|
nostrata posted:I've ordered one, super excited to get my hands on it. The waiting is killing me because my main computer died a few weeks ago. Son of a bitch, I didn't know preordering had begun and now they're sold out. 
|
#
¿
Apr 9, 2016 21:36
|
|
|
|
| # ¿ Apr 26, 2024 22:59 |
|
|
How about this RAM and SSDs for a Skull Canyon NUC? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232169 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147399 The 850 Evo seems pretty solid and well-liked. It'd be nice to have a pair of 1 TB SSDs in there but there are few options (that Intel 540s TLC and the SanDisk X400, I guess, the latter probably being the better choice.)
|
|
#
¿
Apr 11, 2016 08:44
|
|
|
Krailor posted:Those parts are fine but if you might as well go all-in and get the NVMe version of the drive instead. Who cares about money. blowfish posted:Intel>Samsung 850 EVO>Sandisk>else. The goon hivemind considers Samsung to be the optimum price/performance point, with little benefit for the average user from moving to intel, but more consistent performance than Sandisk. Oh I know about the SSDs in general, I'm just asking about those parts in particular as a fantasy purchase; I didn't get the NUC preorder in time so I'm not buying any components yet. That Intel 540s is a new, low-end TLC line; Intel in name only. That's why I said it's probably behind the SanDisk in the 1 TB m.2 category. The EVO is probably going to be the best balance of price/performance/capacity. I really would like 1 TB drives as I'll be installing games, doing video transcoding, etc., but it seems like neither of the options is particularly exceptional. 32 GB of RAM is indeed most likely unnecessary, even after 4 GB is reserved for RAPID and whatever the Iris Pro graphics take (at least until the Razer Core is released.) I know that I could be fine with 16 GB and get faster RAM for less money, like this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232188 Then again, there's also this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232190 Anyways, like I said I'm just exploring components until the NUC is actually available. Plus, keep in mind that someone building a Skull Canyon NUC isn't necessarily building one out of necessity or practicality. On top of that, I would like my Windows system to have more RAM than my Chromebook! 
|
|
#
¿
Apr 11, 2016 21:50
|
|
|
FunOne posted:I actually just upgraded my machine to 32gigs of RAM. A couple of reasons: A) It was cheap, less than 50 bucks to add another 16 gigs. B) My home machine does all the things, it is also the file server, back up server, plex server, etc. C) I've started using Adobe for work, so now Chrome+InDesign+Photoshop+Illustrator can all live happily together. Eletriarnation posted:Keep in mind that used memory != needed memory; most OSes will happily cache up stuff that was used recently but not at the moment because it's of more potential use than just letting the memory go free, but if there's demand they will dump cached items and free the memory for programs that actively need it. As an example I'm sitting at 9.2GB in use out of 16 right now but while it says there's only 6.8G left "available", 6.5G of what's used is cache so I am actually over 13GB from running out. That's another thing, aside from actual uses for tons of RAM like VMs or a RAMdisk, memory is pretty cheap. I'd rather have more than I need right now than have to buy it twice and upgrade down the line. I'm totally OK with letting the OS cache everything and have a system that's as fast as I can make it. SSDs are definitely coming down in price but the high-end stuff (PCIe) is still expensive, so having the right RAM can be the best bang for your buck. I still have time to decide exactly how much I'm going to get, but compared to the other components the RAM for this NUC will be the cheapest component.
|
|
#
¿
Apr 13, 2016 03:36
|
|
|
G.SKILL RAM is temporarily on sale for PAX East for those of you looking to pick up some DDR4 SO-DIMMs for your NUCs or whatever: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&IsNodeId=1&N=100007609%20601190333%2050008476
|
|
#
¿
Apr 21, 2016 15:54
|
|
|
Skull Canyon NUCs are available to preorder on Newegg again gogogo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856102166
|
|
#
¿
Apr 23, 2016 03:41
|
|
|
AVeryLargeRadish posted:IIRC, it comes with an extra plate to replace the skull logo if you don't like it.    There's no loving way I'm spending this much money on a tiny unnecessary PC and not using the skull cover!
|
|
#
¿
Apr 23, 2016 04:50
|
|
|
nostrata posted:Umm... Baddie checking in to say I will most definitely be going with the skull lid. Although I am curious about the "support for 3rd party lids" that is mentioned in the adds for it. It seems like an odd thing to mention if they didn't have something lined up already. Eh, I think it'd be weird if there was an aftermarket for covers for a single, high-priced NUC. Unless of course this is the form factor they're moving forward with. Even then, I think the "support" just refers to the fact that it's easy to change covers, so if anyone bothers to make them it's a simple swap.
