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One Legged Cat posted:Uh, I dunno about this interpretation. Diego is clearly a perfectly nice guy who had the singular misfortune to have his heart hijacked by one of those WHORES who couldn't figure out why the dumb jocks they chased after would always break their hearts, while a perfectly good man got pushed into the shadows because he refused to be a JERK like the others. Your logic is flawed, for Jeanne was a Victorian era woman! Or earlier, idk.
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SHISHKABOB posted:Your logic is flawed, for Jeanne was a Victorian era woman! Or earlier, idk. IT WAS MODERN AT THE TIME SHUT UP
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Jul 6, 2015 23:18
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Tenebrais posted:Diego is indisputably a more morally bad character than Anthony. Diego did what he did out of pure spite because Jeanne didn't love him. Even the worst interpretation of Anthony's actions has him just not caring about his daughter; he's not trying to hurt her for the sake of hurting her. I could see him hurting his daughter to spite the elemental that killed his wife.
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Jul 6, 2015 23:54
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New thought that popped into my head reading idonotlikepeas' post: Whatever's going on with Annie and the Fire is supposed to be permanent, and fixing it will give her/everyone else some insight into how to help/free Jeanne.
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Tenebrais posted:Diego is indisputably a more morally bad character than Anthony. Diego did what he did out of pure spite because Jeanne didn't love him. Even the worst interpretation of Anthony's actions has him just not caring about his daughter; he's not trying to hurt her for the sake of hurting her. Although I personally don't believe this to be the case, it's possible to make an argument that he's trying to bring Surma back at Annie's expense, which is at least as evil as what Diego did. The thing with Tony is that we have no idea what's going on inside that scarred noggin of his.
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Lurdiak posted:Although I personally don't believe this to be the case, it's possible to make an argument that he's trying to bring Surma back at Annie's expense, which is at least as evil as what Diego did. That's exactly the worst case scenario I mentioned. Hurting an innocent to achieve some goal is less evil than hurting an innocent out of spite.
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Tenebrais posted:That's exactly the worst case scenario I mentioned. Hurting an innocent to achieve some goal is less evil than hurting an innocent out of spite. Hurting your own daughter to go against your dead wife's wishes seems more horrible to me.
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Jul 7, 2015 00:42
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Lurdiak posted:Hurting your own daughter to go against your dead wife's wishes seems more horrible to me. Yes but you see, Tony loves Surma.
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Jul 7, 2015 04:35
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Lurdiak posted:Hurting your own daughter to go against your dead wife's wishes seems more horrible to me. It's not. Diego literally subjected a woman to watching her lover be murdered and then sentenced her to eternal torment because she wouldn't touch his penis. There's practically nothing any character in the story can do to be worse than that. It's pure nihilistic destruction. Loving your wife enough to kill your daughter to bring her back, while a thing that is definitely not happening in the story on any level to begin with, is also a perfectly reasonable action for a crazy mad scientist to take. You love your wife more than your daughter, you think it'll work, fairly simple mad with grief logic. Just "The pretty girl doesn't like me, lets actually invent a hell to subject her to for all time"? Yeah, that's worse. That's so much worse.
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Jul 7, 2015 05:50
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That's a nice avatar.
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Jul 7, 2015 06:08
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Thank you, I'm quite proud of it myself.
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I actually kind of agree with the red-text poster here. Tony's got plenty of potential reasons to want to do mad science to his daughter that aren't entirely 100% evil. We know very little about what was done, what the results are, or even how much of it Annie truly wanted or would have agreed to if it wasn't her father "asking". It looks like this is going to be more of an exposition-type chapter, which I am actually really looking forward to. (That said, the surface-level reading of "Tony did a soul lobotomy on Annie without her voluntary consent" is pretty drat evil and I hope Tony either has good reasons or a good comeuppance)
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Jul 7, 2015 08:10
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Tony is the hotter version of Mr. Freeze.
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SHISHKABOB posted:Your logic is flawed, for Jeanne was a Victorian era woman! Or earlier, idk.  Still modern!"In contrast to the pre-modern era, Western civilization made a gradual transition from premodernity to modernity when scientific methods were developed which led many to believe that the use of science would lead to all knowledge, thus throwing back the shroud of myth under which pre-modern peoples lived. New information about the world was discovered via empirical observation, versus the historic use of reason and innate knowledge." The Court itself is intrinsically modern.
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Kantesu posted:New thought that popped into my head reading idonotlikepeas' post: Antimony is done with Jeanne, at this point. Between the severing of almost all of her social connections, Anthony's parenting protocols and her near-complete disconnect with her etheric self, Jeanne is now way above what Annie could handle. And without Annie's psychopomp abilities, the group effort kinda falls apart. Jeanne is never mentioned again, Annie becomes a robot like her dad. The comic ends with Annie leaving forever with her Father, Kat crying at her silhouette in the sunset, and Headmaster nodding in approval at the continued status quo. J.A.B.C. fucked around with this message at 11:37 on Jul 7, 2015 |
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Jul 7, 2015 11:02
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Demiurge4 posted:Tony is the hotter version of Mr. Freeze.
