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DariusLikewise posted:MTS home services are just as bad here for pricing and service wise for the most part. They raise their prices at the same time everyone else does and their fibre offerings are ludicrous($140.00 a month for 100/15). MTS is great for keeping our cell phones semi-cheap and thats about it. I was in Brandon, where we had Westman. Gave great local competition to MTS. I was on...60/40 I think, no caps, for $70 a month, and this was 4-5 years ago now. Plus Westman actually fixed their poo poo when it broke, unlike Eastlink.
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senae posted:I'm with Eastlink in Halifax stuck on the 20/2 plan because they won't tell me what my usage is. Like, I know I probably use over 250/month, but I've got no idea how much more because their traffic monitoring tools apparently don't work if you don't have a cap. The biggest reason I even went with 20, when I was with my personal internet plan rather than the current shared one, was the absence of a cap. Internet usage caps seem to be one of the least relevant payment measures out there, in general, related to the costs of actually providing a service. deepshock fucked around with this message at 18:13 on Jul 10, 2015 |
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http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/crtc-says-big-telecoms-must-share-high-speed-networks-with-competitors-1.3163132 Looks like ISPs will now have to have agreements with third party internet providers for fiber as well now.
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Coxswain Balls posted:http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/crtc-says-big-telecoms-must-share-high-speed-networks-with-competitors-1.3163132 They'll probably just do what they're doing with higher tiers of cable in Ontario, price the TPIA so far out they're not remotely competitive to incumbent prices.
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Coxswain Balls posted:http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/crtc-says-big-telecoms-must-share-high-speed-networks-with-competitors-1.3163132 Either way, I'd happily pay a bit of a premium for unmetered, full speed FTH from Teksavvy and just to not have to deal with Telus.
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Not mentioned in that article is the phasing out of UNE (Unbundled Network Element) lines which allows smaller ISPs to use their own DSLAMS/Phone Switches in Bell co-locations. The phase out is to start in 3+ years and there has to be 12 month notice before the cutoff date.
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The disaggregated part of the ruling is some incredible dancing around the elephant in the room by the CRTC. Encourage the 3rd parties to build out their own infrastructure instead of using the Bell fibre subsidized by tax dollars? Until someone in the government grows a pair and proposes to nationalize/spin off the DSLAM/POP -> consumer part of the infrastructure the market is going to continue to be Bell and Rogers easily keeping the third parties bottled up into their 10% of the market. Very few have the capital, access, and ability to roll out last mile services and even if they did it's not something we'd want anyways. 50+ companies duplicating infrastructure is silly.
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It'll be interesting to see how the disaggregation actually ends up - ahsspi port in each CO, or something like a regional datacentre linking the area COs. And then the CBB billing on top of that. I'm not even sure if Bell knows how it'll be done internally. But you know they'll offer a MPLS service linking them together, so it looks exactly the same as before, just costing another 200% than before. UNE is really just moot now days, while it was being used in v high density situations (downtown TO), there were lots of problems with it - mostly related to servicing the circuits and gear. The advent of remotes killed that business a long time ago.
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unknown posted:It'll be interesting to see how the disaggregation actually ends up - ahsspi port in each CO, or something like a regional datacentre linking the area COs. And then the CBB billing on top of that. I'm not even sure if Bell knows how it'll be done internally. But you know they'll offer a MPLS service linking them together, so it looks exactly the same as before, just costing another 200% than before. UNE is probably moot in Toronto, but in smaller cities where Bell and other big Telcos are not focusing on FTTP, it is still somewhat relevant. Fortunately for the ISP I work at we're rolling out our own fibre, but it sucks for the other smaller ISPs that do not have the capital to do so.
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In Burlington, ON: Bell's actually still trying to sort out my profile properly. Apparently some mixups here and there. The poor tech that came over today to validate the equipment was trying all kinds of profiles and at one point had me at 125Mbit down, 1Gbit up, heh. I'm supposed to have ~1Gbit down, 100Mbit up. Apparently it should be sorted out tomorrow, most likely.
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Kachunkachunk posted:In Burlington, ON: Were you able to get it for anything less than the full $150/mo list price? Which area of Burlington?
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drat that'as fast. I'm in Burlington as well and I'd be torn between getting speeds like that and my pure hatred of Bell. I swore I'd never give them another dime... Jealous regardless.
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spoof posted:Were you able to get it for anything less than the full $150/mo list price? Which area of Burlington? I doubt they're discounting much, especially if the development has zero traditional copper service, absolutely zero competition until the fibre sharing CRTC is forcing them to do takes effect.
