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So I missed this weekend's game (funeral) and am going to miss next month's game(wedding), so the offseason started last week for me. It kinda sucks going from a bout every other week to nothing for eight months. Basically the offseason blows.
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| # ? Aug 22, 2011 14:48 |
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Mega Shark posted:Well, I got to do some Derby skating with another goon. I probably embarrassed myself, but I'm used to that. The only suspicious thing is that Cryosleep wasn't a female neckbeard, which means that I was probably the weird one. Didn't embarrass yourself at all, it was great to skate with you. I had an amazing time and hope to come Tuesday, if I can get my poor car to make the 2 hour roundtrip drive. You guys were awesome.
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| # ? Aug 22, 2011 15:46 |
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downtimejesus posted:So I missed this weekend's game (funeral) and am going to miss next month's game(wedding), so the offseason started last week for me. It kinda sucks going from a bout every other week to nothing for eight months. Basically the offseason blows. No offseason training? Is it a space issue? Cause that's usually what catches us on the offseason. (Though we do still train) Or is it that there aren't any games?
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| # ? Aug 22, 2011 17:48 |
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scorpiobean posted:No offseason training? Is it a space issue? Cause that's usually what catches us on the offseason. (Though we do still train) Or is it that there aren't any games?
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| # ? Aug 22, 2011 19:11 |
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downtimejesus posted:There's no games, pretty much. We have a place to throw the sportcourt that's kind of a shithole(leaky ceilings, heat only works half the time, etc) so its no big deal, but I don't know, it just feels empty. You guys have got sport court? Does it have the track markings? How much time does it take to lay/pack up?
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| # ? Aug 23, 2011 05:55 |
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Spookydonut posted:You guys have got sport court?
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| # ? Aug 23, 2011 14:19 |
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I hope it's kosher to post this link, the Nashville Rollergirls are currently the subject of a documentary being put together by an independent filmmaker, funding is needed. If anyone has any questions I can pass them on and return with answers. http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1027635923/official-nashville-rollergirls-documentary Thanks!
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| # ? Aug 25, 2011 22:07 |
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The team I was part of, won 320 to 168. I'm very happy!
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| # ? Aug 26, 2011 06:32 |
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Got my Sure-Grip Rebels today, looking forward to teaching myself how to skate so I'll be derby ready by June when try-outs are.
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| # ? Aug 28, 2011 05:05 |
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Dancingthroughlife posted:Got my Sure-Grip Rebels today, looking forward to teaching myself how to skate so I'll be derby ready by June when try-outs are. Good starter skate, but in a year you're gonna wanna rip those bitches off your feet and get something better. My Riedell 265s are my main skate and the Rebels are my outdoor skate now and it's like night and day switching back and forth. Totally Twisted - my team is heading your way on the 10th. I won't be in attendance, so do you know of any DNN action happening?
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| # ? Aug 29, 2011 16:52 |
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Just asked, no streaming. 
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| # ? Aug 29, 2011 17:00 |
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Aericina posted:Good starter skate, but in a year you're gonna wanna rip those bitches off your feet and get something better. My Riedell 265s are my main skate and the Rebels are my outdoor skate now and it's like night and day switching back and forth.
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| # ? Aug 30, 2011 01:43 |
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I just posted something important (to me) on my blog. I wonder why derby "culture" is just as much having fun and partying as it is about playing the game, even though in any other sport, it's almost all about playing to win. I'd like to know what you guys think about this. http://windymanrd.wordpress.com/201...of-my-conflict/ Warning: As you probably know by now, I go long-form with my blog posts. This sucker's 5,000 words.
