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corn in the bible posted:or just skip both of the mediocre games and play lightning returns i just started lightning returns a few days ago. i hate 13 with a passion, it actually made me sad playing because i thought ff was dead. i quit after maybe 10-15 hours. lightning returns is a good game, with a cool if a little confusing battle system (its tough sometimes to tell the difference between not fighting the monster correctly or if im just not a high enough level) and really cool time/sidequest mechanics, but holy poo poo everything else is a loving trainwreck. the plot is idiotic, the setting is idiotic, the dialog is idiotic, the characters are idiotic, everything is idiotic. im still probably going to ng+ it once just because it pretty dang good outside that though.
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the plot + characters owns actually, and lol @ "drat, i don't like this game... this franchise is dead because i no longer like it"
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Endorph posted:the plot + characters owns actually, and lol @ "drat, i don't like this game... this franchise is dead because i no longer like it" i thought it was going to be a turning point for the franchise, and it actually was since the next two freaking final fantasy games were the same drat environment. so ff as a story franchise has basically been "dead" for three straight games, for me. ffxiv fixed all that though, thankfully. (not that ffxiv is shakespeare, but at least it is light and entertaining) abagofcheetos fucked around with this message at 22:30 on Jul 5, 2015 |
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abagofcheetos posted:i thought it was going to be a turning point for the franchise, and it actually was since the next two freaking final fantasy games were the same drat environment. so ff as a story franchise has basically been "dead" for three straight games, for me. I wouldn't really call it a turning point since the other two FF13 games only exist as a result of FF13's development being such a mess that they wanted to make up for all the money they spent making assets. The next non-MMO entry is in a different world (though there might still have hints of a shared mythology because of that old FNC initiative), is developed by a largely different team, and has much different gameplay from the last numbered entry just like usual.
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If FF15 doesn't sell well, it will probably actually be the end of the franchise sans 14 and remakes/rereleases. They just spend too much damned money on the games to make it back.
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I doubt it would be the end of the franchise but it probably would be the end of it as a console RPG. What I'm saying is that I hope you like Final Fantasy Mobile: No Plot, Just IAP.
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I can't even criticize LR's plot because it's the funniest game I've played in ages and I'm like 80% sure it's retarded on purpose given how Lightning reacts to absolutely everything that happens.Neddy Seagoon posted:Lightning's not exactly high on the list, considering she's supposed to be a Cop and still handed Hope a goddamn knife while he was openly rambling about how he was going to murder someone. That is not how you de-escalate a situation.
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bloodychill posted:If FF15 doesn't sell well, it will probably actually be the end of the franchise sans 14 and remakes/rereleases. They just spend too much damned money on the games to make it back. It'll undoubtedly sell well, but I think SE's real target is helping to rejuvenate console sales in Japan; they've outright said that was one of the reasons why the announced titles like the FF7 remake now. If console sales are still lagging over there once they've released all the games they've announced, they may very well decide that making high-budget console games are no longer a good investment for their Japanese development teams as opposed to working on mobile.
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They could also try spending less money! 
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Japan will be better off when it finally accepts the glorious true dominance of the Personal Computer for playing role playing video games on.
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Vermain posted:Japan will be better off when it finally accepts the glorious true dominance of the Personal Computer for playing role playing video games on. I think you're mistaken, it's actually the Age of the Cellular Phone.
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Vermain posted:Japan will be better off when it finally accepts the glorious true dominance of the Personal Computer for playing role playing video games on. Isn't it actually pretty rare for people in japan to have a desktop as opposed to a laptop or a mobile device? Even moreso than in the US, I mean, where desktops are already becoming uncommon outside of enthusiasts and work/school environments. And that's on top of PC gaming dying off over there decades ago and currently being considered mainly a platform for porn games. Thankfully many Japanese devs are starting to pick up PC anyway as a means of tapping into more western sales, with both Square and Namco publishing and porting more and more of their games on Steam. Motto fucked around with this message at 23:36 on Jul 5, 2015 |
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Motto posted:And that's on top of PC gaming dying off over there decades ago and currently being considered mainly a platform for porn games. Fun fact: I just saw this interesting piece on that the other night. tl,dr: "This is probably an outdated myth given the rise of digital distribution and what numbers we can eke out of Steam's black box nature"
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I like how people proclaim that they don't have a use for a desktop PC anymore and then take their laptop and plug it into a Desk Screen port You made your laptop a desktop PC.
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Funny thing is their example is actually blocked in Japan. Didn't stop fans from modding in Japanese language support themselves though.
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DARKSEID DICK PICS posted:Fun fact: I just saw this interesting piece on that the other night. I knew Japan's PC audience was larger than expected, especially given the popularity of Project EGG, but I'm more shocked by Steam's 125 million "active" users being defined as someone who purchased at least 1 game. Even if that period of time is 5 years or so, Steam is technically the biggest video game platform on the market and it's still being treated as an afterthought by a lot of companies. Like how the hell isn't WB being dragged through the dirt on every media outlet for their treatment of Arkham Knight?