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Oh I don't disagree. Just wondering if they're knocking off anything for signing a contract, or any other reason.
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I didn't try to get it for anything less, quite honestly. I would suspect (since we're used to lovely news here) that the Fibe promotions (3-6 months discounted or free) probably won't apply to gig, but I could be wrong. This is a fairly new condo development on Appleby and Upper Middle with FTTH. Fibe 50/50 with the $30 unlimited addon was $129 a month so for $20 more you can get 1Gbit/100Mbit (it's always unlimited). The tech and line easily reaches 1Gbit synchronous (and probably more), but that's just not being offered. You could probably convince the tech to get that going for you but who knows if it sticks for long. Also most/all consumer routers at the moment will not route at gigabit rates. I ended up with an Ubiquiti EdgeRouter Lite to handle the traffic at line rate - it's $200 less than the consumer routers available but definitely more complex to set up. Mikrotik is the other brand folks head toward. Kachunkachunk fucked around with this message at 05:55 on Aug 21, 2015 |
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Bell has 950/100/unlimited service to my new building. Why do I get the feeling it's powered by the souls of the damned?
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Shumagorath posted:Bell has 950/100/unlimited service to my new building. Why do I get the feeling it's powered by the souls of the damned? Cost: Your soul
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Shumagorath posted:Bell has 950/100/unlimited service to my new building. Why do I get the feeling it's powered by the souls of the damned? If you put your head on the trunk line and listen, you can hear their screams of anguish.
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Is point to point wireless reliable? We can get Bell where I am, but it's like 6 megs max and that's $70/month for unlimited. A new provider coming soon is offering 30 for around the same price.
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Migishu posted:Cost: Your soul
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Shumagorath posted:And control of the router, apparently. It's a condo but if they have a wireless device or want me to power-cycle it for troubleshooting it has to be in my suite, right? No way in hell am I using an all-in-one modem + router the ISP can manage. Is putting my own router in fairly straightforward? If you have a router that supports VLAN tagging on the WAN port you don't have to use the Bell CPE. Just plug your router of choice into the Ethernet at the demark and tag the port appropriately. Of course this won't work without a bunch more hackery if you have their TV service as well, but for internet only it's straightforward. I don't remember the VLAN off the top of my head but a quick search of the DSLreports forums should turn it up.
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This is probably the most comprehensive guide to ditching your piece of poo poo Bell hardware, includes TV setup too, if that's your thing. http://blog.ngpixel.com/post/104449747538/how-to-bypass-bell-fibe-hub-and-use-your-own-router
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Aphrodite posted:Is point to point wireless reliable? It can be, it depends on where you are, what kind of infrastructure the provider has, and how much they oversell their network.
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Thanks to you both. I'm almost surely not going to get TV since some combination of OTA/Netflix/XBox/BD/ will be more than I have time to watch already.edit: kinda strange that the technician can only show up after dark and has to sacrifice a goat Shumagorath fucked around with this message at 22:08 on Aug 27, 2015 |
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It's simple enough to just stick their router on the end in bridged mode - remove the PPPoE settings (put in dummy info) and enter that into your own router instead. Turn off wireless on the bridged device while you're at it, though. You really could go directly to the OTN hardware using the posted guide and VLAN tagging, but it's potentially not really worth the effort, IMO. The hardest part is actually sourcing a router that will successfully route at line rates. That right there is incentive to consider using the Bell-provided router unless you can source something yourself. I could recommend an Ubiquiti EdgeRouter Lite, or a sub-$300 Mikrotik router (both for $100-130 about), or you can spend $300 on a consumer router advertised for approximately gigabit and not quite get line rates (but close to it). The upside of the consumer stuff is that they have additional applications/features and they're way easier to set up. They all for whatever reason look like freakish Lamborghini/spider/insect hybrids for some reason, though. Lastly, don't assume you could take a router and throw Tomato, DD-WRT or whatever else on them and achieve line speed routing still - the hardware offload/acceleration functionality offered by the MIPS processor(s) is lost when going to third-party firmware, so unless you find a way to turn it back on (maybe possible on DD-WRT), you'll get ~150Mbit speeds only. Edit: Might be more than 150, to be fair - but nowhere near 500 or a gig. Kachunkachunk fucked around with this message at 22:30 on Aug 27, 2015 |