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| # ? Sep 2, 2011 03:39 |
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Aericina posted:Totally Twisted - my team is heading your way on the 10th. I won't be in attendance, so do you know of any DNN action happening? *actually there's plenty of valid excuses I suppose, mainly money 
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| # ? Sep 2, 2011 06:05 |
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WindyMan posted:I just posted something important (to me) on my blog. I wonder why derby "culture" is just as much having fun and partying as it is about playing the game, even though in any other sport, it's almost all about playing to win. I'd like to know what you guys think about this. Your post really rubbed me the wrong way I'll admit. What I got from it was that you can only be having fun if you're winning, and if you're having fun and not winning, then you aren't serious and you don't care about the sport. If every skater out there was out there purely for the party, why would they pour in hours and hours into practices and committees and building and running their own goddamn league on top of work and school and family. These girls don't have the luxury of focusing their entire lives on derby, unlike those professional athletes that most of your examples consisted of, who train their entire lives and still train to win. Because that is THEIR JOB. I can't begrudge Texas their attitude after the tournament. In my experience, when I play, my team always wants to win of course! Sometimes if we lose, we are disappointed! Sometimes we lose, and dammit the game was still fun and usually those are games where we did work our asses off and at the same time we're usually learning a lot! If I feel like we lost because my team didn't put 110% out there, then yeah I'm going to be disappointed. You talk about derby culture being about 'fun and partying,' and while that's true to an extent, I see the 'fun and partying' as a facet of what I would consider 'derby sisterhood.' Because we're all pouring the same blood, sweat, and tears on the track and we all have to make the same sacrifices in order to do so. Yeah there's the parties and the fun, and there are instances where derby girls will come together to help another. Like Tequila Mockingbird. Like a skater in a nearby league who died from complications from childbirth. Why derby has this while (in my opinion), no other sport does, I'm not really sure. Maybe it's the afterparties since we get to know the people we've been playing against. I'm not convinced I really articulated my point very well but I guess what I'm trying to say is that having fun and enjoying the social aspect of derby doesn't mean a skater isn't serious and doesn't care about the sport at the same time.
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| # ? Sep 2, 2011 06:56 |
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Sorry about the double post y'all, I wanted to ask a question and keep it separate from my semi-coherent ramblings above. NY derby goons, any of y'all going to the Empire Skate Showdown in Long Island this weekend? Also in other news, my league got its full WFTDA status today! Yay!
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| # ? Sep 2, 2011 07:16 |
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The reason Derby really appealed to me was not the after parties, but meeting other awesome women and doing a sport I can actually look forward to getting better at. You make it sound like if you're not drunk and making out with other women at the afterparty, you're not a derby girl.
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| # ? Sep 2, 2011 13:56 |
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scorpiobean posted:NY derby goons, any of y'all going to the Empire Skate Showdown in Long Island this weekend? Also, grats on WFTDA.
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| # ? Sep 2, 2011 14:41 |
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Anyone going to/playing in spudtown knockdown this weekend? I'll be playing with SS rodeo, number 55. Hope to see some goons there!
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| # ? Sep 3, 2011 14:29 |
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Psychobabble! posted:Anyone going to/playing in spudtown knockdown this weekend? I'll be playing with SS rodeo, number 55. Hope to see some goons there! I'm working Spudtown as an NSO. I'm the guy with the goggles.
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| # ? Sep 4, 2011 01:34 |
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Are there any websites that go over which skates/wheels/bearings, etc. are best for derby? I'm a newb that's trying to sort through everything.
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| # ? Sep 12, 2011 15:39 |
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Ms. Happiness posted:Are there any websites that go over which skates/wheels/bearings, etc. are best for derby? I'm a newb that's trying to sort through everything. I don't know how much information you're looking for, but here are a few websites that sell stuff specifically for derby. Sin City Skates Five Stride Skate Shop I'm sure people here would be glad to offer personal opinions too. (I started out on Riedell R3s and Fugitive wheels)
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Bruised Boutique has fresh meat packages which are pretty good, if you're looking for that. Skates - I don't know, I started on Riedell 265's with the Powerdyne Triton plate as my "newbie skate". That said, the Riedell 265/Triton is not a newbie skate, and it was like, $400 with plate/boot. I've heard R3's are good, and the Sure-Grip Rebels are good. People in CNYRD skate them, and I haven't heard anything bad beyond "these skates don't fit me", which is more of a sizing issue than a skate boot issue. We put all of our newbies in R3's the first time they show up and don't have skates. I'm currently in Antik AR-1's with a Powerdyne Reactor plate, which for comparison, is like  Wheels - There's three real things in a wheel - height of the wheel, width of the wheel, and hardness of the wheel. In the past year, I've spent way too much money on wheels searching for the perfect ride. I've used: Radar Tuners(93a), Radar Flat Outs(88a), Atom Poison Slims(84a), Atom Juke 2.0's(93a, 95a, and 97a), and Atom Venoms(84a). Wheel hardness - The optimal/best wheel for derby really depends on the surface you're skating on and your personal preference of how much grip you actually want to have on the floor. A hard wheel on a slick surface will make you slide out like crazy, and a soft wheel on a hard surface will make it feel like you're skating on mud, slowing you down and making you have to expend more effort to be able to skate. This is obviously a Bad Thing when you are trying not to be out of breath after one jam. More or less, it goes like this, from a hardness perspective, going from soft to hard:
The next list my personal opinion on what hardness of wheel I have to ride in each scenario to be able to do what I need to do as a jammer(skate like an rear end in a top hat) and not have to second-guess my footing(which is really loving bad if you need to have power off of one wheel and that one wheel slips). What I actually ride is in parenthesis.