|
|
#
¿
Apr 23, 2016 17:50
|
|
|
Tab8715 posted:Isn't this what's in Microsoft phones? Nah, Snapdragons in their recent Lumia stuff: https://www.microsoft.com/en/mobile/phone/lumia950-xl/specifications/
|
|
#
¿
Apr 30, 2016 01:52
|
|
|
Rastor posted:I think Tab8715 is referring to a phone that only made it to the rumor phase: He said "what's in" their phones, which would imply existing models rather than rumors. The Lumias are the MS phones that came to mind. Edward IV posted:But it does hurt the prospect of an x86-powered Surface phone and supports the recent rumors that the Surface phone will be powered by a Snapdragon 830 instead. I wasn't addressing that though. If anything I think it's a little odd that Asus went with the Atoms in the aforementioned Zenfones and MS never even tried when it certainly could have.
|
|
#
¿
Apr 30, 2016 22:30
|
|
|
VulgarandStupid posted:Just a reminder, as we move on into the warmer and often more humid months, don't forget to turn on your dehumidifiers. OMG OMG OMG CLEON WANG!!!  HE'S SO DREAMY!Also, Doom House 2016?
|
|
#
¿
May 6, 2016 17:37
|
|
|
necrobobsledder posted:Fan death is a Korean thing, not Chinese, Thai, or Malaysian.  Shut up
|
|
#
¿
May 8, 2016 05:55
|
|
|
It's Skull Canyon NUC release day! Mine is on the way!
|
|
#
¿
May 12, 2016 18:04
|
|
|
NewFatMike posted:I think the biggest appeal of the NUC is that it's a gadget, kind of novel size wise, and is just kind of neato. nostrata posted:It's a little bit more expensive than buying a case, motherboard and chip but it's not like 650 is bank breaking for what it is. It does limit upgrade options and I think the razor core is more expensive than its worth. Hopefully the idea takes off and drives price down some. I would probably get one if it was 250/300 but not at 500. Ideally someone would come out with a standalone external GPU that connects via thunderbolt3 like some of the booths showing the NUCs off had. Basically this. It's a lot of power in a tiny package; in fact, show me a desktop that packs more power into less space. It's expensive, yes, but compact performance has always carried a price premium. On top of that, I wouldn't even say hardware upgrades are limited: I have 32 GB of RAM which is more than I can ever imagine needing for my purposes. There's space for 2 M.2 NVMe cards down the line if I ever feel the need to replace the EVO 850s I have now, in addition to USB3 external storage. If the i7 ever became insufficient, well that would be several years down the line, when I'd just replace the whole thing. Come to think of it, out of all the PCs I have not a single Intel CPU is inadequate even at upwards of 5 years old, not to mention the i7s. Once the Core is available that makes GPU upgrades simple. That covers every upgrade scenario I can think of. The Skull Canyon NUC does everything I want it to without any realistic limitations. At the moment, to address nostrata's request above, there's potentially going to be an Acer Graphics Dock with a 960M that connects via TB3: http://liliputing.com/2016/03/acer-graphics-dock-delivers-nvidia-graphics-usb-c.html  With all that in mind, how about some Skull Canyon NUC porn!     Welp, um, that's it. I didn't want to include any of the boring exterior shots that you can already find online, and the build is like 4 steps, so that's all I've got.  Let me know if you want to see any more photos or whatever.
|
|
#
¿
May 15, 2016 04:48
|
|
|
nostrata posted:I got 32 gigs of ram and a 500gb Samsung 850 waiting to put in mine. I might get another at some point but in all honesty 500gb is probably going to be fine for me. My last computer had only a 250 and I never filled it up. I've got an Intel 240 GB SSD in my gaming desktop, and considering how you're not supposed to fill them to max anyway, it's getting a little too close for comfort. I'm going to try RAID on the 850s in the NUC. Cardboard Box A posted:The point at which you're stuffing an external GPU into a separate case with its own power supply, is the point at which you might as well have a small expensive desktop What is that? Are those two boxes connected?