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al-azad posted:Steam is technically the biggest video game platform on the market and it's still being treated as an afterthought by a lot of companies. Like how the hell isn't WB being dragged through the dirt on every media outlet for their treatment of Arkham Knight? Uh, what media outlet are you implying? NBC? Because most gaming sites have called them out on the lovely pc release.
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al-azad posted:I knew Japan's PC audience was larger than expected, especially given the popularity of Project EGG, but I'm more shocked by Steam's 125 million "active" users being defined as someone who purchased at least 1 game. Even if that period of time is 5 years or so, people got so mad that they stopped selling it
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Tae posted:Uh, what media outlet are you implying? NBC? Because most gaming sites have called them out on the lovely pc release. If by "calling it out" you mean writing a paragraph or two about Steam taking it down then sure. But all the negative press doesn't matter one lick when you speak of the console version in glowing terms. According to Metacritic, a whole 7 publications reviewed the PC version and maybe one of those is what I'd call a mainstream name. WB gets some negative press which is immediately overshadowed by press releases telling you to pre-order their 30 minute story DLC. Steam continues to let games on their platform with zero testing, customers continue to get shafted, gaming media continues to hype up the latest releases while whispering how lovely they think they arWB ANNOUNCES ARKHAM REJECTS DLC PLAY AS CONDIMENT KING AND BABY DOLL BUY IT NOW corn in the bible posted:people got so mad that they stopped selling it While we're working on Arkham Knight 2.0 just for PC gamers don't forget to purchase the season pass for $40.
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Batman is my favorite RPG.
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I'd take a Batman RPG any day of the week over the loving miserable Space Marine Batman games that someone keeps pouring out of a tube for us.
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I didnt buy it because im not a retarded comics-loving manchild
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Vermain posted:I'd take a Batman RPG any day of the week over the loving miserable Space Marine Batman games that someone keeps pouring out of a tube for us. "Who the hell are you?" -- "I'm Batman." -- "I am the night." -- *Punch crook in face*
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corn in the bible posted:im a retarded manchild
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DARKSEID DICK PICS posted:Fun fact: I just saw this interesting piece on that the other night. That's interesting to know, thanks. Though it's kind of strange that japanese Falcom fans have to beg them to return to doing PC releases after PC rejuvenated Falcom in the west. Motto fucked around with this message at 01:10 on Jul 6, 2015 |
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Neddy Seagoon posted:It was also their first actual effort at voice acting wasn't it? Nah, they'd done Musashi a few years earlier. It was hammy, but really pretty good. The lip sync hosed with them in 10 though.
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al-azad posted:If by "calling it out" you mean writing a paragraph or two about Steam taking it down then sure. Anyway it's not like this is limited to the PC. Bamco released SAO on the Vita after all. And now they're fixing the script/subs apparently, but only on the PS4 remake. People in this camp have no resource other than not buying a future product but this demographic is pretty easily exploitable.
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DARKSEID DICK PICS posted:Fun fact: I just saw this interesting piece on that the other night. The "PC is only a porn machine in Japan" stuff might be a myth, but that article doesn't do anything to refute the idea that the Japanese PC market is kinda hosed. They repeatedly point out that Japanese companies don't support their own local PC market, for whatever reason. What Japanese support there is gradually growing on Steam seems pretty focused on taking advantage of interest in Japanese games in the west. After all, "Nowadays, the demand for moé is quite high overseas".
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al-azad posted:"Who the hell are you?" a total conversion mod of LA Noire with batman would be amazing.
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Rascyc posted:People got their refunds. It's a better place than we were a year ago. I almost forgot about Atelier Shallie and The Witcher 3 which launched with unavoidable game freezing bugs and Ether One, a PS+ debut, basically had a 99% chance it couldn't be finished for a week after launch so so much for quality assurance on consoles as well. You'd think a closed platform would make bug tests easier. I don't know anything about the process of game design but this has to be an issue of "Let's rush it to the shelves and fix it later."
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You basically only get to side step hardware testing when it comes to a closed platform, which is pretty advantageous but it doesn't mean your console game is going to be any less bug free than a PC game. You also get a decent amount of help from the vendors when you do hardware testing and there are entire businesses you can contract to for help on that front, if you have the dollars anyway. The reality is that for most games you just don't have the man power to address the sheer amounts of bugs that get reported by QA, especially before the company (or team or division) will potentially go under. Games like the PC Port of Arkham or the Vita-SAO are special mentions of the "gently caress You" award though because someone definitely made a decision to just go ahead with their strategy of subpar delivery right from the start. There was barely a token gesture to get those games working. Rascyc fucked around with this message at 02:02 on Jul 6, 2015 |
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Erebus posted:The "PC is only a porn machine in Japan" stuff might be a myth, but that article doesn't do anything to refute the idea that the Japanese PC market is kinda hosed. They repeatedly point out that Japanese companies don't support their own local PC market, for whatever reason. Back when I used to teach in Japan, I met exactly one person who played PC games, and it turned out he was a WOW player. I remember he asked me to explain the difference between ore veins and deposits (I guess they're separate in the game? I've never played it), but I honestly wasn't completely sure, so I just bullshitted and said a vein was a kind of deposit, I guess . . .  Another time I was with several students and had 'impressed' them with my knowledge of some Japanese history (it actually wasn't that impressive, but virtually every Japanese person I met seemed amazed that a foreigner would know anything at all about their history, possibly because many Japanese themselves don't know that much about it). So they asked me how I knew this stuff and I told them that there had been this PC game I'd played several years earlier called Shogun Total War set during Sengoku Jidai where you controlled a Daimyo and his armies of samurai, and that I'd learned a bunch of historical stuff from it as well as a general understanding of Japanese geography. They were amazed that such a game existed and that they'd never heard of it. Hell, I was amazed they'd never heard of it.