When in doubt, go softer, skate a while, and then go harder if you think it will work. As far as wheel wideness goes, the wider the wheel is, the harder it is going to be to pick the wheel off of the ground with the benefit of having more wheel on the ground. More wheel = more grip most of the time. I've had anywhere from 44mm to 38mm wide wheels. Most of my wheels are of the thinner variety. There are a few 36mm and 32mm wide wheels, but I don't think they fit my next criteria. Wheel height - I'm gay for 59mm wheels. Most wheels come in 62mm sizes. The taller a wheel is, the more speed you get out of it, since one revolution of the wheel covers more distance in the same time as a smaller wheel. However, you give up mobility to do it. So in derby terms, blockers tend to use slower, softer, wider, taller, grippier wheels for stability, and jammers tend to use faster, harder(as hard as possible without sliding everywhere, ideally), thinner, smaller wheels for mobility and acceleration. Bearings - I like my Kwik ABEC-9's. They're semi-cheap(like 36$ last time I checked), roll pretty smooth and fast, and don't give out easy. I'm looking at Bones Swiss Ceramic Labyrinths, but yeah, gently caress spending 200$ on bearings.
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| # ? Sep 13, 2011 15:09 |
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I think the only factor you forgot to mention is skater weight. A lighter skater will need grippier wheels compared to a heavier skater, all else equal. I haven't attempted to run the math on ceramic bearings but from my research I would spend money on nice boots and plates and leave the 200 dollar bearings for your last possible bit of improvement. And of course the most important gear will always be practice and dedication.
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| # ? Sep 13, 2011 16:47 |
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Totally TWISTED posted:I think the only factor you forgot to mention is skater weight. A lighter skater will need grippier wheels compared to a heavier skater, all else equal. Totally TWISTED posted:I haven't attempted to run the math on ceramic bearings but from my research I would spend money on nice boots and plates and leave the 200 dollar bearings for your last possible bit of improvement. Hobbies are expensive.
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| # ? Sep 13, 2011 17:18 |
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My dream setup at the moment is a Bont Quad Racer Carbon made from a cast of my foot. The compromise is the same boot made from a tracing. I'm not sure what I'd do for a plate, yet. I love my Magnum Whites, though. Dream wheels are Diamonds. I have a set of each color. I use them on almost any surface.
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| # ? Sep 14, 2011 17:59 |
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I think I've gone a bit overboard again with a post about the rules on my blog. http://windymanrd.wordpress.com/201...-pack-solution/ But then again, my site stats are saying that I've gotten at least 40 refers from the WFTDA forums in the 30 hours since I've posted this... so maybe I do know what I'm talking about after all. As always, I'd appreciate what you think of this post. I'm probably not going to get feedback directly from skaters anytime soon, so you goons will have to do. :P Oh and hey, it's playoff season! I've got a preview of Easterns on my blog as well, you should have no problem finding it there should you want to check it out.