|
|
#
¿
May 15, 2016 08:43
|
|
|
VulgarandStupid posted:They are both mITX computers. I like that tall "Sword Art Online"  case; do you have any more info on it? I'm assuming it's just decorated that way, and I don't have a model number or anything else to look it up.As others mentioned, the main use case for the Core is for a laptop. It totally makes sense to have your nice Ultrabook with you through the day, then bring it home to connect to your Core so you can game. The Core includes Ethernet as well as USB ports; if you could get enough power over the Type C cable that would be the only thing you'd need to connect to your laptop, which would be sweet. That being said, it makes a little less sense to use a video card dock like the Core on any non-portable system, however, if future desktops trend towards supporting external graphics then it's still totally viable. The idea is that your standardized graphics dock can be swapped between your desktop AND your laptop as desired. It's universal now to have a desktop with an internal graphics card, but if the Core works, then... it just works. Realistically the most commonly upgraded component is probably the video card anyway, so as I described last time that's the only thing I'd ever need to upgrade before retiring a PC several years down the line. You're right about mITX builds being the most well-rounded choice now, I won't argue with that. That's just not what I need or want at this point. nostrata posted:Mine just came in. Now to gently caress off the rest of the day setting it up. Lol, it's like a 5-minute setup process (hardware, at least.) It took me a while to figure out how to setup the RAID array (Ctrl-I). I'm debating whether the performance is worth the loss of SMART diagnostics and RAPID mode (Samsung Magician only sees the array and not the individual drives.) The performance sure is nice though. ~1 TB of space and almost 1 TB/sec R/W for ~$300 is pretty sweet. nostrata posted:If you are just rdp-ing in do you even need a monitor connected? Just use it for the initial setup and then put it in place with just power and data. No, but I found out (using Chrome Remote Desktop) that the mouse cursor disappears on the remote desktop (Win10) if you don't have a physical mouse attached to the host. You don't need a keyboard or monitor at all though. nostrata posted:As for my skull Canyon, it certainly looks a lot different sitting on my desk. Still trying to download some stuff and get it configured the way I like it. But the few games I have on it so far have run decently during their test runs. But I don't really play any newer games. I'll need to find more intense parts of the game to play to really test it out but so far I'm pleased with it. Did you manually update drivers after installing the OS? I did, and then I used the Intel Driver Update Utility; the utility detected that some updates weren't installed, except that they were. I'll wait a little while before revisiting that so they can work out the bugs and properly detect the installed drivers. Oh yeah, here are some benchmark results for those interested: https://www.passmark.com/baselines/V8/display.php?id=61898251144
|
|
#
¿
May 17, 2016 04:59
|
|
|
VulgarandStupid posted:The Silverstone RVZ02 is the case I'm currently using. It's a nice case and supports a full size GPU, but it doesn't support 3.5" drives. I ripped out the slimline DVD mounting point and shoved a 3.5" drive, but its loud, which is very annoying. Both the CPU and GPU go right up against filtered intakes and have separate thermal chambers so it cools pretty well. It's also relatively cheap and is only 12 liters in size. Thanks for the ID on that case, guys; it turns out it actually looks even better in the original black as compared to animu-white.  I probably should've mentioned that aside from the fact that the Core isn't even available yet, I'm in no hurry to get one and will wait until the price drops (on either that or the future competitors.) I have other gaming systems and plenty of other devices to do what I need, so when the time is right I'll get some external graphics adapter. That's part of what's justifying the expenditure: I'm going to wait until it's a reasonable price anyway. nostrata posted:Well sure putting everything together was simple but I wanted to have it operational by the time I got home. Had a good time playing around with it after the kids went to bed. Played some games at 1080 with med/high quality and didn't notice any framerate issues but I wasn't really tracking it. Maybe tomorrow I'll actually monitor it but I was pleased with the performance. I didn't experience the monitor issue again tonight but I'll try that update utility in the morning and keep an eye on it. Ah, that's another thing; even as-is without an external GPU, it's plenty powerful for the games I'm interested in. I checked that Intel-provided list and everything that I care about is older, but plays at 1080p on medium-to-high settings. My main game is World of Tanks, which is about 5 years old at this point. I don't give a poo poo if I don't have a PC that can run 4k VR games. Paul MaudDib posted:It's a nice idea but it's not going to be practical until the trend toward heavily-throttled 10W TDP mobile parts stops. A lot of games will easily max an overclocked desktop quadcore let alone some 2ghz mobile SKU. The thermal solutions aren't built for sustained load either, after they're up to temperature the CPU will start throttling and your framerates will crash. Yeah, I mean I guess that's true for the Ultrabooks, but there are gaming laptops (like what Razer is building) that have higher TDP chips and are better-positioned to take advantage of easy GPU upgrades. My old Y500 for example has a 3630QM which is still a solid CPU and happens to have a 45W TDP. It's not the most portable device, but Lenovo took gaming laptops in the right direction by selling a good i7 with 16 GB of RAM and 650M SLI, plus a 15.6" 1080P display all for a great price. If I needed to do anything to boost performance a few years later (i.e., today) an external GPU upgrade would be exactly what I'm looking for. Again, though, the machines I play on work exactly as well as they ever did because I play the same games I did when I bought/built the devices originally. I like the SFX-A4 and RVZ02, though; I'll keep those in mind for a potential future desktop build. That's kind of what attracted me to the NUC in the first place; I long since grew tired of building regular ATX boxes, so smaller, more creative machines are what interest me nowadays.
