BangersInMyKnickers posted:

Apple is looking long and hard at moving to Arm on their laptops for the power/weight benefits. The iOS-ification of OSX and channeling software through their app store is going to enable them to force 3rd party devs to re-write (assuming its needed) and compile for both Arm and x86 platforms in a laptop form factor without having to do the messy transition period for the user like what happened with Rosetta and the move to Intel. Intel knows this, and they're scared shitless at the prospect. I have a feeling if the transition does happen that the iMac and Mac Pro lines will stay on x86 for a lot longer than the mobile stuff.

Alereon posted:

While there will be limited numbers of enthusiast Broadwell CPUs available in LGA, most models (including desktop models) will be BGA-only.

Ika posted:

devil's canyon looks really tempting, I have a sandy bridge which is fine 95% of the time but with broadwell pushed back a year and presumably not going to be much faster, might not be worth waiting.

Its too bad Intel is out of the board business for good, I used to just grab one of their boards because they were always rock stable.

Shaocaholica posted:

Thats without delidding right? I'm stuck on haswell at 4.4 delidded and water. I really really want to do 5ghz delidded. Thats all I want. A nice round number like five point oh.

Shaocaholica posted:

Is the Xeon iGPU just turned off or actually absent?

HERAK posted:

So when will we actually get our hands on these? Or at least reviews of the i5-4690k. I'm wanting to build something to replace my i5-750.

Ignoarints posted:

I don't think I could say "no reason" if I can assume the 3570k in this case won't be getting higher than that, but also assuming the 4790k gets to ~4.8. I would say more like little reason, or a very cost inefficient reason. It's not like there isn't a difference between 500 mhz, +5-10% clock for clock speeds, and even a tiny bump due to hyper-threading for games. But then I'd probably argue that simply overclocking the 3570k further would diminish that since it is already well on its way.

This is coming from the guy who was considering dumping a 4670k at 4.5 ghz for a 4790k if I could reasonably hope to hit 5 ghz. So in all honesty if I were in your shoes, I probably would do it, but I fully understand that's its not the best use of money in any way.

canyoneer posted:

Is anyone really surprised that modern video games, designed to reach the largest market by running on consoles and as many existing PCs as possible, are not pushing newest generation processors to the limit?

Cardboard Box A posted:

Are there any GPUs on the horizon that use more than 16 PCIe lanes?

Alereon posted:

The Asus ROG Maximus VII HERO is only $10 more than the GENE, and unless you really need the smaller form factor I think you get a better value. It would be interesting to see benchmarks comparing the audio performance of the GENE and the HERO, I'm thinking the GENE would have noticeably worse EMI because of the limited board space to route the audio traces away from noises sources. It doesn't appear to have a physically isolated board area like on the HERO, but they may have been able to come close via efficient routing.

Shaocaholica posted:

What's the point of making it a separate card? Not enough real estate on the main board? What kind of interface is that? PCIe?

Sidesaddle Cavalry posted:

This post reminds me of odd things like the Rampage IV Gene. That was an interesting piece of work, and I always wondered what people thought about having an X79 mATX system missing the one thing X79 seemed to have over mainstream systems: extra PCIe slots.

Knowing ASUS, I fully expect them to make a Mini-ITX Rampgage V Impact or something for Haswell-E for maximum niche performance

The Lord Bude posted:

PWM support has been a standard thing on I think all asus mobos since last generation.

The Lord Bude posted:

Oh ok... On my z87 board the minimum is 40%.

So I read up on the new unlocked Pentium... I'm struggling to see the point. Yes, you can take it up to 4.5 or so, and at that point, it more or less equalizes with the core i3, or falls slightly short.

But in order to do that, you also need to buy an aftermarket CPU cooler, which will end up costing almost as much as the cpu - The Tom's Hardware review uses a noctua U12S. At that point you are spending the same or slightly more as you would if you'd just bought a core i3, and you have to spend more on a z97 mobo. Unless you already have a beefy air cooler lying about, I just don't get it.

MisterAlex posted:

Oh, so they are available today? I thought those got pushed out to this Wednesday.

Ignoarints posted:

GokieKS posted:

Well, that's disappointing. I'm still planning on getting one when Micro Center gets them in stock to replace my 2500K (mostly because I want to upgrade the MB and case than the CPU), but I guess if it turns out to be a really terrible overclocker I might just try the delidded 4770K that I also have instead (which I never actually OCed - I delidded it because it's going in a FT03 Mini with a H60, so not amazing cooling).

Ignoarints posted:

Can you read that code through the box? The chip itself is visible isnt it

Alereon posted:

beating any AMD CPUs

Cardboard Box A posted:

But isn't it just dual core?

Psion posted:

Trying to wrap my head around chipset compatibility here ... got an old system with a Sandy Bridge i5-2300 on an H61 board with old-rear end firmware that can't handle modern UEFI, among other things.

I've been asked to price out replacing the motherboard (so they can use things like 'vaguely modern video cards') - but am I stuck with only H61-chipset boards? Or if not, what else works? Anything with an LGA 1155 socket?

I'm putting this here since my concern at the moment is like 90% chipset but if I should go over to the parts picking thread, let me know.

1gnoirents posted:

What cooler are you using? What kind of temps (IBT?) at voltage? Sorry lots of questions

Psion posted:

Unfortunately, no - I should point out this isn't a chipset problem per se but a documented motherboard one for the one in the system at present. I just want to know what chipsets are going to work with the rest of the parts when I go out shopping for boards.

1gnoirents posted:

I had high hopes but 4.8 ghz at <1.3 volts I couldnt even pretend to think that'd be stable. But overall man looking pretty rad. If temperatures allowed I'd probably jump straight to 1.35 vid and see what I could do with that if it were my chip. Screw it maybe ill get one

Out of curiosity is the factory uncore frequency matching the factory frequencies? Like 4.0 / 4.4 boost?