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| # ? Sep 15, 2011 15:54 |
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WindyMan posted:I think I've gone a bit overboard again with a post about the rules on my blog. Their strat is this: Race to the back before the jam starts, four wall in the back, on a knee, rotated 45-90 degrees to take up the most space. Arms at a 45 degree angle to create a cross with the blocker next to you but not to constitute a multiplayer block. Whistle blows, whistle blows twice for jammer start(no pack), they stand, four wall completely fucks the other team's jammer while the other team really can't do poo poo about it. The other team skating forward/starting on the pivot line(making the back blockers out of play) to no-pack it causes a person in the four wall to move up to bridge. The team in front 95% of the time is in a lose-lose situation, before the jam even starts. A+ would watch again(for an entire game or two). The booing was fantastic, and quite frankly its hilarious to see "OH GOD BUMRUSH THE JAMMER LINE". Also, I like your pack re-definition, reminds me of old school roller derby. A couple of things that people are going to make a stink about :
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| # ? Sep 15, 2011 16:09 |
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downtimejesus posted:Also, I like your pack re-definition, reminds me of old school roller derby. The only thing that people are going to make a stink about is the runaway pussy/pack lapping that you cover. Right, which is why I pointed out that that could be a "problem" with my idea. But that's not a problem with the rules. It's a problem with the people who'd complain about it. And much is the point of my post, the question needs to become why would they complain about it? If the rules are the same for everyone, but a subset of skaters don't like the rules, then that can only mean those that are complaining are a bunch of pussies who really don't want to be athletes. downtimejesus posted:The booing was fantastic, and quite frankly its hilarious to see "OH GOD BUMRUSH THE JAMMER LINE". Another thing about my rules: Should they be implemented, the bumrush would be for the pivot line instead. And hey, what-do-you-know: There are already rules in place for the lineup sequence in the rulebook! Pivots on the start line, blockers line up behind them. Funny how all of this makes sense, isn't it? ed- Probably the only way to prevent the lap-around situation from happening is to start thinking about making jam time shorter. Maybe we can do 90 second jams, or a 60 jam in which the jam clock does not start until a jammer gets out of the pack (like in old school rules). WindyMan fucked around with this message at Sep 15, 2011 around 16:51 |
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WindyMan posted:If the rules are the same for everyone, but a subset of skaters don't like the rules, then that can only mean those that are complaining are a bunch of pussies who really don't want to be athletes. WindyMan posted:ed- Probably the only way to prevent the lap-around situation from happening is to start thinking about making jam time shorter. Maybe we can do 90 second jams, or a 60 jam in which the jam clock does not start until a jammer gets out of the pack (like in old school rules). Honestly, the lap problem wouldn't even matter, since duh, if you lap the people, you just expended a lot of effort to position yourself behind the other team, gaining you no tactical advantage since your jammer probably passed people who were out of play. If you have a powerjam and the other team books, yeah, duh, you hosed up and probably don't deserve to score any points. Perhaps if one team laps the other, the jam is called? Makes sense, since the team doing the lapping is dominant in this situation, and lapping really would only be done as a defensive thing. As an aside, this problem already exists as seen in that one jam where all the blockers lined up behind the jammers(I forget which game it was, its irrelevant). Maybe a penalty for exiting the engagement zone through the front and then re-entering it from the rear? Who knows. (though the slow team could draw penalties by slowing to a crawl and letting the other team re-engage) Basically, this scenario fucks everything up. Also, as an aside, I like the WORD rule where if one team gets lead jam, the other team's pivot is eligible to jam, and they just gun it. downtimejesus fucked around with this message at Sep 15, 2011 around 17:27 |
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Another common sense thing, though: Why would you spend all of that effort and energy to hold a dead-sprint for upwards of a minute if the other team has stopped trying to chase? The further back they fall, the less sense it makes for the team pulling away to keep pulling away for no reason. That would just tire them out and give them problems later in the game. You could just hold that pullaway 20 feet ahead of the other team, since that's the fringe that they would be considered in or out of play at. If team ahead's jammer comes back in and starts getting blocked by the team behind at the 20 foot fringe, the team ahead can just skate forward and make them out of play. ...much how like teams now are holding behind and waiting for the team ahead to go past the 10-foot fringe and put themselves out of play, giving a free pass to their jammer. It's starting to freak me out, how much sense I'm making here.
