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Wow that was a nice first post! I especially liked the extra information about the banked track and other leagues. Since I've gotten to see a men's game, I'd love to see a banked track game next and from what I gather, DNN sometimes does show banked track games sometimes. For anyone interested in joining a league, but not sure if there's one nearby, I'm going to reiterate WindyMan's point that there is a very good chance that there is some sort of league nearby. If little Ithaca can manage to get together two teams, where you live sure as hell probably has something. Even places like Cortland, Binghamton, and Oswego are just starting teams (upstate NY represent!)
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# ¿ Oct 14, 2010 06:48 |
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# ¿ Apr 18, 2024 00:26 |
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Dominion posted:Yeah, with CCRG the only real distinctions are Can Practice, Can Scrimmage, and Can Bout, and people were getting confused about what the functional difference was between a white star and a yellow star. I'd never heard of the color thing until it was mentioned in this thread. My league pretty much goes by the above. In other news, I thought I wasn't going to be able to go to nationals because of transportation issues, but one of my teammates was saying how she was having trouble finding people to drive with her to Chicago and long story short, I'm totally going to Chicago now. I am so incredibly excited and with any luck will be getting new skates also!
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# ¿ Oct 21, 2010 17:39 |
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Redfont posted:Anyone currently in a league and have any advice? I'm pretty new to skating in general, I'm just picking up a beginner's package and hoping to start practicing hardcore on my own to get better. Any trustworthy (and preferably super cheap) site recommendations would also be great. This could just be me, but in terms of equipment, I think it's worth spending a little extra money on good quality knee pads. I've always used the 187's and I think they're great. They are a little bit big and clunky though and I know I've seen people get smaller knee pads but I'm not sure what kind they are. If you ask around amongst the other skaters, you may find people selling used gear which tends to be much cheaper and might be good for starting out. I just got back from Chicago and I am so glad I went! Seeing those girls play live was absolutely amazing. I'll admit I was hoping Gotham would win it though. Usually I'm all for the underdog teams or teams that haven't won the championship yet, but I think I can partially blame the bias on being a part of a NY league. Plus the Gotham girls are so nice! It was a little sad seeing Suzy Hotrod play for Gotham for the last time and I wish I could have gotten to see Beyonslay play too.
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# ¿ Nov 8, 2010 16:19 |
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Redfont posted:Thanks for those links. I'm kind of stuck at that point where you know the basics but aren't actually good. But anyway, I'm hoping to fix that all pretty soon. Ah you sort of beat me to it. I'll preface this all by saying that I don't think I'm an expert on equipment so if somebody knows more about this kind of thing, they should definitely chime in! Anyway, for a starter package, everything you're getting is good for a rookie and it is a pretty good deal. The R3's are great starter skates. The first pair of skates I bought were R3's and I used them for two seasons (and I just finally got new skates this weekend!). If you are going to be playing derby though and you know you're going to stick with it, I'd recommend upgrading after a season as the nylon plates on the R3s are eventually going to limit you in terms of maneuverability (and I've actually seen em break before during a bout). Also, after two seasons on my R3s, they've seriously stretched and my feet are swimming in them. You definitely want your skates tight. For now though, R3s'll be just the right thing. As soon as you get them however, you're going to want to get new wheels and bearings because the stock wheels are crap (assuming they come with the same kind that came with mine). There's a huge variety of wheels to choose from so that might have to be a separate discussion, but as for bearings, I've always used the China Reds which are decent but not as expensive as say the Swiss Reds. As for the padding, the 187s are higher quality but they're also more expensive, which is probably why most of the padding in the package are Triple 8s but that should still be good. I've never used Triple 8s myself, but a lot of my teammates use Triple 8s and seem to like them pretty well. If you look at the pads on SinCitySkates, they rank them by what they prefer and they have a little more detail about each kind of pad. I don't know if there may also be a difference between what the guy players prefer and what the girl players prefer in terms of equipment. I don't see why there really would be, but it might be helpful to go to the Men's Derby Coalition site and get opinions from their community forum. Wow I think this kind of ended up being a wall of text but I hope it's helpful!
