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FoneBone
Oct 24, 2004
stupid, stupid rat creatures

I need a clip of the entire "Rusty Venture" discussion, like, yesterday

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TheRationalRedditor
Jul 17, 2000

WHO ABUSED HIM. WHO ABUSED THE BOY.


What a stunningly excellent episode, that "hour" flew by.

Leave it up to goons bad at watching tv try to taint the thread afterwards. Acquit posting.

Robot Hobo
May 17, 2002

Any idiot can find something wrong with anything.

That's what makes them idiots.


FoneBone posted:

I need a clip of the entire "Rusty Venture" discussion, like, yesterday
There was an [adult swim] bumper earlier in the show that talked about the record number of bleeps they had to add to this episode, and the bizarre list of words they bleeped that weren't technically dirty words out of context. If such a video clip is assembled, that bumper needs to be at the beginning of it.

Sereri
Sep 30, 2008

awwwrigami



I'm disappointed that the 'Rusty Venture' still has no entry on urban dictionary.

TwoPair
Mar 28, 2010

Make the posts!
Make the posts!


Sereri posted:

I'm disappointed that the 'Rusty Venture' still has no entry on urban dictionary.

Well, since it would need like, 9 definitions, and we never did figure out what it actually was, it would be tough to make an entry for...

Doctor Reynolds
Jul 18, 2008

And any story where he isn't, he helps you forget!


I'm... not entirely sure why Doe and Cardholder taking over would be bad? I missed something there.

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009



TwoPair posted:

Well, since it would need like, 9 definitions, and we never did figure out what it actually was, it would be tough to make an entry for...

Well, easy, just make one for each definition, and then everyone gets to vote!

Red
Apr 15, 2003

You are a member of John Cena's stupid team of idiots and a traitor.

TAKE HIM AWAY!

Sanschel posted:

For everyone who keeps questioning whether this was a series ending:

edit: oh poo poo, looking at the attached pic I just realized that Triana's mom's house is the Amityville Horror house



Whew.

Even if that was the series finale, it would've been a perfect ending.

Red
Apr 15, 2003

You are a member of John Cena's stupid team of idiots and a traitor.

TAKE HIM AWAY!

Doctor Reynolds posted:

I'm... not entirely sure why Doe and Cardholder taking over would be bad? I missed something there.

If they were trying to take control of OSI by less-than-honest means, they probably wouldn't have been very righteous people once they got control of it, would they?

Vanilla Bison
Mar 27, 2010


Doctor Reynolds posted:

I'm... not entirely sure why Doe and Cardholder taking over would be bad? I missed something there.

They're stuffed shirt bureaucratic types, not men of action. And probably Guild agents to boot, but I'm sure the General would have considered that a much lesser offense.

madprocess
Sep 23, 2004

by Ozmaugh


Doctor Reynolds posted:

I'm... not entirely sure why Doe and Cardholder taking over would be bad? I missed something there.

They're definitely Guild double agents.

thefncrow
Mar 14, 2001


Doctor Reynolds posted:

I'm... not entirely sure why Doe and Cardholder taking over would be bad? I missed something there.

Because they were double agents working with the Guild. Meaning that if Doe and Cardholder took over OSI, the Guild would be controlling OSI.

feedmyleg
Dec 25, 2004

EVERY FAIRY TALE NEEDS ITS HERO.

quimarello posted:

Jackson is the bearded one, Doc is the skinny, black-and-white haired one.

Jackson (also known as Christopher McCulloch) does The Monarch, Hank, Hatred, Pete White, Hunter, Killinger, and 24, while Doc voices Dr. Mrs. The Monarch, Shore Leave, Billy, 21, Dermott, and the Outlier.

And I'm so glad they did video bumps for this episode

Does anyone know if these bumpers will be available online anywhere?

Doctor Reynolds
Jul 18, 2008

And any story where he isn't, he helps you forget!


Oh. That's what I get for missing it the first time around and having to stay up late.

Metajo Cum Dumpster
Mar 20, 2005


Data Graham posted:

This may sound dumb as hell, but I got a big sloppy grin on my face when Dermott joined in on the Go Team Venture.

I completely missed the significance of that until now.

The Day Mang
Aug 2, 2010


Am I right in thinking that the ambiguity of where the show is headed means they're probably shopping it around? Venture Bros could probably be a good fit for FX, and they almost certainly have deeper pockets than Adult Swim.

Skeezy
Jul 3, 2007

Oh! I Feel It.
I Feel The Cosmos!