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The porn machine thing is half of it, the other is that a desktop tower, keyboard and monitor (especially a CRT monitor) eat a lot of floorspace in a tiny Japanese apartment. The PC market's probably only starting to rise now due to slim laptops.
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Yeah, if anything there are probably more people with a PC (laptop) in the past 3-4 years than ever in Japan. (Also a high number of mac users now due to iOS domination.) I'd guess the issue is more demographics - majority of players are under 18 and less likely to have their own PC they can use for gaming in the first place, since the majority of schools don't use them for schoolwork. And once they start working they need every scrap of free time to sleep or cry into their beer about their lovely jobs. Yakiniku Teishoku fucked around with this message at 04:29 on Jul 6, 2015 |
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If you absolutely must play Final Fantasy 13 for the plot or something I highly recommend getting the pc version, getting cheat engine, and just make it so your first hit in combat wins the fight. I did it and it basically turned into a 14 hour movie. If you want to play Final Fantasy 13 for the battle sytem then just buy 13-2 because as nonsensical as it is it doesn't spend far too long introducing a combat system that isn't hard to grasp. If you want to have fun buy Lightning Returns. You cannot have all 3 of these things at once, I'm sorry. Mr. Sunabouzu fucked around with this message at 07:58 on Jul 6, 2015 |
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Unfortunately the combat in 13-2 isn't really the same as 13 because they added the monster pet stuff. The combat in 13 was fun because you had lots of ways to balance all the roles between your party members. In 13-2 there's a lot that only certain monsters can do (I don't think Noel or Serah ever even learn Haste), so a lot of the combat just comes down to whether you found the right pokemon.
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Mr. Sunabouzu posted:If you absolutely must play Final Fantasy 13 for the plot or something I highly recommend getting the pc version, getting cheat engine, and just make it so your first hit in combat wins the fight. I did it and it basically turned into a 14 hour movie. If you want to play Final Fantasy 13 for the battle sytem then just buy 13-2 because as nonsensical as it is it doesn't spend far too long introducing a combat system that isn't hard to grasp. If you want to have fun buy Lightning Returns. I actually liked FFXIII alright, I would recommend trying it if its cheap. Its an incredibly flawed game, but I had my bit of fun with it. It can get monotonous; I hate Hope, Snow and usually lightning; the plot is pretty standard JRPG. At the same time the combat system is good once you can design/shift paradigms (if they had left it open from the start the game would be so much better), the game is very pretty with creative locations (that you walk on a narrow path past) and the soundtrack is good. Those three things kept me entertained alright through the ride, though I never bothered with any side content. FFXIII-2 killed me, the new characters are insufferable, the plot actually makes no sense whatsoever (and retcons FFXIII's plot in such a way as to invalidate the whole cast's actions completely), the soundtrack is a step backwards (You think you can ride this chocobo?) and it replaced straight lines with backtracking. The improved combat, character leveling and the pokemon aspect were not enough to keep me going through the whole thing. I will probably play LR when it comes to PC because people tell me it is actually fun and some degree of effort went into it. Also I am a sucker.
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MrAptronym posted:the plot is pretty standard JRPG.
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Baltazar Robotnik posted:The DQ7 remake would actually be a pretty big surprise. Pages back but catching up I got excited at the mere mention of the DQ remakes. I really, really hope they get brought over and that they bring the DQM remakes over too. Erebus posted:Unfortunately the combat in 13-2 isn't really the same as 13 because they added the monster pet stuff. The combat in 13 was fun because you had lots of ways to balance all the roles between your party members. In 13-2 there's a lot that only certain monsters can do (I don't think Noel or Serah ever even learn Haste), so a lot of the combat just comes down to whether you found the right pokemon. I actually had a bunch of fun with 13-2's combat. Haste doesn't really matter unless you really, really want to min-max. Even if you're trying to beat the optional bosses, I took a good chunk of them out without even using the fusion trait passing poo poo. Until you take on the absolute hardest stuff in the game, it doesn't really matter what your setup is to any major degree.
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MrAptronym posted:I actually liked FFXIII alright, I would recommend trying it if its cheap. Its an incredibly flawed game, but I had my bit of fun with it. It can get monotonous; I hate Hope, Snow and usually lightning; the plot is pretty standard JRPG. At the same time the combat system is good once you can design/shift paradigms (if they had left it open from the start the game would be so much better), the game is very pretty with creative locations (that you walk on a narrow path past) and the soundtrack is good. Those three things kept me entertained alright through the ride, though I never bothered with any side content. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IB6T0MsvAgs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HvJHVANG2k
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