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# ¿ Nov 9, 2010 00:26 |
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Aericina posted:Those nylon plates will get you every time. You can't really expect any skate that has nylon plates (usually on the lower end of the spectrum) really hold up to more than hobbyist skating, if there is such a thing. That being said, bushings have always been a pain in the rear end for me as well. The bushings on my aluminum plated 265s are so non-squishy that I can barely keep the trucks on. Yeah all my teammates were telling me that I desperately needed to get skates with metal plates as I've outgrown my R3s in terms of skill. I actually just got the 265s with the Revenge plates which I'm incredibly excited about. Redfont it looks like you got all sorts of opinions on wheels which is awesome! I was going to say that it also really depends on what kind of floor you're skating on (which Aericina was mentioning), but if you are like me when I started, and had never skated at all before, I'd say wider squishier wheels might be better for learning. I started out on the blue fugitives with the orange pusher wheels which was okay on our polished concrete floor and those are pretty wide wheels. Right now I'm digging the Heartless wheels which are much much narrower. I have entirely the bright green Creepers right now which are a little stickier and then I got some of the red and yellow Creepers (don't remember the actual numbers right now but harder than the green ones) to mix and match with. Edit: Ah the yellow are Heartless Chasers which are 92a and the red are the Breakers which are 94a. Another skate shop my league really likes is Five Stride Skate Shop which opened relatively recently and is run by OMG and Bonnie Thunders from Gotham. They're also really nice and helpful about finding things that are right for you and they obviously also know their stuff. They really helped me in finding the right kind of skate boot and at the very least, it's another site you can browse through and look for stuff. scorpiobean fucked around with this message at 19:45 on Nov 9, 2010 |
# ¿ Nov 9, 2010 19:31 |
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Aericina posted:Well it looks like my input in this thread is going to change. Naptown had a recruitment workshop on the 18th and they picked up a few girls from the workshop. I went and was chosen to join the team. I'll probably be asking a few more gear questions from people who get more use out of their skates that I was accustomed to in the past. Yay congratulations! I know you said you were reffing earlier. Did you always want to be a skater and ended up reffing first or was this more of an evolution of interests?
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# ¿ Dec 23, 2010 06:13 |
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overthefalls posted:We just had our 2nd WFTDA-required application game on Saturday, too, and the application has been submitted. Knock on wood: Terminal City will be WFTDA very soon. Woo WFTDA apprentice leagues! I saw that WindyMan mentioned the exhibition bout between Gotham and the LA Derby Dolls, but it looks like the date for that is February 26th, and I'm like 95% sure that DNN is going to cover it. (Sorry if all of this is old news, I have the memory of a goldfish) I am so excited to see this bout though. As for the JamCity game, I got to try it out at nationals as they had a booth to demo it and it seemed super cool, although I think it would take me a bit to get used to the controls. Sidenote and a highlight of my derby career so far: drinking beer with Bonnie Thunders and trying to get the bar to get the JamCity game upon learning that they had a Wii and they regularly hold Wii bowling tournaments.
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# ¿ Jan 25, 2011 18:56 |
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Redfont posted:Sweet, thanks for the links. There's supposed to be a local match here tomorrow, I'm planning on trying to drag my family out to watch it, at least my brother who's on board, as long as the baby doesn't decide she wants to be difficult that day. Hopefully it's as good as the one I stopped by in Florida. Oops, I see you just responded to people, but I was gonna say that for a ref in training, being a nonskating official would probably be the best thing for you to get into before you start actually reffing. overthefalls just listed a bunch of NSO positions, but the nice thing about those positions is that they're usually pretty easy to learn and do even by people who don't skate and it'll keep you pretty close to the action so you can see how the refs work and how they call and so on. I'm not a ref myself so I don't know for sure but for you as a ref in training, I'd say you should particularly look to do penalty tracking. But also as overthefalls said, there should be plenty to volunteer for at a bout in general.
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# ¿ Feb 1, 2011 00:32 |
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Totally TWISTED posted:Re: The Name Registry If someone has a name you want, it's probably not a bad idea to do a little research and see if the skater is still actually active. One huge problem I see with the registry so far is how it seems like it would be really hard to clear out the skaters who don't skate anymore unless the skater themselves informed the registry that their name was up for grabs. Anyway, one of the girls on my league was able to get a name that was already taken because she contacted the girl who had it and found out she wasn't skating anymore and the girl agreed to let her have the name.
