked about the movies is that they completely changed the story from what happened in the books. Like, 100% different, not just details changed. This meant that I could watch them without being spoiled from reading the books and vice versa. It was a bit strange to watch the same characters I though I knew do completely different things than what I was expecting, and some people hated the movies as a result but I thought it was alright.

Mr.48
May 1, 2007


Groke posted:

Heavily seconded, they are the dog's bollocks, the bee's knees, etc. The only downside is that after you've read them, nearly all of those "19th century navy IN SPACE" books which might otherwise be good entertainment will suck by comparison.

I tried reading those but gave up after 3 chapters of talking about various knots and sail types. Its felt like I need a nautical dictionary just to understand half the dialogue.

Mr.48
May 1, 2007


Rocketfish posted:

Damnitall. Does anyone know of any female fantasy/sci-fi authors that didn't eventually/haven't yet stumbled into YA?

C.S Friedman hasn't that I know of. Cant recommend her books enough!

Mr.48
May 1, 2007


Hedrigall posted:

Here's a review of 2312, and goddamn does it sound amazing: http://www.tor.com/blogs/2012/05/tr...tanley-robinson

It's shot pretty much to the top of my to-read list, just after China Miéville's new one.

I'll be on that poo poo like butter on bread.

gently caress Mieville though. gently caress him right in his word-mangling Marxist piehole. And I say that as a legit socialist.

Mr.48
May 1, 2007


MockingQuantum posted:

I don't know why, but it's conversations like this that makes me want to read some of his stuff. I'd rather an author be completely polarizing than "pretty good."

Heinlein was this way for me-- So many people I knew hated him, then I read Starship Troopers, and for reasons I cannot explain to this day, really liked it.

Then I read Stranger in a Strange Land, and kind of understood where everybody was coming from.

The problem is that I dislike Mieville's writing not because he does something balls-out crazy, but because its just lazy and unimaginative. The races in his fantasy world of Bas-Lag are composed of: Mosquito-people, shark-people, cactus-people, etc. I wish I was making that up.

Also, Starship Troopers is great and theres nothing weird about liking it. (its completely different from the movie)

Mr.48
May 1, 2007


General Battuta posted:

Just as a counterpoint, I think Bas-Lag is ferociously imaginative, even if the individual novels have their various unique flaws. You can make pretty much anything sound dumb on paper, but Perdido Street Station doesn't come off as unimaginative in practice, especially when held up against the seas of Tolkienesque fantasy crashing down on us.

And such derivative fantasy receives well deserved derision from the community. I dont see why Mieville should get a free pass.

Mr.48
May 1, 2007


Megazver posted:

Red Padawan! Darth Vader teleports to Earth and decides to help Stalin defeat the Nazis! (Funnily enough, this one has a recomendation from Lukyanenko.)

If you read Lukyanenko's posts on his website its clear that he is one goony fucker. It's really not surprising that he has horrible tastes in books, even though some of his own stuff is alright.

Wolpertinger posted:

Repairman Jack being some sort of libertarian superman really gets on the nerves as well.

Yeah I started reading those books because I liked the original Adversary Cycle, but I had to stop after book 3 or 4 because holy poo poo the writing is annoying. Everyone who isnt white is a stereotype, Jacks girlfriend is super-annoying and Jack himself was getting on my nerves with his fear of the government and constant spergin' about guns.

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Mr.48
May 1, 2007


ZerodotJander posted:

John Ringo is not an amazing writer and there is a lot of self-wankery, especially in his non-SF/F fare. But if you like Safehold, I would say that you should probably enjoy most of Ringo's works. You'd probably like the Prince Roger/Empire of Man books the best, especially the first 3, and the first 2 are available in the Baen Free Library-

http://www.baenebooks.com/p-267-march-upcountry.aspx
http://www.baenebooks.com/p-265-march-to-the-sea.aspx

I think it's a pretty solid and fun to read Coming of Age/Anabasis military SF story.

I started reading the first Prince Roger book and thought it was pretty decent until the reveal that the bad guys are bad because they are a bunch of environmentalists. I stopped reading after that.

Mr.48
May 1, 2007


mllaneza posted:

The stuff in the D-K thread isn't as bad as Ghost. Which was proofread, edited, laid-out and printed by people how had done that before. Then and only then did they put it in boxes and send it out to bookstores. Bookstores that paid for them.

Yeah, Ghost is that bad and it still has an ISBN number.

Not only that but Ringo has actually stated that the first Ghost book was just him typing out his darkest and most vile thoughts to try to purge himself of them. Strangely though, (or perhaps not so strangely) his right-wing readers just ate that poo poo right up so he said gently caress it and kept writing more of that.

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Mr.48
May 1, 2007


As far as Baen goes the only tolerable authors who arent right-wing pieces of poo poo are David Drake and Erik Flint (as far as I know). Ringo is probably he absolute worst of the bunch. If you want to experience his awful, right-wing, surprise sex fanfic through somebody else's horrified eyes check out this blog that gave rise to the OH JOHN RINGO NO meme:
http://hradzka.livejournal.com/194753.html

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