|
|
#
¿
May 18, 2016 08:11
|
|
|
Anime Schoolgirl posted:http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-06-21/intel-fights-record-1-2-billion-antitrust-fine-at-top-eu-court Intel should get a goddamn award for "squeezing out AMD."
|
|
#
¿
Jun 22, 2016 04:31
|
|
|
HMS Boromir posted:...I should probably stop posting about my dumb monitor. Every time I do a swarm of people has to jump in and tell me I'm an idiot for not spending a bunch of money on something I don't want. I've used 1080p monitors and the "upgrade" is not worth money to me. People keep jumping down your throat about this because you're just being stubborn, instead of sharing an opinion backed up by logic. Voluntarily using an HD monitor limits your options and productivity, and FHD isn't even high-res nowadays. It's one thing if you literally can't afford anything better, but if that was the case we could set up a Gofundme and raise the, say, $120 in like an hour: http://computers.woot.com/offers/samsung-24-full-hd-led-backlit-monitor-101 You choosing to stick with an old monitor is like choosing to use floppy disks in TYOOL 2016 or to continue using an old 2 MP Sony compact camera. Sure they might still "work" but newer technology provides better options and valid reasons for upgrading (again, unless you're literally completely broke, in which case you should stop playing video games and get a loving job.) HMS Boromir posted:Honestly I wouldn't even have posted about it if I hadn't gotten this reaction before. It's seriously fine and there isn't something wrong with my brain that's making me think so. Except there is something wrong with your brain. Stockholm syndrome is a real phenomenon. Get help. 
|
|
#
¿
Jul 19, 2016 17:31
|
|
|
HMS Boromir posted:I think my logic is pretty sound. I've used a higher resolution monitor, it's nicer for desktop use but not by enough that I actually want one for that reason, especially since again I am not doing any work I'm getting paid for on this monitor. I don't think that calls for a cascade of people calling my choice of monitor resolution "horrible" and "making things hard on myself" and "Stockholm Syndrome" (jesus) but apparently goons disagree. No, you're being completely illogical. You admit using a higher-resolution display and finding it satisfactory. Your current display restricts you, whereas upgrading would give you the advantage of the higher resolution or being able to run at a lower one when you want, as has already been explained to you. Your old monitor doesn't give you the desktop real estate that would otherwise increase your productivity. Your old display is a bottleneck, an upgrade literally gives you all the capabilities you have and more. We can't really restate this any more differently, in a language you can understand. You're not using logic, you're being obstinate.
|
|
#
¿
Jul 19, 2016 17:53
|
|
|
Twerk from Home posted:What's next, people poo poo-talking ball mice? If you still use a ball mouse then there are no words to express the pity we have for you.  On second thought, if you still have a functioning ball mouse that's pretty impressive.  Unless you're using it because you're a hipster, in which case 
|
|
#
¿
Jul 20, 2016 02:45
|
|
|
Rexxed posted:I've got serial and PS/2 but I don't use them any more. lol,  SourKraut posted:I've got one of the Apple puck mice framed in a shadow box above my desk to remind me of both the hilarious and sometimes stupidly of Apple designs (and I say this as an Apple fan), as well as to act as a reminder of the craziness of ball mice. Ah, I had totally forgotten about the hockey puck piece-of-poo poo; we had them with lovely iMacs that everyone hated back in high school. I mean them being ball mice is one thing, but the horrendous design wouldn't have been saved by having an optical sensor! Except the ball hockey puck probably sold for $80, and then Apple would've sold the optical "iPuck Pro" for like $160 and idiots still would've bought them.