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# ¿ Feb 17, 2011 07:23 |
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Dominion posted:For tryouts, it's more important to watch people skate for two minutes than it is to use strategic jam calls or clock management. Thirding this. It's good endurance, though sometimes we have jammers make a small motion like they're calling off the jam to denote that they know when they should call it off. Sometimes we do ten minute megajams with people in a line to go in. If somebody gets called off for a penalty or gets tired they can go out and the next person goes in. If the person coming off is the jammer or pivot, well let's say it's a good way to get people jamming or pivoting when they don't normally.
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# ¿ Mar 8, 2011 21:25 |
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Let me break up strategy chat with....SOCK DERBY Apparently it was a very wet day and the venue was too damp to skate, but the bout went on anyway! We actually did this for practice tonight because we found out our new warehouse space was leaky! It was really a lot of fun and kind of a nice way to slow it down and really think about what we were doing strategy-wise.
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# ¿ Mar 11, 2011 04:02 |
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Dominion posted:Derby elitism in this thread. Do you do OSDA stuff? I'm genuinely curious because I don't know much about OSDA and I'm even inspired to look up the OSDA ruleset. Edit: Pivots can score points while still being a Pivot?
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# ¿ Apr 6, 2011 20:09 |
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ODC posted:EDIT: ^^^^ I'll have to see if there's any OSDA teams in my area because I think I need to see some of this stuff to get a better grasp of it (I'm a pretty visual person). Another moment for me was also the fact that BACKBLOCKING is allowed (if done a certain way much like most blocking). Mostly because it's such a huge no-no under WFTDA rules. As for jam starts, can jammers line up as close to the pack as they want to? That was kind of my impression with the rules, that regular blockers could be anywhere behind the pivots and in front of the jammers.
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# ¿ Apr 6, 2011 22:25 |
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Firstly, I think the term cougaring is hilarious. Secondly, depending on when someone cougars, it can be a pretty risky move, especially if the score is close as you are pretty much free points for the taking but of course, that's still better than having that player in the box as a jammer. I mean it's not like there aren't any consequences for poodling, like other people were saying. vv I'm pretty interested in seeing how the no minors ruleset goes though. Here's something to lighten the mood a little bit, I don't think it's been posted here before and I think it's pretty entertaining. Derby Definitions Also, out of curiousity, does anyone here have experience with rostering players?
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# ¿ May 28, 2011 21:49 |
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downtimejesus posted:I'm in Utica, but I went to Rochester to watch their doubleheader this weekend. The Quadfathers are the unofficial bro squad of Central New York Roller Derby though(based in Rome, NY though we all live in Utica anyway, ), not the Utica Rollergirls, so I don't really watch them much. I'm also in upstate New York! Ithaca! I think the SufferJets are playing Roc City soon, which should be a good game!
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# ¿ Jul 25, 2011 20:36 |
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downtimejesus posted:We have a doubleheader this Saturday, CNYRD home team championships and Quadfathers vs Capital District Trauma Authority, doors at 4:30, first whistle at 5:30, so if you're not doing anything, stop by! (and I'm probably jamming first, gently caress me) Oh man I wish I could. I'll be at Triple-D in Oz this weekend but just as a bench coach. I'd be playing but they have a ten maximum public bout requirement for skaters and I'm way over.
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# ¿ Jul 26, 2011 21:02 |
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downtimejesus posted:Trip report from last weekend: Scored 79 points, got MVP. Yay congratulations! Especially scoring 79 points I'll have to ask Lizy Longshanks how it was, I'm super fascinated by men's derby but haven't gotten to see much of it yet!
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# ¿ Aug 18, 2011 20:00 |
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downtimejesus posted:So I missed this weekend's game (funeral) and am going to miss next month's game(wedding), so the offseason started last week for me. It kinda sucks going from a bout every other week to nothing for eight months. Basically the offseason blows. No offseason training? Is it a space issue? Cause that's usually what catches us on the offseason. (Though we do still train) Or is it that there aren't any games?