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Kachunkachunk posted:It's simple enough to just stick their router on the end in bridged mode - remove the PPPoE settings (put in dummy info) and enter that into your own router instead. Turn off wireless on the bridged device while you're at it, though. Unless they've fixed the new Home Hub devices, PPPoE passthrough (what you're suggesting) is a pile of poo poo, you're better off spending time and money configuring a proper router, even if you have to buy a small x86 PC or appliance. John Capslocke fucked around with this message at 23:06 on Aug 27, 2015 |
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Kachunkachunk posted:It's simple enough to just stick their router on the end in bridged mode - remove the PPPoE settings (put in dummy info) and enter that into your own router instead. Turn off wireless on the bridged device while you're at it, though. I typically connect the router into a switch anyway so that rebooting it doesn't kill the LAN. Does that offload any work to give it more time for routing vs. switching? Shumagorath fucked around with this message at 02:18 on Aug 28, 2015 |
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No matter the router it's worth a check on smallnetbuilder to see what kind of WAN throughput it's capable of. Those guys review consumer routers with a thoroughness I've never seen elsewhere
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37th Chamber posted:Unless they've fixed the new Home Hub devices, PPPoE passthrough (what you're suggesting) is a pile of poo poo, you're better off spending time and money configuring a proper router, even if you have to buy a small x86 PC or appliance. The Connection Hub had a WRT1900AC doing PPPoE through it at 50/50, and now the Home Hub 1000 at ~960 has an EdgeRouter Lite doing PPPoE through it. In both cases, I see subscriber rates, low latency (4ms for speed tests and to whatever resolves at Google.ca), and no weird clamping/segmentation issues. I don't know what kind of problems people are apparently hitting, but if it helps, I don't have Fibe TV to worry about. I could take a guess and suggest that something some people have failed to consider is if their device doing PPPoE for whatever reason isn't accelerating or offloading PPPoE traffic - you'll get lovely performance. But if they're going on the argument that pulling the connection hub somehow helped, it would still be more guesses on my part as to why. One would be the fact that VLAN offloading is another acceleration you have to enable, but maybe that was enabled by default for them. Enabling offloading was a manual step I had to take on my EdgeRouter Lite (via CLI), or I would otherwise max out CPU on the router and get ~150-250 or so. Shumagorath posted:Thanks for the extra info. I was going to get the top-end Linksys and stick with stock firmware since I've never had a bad router from them and they're not quite as far into the Dark Eldar aesthetics. I'll take a small drop in line speeds over Bell managing my router as long as the thing isn't rebooting every hour from getting overwhelmed (hello Belkin Pre-N and BitTorrent circa 2005). Edit: Also I should mention that the smallnetbuilder pages might underrate routers here and there. I don't know why or how, but I presume it's to do with them having a more fleshed out configuration (with more processing going on), than a basic new setup. Kachunkachunk fucked around with this message at 15:19 on Aug 28, 2015 |
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Yeah after reviewing SNB it looks like I'm going to stick with Netgear for another generation (R7000 in particular). I've already got an older N router in the basement of a house and it gets to the top floor if I have my laptop at the right 90º angle. My phone radio is a write-off though and I ended up putting two TVs on Powerline so the Netflix quality would be more consistent. Edit: Wait, the R7000 doesn't appear to have VLAN...? SNB's chart might just be wrong. Shumagorath fucked around with this message at 16:42 on Aug 28, 2015 |
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This KB is apparently for setting up IPTV in Malaysia and Singapore, but it does mention VLAN support: http://kb.netgear.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/25724
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It's up there. That one, an Asus Batman router or an Airport are usually among the recommendations. The R7000 supports DD-WRT, but caps out at 360Mbit you happen to get faster than that.
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You guys make me all jealous. I'm in Edmonton, AB and have to pay Telus loving $120/month for 50/10/unlimited. Can we just catch up with the rest of the world on internet speeds and pricing? Please?
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Mantle posted:Does the cap only apply to the routing function or is it not capable of true gigabit on the LAN? It appears to be hardware since it only gets 450 on stock. http://dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/DD-WRT_on_R7000 I probably should have linked that the first time. ChubbyThePhat posted:You guys make me all jealous. I'm in Edmonton, AB and have to pay Telus loving $120/month for 50/10/unlimited. Can we just catch up with the rest of the world on internet speeds and pricing? Please? I'm at $70 for 6/.8/Unlimited, it can get way worse. There's a period before that 8.
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Shumagorath posted:What the gently caress? That site rated it as the highest WAN to LAN throughput they'd ever seen. I am calling bullshit on the DD-WRT wiki numbers. John Capslocke fucked around with this message at 01:24 on Aug 29, 2015 |
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Deathreaper posted:any ideas what kind of routing speed you can expect on a Linksys WRT-1900AC? Oddly higher outbound than inbound?
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