The Day Mang posted:

Am I right in thinking that the ambiguity of where the show is headed means they're probably shopping it around? Venture Bros could probably be a good fit for FX, and they almost certainly have deeper pockets than Adult Swim.

Pretty sure it would stay on Adult Swim, unless they said otherwise. Either way it would be good for FX I suppose.

ShemJac
Oct 18, 2006

It is not death. Prepare to become fictional.


"Failure" is the primary motif, not the theme. Themes can't be one word. And just because the writers talked about failure in an interview one time doesn't mean there's not more to the show! Our analysis and enjoyment of the show shouldn't be limited to, "How does this relate in an obvious way to something that's been explicitly stated to us?"

Ror
Oct 21, 2010

oh my god - it's full of stars!


ShemJac posted:

"Failure" is the primary motif, not the theme. Themes can't be one word. And just because the writers talked about failure in an interview one time doesn't mean there's not more to the show! Our analysis and enjoyment of the show shouldn't be limited to, "How does this relate in an obvious way to something that's been explicitly stated to us?"

This is pretty much what the creators said. The only reason they have been recently backpeddling on the idea of failure is because fans feel the need to tie the theme into everything. There's still plenty of failure in the show but Doc and Jackson are understandably annoyed at people saying, "So, how does the portal in Triana's closet represent failure?"

Ensign_Ricky
Jan 4, 2008

JACKASSERY!


In fact I would say "failure" has been more in the background since "The Doctor is Sin" when at the end Rusty says "I really need to get my poo poo together." Since that point, while the characters still experience failure to a certain extent, we do see them succeeding as well. After all, the "spanish fly" did technically work...for a little bit before all the mutating. Earlier this season, they'd apparently worked out all the bugs in the shrink ray when they reduced Hatred in size. Hank passed Hunter and Shore Leave's "tests", and did actually graduate. poo poo, Hank got laid. They're having small victories, but victories nonetheless.

Revol
Jul 31, 2003

EHCIARF EMERC...
EHCIARF EMERC...


penismightier posted:

The animation is just stellar.

The animation for Brock jumping off the bike into a run was incredible.

Tender Bender posted:

On the repeat, the fact that the chick Brock was hooking up with wasn't working with Molotov suggests she was bluffing. Or it might just mean not all of them were assassins.

You're reading too much into it. It's simple; Brock is the man and he always gets the girl.

Metajo Cum Dumpster
Mar 20, 2005


Venture back to back with Archer would make for a great hour.

BooDoug187
Apr 8, 2005

Don't you fear the yetis in Rio?

Robot Hobo posted:

There's no question in my mind that Brock gave the correct definition of a "Rusty Venture."

It was the most pathetic and frankly boring answer, and therefore the most obviously correct.

Thats why he jerked off 12 times in one day.


theflyingexecutive posted:

It was because Brock didn't synchronize his watch.

To be fair, his watch didn't have tetris on it.

Revol
Jul 31, 2003

EHCIARF EMERC...
EHCIARF EMERC...


Rewatching the episode now. Huh, Triana doesn't have those bags under her eyes anymore.

Dodgeball
Sep 24, 2003

Oh no! Dodgeball is really scary!


Revol posted:

Rewatching the episode now. Huh, Triana doesn't have those bags under her eyes anymore.

She's very happy with the cripster Raven.

Robot Hobo
May 17, 2002

Any idiot can find something wrong with anything.

That's what makes them idiots.


Ensign_Ricky posted:

stuff

Your avatar got me thinking. It's implied that Kano killed Jonas Venture because he was going to activate the Orb. Later it's discovered that the Orb was already broken back in Lloyd Venture's time. So if Kano did kill Jonas to protect the world from the power of the Orb, it was ultimately all for nothing. I hope nobody ever tells Kano the Orb was already useless, I don't think the dude could take that.


... And then the orb was sent back in time so Brisco County Jr. could find it in the old west.

Ensign_Ricky
Jan 4, 2008

JACKASSERY!


Robot Hobo posted:

Your avatar got me thinking. It's implied that Kano killed Jonas Venture because he was going to activate the Orb. Later it's discovered that the orb was already broken back in Lloyd Venture's time. So if Kano did kill Jonas to protect the world from the power of the orb, it was ultimately all for nothing.


... And then the orb was sent back in time so Brisco County Jr. could find it.

Ah, but Kano was already a mute-by-choice in Jonas' time, so once the Orb was shown to be a giant useless Macguffin, the whole "Kano killed Jonas" thing gets thrown into question.