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# ¿ Aug 22, 2011 18:48 |
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WindyMan posted:I just posted something important (to me) on my blog. I wonder why derby "culture" is just as much having fun and partying as it is about playing the game, even though in any other sport, it's almost all about playing to win. I'd like to know what you guys think about this. Your post really rubbed me the wrong way I'll admit. What I got from it was that you can only be having fun if you're winning, and if you're having fun and not winning, then you aren't serious and you don't care about the sport. If every skater out there was out there purely for the party, why would they pour in hours and hours into practices and committees and building and running their own goddamn league on top of work and school and family. These girls don't have the luxury of focusing their entire lives on derby, unlike those professional athletes that most of your examples consisted of, who train their entire lives and still train to win. Because that is THEIR JOB. I can't begrudge Texas their attitude after the tournament. In my experience, when I play, my team always wants to win of course! Sometimes if we lose, we are disappointed! Sometimes we lose, and dammit the game was still fun and usually those are games where we did work our asses off and at the same time we're usually learning a lot! If I feel like we lost because my team didn't put 110% out there, then yeah I'm going to be disappointed. You talk about derby culture being about 'fun and partying,' and while that's true to an extent, I see the 'fun and partying' as a facet of what I would consider 'derby sisterhood.' Because we're all pouring the same blood, sweat, and tears on the track and we all have to make the same sacrifices in order to do so. Yeah there's the parties and the fun, and there are instances where derby girls will come together to help another. Like Tequila Mockingbird. Like a skater in a nearby league who died from complications from childbirth. Why derby has this while (in my opinion), no other sport does, I'm not really sure. Maybe it's the afterparties since we get to know the people we've been playing against. I'm not convinced I really articulated my point very well but I guess what I'm trying to say is that having fun and enjoying the social aspect of derby doesn't mean a skater isn't serious and doesn't care about the sport at the same time.
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# ¿ Sep 2, 2011 07:56 |
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Sorry about the double post y'all, I wanted to ask a question and keep it separate from my semi-coherent ramblings above. NY derby goons, any of y'all going to the Empire Skate Showdown in Long Island this weekend? Also in other news, my league got its full WFTDA status today! Yay!
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# ¿ Sep 2, 2011 08:16 |
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Ms. Happiness posted:Are there any websites that go over which skates/wheels/bearings, etc. are best for derby? I'm a newb that's trying to sort through everything. I don't know how much information you're looking for, but here are a few websites that sell stuff specifically for derby. Sin City Skates Five Stride Skate Shop I'm sure people here would be glad to offer personal opinions too. (I started out on Riedell R3s and Fugitive wheels)
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# ¿ Sep 13, 2011 00:14 |
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Jiminy Krimpet posted:Maine still coming out of it looking better than Dutchland. Seriously. Maine is going to learn so much from this while Dutchland stagnates (with the added bonus of revile from the derby community) Ninja edit: Haha Dutchland's already getting it pretty hard on Facebook. I wonder if the decision was just the coach or whether it was the entire team that agreed to this "strategy"
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# ¿ Sep 16, 2011 22:12 |
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As a short answer to your question "Do the expensive boots fit better and allow for more agility?" I would say yes. For more explanation, the boots are made out of different materials I think. I got R3s first and didn't know any better so I got them a bit big anyway (I didn't know that it's better to get skates a size down so they're snug) and then the boot stretched out even more which meant I was wearing like two pairs of socks and my feet were still swimming in the boot. I got my current pair of skates (265s) the right size and they haven't stretched out as much (thankfully), but it was a huge difference from the R3s because I didn't even realize how much I was adjusting for my feet sliding around in my old skates and it was an extra layer to worry about (making sure the foot was okay in the skate and then making sure the skate was okay on the ground). I know the better boots really conform to the foot and then don't stretch out at all so basically your skates are doing exactly what your feet are doing which translates to better agility more easily. However, as a newb, this might not be so much of a concern while you're learning how to skate as there's a lot more to worry about before the little details like that.
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# ¿ Sep 21, 2011 18:01 |
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Holy poo poo, I hope you guys all watched Rose City and Bay Area because that was an amazing game.
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# ¿ Sep 24, 2011 03:38 |
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Dominion posted:That guy is Dumptruck and he rules. I want my phone ringer to be him saying POWER JAM. Oh my god this would be the best thing ever. On a weird note, did anybody see the CSI episode that was about roller derby? The derby announcer in that episode sounded just like Dumptruck. Somebody was doing their research. I missed the Rocky/Oly game which made me really sad. There are archives though, right?