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I hope we get a special comic of Kat playing MGS V. The one of her playing IV was great
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blastron posted:I actually kind of agree with the red-text poster here. Tony's got plenty of potential reasons to want to do mad science to his daughter that aren't entirely 100% evil. We know very little about what was done, what the results are, or even how much of it Annie truly wanted or would have agreed to if it wasn't her father "asking". It looks like this is going to be more of an exposition-type chapter, which I am actually really looking forward to. Splicer fucked around with this message at 20:18 on Jul 7, 2015 |
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Jul 7, 2015 20:15
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Jul 8, 2015 08:07
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Burn it Annie, BURN IT ALL.
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Jul 8, 2015 08:16
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Why's she mad at young Eglamore
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Splicer posted:That's what I'm getting at. The best case scenario here is that he had good intentions when he tried to rip out his abandoned daughter's soul via remote non-consensual space bone surgery before showing up to finish the job in person while incidentally tearing down everything she'd built in his absence. There are equally plausible interpretations that are even worse. "Accidentally abusive social failure" is what counts as a win for Tony right now. Yeah, I still don't get why people are so eager to argue "well, he's not Diego or Hitler, that's gotta count for something, right?". The lightest reading here is "deadbeat parent non-intentionally abusing her daughter", the one hinted at is "deadbeat parent who RIPPED her extremely introverted daughter's essence out of her, setting her years back, and came back demanding absolute control over her life". Even if his justification is "I don't want her to die", he's still a poo poo.
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Dienes posted:I could see him hurting his daughter to spite the elemental that killed his wife. For that matter, his wife is the elemental that killed his wife.
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For all we and all the characters know, removing the Elemental part from Annie's body will kill her just like it killed Suma. Presumably Tony thinks that he knows better, but he hasn't told that to anybody except possibly Annie. So when Kat and Renard find out about what is going on they will think that Tony has gone full Diego.
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Dias posted:Yeah, I still don't get why people are so eager to argue "well, he's not Diego or Hitler, that's gotta count for something, right?". The lightest reading here is "deadbeat parent non-intentionally abusing her daughter", the one hinted at is "deadbeat parent who RIPPED her extremely introverted daughter's essence out of her, setting her years back, and came back demanding absolute control over her life". You uh. Kind of messed up the pronouns here a bit. Unless you have some headcanons I'm not aware of.
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Fire Annie doesn't seem to like her dad as much as Human Annie does.
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Tenebrais posted:That's exactly the worst case scenario I mentioned. Hurting an innocent to achieve some goal is less evil than hurting an innocent out of spite. quote:It's not. Diego literally subjected a woman to watching her lover be murdered and then sentenced her to eternal torment because she wouldn't touch his penis. There's practically nothing any character in the story can do to be worse than that. It's pure nihilistic destruction. Actually no, that is absolutely not the case. The point of Diego and the Court's plan was to create a defence for the Court from the Woods. So it did achieve that goal. Diego's spite made Jeanne the victim, but otherwise it would have been someone else. It was never purely to torture Jeanne. That's why the rest of the conspiracy went along with it. Edit: Diego could hardly be blamed for the climate of fear and hatred in that time period that made creating murderghosts seem like a good idea to all but one of the Court leadership, and marked Jeanne out as solidly a traitor. He had worse reasons than the others, that is true. But does doing something hot-bloodedly, with a mind clouded by emotion, make it worse than a cold-blooded planned out act? And honestly for all we know, creating the Jeanne-based defence system on the Annan Waters could well turn out to be significantly the lesser evil. The most positive possible interpretation of Diego's actions is that sacrificing Jeanne to seal off Gilitie Wood is the literal lynchpin on which the progress of modern technological civilisation rests, freed from the threat of trickster gods and all that they represent. Fangz fucked around with this message at 12:30 on Jul 8, 2015 |
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Freudian posted:You uh. Kind of messed up the pronouns here a bit. Unless you have some headcanons I'm not aware of. It happens when you rush a paragraph out before leaving the house. 
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Fangz posted:Actually no, that is absolutely not the case. The point of Diego and the Court's plan was to create a defence for the Court from the Woods. So it did achieve that goal. Diego's spite made Jeanne the victim, but otherwise it would have been someone else. It was never purely to torture Jeanne. Well we know very little about that time tbh, did they spell out so specifically that that was the plan? All we really know is that Steadman looks cool, and gently caress that drat dog.
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Diego is described by Sir Young as the architect of the scheme, and Diego convinces them that it can only be done to Jeanne. The whole thing was his creation. The question is whether he sacrificed Jeanne to defend the Court or used defence of the Court to justify sacrificing Jeanne. He certainly seemed pretty happy to see he was hurting her.
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Jul 8, 2015 12:58
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The moral of GC is that nerdy dudes are The Worst.
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Luminous Obscurity posted:The moral of GC is that nerdy dudes are The Worst.
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Fecha posted:And nerdy ladies are terrifying machine gods. I dunno, Angel Kat looks pretty neat to me.
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Fried Chicken posted:There is no subtext here No submarines at all, curiouser and curiouser
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