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| # ? Sep 15, 2011 17:26 |
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Yeah, even though it doesn't make sense to do so, there has to be something covering it if it happens. It doesn't really make sense to start on your knee either, and that eventually happened. I think "if an entire team laps another team, the jam is dead" works, since it penalizes the other team for not blocking the lapping team, while rewarding the lapping team. It probably would only be used as you said, if your jammer is in the box. This is a good video for your grand slam section(even though it is pretty grand in a  kind of way). It's Jurasskick Park(PVRD's Dirty Dozen) scoring 45 points in a jam: http://www.justin.tv/pvrd/b/290405632And, the runaway pussy argument is the classic "scrub" rule from Playing to Win: http://www.sirlin.net/articles/play...win-part-1.html , so really it's a lovely argument. downtimejesus fucked around with this message at Sep 15, 2011 around 17:46 |
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WindyMan posted:I think I've gone a bit overboard again with a post about the rules on my blog. Their sluggish takeoff meant the jammers went flying past them, logically it contributed to the ~300 to ~50 score. Here I thought slow start jams were bad, seeing those videos of complete non-start jams makes me want to hurt the players. While merely a spectator, I feel I should spend some time reading the rules after skimming that.
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downtimejesus posted:And, the runaway pussy argument is the classic "scrub" rule from Playing to Win: http://www.sirlin.net/articles/play...win-part-1.html , so really it's a lovely argument. I spent six years playing fighting games and I've never thought to make the connection between that and what's happening in derby now. It's true, because it's universal. Oh, and by the way... downtimejesus posted:Their strat is this: Race to the back before the jam starts, four wall in the back, on a knee, rotated 45-90 degrees to take up the most space. Arms at a 45 degree angle to create a cross with the blocker next to you but not to constitute a multiplayer block. The timing of my article is no accident. You and I both know that with higher stakes, teams will start pushing loopholes as far as they can go. I also fully expect teams (especially Gotham and Philly) to start doing some batshit crazy insane poo poo during starts. I'm just preparing everyone for what is an inevitability they have no idea is coming. Here's my prediction: Based off of Gotham's first-half tactics against Philly at ECDX, they are completely willing to go through a non-jam to stake a claim to their jam start dominance. So much like you said, they'll probably start figuring out how to do knee-starts during power jams in such a way where their jammer can immediately go across the line and be lead jammer the second she hits the pivot line. I hope they do it every time, because then people will start realizing there is no possible counter to the play...except to start committing "strategical" penalties.
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Nonono, Gotham's Wall Street Traitors DID this already at ESS, with that exact outcome. The four wall just stands there, they are quite literally standing on the line when they get off their knees.
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| # ? Sep 16, 2011 03:55 |
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Dammit, London hosed up my bracket already.
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| # ? Sep 16, 2011 17:34 |
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Dominion posted:Dammit, London hosed up my bracket already. And hey, Steel City is doing the four wall in the back pre-jam positioning strategy and they've gotten lead (almost)every time they've done it, who saw that coming? downtimejesus fucked around with this message at Sep 16, 2011 around 18:15 |
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Dutchland forfeiting to Gotham is a loving travesty.
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| # ? Sep 16, 2011 19:10 |
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Wait, why did Dutchland forfeit? (edit: found it http://derbynewsnetwork.com/2011/09...feits_1e_gotham) Wow. Even if it does improve their end tournament ranking, so much of derby ranking is subjective that it seems a longterm bad decision. Not knowing anything about the personalities involved, I wonder how the Dutchland organization as a whole feels about this. If they came up with a decision democratically or Merv the Perv making an executive decision based on  statistics-based strategery. I don't know anyone on the team so I have absolutely no idea, just wondering who will deserve the boos that they will deservedly get whenever they find it pleasing to compete again. I do own a Dutchland Rollers t-shirt and I'm not sure whether I should now wear it feeling partial shame or, instead, crippling shame. Also, go CRG!! Scrimmaging despite being already eliminated  \/ that is a good point, not like they held a scheduling lottery today or anything Jiminy Krimpet fucked around with this message at Sep 16, 2011 around 20:00 |
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Dominion posted:Dutchland forfeiting to Gotham is a loving travesty. You goddamn right. Merv the Perv's justification, that it puts them in better position for the consolation bracket is just as pathetic. The brackets have been fixed for a couple weeks, why even bother showing up if you don't want to play.
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