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# ¿ Sep 30, 2011 18:05 |
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I ended up going to the World Cup! Yeah everything pretty much went how everyone expected (although I really thought Canada was going to put up more points) But the atmosphere was incredible! Toronto had a thing where one could volunteer for one day and get a ticket for another, so I managed to get a ticket for Saturday and volunteered on Sunday. I lucked out even more and ended up being a 'rinkside crowd management' volunteer so I was at the edge of the crash zone for the last few world cup games on Sunday making sure that people didn't wander into the crash zone and didn't clog up traffic lanes. I am still incredibly stoked from the weekend and had so much fun. If I had to complain about one thing, it was that it was incredibly obvious that the hosts were really underprepared for the number of people that were there, as well as the people who were selling merch for the individual teams. They ran out of programs really fast and many of the teams sold out of their t-shirts incredibly quickly. I really wanted to get a Team Ireland shirt but I heard they sold out really quickly. The Team USA merch sold out twice. I did manage to get shirts for USA, Germany and Scotland though. I do wish the games were a lot closer (ha) but it was a hell of an experience.
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# ¿ Dec 5, 2011 20:09 |
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downtimejesus posted:So our practice space burned down last night. That really, really sucks I hope you guys have somewhere to go? If not yet, I hope you're able to find another one quick and that the new space search isn't a pain in the rear end like it can be sometimes.
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# ¿ Feb 9, 2012 18:18 |
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Totally TWISTED posted:I don't personally play, but being around it I'll comment with my opinion. I think it also depends on how big your league is as well. You may have the kind of choice that Twisted's talking about if you're in a decently sized league, or maybe you'll end up in a tiny league with only one team. Besides practices and bouts, there's also committee work since leagues tend to be skater run. Maybe if you're in a smaller league, each skater may have to take on more committee work in order to keep the league going. All in all, you may end up having to devote more time to derby than it appears on the surface and I think that's something that's not immediately obvious to new skaters. However, this isn't meant to scare you off from derby. I think it might depend on the league you join how much is expected of you outside of practices and bouts. It's possible to balance life and derby, but just make sure you check in with yourself once in awhile to make sure the life part isn't suffering because of derby. Personally, I'm a grad student trying to work on my PhD and every now and then I have to think about my work and about derby and consider if my work is suffering because of it and adjust accordingly. (Currently I'm trying to lessen some of my derby duties in order to put more focus on my research. Being a captain and committee chair last season was not conducive to science )
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# ¿ Mar 16, 2012 03:35 |
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Mr. Powers posted:My league has actually dropped the twoevils requirement. Your choices are to use your legal name, use a registered twoevils name, or use a name that had no high similarities on twoevils at the time that you take it. Yeah I've got a lot of respect for the girls who are running the list because it's not a trivial task, but like you said, there has to be a way to make it more efficient. I feel bad for the skaters trying to figure out names currently because of the trouble it is to get registered. And who knows how many of the skaters on the list aren't active anymore. scorpiobean fucked around with this message at 01:34 on Mar 27, 2012 |
# ¿ Mar 27, 2012 01:32 |
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Sharks Below posted:You totally didn't at all it just occurred to me after reading your post that I posted about nothing at all really! Yay! This is exactly why I like derby. Routine, fun exercise! If it makes you feel any better, Sharks, I didn't know how to skate either when I started. It may mean you have to work a little harder to learn but it's totally worth it if you stick with it. Here's my advice: Get the rest of the gear used if you need to, but I think it's worth it to splurge on a good set of knee pads. (Unless you can find a gently used, good set)
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# ¿ Apr 14, 2012 17:54 |
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Mr. Powers posted:stuff I'm sorry to hear that Mr. Powers! Nothing makes me angrier than people disrespecting the refs especially given how hard your jobs are. I honestly believe that good refs are an integral part of any good league because so many games are won or lost because of penalties (and having good refs around practices and scrimmages to ensure the players are playing clean is such an advantage to a league). As for a player disrespecting a ref during a bout, if I remember correctly, you could call majors or kick a player out for disrespecting the refs right? There really should be a way to kick fans out for abusing refs too and it sucks that your league didn't support you in that. Anyway, if your league skaters play like douchebags and don't treat their own members or members from other leagues properly, it will eventually catch up to them in a big way (hopefully). I think a break from derby is needed every once in awhile so I'd enjoy it (and perhaps if you decide to keep with it, you could find a league that appreciates you)