|
|
#
¿
Jul 20, 2016 05:25
|
|
|
Sormus posted:Standard ball mice? Dear sirs, it is trackball or death I actually used one of these, for gaming even, for quite a few years: amazon.com/Logitech-TrackMan-Marble-Wheel-Mac/dp/B00004L8IG Ak Gara posted:I'm glad the clitoris fell out of favour. Those were annoying. Not only is the Trackpoint great, I actually use one of these things (although mine is the US standard keyboard version,) which is kind of like the whole keyboard/wristrest surface area from an old IBM Thinkpad:  It's great, it's got a 2-port USB2 hub and combines all the best inputs from a Thinkpad; I use it for any work I have to do on a [otherwise typically] headless system or for newer system builds/rebuilds. The only issue is that since it's over a decade old, Windows 10 installs Synaptic drivers for it (which are just wrong) so the touchpad & Trackpoint stop working until you manually update/revert them (which you only have to do once) but that requires either just using the keyboard & tabbing around, or adding a temporary mouse. blowfish posted:Also, there doesn't exist a trackpad in the world that isn't garbage. Even apple trackpads are merely less garbage, not good. Counterpoint: Google Pixel's glass trackpad. NewFatMike posted:i5+RX470/480/GTX1060 is shaping up to be the way to go this gen, should handle 1080p games with the 480/1060 largely indefinitely? If you plan on holding onto things for 3+ years, a Freesync monitor with the 480 is a combo that Nvidia can't really counter. Yeah, it was slow otherwise in here. I did want to add that part of the reason I was being so insistent is because of my experience with this system:  It's a Toshiba Satellite U845W-S400, a weird laptop with a 21:9 display.  It's really only ideal for watching widescreen video and side-by-side multitasking, but it's nice because you can easily view wide content, use the whole display (contrasted with my Pixel's nice but 3:2 display,) while keeping the rest of the system very compact and portable. The sticking point is that the resolution is only 1792 x 768, which is fine when watching video but that vertical resolution is pretty limiting, particularly on Windows 10; some of the system windows don't even expect to launch on a display that shallow, so they extend beneath the taskbar. That's why I can't imagine Boromir actually enjoying his 1366x768 display, he's just being too goddamn stubborn about the whole situation.
|
|
#
¿
Jul 22, 2016 04:34
|
|
|
|
| # ¿ Apr 26, 2024 22:59 |
|
|
Ak Gara posted:There's some thing I don't get, is it motherboard limited or cpu limited that a motherboard would come with 2 USB 3. 0's and 20 USB 2.0's? They're backwards compatible! Why even include the slower ones? Same for SATA, why only 2 SATA 6gbps and 10 SATA 3gbps? I haven't quite seen a 2:20 disparity, but in general I've wondered why current systems/mobos can be found with any more than about 4 USB2 ports. My 3+ year old SFF desktop has 2xUSB3 in the front, and without even looking I believe I have 4xUSB3 and 2xUSB2 in the back; if anything I'm surprised that it has more USB3 ports and doesn't at least have 4xUSB2. There's a couple reasons I can think of. First of all, like you said, cost; if a mobo manufacturer can sell boards with only a few USB3 ports, and adding more increases costs greater than returns, then they're not going to do it. If most people don't need 10xUSB3 ports, then they're not going to want to spend way more than they need to for a system. In general, USB2 ports are fine for most of the devices you already have and use daily: mouse, keyboard, headset/USB audio device, webcam, BT adapter, printer, other game controllers, etc. USB3's speed is really only needed for things like a Gigabit Ethernet adapter, or external storage devices, and how many external HDDs do you actually need connected to a single PC simultaneously? I mean I'm sure you can find uses for extra USB3 ports, but you can probably only make use of a few at once. Personally, I only use at most one of the USB3 ports in the front for temporary access to a USB flash drive or external HDD; everything else I have connected to this PC is via a USB2 hub. Another reason you won't just find a bunch of USB3 ports with a complete absence of USB2 ports is compatibility; some older devices may not function as expected when connected to USB3 despite supposed backwards compatibility, and there is known interference from USB3 on the 2.4 GHz wireless band.
|
|
#
¿
Jul 23, 2016 23:48
|
|