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IanTheM posted:yeah i read the thing he wrote about it before, but it just seemed a lot more like meditation more than a musical statement? it's a crucial musical statemt because it is related to the whokle postmodern concept of an object in context. not some "Skecthing" of reality or w/e. uugh
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i dont know. i dont really know anything.
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ehhhhhhnnnnnn posted:i...can't...uggh
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IanTheM posted:yeah but the statement that started this lovely flame war is that i don't like cage artistically, or at least aesthetically. i have no problem with non traditional instrumentation, but i don't believe he exploits it very musically. what cage seems to be doing in both pieces, which is what in my opinion makes them so similar, is that to create something other than just random noises he anchors himself in musical notation. both pieces utilize non-traditional instrumentation (or use the lack of anything, as an instrument), but use traditional musical notation to organize them. it'd have been much harder for cage to make the statements he wanted to if he wasn't rebelling against something, and just making field recordings. flame war? what's the matter with you? you said his "artistic product is poo poo" which i mean, it's certainly not makin me interested to hear more about what you think about electroacoustic composers. the whole point f the thing is to take something traditionally non-musical and make them musical and if you look up the definition of music it is "organized sound" and guys like cage and varese (who isn't american, but did most of his important work here) completely bitch-slapped western music in general with those ideas. nobody was really doing what cage was doing and if you can't appreciate the aesthetic then ok but i feel bad 4 you. varese started a drat riot with hyperprism because it polarized the audience. a lot of people felt it wasn't "music" which is basically what you're sayin right now about cage! you gonna hate on ligeti next too? :P
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big business sloth posted:cage wrote a 4 and a half song of silence and a 639 year long song that's being played right now, dude owns 'as slow as possible' is so rad
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Genesis P-Ownage posted:'as slow as possible' is so rad i laugh every time i imagine that somewhere some organ is just obnoxiously blaring a single chord for years on end e: lol http://www.john-cage.halberstadt.de...=cdundtoene&l=e
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oOHZvAYmxk watch that.
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IM DAY DAY IRL posted:so did you get permission for this or not?
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cause if you didn't that's hosed up imo
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Carl FTWinslow posted:cause if you didn't that's hosed up imo art deserves to be free
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Carl FTWinslow posted:so did you get permission for this or not? he didnt
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that is not a victimless crime. there is one victim and it is Frailboy.
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i emailed him to tell him his pic mightve been used without permission and aol told me the address didnt exist anymore so terry didnt do squat
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in my memory that pic had their dicks hanging out
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6x-JVXkd8SQ
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Threatis posted:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oOHZvAYmxk listen to the man
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no i changed my mind watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rODhOKhhsU
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somehow i feel disappointed that 'black power metal' isnt cooler than this
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Handen posted:what
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTqSs9TO9tI
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dead cowboy posted:Grape Four Loko was the drink of choice for a friend of mine who passed away earlier this year(not loko related). We bought a couple of cases for his wake and passed them around to everyone. It was actually pretty awesome seeing his mom pour out a can on the curb for him. post phizzest moms
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quote:(not loko related)
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IanTheM posted:anyway, speaking of american composers i was raised pretty polish/oldschool when it comes to composers, what'd you think's worth listening to/starting with when it comes to the american ones? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4zW...ex=0&playnext=1
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Genesis P-Ownage posted:the whole point f the thing is to take something traditionally non-musical and make them musical and if you look up the definition of music it is "organized sound" and guys like cage and varese (who isn't american, but did most of his important work here) completely bitch-slapped western music in general with those ideas. this is the point, the entire deal was about loving around with definitions, i never tried to undermine that nor say that historically it wasn't important. can't i respect someone, but not like them? i'm just not gonna spend time listening to any of the music he made.
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IanTheM posted:this is the point, the entire deal was about loving around with definitions, i never tried to undermine that nor say that historically it wasn't important. can't i respect someone, but not like them? i'm just not gonna spend time listening to any of the music he made. based on posts like IanTheM posted:ya later on i read that he had some pieces that were just a sentence or something, and i watched some other 'improvisation' where he samples a pinecone once. it seems more like you are kind off writing of his music as unlistenable (even if you are down with the concept) by focusing on the more absurd/extreme things he's done but his work is pretty diverse.
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IanTheM posted:this is the point, the entire deal was about loving around with definitions, i never tried to undermine that nor say that historically it wasn't important. can't i respect someone, but not like them? i'm just not gonna spend time listening to any of the music he made. don't be so mad buddy, i'm just trying to understand really why you're not down, but you haven't given a reason that's been more than 'i don't like the sound of a cactus and steam kettle' the one funkcroquet posted is really good btw
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Slim Pickens posted:this was in the old thread, but i'm glad it's here too
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Happier days . . . . .  
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4 golden canbabies
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Haunted Antfarm posted:ownzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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Threatis posted:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oOHZvAYmxk im crying right now. literally crying.
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Earwicker posted:it seems more like you are kind off writing of his music as unlistenable (even if you are down with the concept) by focusing on the more absurd/extreme things he's done but his work is pretty diverse. i can understand that, but listen to the prepared piano sonatas or the quartet stuff and without focussing on the theories and it mostly sounds like weak compositions. i'm just trying to say the performance aspect of it is boring, and cage is just a stepping stone.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-fOL0zdjUs
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sick snipe cf
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*montage of daytrip /w azn dude and a volleyball (with handprint face, natch)*
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