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# ¿ Apr 15, 2012 02:17 |
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HPL posted:I was just thinking yesterday that in the next few years, we're going to see some incredible things in derby. The first generation of girls that grew up playing organized girls hockey are becoming adults, so as we see some of that pool of talent move over to roller derby, we'll start to see a big jump in speed, agility and toughness on the track. I already see it when I watch men's roller derby. You've got guys that have only spent a year or two on roller skates but already are juking and burning up the track better than the average female skater with twice the experience on roller skates because the guys have been on ice skates or inline skates all their lives. I think you can already see it on the women's side from the girls who've played hockey all their lives. It's definitely true in our league. All the girls who end up being amazing skaters even in their very first season have always been hockey players growing up (and even sometimes they play hockey AND derby) I can't wait until the first generation of Junior Derby girls start joining the big girls. I think it's already started happening in some leagues, but I think the first massive wave is just coming up, due to more Junior leagues around. It's really going to up the quality of play I think. I know that in our Junior league, there's some girls who are currently around 14 years old who I wish we could recruit now because they're really good, even as 14 year olds. We even have a 10 year old who's pretty amazing now and she's going to be unbelievable when she's old enough to join an adult league. I love coaching Junior girls
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# ¿ Apr 30, 2012 08:56 |
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downtimejesus posted:Ithaca is starting/has a men's team, it's probably your closest bet for playing. I rollerbladed for a long rear end time, it took me like, two weeks to switch to quads. A lot of our ice hockey guys took around the same time. Yeah I can pass on the men's contact info if you're interested in playing!
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# ¿ May 1, 2012 21:58 |
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downtimejesus posted:derby stance We always tell our Juniors to keep their nose, knees and toes in a line (and we tell our adult players to keep their headlights up and pointed where you want to go haha). Like what was mentioned before, you pretty much want to be low but with your head and upper body up and looking around. Sometimes it's hard to know how you're skating though, so I'd recommend getting somebody to take a picture of you skating or video or something. I basically skated all my first season bending forward, and I really had no idea it was that bad until I saw a picture of myself playing in a bout and perpetually looking like I was about to fall on my face. I worked extra hard on proper derby stance after that.
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# ¿ May 1, 2012 23:05 |
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Good thing: We won our game against Oz whom we really wanted to beat. Bad thing: I went and broke my goddamn hand Worse thing: I, a right handed person, broke my right hand. This is gonna be an interesting few weeks
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# ¿ May 20, 2012 09:29 |
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It's not like whoever gets knocked out of bounds has to be forced too far back. If the blocker gets far enough away from the pack, whoever got knocked out of bounds can return in front of her without any penalty.WFTDA posted:A skater may not return in bounds in front of the skater who blocked her out of bounds, except under the following circumstances where no penalty is to be issued: I'm not sure about jammer on jammer, but it doesn't seem advantageous for a jammer to go backwards just to force the other backwards. I don't know what the situation was for Bay Area/Rat City. Anyway, I think it's a pretty valid strategy to keep the jammer in the pack and if the jammer's teammates are aware enough, there are plenty of things to combat that.
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# ¿ Jun 26, 2012 05:21 |
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I can't wait to see what the new ruleset turns out to be besides no minors. And I hope that it fixes some of the issues. Speaking of (sorta), is anybody else seeing leagues pop up using the usars ruleset? I can think of at least one league who just split off and adopted it. I'm not familiar with it but as someone explained it to me, it sounds a lot like banked track rules. Also our little junior league participated in their first tournament and ended up 3-1 despite being outnumbered by the other teams and it being their first time playing another team at all. As a coach, I'm so proud of them
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# ¿ Aug 15, 2012 07:08 |
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I'm at easterns too. London and Philly I was really rooting for the upset but nonetheless london is playing drat well. I hope they go to nationals!
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# ¿ Sep 29, 2012 23:26 |
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# ¿ Apr 18, 2024 00:26 |
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downtimejesus posted:Yes, that was me with the big obnoxious Georgia W. Tush head during the Montreal games. Dude, that was hilarious and awesome! I seem to remember an official timeout with the head and the Hoff being raised up and down with the official's arms. I was one of the assholes with the whiteboards!
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# ¿ Oct 3, 2012 06:26 |