Also, the Orb in Brisco is waaaaaay bigger than the Venture Orb.

Klungar
Feb 12, 2008

Klungo make bessst ever video game, 'Hero Klungo Sssavesss Teh World.'


The ORB is a Piece of Eden, OSI are Templars, the Guild are Assassins.

livingfruitvirus
Nov 20, 2002

Grrr

The Day Mang posted:

Am I right in thinking that the ambiguity of where the show is headed means they're probably shopping it around? Venture Bros could probably be a good fit for FX, and they almost certainly have deeper pockets than Adult Swim.

Cartoon Network owns The Venture Bros. and all copyrights and trademarks, so it won't go anywhere.

proof of concept
Mar 6, 2005

Screw BU. Harvard too.

thebardyspoon posted:

Oh god Pete White had a woman turn into a fly monster thing while she was going to town on his junk.

If his was anything like Rusty's then before transforming she vomited acid onto his junk.

thrakkorzog
Nov 16, 2007


So doing a rewatch, I realized that Sgt. Hatred now has a big VD tattoo.

messagemode1
Jun 9, 2006



thrakkorzog posted:

So doing a rewatch, I realized that Sgt. Hatred now has a big VD tattoo.

I got the impression he now has V E N T U R D tattoo'd down his body, since he didn't get the D removed, although I could've missed the line where he may have said he got them all removed but not replaced with Venture and just has a big V on his face (edit: and a D on his d).

Phone
Jul 30, 2005

brb, shortcut

proof of concept posted:

Alright, here you go. It's not exactly high-res which is why I didn't share it before, but I don't mind that so much so this does the job for me.


Click here for the full 1366x768 image.

Only registered members can see post attachments!

Phone
Jul 30, 2005

brb, shortcut

Phone posted:




Only registered members can see post attachments!

Timeless Appeal
May 28, 2006



Ensign_Ricky posted:

In fact I would say "failure" has been more in the background since "The Doctor is Sin" when at the end Rusty says "I really need to get my poo poo together." Since that point, while the characters still experience failure to a certain extent, we do see them succeeding as well. After all, the "spanish fly" did technically work...for a little bit before all the mutating. Earlier this season, they'd apparently worked out all the bugs in the shrink ray when they reduced Hatred in size. Hank passed Hunter and Shore Leave's "tests", and did actually graduate. poo poo, Hank got laid. They're having small victories, but victories nonetheless.
Really the bigger theme of the show isn't so much "Everyone fails" as it is the failure of the promises and hopes of the 50s-70s especially when it came to speculative and fantasy fiction.

Through seasons 1-3, Hank and Dean still believed in that promise of a very wholesome world full of adventure. It held them back though. They had no sense of self, they were blind to their father's quiet resentment of them, and had no chance with what they really wanted in life (Friends, girls, careers).

Dean finally broke in this finale, but this whole season started with Hank no longer really caring. It's improved his life though. As bad as his relationship was with Rusty early in the season, he's actually had some touching moments with his dad. He had sex. He has a bestfriend. He's actually shown himself to be a fully capable person.

I remember one of the writers or producers of The Simpsons explaining on a DVD commentary that one of the core messages of most Simpsons episodes is that, "You're never going to get exactly what you wanted and that's okay."

I think something similar runs through Venture Bros. Al is a great example. He's one of the happiest characters on the show and a lot of that has to do with the fact that he's accepted that he's just a pudgy middle-aged gay dude. It even has allowed him to focus on stuff like a cure for AIDS that's infinitely more important than anything any of the other characters have done.

So, yeah, people fail, but it's not this extreme cosmic rule that all individuals on the show have to fail at literally everything. There is success in failure.

thebardyspoon
Jun 30, 2005


proof of concept posted:

If his was anything like Rusty's then before transforming she vomited acid onto his junk.

Yeah it was probably like when Brundlefly sprayed acid all over that guys arm in The Fly.

Hypocrisy
Oct 4, 2006
Lord of Sarcasm

I thought the last scene was about Dean learning to stand up for himself a bit instead of quietly accepting what everyone around him says.

Coolio
Nov 5, 2009

by Ozmaugh


More like Dean being a petty teenager to a guy who was just trying to be nice to him. Success!

FoneBone
Oct 24, 2004
stupid, stupid rat creatures

Someone YouTubed the Rusty discussion: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f60xokC84jY

Well, most of it. Triana's explanation is sadly absent.

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Optimus Subprime
Mar 26, 2005

Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have guns, why should we let them have ideas?


Man, gently caress the Outrider.

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